Is it acceptable for one owner assist another in trade negotiations? (2 Viewers)

[BigTex]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

 

[Neo]

Why not? Opinions are like #######s....everybody has one .

 

[Enforcer]

I've been in this hobby too long. Looks like its time to get out.

 

[BigTex]

I've been in this hobby too long. Looks like its time to get out.

 

[mggoilers]

I have owners bounce trades off me all the time, and giving an opinion is not out of bounds like ...

You are giving too much

Ask for more

If you include Player X, then you could probably get it done

I don't know, and I don't care is also a good response.

 

[BigTex]

I have owners bounce trades off me all the time, and giving an opinion is not out of bounds like ...

You are giving too much

Ask for more

If you include Player X, then you could probably get it done

I don't know, and I don't care is also a good response.

These two is what I've been dealing with. The other owner that's giving him advise is currently 2nd in our league and my arch enemy.Something about it just doesn't feel right and I wanted to get the views of the masses.

 

[SSOG]

I have owners bounce trades off me all the time, and giving an opinion is not out of bounds like ...

You are giving too much

Ask for more

If you include Player X, then you could probably get it done

I don't know, and I don't care is also a good response.

These two is what I've been dealing with. The other owner that's giving him advise is currently 2nd in our league and my arch enemy.Something about it just doesn't feel right and I wanted to get the views of the masses.

In my opinion, it's a pretty **** move, but there's nothing wrong with it. The other owner is allowed to run his team how he wants, and solicit whatever opinions he wants. He should understand that the other guy obviously has an agenda, and react accordingly.

 

[BigTex]

I have owners bounce trades off me all the time, and giving an opinion is not out of bounds like ...

You are giving too much

Ask for more

If you include Player X, then you could probably get it done

I don't know, and I don't care is also a good response.

These two is what I've been dealing with. The other owner that's giving him advise is currently 2nd in our league and my arch enemy.Something about it just doesn't feel right and I wanted to get the views of the masses.

In my opinion, it's a pretty **** move, but there's nothing wrong with it. The other owner is allowed to run his team how he wants, and solicit whatever opinions he wants. He should understand that the other guy obviously has an agenda, and react accordingly.

Thanks for chiming in SSOG and I agree 100%.

 

[MDSkinner]

I don't see anything wrong with people asking for others opinions on trades. Hell people do it here all the time.

You are personalizing it too much, due to the fact that the one giving the opinion is your "arch enemy". If it were anyone else, I am certain you would not care, because it is just an opinion. The guy making the trade will still have to be the one to pull the trigger no matter how you slice it.

 

[BigTex]

I don't see anything wrong with people asking for others opinions on trades. Hell people do it here all the time.

You are personalizing it too much, due to the fact that the one giving the opinion is your "arch enemy". If it were anyone else, I am certain you would not care, because it is just an opinion. The guy making the trade will still have to be the one to pull the trigger no matter how you slice it.

Sorry, but you got me wrong. I've expressed in the past in this league that this is a thin line. In the past this owner and I would have made a deal but it's been 5 days of negotiation only because another owner don't won't to see my team improve. It's one thing to give an opinion, but it's another when the other owner is REALLY calling the shots.I really don't won't to make this a me vs another owner. I'd just like to know how other feel, that's it. Nothing more.

 

[BigTex]

Just so we're clear, in the past I've had other owners ask me about "if" they should do trades that are in progress and I explained that it's not my call to make. These things make me feel a little uncomfortable.

 

[-OZ-]

Just so we're clear, in the past I've had other owners ask me about "if" they should do trades that are in progress and I explained that it's not my call to make. These things make me feel a little uncomfortable.

then I wouldn't change your actions just because of who the other owner is, assuming everyone involved has the same basic understanding of FFI'm more likely to share an in-depth opinion when the guy asking me for advice is less experienced than the other team, this is pretty much how most of the owners in my leagues act

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

 

[BigTex]

Just so we're clear, in the past I've had other owners ask me about "if" they should do trades that are in progress and I explained that it's not my call to make. These things make me feel a little uncomfortable.

then I wouldn't change your actions just because of who the other owner is, assuming everyone involved has the same basic understanding of FFI'm more likely to share an in-depth opinion when the guy asking me for advice is less experienced than the other team, this is pretty much how most of the owners in my leagues act

Hello -OZ- I appreciate your response. I was under the impression that everyone understand this but apparently not. This is a very competitive league, we only have one rookie that's being playing very very well but the other owners have all be playing at least 5 years.Again, I'm not against giving opinions but when an owner has to negotiation with another owner who don't have a player involved is crossing the line a bit.

