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Is it possible Aaron Hernandez outscores Gronk this year? (1 Viewer)

ponchsox

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I read this this morning and was wondering if it's possible Hernandez outscores Gronk this year, or comes close? I still think Gronk scores more TDs but I think the two will finish pretty close. Thoughts?

According to the Boston Globe, Aaron Hernandez has "ascended to (Tom) Brady’s No. 1 option."

Suggesting the current pecking order goes Hernandez, Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski, the Globe's Greg Bedard is the second Boston writer to opine that Hernandez now tops the totem pole after a sterling training camp. Hernandez's seven targets in Friday's regular season dress rehearsal were three more than any other Pats' pass catcher, but it's still hard to believe he's unseated Welker as Brady's go-to target. It is evidence that Hernandez's role should only continue to grow, however, and that he's locked in as a top-four tight end despite the presence of his more celebrated teammate Gronk. Aug 25 - 9:35 AM

Source: Boston Globe

 
All three are likely to catch a lot of balls. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hernandez catch the most. But I think gronkowski has a bit more scoring ability.

 
'Abraham said:
All three are likely to catch a lot of balls. I wouldn't be surprised to see Hernandez catch the most. But I think gronkowski has a bit more scoring ability.
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In a non-ppr I think Gronk will outscore Hernandez but in a PPR it could be very close. Considering where Gronk is being drafted, you can get Hernandez a few rounds later.
 
I suppose anything is possible. Last year in games both Gronk and Hernandez played in, they were targeted equally and if memory serves also had the same mount of catches. Obviously Gronk significantly outpaced Hernandez in the TD department and the end-of-year targets and receptions looked skewed because of Hernandez's missed games due to injury. But, since they were so even in every other category, you could very well see Hernandez outscore Gronk if the TDs are more evenly distributed. IMO Hernandez is a much better value 2 o 3 rounds later, depending on your league format.

 
I've said it 100 times this year. People need to put way less emphasis in what happens in preseason games.

IIRC, the "regular" offense hasn't played together very often in the preseason, so saying Hernandez is Brady's favorite target when Welker or Gronk aren't playing at the same time doesn't show much of anything.

Oh . . . and it's the preseason.

But to answer the question, anything is possible in NE.

 
lol they said the same thing last yr. hernandez went before gronk in most drafts. dont believ the hype. its preseason

 
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Even if Hernandez catches more passes and has about the same number of yards Gronk will still out score him because he will mostly likely hold at least a 2 - 1 advantage in touchdowns. Gronk is 6'6", and is Brady's favorite redzone target, Hernandez is 6'2" on his best day.

 
I think its entirely possible Hernandez is the 2nd option on this team behind Gronk. Plus he gets a few rushes out of the backfield. Gronk & Graham went very high in the draft (obviously) & I was targeting Gates or Hernandez. I'm very high on Hernandez and grabbed him.

 
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'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5674/aaron-hernandez

According to the Boston Globe, Aaron Hernandez has "ascended to (Tom) Brady’s No. 1 option."

Suggesting the current pecking order goes Hernandez, Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski, the Globe's Greg Bedard is the second Boston writer to opine that Hernandez now tops the totem pole after a sterling training camp. Hernandez's seven targets in Friday's regular season dress rehearsal were three more than any other Pats' pass catcher, but it's still hard to believe he's unseated Welker as Brady's go-to target. It is evidence that Hernandez's role should only continue to grow, however, and that he's locked in as a top-four tight end despite the presence of his more celebrated teammate Gronk. Aug 25 - 9:35 AM

Source: Boston Globe
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=651966&view=findpost&p=14675313
 
'Chazzhawk said:
Even if Hernandez catches more passes and has about the same number of yards Gronk will still out score him because he will mostly likely hold at least a 2 - 1 advantage in touchdowns. Gronk is 6'6", and is Brady's favorite redzone target, Hernandez is 6'2" on his best day.
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I think it could be a little closer than 2:1. Gronk will come down from last year and Hernandez could easily catch 8 TDs in 16 games along with 80 receptions.
 
'pghrob said:
'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5674/aaron-hernandez

According to the Boston Globe, Aaron Hernandez has "ascended to (Tom) Brady’s No. 1 option."