 

[Black]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

You're asking for advice on this, aren't you?

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

 

[BigTex]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

You're asking for advice on this, aren't you?

Growup please, thank you.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

 

[Das Boot]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

You're asking for advice on this, aren't you?

Growup please, thank you.

He actually made a good point - people ask for advice all the time.I see no problem at all with owners asking anyone they want for trade advice.Is there a rule in your league that prohibits it? Would it even remotely make sense to try and enact such a rule?

 

[SSOG]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

 

[FTRWRTR]

Again, I'm not against giving opinions but when an owner has to negotiation with another owner who don't have a player involved is crossing the line a bit.

I don't understand the distinction you're trying to make. Are you saying owner A(the guy you're dealing with) can not make the trade unless owner B likes it(for example owner b has some kind of veto power) or is that owner A just doesn't want to make the deal unless owner B likes it? If it's the latter I say you just have to accept that as a part of ff. Every ff site has an advice forum not to mention ppl will talk to their friends or someone they trust, there is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking/giving advice on a trade.

 

[BobbyLayne]

there is absolutely nothing wrong with seeking/giving advice on a trade.

 

[jscout]

Nothing wrong with two owners bouncing ideas off each other. I once took advantage of a guy who I knew had a great team and would be tough to beat in an office league. I run into him in the bathroom and he mentions he was working on a deal with a real crappy team. I forget the players, but I remember it was a bad deal for him. So I said, "Dude, that's a great deal. I'd jump on it before he takes it off the table." I get back to the desk and within five minutes, I get an automated e-mail confirming the trade. The trade didn't pan out for him and he missed the play-offs. The crappy team he traded with was improved, but not enough to be a threat. Later in the season, I shrugged it off and said something like, "Who knew? I guess that's why they play the games." Or like your case, I've coached guppies in the league to not get eaten by sharks. They thank me feeling the good will. They think I got their back so later they gladly work a trade with me. It's like playing poker. The side banter is all part of the game. As long as there is no collusion, there's nothing wrong.

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

 

[jadensdad]

Nothing wrong with two owners bouncing ideas off each other. I once took advantage of a guy who I knew had a great team and would be tough to beat in an office league. I run into him in the bathroom and he mentions he was working on a deal with a real crappy team. I forget the players, but I remember it was a bad deal for him. So I said, "Dude, that's a great deal. I'd jump on it before he takes it off the table." I get back to the desk and within five minutes, I get an automated e-mail confirming the trade. The trade didn't pan out for him and he missed the play-offs. The crappy team he traded with was improved, but not enough to be a threat. Later in the season, I shrugged it off and said something like, "Who knew? I guess that's why they play the games." Or like your case, I've coached guppies in the league to not get eaten by sharks. They thank me feeling the good will. They think I got their back so later they gladly work a trade with me. It's like playing poker. The side banter is all part of the game. As long as there is no collusion, there's nothing wrong.

It doesn't make you a shark if you lie, cheat, or steal. What a loser

 

[bigums]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

It's not that it's hard to see, it's that it really is none of your business. Unless they have a deal to split the pot, it's just one guy putting all his faith in another guy's advice. He doesn't see that he's possibly being manipulated, but that's his problem. Maybe in the past, you've gotten over on this guy and your "arch enemy" has decided to take him under his wing and make him a more shrewd trader. If you don't like that he's put his faith in the guy you can push to have him removed in the off-season, but I have a feeling you'll come off looking like a whiner more than anything else.

 

[-OZ-]

Just so we're clear, in the past I've had other owners ask me about "if" they should do trades that are in progress and I explained that it's not my call to make. These things make me feel a little uncomfortable.

then I wouldn't change your actions just because of who the other owner is, assuming everyone involved has the same basic understanding of FFI'm more likely to share an in-depth opinion when the guy asking me for advice is less experienced than the other team, this is pretty much how most of the owners in my leagues act

Hello -OZ- I appreciate your response. I was under the impression that everyone understand this but apparently not. This is a very competitive league, we only have one rookie that's being playing very very well but the other owners have all be playing at least 5 years.Again, I'm not against giving opinions but when an owner has to negotiation with another owner who don't have a player involved is crossing the line a bit.

There's a huge difference between advice and negotiation:1.

Q: Do you think Braylon Edwards + Ronnie Brown for Reggie Bush is fair?

A: You have depth at WR, this is PPR, and we don't know how Brown will rebound from his injury, it seems fair to me.