Suggesting the current pecking order goes Hernandez, Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski, the Globe's Greg Bedard is the second Boston writer to opine that Hernandez now tops the totem pole after a sterling training camp. Hernandez's seven targets in Friday's regular season dress rehearsal were three more than any other Pats' pass catcher, but it's still hard to believe he's unseated Welker as Brady's go-to target. It is evidence that Hernandez's role should only continue to grow, however, and that he's locked in as a top-four tight end despite the presence of his more celebrated teammate Gronk. Aug 25 - 9:35 AM

Source: Boston Globe
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=651966&view=findpost&p=14675313
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I didn't mean to just copy & paste :lmao:
 
'David Yudkin said:
I've said it 100 times this year. People need to put way less emphasis in what happens in preseason games.

IIRC, the "regular" offense hasn't played together very often in the preseason, so saying Hernandez is Brady's favorite target when Welker or Gronk aren't playing at the same time doesn't show much of anything.

Oh . . . and it's the preseason.

But to answer the question, anything is possible in NE.
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Follow the Yellow Brick Road
 
Lloyd will cut into Hernandez's looks more than he'll cut into Gronk's, IMO. But I suspect Welker will see the biggest drop due to Lloyd.

 
'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
'pghrob said:
'Twenty-Four Eighty-Four said:
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/5674/aaron-hernandez

According to the Boston Globe, Aaron Hernandez has "ascended to (Tom) Brady’s No. 1 option."

Suggesting the current pecking order goes Hernandez, Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski, the Globe's Greg Bedard is the second Boston writer to opine that Hernandez now tops the totem pole after a sterling training camp. Hernandez's seven targets in Friday's regular season dress rehearsal were three more than any other Pats' pass catcher, but it's still hard to believe he's unseated Welker as Brady's go-to target. It is evidence that Hernandez's role should only continue to grow, however, and that he's locked in as a top-four tight end despite the presence of his more celebrated teammate Gronk. Aug 25 - 9:35 AM

Source: Boston Globe
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http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=651966&view=findpost&p=14675313
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I didn't mean to just copy & paste :lmao:
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:thumbup:
 
That opinion is a pretty popular one right now.

While it may very well happen, I think most of use are doing what we've been trained to do for years: Come up with reasons not to pay a premium for the elite TEs.

Not that that's a bad thing. God knows it was a wonderful thing last year.

Being that it's NE, it's obviously very hard to predict what'll happen.

 
If we all go back in time and redraft knowing the outcome of each player, we would all be very satisfied with Gronk and Graham (and Newton, Stafford, etc) as a late 1st or early 2nd pick, but now you pay for the price of the production so you would have just got what you paid for.

It is nearly impossible to not have to a team weakness in redraft (dynasty is another story) so you will need to pick your poison as to what position do you think it is easiest to find value and likelihood that the player will outperform their draft slot.

This year it is arguably easier to find a value in a mid to late WR that jumps into the WR1 tier. So grabbing a known elite TE (in standard leagues) makes a ton of sense if you can get Hernandez or Gates in the 4th/5th round sweet spot after Gronk/Graham and before the drop. Otherwise just wait and go for value again to grab two of the TE 12+ that could jump into the TE elite category versus spending a 5th on Davis/Finley, etc. In fact, QB and RB are all very similar this season after the top 3-4 at all positions.

WR is simply the hardest to predict so easiest to take chances on.

 
'David Yudkin said:
'Hipple said:
'shadyridr said:
lol they said the same thing last yr. hernandez went before gronk in most drafts. dont believ the hype. its preseason
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Huh. Not even close. Gronk went 5-10 rou n ds b4 hernandez last yr.
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Gronk ADP 103, Hernandez 132 according to MFL.
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Certainly there are alot of different valuations but that is how it tended to go down last year. Many were in one camp or the other so in actual drafts it could go either way.In my own league I got Hernandez in the 12th round after watching Gronk go in the 7th.
 
Maybe? The problem is that Welker has not played, so last night's target distribution has little value right now.

However, in the end, Gronkowski will be the RZ target.

(if not ppr, then no thank you).