2.

Q: What do you think I should trade for Reggie Bush?

A: VY, Brown, and Heap... let me tell you how to low-ball the owner first... (goes into strategy that would make GEN Petraeus proud)

3.

Q: Do you think Braylon Edwards + Ronnie Brown for Reggie Bush is fair?

A: No, you need to go after Brian Westbrook, give X,Y,Z (only reason he suggests Westbrook is to get him off his competitors team)... be sure to come back to me for the "go-ahead"

I don't think anyone will say #1 is bad sportsmanship (feel free to change the players)#2 is probably bad sportsmanship, unless maybe the other team is new and has been victim to harsh tactics before.

#3 is certainly wrong.

 

[Yitbos69]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

Tex what was the trade offer.....were you trying to hook a guppy? Or were you trying to help the guy out and make his team better?

 

[BLOX]

In my opinion it's borderline collusion.

Talking about players for football talk sake vs soliciting another (very good owner's) view. Very fine line there, but I don't think enough people would see what was wrong with the scenario to have anything happen to stop the practice.

 

[Wadsworth]

I had a guy this season ask me for advice on who to start the week I was playing him. I laughed and told him I wasn't going to give him advice and didn't know why he'd listen to it if I did. I understand the concern of the OP, but learning that people in fantasy will slant advice based on self interest in just part of the learning curve. People will take advantage of poor owners in many ways, giving them bad advice is one of them. As long as there's no planned undermining of the competitive balance of the league it's not an issue.

That said, if over time it became clear that the guppy owner will only trade with his advisor or only make trades that appear to further the advisors best interest I'd consider not inviting the guppy back. While the advisor's actions might( and I clearly mean "might" because there's very little information about the situation) be considered slimey, there's no rule in fantasy against playing a tool to your advantage. Longterm, the important thing is to either educate the guppy owner about self interest as it relates to fantasy advice or to remove him from the league if refuses to run his own team without being played like a puppet. Again, there's very little information here about the situation so it's hard to have a clearly focused opinion.

 

[GregR_2]

It's kind of hard to define a hard line for what I think is ok and what I think is another owner having too much control or input into another team's actions.

I guess to try to sum up how I handle these things, if I give advice I try to sort of give the advice and walk away. Answer the question that was asked and then stay out of the situation. I definitely think that the more times that the other owner is "consulted" on the trade the worse the situation is.

If it's an issue in your league, perhaps you can bring it up and start some discussion going on it. Especially if you can do it non-confrontationally.

 

[MDSkinner]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

You say that he has a good posting because he is the guy who agrees with you. I think many of us understand your situation, but the fact is the owner of the team is welcome to manage his team however he sees fit. If that means making all moves based solely on the mind of another owner, that is his prerogative. Does that make him right? No, and it probably makes him dumb if he can not make his own mind up about a FF team. But it is still his choice to use whatever advice/absolute decision he wants from whomever he wants.You seem bitter because it is not working out to your benefit. I understand that, I have been through that. That is part of life.

 

[Wadsworth]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

It's not hard to see at all. But the guppy owner is going to have to figure that out. If I'm picking second overall in a redraft league and the guy with the first pick asks me for advice on who to take... Obviously there could be a conflict there. In some other situations the conflict might not be as obvious, but as a fantasy owner you have to learn that you can't trust other owners for advice on the best options for your team without self interest. And while I can understand your frustration it's not cheating. You can't regulate against owners that make poor choices.

 

[GregR_2]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

You say that he has a good posting because he is the guy who agrees with you. I think many of us understand your situation, but the fact is the owner of the team is welcome to manage his team however he sees fit. If that means making all moves based solely on the mind of another owner, that is his prerogative. Does that make him right? No, and it probably makes him dumb if he can not make his own mind up about a FF team. But it is still his choice to use whatever advice/absolute decision he wants from whomever he wants.You seem bitter because it is not working out to your benefit. I understand that, I have been through that. That is part of life.

No. No no no no no. One owner controlling two teams through a robot owner is definitely not ok and violates the kind of individual competition that is the very heart of a sport or game like football or fantasy football.If a league has someone doing that they need to step in and make it stop, or replace the owner.

 

[MDSkinner]

No. No no no no no. One owner controlling two teams through a robot owner is definitely not ok and violates the kind of individual competition that is the very heart of a sport or game like football or fantasy football.If a league has someone doing that they need to step in and make it stop, or replace the owner.