 
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'ponchsox said:
I read this this morning and was wondering if it's possible Hernandez outscores Gronk this year, or comes close? I still think Gronk scores more TDs but I think the two will finish pretty close. Thoughts?According to the Boston Globe, Aaron Hernandez has "ascended to (Tom) Brady’s No. 1 option."Suggesting the current pecking order goes Hernandez, Wes Welker and Rob Gronkowski, the Globe's Greg Bedard is the second Boston writer to opine that Hernandez now tops the totem pole after a sterling training camp. Hernandez's seven targets in Friday's regular season dress rehearsal were three more than any other Pats' pass catcher, but it's still hard to believe he's unseated Welker as Brady's go-to target. It is evidence that Hernandez's role should only continue to grow, however, and that he's locked in as a top-four tight end despite the presence of his more celebrated teammate Gronk. Aug 25 - 9:35 AMSource: Boston Globe
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FWIW I don't trust much of anything from the Boston Globe. That article was posted by a newish writer Greg Bedard.Anything's possible, but Hernandez is no substitution for Gronk. Gronkowski is a much better blocker, much bigger, and should continue to be the red zone target of choice.
 
Hernandez is actually more efficient in the red zone than people give him credit for. Obviously he isn't Gronk down there (who is?) but he's definitely very reliable.

Inside the 20 - 24 targets, 12 receptions, 77 yards and 6 touchdowns

Inside the 5 - 12 targets, 5 receptions, 10 yards and 4 touchdowns

Inside the 20, Hernandez was second on the team to Gronk in targets (24 to 26). But inside the 5, he was first on the team in targets (12).

Food for thought...

 
This theory is crazy, but plausible. We all know that Tom Brady is a vain individual, by saying this I am not saying he is a jerk (I have no knowledge of that kind of stuff for him), rather TB is a guy who likes to look pretty, likes to date/marry actresses/ supermodels, likes to win and has a cocky swagger. Over the last year, Gronk has gotten a lot of press for various things and is sort of becoming more of a 'face' for the patriots. I am pretty sure TB, at 35, is not ready to relinquish his role as one of the 'faces' of the NFL let alone his own team, so I would not be surprised if it crossed his mind to make someone else 'the man' this year.

I mean, if you think about it, the thing about the Patriots has always been him. Not the defense, not any other particular players, just Tom Brady. Many, many players have had a moment, or maybe more than a moment in the sun for the Pats during this amazing 10 year run of excellence. So, in essence, I am thinking that it is quite probable that someone else will be 'the man' this year.

 
'meatwad1 said:
This theory is crazy, but plausible. We all know that Tom Brady is a vain individual, by saying this I am not saying he is a jerk (I have no knowledge of that kind of stuff for him), rather TB is a guy who likes to look pretty, likes to date/marry actresses/ supermodels, likes to win and has a cocky swagger. Over the last year, Gronk has gotten a lot of press for various things and is sort of becoming more of a 'face' for the patriots. I am pretty sure TB, at 35, is not ready to relinquish his role as one of the 'faces' of the NFL let alone his own team, so I would not be surprised if it crossed his mind to make someone else 'the man' this year.

I mean, if you think about it, the thing about the Patriots has always been him. Not the defense, not any other particular players, just Tom Brady. Many, many players have had a moment, or maybe more than a moment in the sun for the Pats during this amazing 10 year run of excellence. So, in essence, I am thinking that it is quite probable that someone else will be 'the man' this year.
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I wouldn't mind doing that
 
'meatwad1 said:
This theory is crazy, but plausible. We all know that Tom Brady is a vain individual, by saying this I am not saying he is a jerk (I have no knowledge of that kind of stuff for him), rather TB is a guy who likes to look pretty, likes to date/marry actresses/ supermodels, likes to win and has a cocky swagger. Over the last year, Gronk has gotten a lot of press for various things and is sort of becoming more of a 'face' for the patriots. I am pretty sure TB, at 35, is not ready to relinquish his role as one of the 'faces' of the NFL let alone his own team, so I would not be surprised if it crossed his mind to make someone else 'the man' this year. I mean, if you think about it, the thing about the Patriots has always been him. Not the defense, not any other particular players, just Tom Brady. Many, many players have had a moment, or maybe more than a moment in the sun for the Pats during this amazing 10 year run of excellence. So, in essence, I am thinking that it is quite probable that someone else will be 'the man' this year.
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This is the most idiotic thing that I have read on this board in a long time. And that is saying a lot.
 
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