While I agree completely with your sentiment here, I believe that this is an incredibly difficult thing to prove unless you are the Thought Police.If you can prove it, replace the owner. Otherwise, suck it up.

 

[Slinger]

I don't see anything wrong with people asking for others opinions on trades. Hell people do it here all the time.You are personalizing it too much, due to the fact that the one giving the opinion is your "arch enemy".

There's nothing wrong with this. I do it all the time so as to see if I can get a better deal from someone else.

 

[TheFanatic]

Normally there is nothing wrong with it. If I solicit advice from my best friend (another owner in my league) I usually see if he would have any interest in the players involved before I ask. Don't want to mention a potential trade offer only to find out he's also interested in that player or a trade with that owner.

After that we bounce ideas off each other all the time.

I have seen it go bad though. Had an owner in a very intense salary cap league with contracts, signing bonuses, restricted free agency, deferred money, no trade clauses, etc that did not even own a computer and did all of his research about an hour before the draft from a couple of magazines. HE was woefully unprepared so he relied heavily on another owner in the league. Too heavily. It was as if he was the minor league affiliate for the other team. We kicked the unprepared owner out of the league.

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

You say that he has a good posting because he is the guy who agrees with you. I think many of us understand your situation, but the fact is the owner of the team is welcome to manage his team however he sees fit. If that means making all moves based solely on the mind of another owner, that is his prerogative. Does that make him right? No, and it probably makes him dumb if he can not make his own mind up about a FF team. But it is still his choice to use whatever advice/absolute decision he wants from whomever he wants.You seem bitter because it is not working out to your benefit. I understand that, I have been through that. That is part of life.

No. No no no no no. One owner controlling two teams through a robot owner is definitely not ok and violates the kind of individual competition that is the very heart of a sport or game like football or fantasy football.If a league has someone doing that they need to step in and make it stop, or replace the owner.

This is what's going on.

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

It's not that it's hard to see, it's that it really is none of your business. Unless they have a deal to split the pot, it's just one guy putting all his faith in another guy's advice. He doesn't see that he's possibly being manipulated, but that's his problem. Maybe in the past, you've gotten over on this guy and your "arch enemy" has decided to take him under his wing and make him a more shrewd trader. If you don't like that he's put his faith in the guy you can push to have him removed in the off-season, but I have a feeling you'll come off looking like a whiner more than anything else.

You're basing your logic off of assumptions and it is my business.

 

[MDSkinner]

Just out of curiosity what is the trade that you are trying to make? Is it a fair one?

I really can not think of many scenarios where a person "not" trading could be considered collusion of any sort.

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

Tex what was the trade offer.....were you trying to hook a guppy? Or were you trying to help the guy out and make his team better?

I'm very hesitant to post this because this is NOT a WSID thread. I've already made up in my mind what I'm going to do so please reframe from telling me if I should do it or not.This owner has been finishing in the middle of the pack every year. He contacted me about the trade.

He wants Moss who's outperforming both Westy and LT who are #1/#2 in my league at the runningback position (non ppr). He also wants WR/Gonzo.

I'm giving

Moss/Gonzo

He's giving

QB Rivers

WR Stokley

His rookie #1

He's considering and my current counter as of now:

QB Brees

WR Welker

TE Gonzo

His rookie #1

 

[TheFanatic]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

Tex what was the trade offer.....were you trying to hook a guppy? Or were you trying to help the guy out and make his team better?

I'm very hesitant to post this because this is NOT a WSID thread. I've already made up in my mind what I'm going to do so please reframe from telling me if I should do it or not.This owner has been finishing in the middle of the pack every year. He contacted me about the trade.

He wants Moss who's outperforming both Westy and LT who are #1/#2 in my league at the runningback position (non ppr). He also wants WR/Gonzo.

I'm giving

Moss/Gonzo

He's giving

QB Rivers

WR Stokley

His rookie #1

He's considering and my current counter as of now:

QB Brees

WR Welker

TE Gonzo

His rookie #1

Why the hell would you trade Moss for that pile of crap and a potential good rookie?

 

[BigTex]

Its perfectly fine for people to talk together and bounce ideas off each other.

Which is all that we are talking about. He isnt making the decisions - he is giving some advice.

Advice is perfectly acceptable (and even expected) in everything else you do.

You're right advice/opinions are acceptable and there's nothing wrong with that but that's not what's happening in this case. I had been wonder why the negotiations have been going so long. Then tonight he said "well my mentor said that"........

Mentorship can be a very powerful tool for those who want to better themselves.

It can. It can also be a very severe handicap if you put too much faith in your mentor's advice while he has ulterior motives.

You're the only one that get this and I'm not sure why it's so hard to see.

Tex what was the trade offer.....were you trying to hook a guppy? Or were you trying to help the guy out and make his team better?

I'm very hesitant to post this because this is NOT a WSID thread. I've already made up in my mind what I'm going to do so please reframe from telling me if I should do it or not.This owner has been finishing in the middle of the pack every year. He contacted me about the trade.

He wants Moss who's outperforming both Westy and LT who are #1/#2 in my league at the runningback position (non ppr). He also wants WR/Gonzo.

I'm giving

Moss/Gonzo

He's giving

QB Rivers

WR Stokley

His rookie #1

He's considering and my current counter as of now:

QB Brees

WR Welker

TE Gonzo

His rookie #1

Why the hell would you trade Moss for that pile of crap and a potential good rookie?

LOL, I've been trying to make the/a trade without Moss but his so called "mentor" is telling him Moss or nothing and keep in mind I didn't start the trade talke. I don't have to make this trade I have the #1 seed in the playoffs.

But the point of this thread is/was about "ETHICS" in fantsy football. Does this type of interference cross the line. I promise you I'm perfectly fine with my team.

 

[Da Guru]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

Only a weak minded owner would ask another owner for trade advice. Do you think Jerry Jones calls Danny Boy and asks him who to draft?That being said there is one team in my league that will not trade without calling the same guy, of course the guy steers him in a direction that could indirectly help his own team.

 

[BigTex]

Just out of curiosity what is the trade that you are trying to make? Is it a fair one?I really can not think of many scenarios where a person "not" trading could be considered collusion of any sort.

It really wasn't about "not" trading. More of an ethical issue, when involvement with others cross the line. That's all.I'm of the belief that if you need another to run your team then he should pay half of the league dues. Not run two teams and only pay for one.I understand what's been said in this thread, but I think that there's a that should not be crossed in fantasy football and this is just one of them.P.S. For those that say I'm crying or complaining, trust me, I'm not.

 

[BigTex]

Is this practice acceptable? Can one owner give another advice throughout trade negotiations?

Only a weak minded owner would ask another owner for trade advice. Do you think Jerry Jones calls Danny Boy and asks him who to draft?That being said there is one team in my league that will not trade without calling the same guy, of course they guy steers him in a direction that could indirectly help his own team.

LOL, so true.

 

[bcover27]

Even if a rule was put in place, it'd be almost impossible to enact. Sure you might have written proof of him calling the other team "his mentor" and all but after this incident the advice talks will continue it just won't be made public. Other teams getting advice is just something that happens. Give advice to people playing your "Advisary" if you need to, but I don't think it should be made illegal.

 

[BigTex]

I had a guy this season ask me for advice on who to start the week I was playing him. I laughed and told him I wasn't going to give him advice and didn't know why he'd listen to it if I did. I understand the concern of the OP, but learning that people in fantasy will slant advice based on self interest in just part of the learning curve. People will take advantage of poor owners in many ways, giving them bad advice is one of them. As long as there's no planned undermining of the competitive balance of the league it's not an issue. That said, if over time it became clear that the guppy owner will only trade with his advisor or only make trades that appear to further the advisors best interest I'd consider not inviting the guppy back. While the advisor's actions might( and I clearly mean "might" because there's very little information about the situation) be considered slimey, there's no rule in fantasy against playing a tool to your advantage. Longterm, the important thing is to either educate the guppy owner about self interest as it relates to fantasy advice or to remove him from the league if refuses to run his own team without being played like a puppet. Again, there's very little information here about the situation so it's hard to have a clearly focused opinion.

Well said.

 

[hook014]

Tex, you make a good point here and can see your frustration.

Another thing to consider is this; MR Mentor is quite possibly playing the freezeout game with young Skywalker.

Drag negotiations out until nothing gets done or a deadline is passed. Same difference to him. We had a guy in our league who used to do this regularly.

The problem really becomes one of getting rid of weak owners who will succumb to this.

I would cut bait on the trade and look elsewhere, cause he's just gonna kill your window of opportunity.

 

[BigTex]

Even if a rule was put in place, it'd be almost impossible to enact. Sure you might have written proof of him calling the other team "his mentor" and all but after this incident the advice talks will continue it just won't be made public. Other teams getting advice is just something that happens. Give advice to people playing your "Advisary" if you need to, but I don't think it should be made illegal.

Thanks for posting, That's what makes it so difficult, this is one of those issues that are hard to define and control.