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All of DeAngelo's touchdowns came from over 10 yards out. Stewart is getting most, if not all of the short yardage looks. That should mean more TDs this year, plus he seems to have the ability to break a few runs off. I think it is only a matter of time before he starts taking over, and this is from an uneasy DeAngelo owner.
I have DWilliams ... I just offered Perry for Stewart and got rejected.I am going to up the offer
I am in the Hines Ward area now.
I own JStew and it would take more than Perry or Hines Ward for me to make a deal. Stewart is consistently getting 15-17 carries a game and all of the goalline opportunities on a team that looks solid running the ball and usually plays with a lead . He's currently a strong RB2 in my eyes.
How do you figure? The 5-game sample doesn't support this being consistent.
What's the incentive for a coach to move away from RBBC and have one of them "take over" when he has 2 productive RBs? Is this a better team with DWilly on the bench getting significantly less touches?
65 carries in 5 games, so an average of 13 carries a game. The low games being the first game of his career with 10 carries and the game against Minnesota where he had 7 carries.He has carried the ball 15 and 19 times in the last two games respectively with 14 carries against Chicago. I guess I expect his workload to increase or at least stay right in that 15 carry average as the season progresses because he's the more talented runner, or maybe I'm just an optimistic owner.
I don't see any evidence to suggest that DeAngelo will be phased out of the offense, but I expect Stewart to get a few more of those touches between the 20's because he's stronger between the tackles. The OP was curious about Stewart's value as a RB2. I think he's a solid second back because of his potential for more carries along with the goalline looks he already receives. We all know this is and will continue to be a RBBC unless there is an injury, but it's obvious Stewart is the more valuable fantasy back to have.DeAngelo's big game was a product of him breaking a couple big runs. You can't rely on those plays each week.
Hist 1st TD was from the 10.
Well, I'm honestly not biased toward either of these guys since I own both and I'm bracing to be highly frustrated until one becomes injured. I'm not sure why you believe DeAngelo cannot be relied upon for big runs each week since he has been fairly consistent breaking explosive plays throughout his career. The complaint against him has been that he also has an abundance of no-gain plays, a la Barry Sanders. In terms of trends, on both occasions Deangelo has been given 20 carries over his past 6 games, his production has been (21/120/2TDs, 20/124/2TDs). So, I'd say he can be generally relied upon for the big play when his role allows it.I actually started J.Stewart as my RB2 4 of the first 5 weeks with relative success, but the only thing I expect by way of consistency going forward is that the performances of both DWilly and Stewart will be impossible to predict, with one going off one week and the other the next. Because DWilly is also use on 3rd downs and the passing game, he'll be more likely to break off big plays, and Stewart probably more likely the recipient of goal line TDs. However, Deangelo taking both the 1st and 2nd down carries in the redzone last week when he scored the 10 yard TD bears monitoring. He also had other carries in the redzone last week:1-10-KC10 (13:19) D.Williams up the middle to KC 5 for 5 yards (P.Thomas). 3-5-KC18 (10:52) D.Williams up the middle to KC 14 for 4 yards (A.Boone). So, if Stewart's redzone carries are limited to when Carolina gets within the 5, they may often not reach that point, or may score before they get there.
JStew has been the better runner - and he has been the more consistent performer inside the 20. I would expect his role to increase as he gets more comfortable in the offense. We can debate the meaning of the term "take over" but I mean that a 60-40 split in touches in favor of JStew is the same thing as him "taking over." If you look at the RB touch splits among many teams, the starter rarely has over 65% of the team's RB touches, and one is obviously the fantasy player to have.Re: your statement above on the small sample size, with rookies, all we can use is their small sample size. How does waiting till the end of the year for a larger sample size help this discussion?
I didn't comment on the size of the sample. I said the existing sample does not support the OPs assertion that "Stewart is consistently getting 15-17 carries a game." Do you disagree?Re: your statement above on the small sample size, with rookies, all we can use is their small sample size. How does waiting till the end of the year for a larger sample size help this discussion?
I agree.Stewart has only one game with 15 or more carries - the last one. If anything, the sample size directly contradicts the assertion that was made.I didn't comment on the size of the sample. I said the existing sample does not support the OPs assertion that "Stewart is consistently getting 15-17 carries a game." Do you disagree?Re: your statement above on the small sample size, with rookies, all we can use is their small sample size. How does waiting till the end of the year for a larger sample size help this discussion?
Preemptive measure to avoid misspelling "Jonathan"?
How can identify him using fewer letters? Go pee in the FFA.Grahamburn said:
Not a fan of this trade. Stewart's huge upside > the upgrade from Roy to Calvin IMHO.
Not a fan either. I've got J-STEW and CJ the 8th to go along with Gore and Freight Train McClain. I'm thinking of packaging STEW with Santonio for TO to go along with Moss, Wayne, and Cotchery.
By what measure has Stewart been he better runner?Carolina is 4-1 and in 1st in their division. Fox may be an idiot, but he isn't so big an idiot as to go and change up what's actually working for him.I think it's going to be tough each week trying to guess which one is going to score more fantasy points...for this season. Thunder and lightning.
I know. Welcome to Dorkville.
Still waiting for for a way to indentify him with fewer letters. It's not to sound cool, it's to avoid typing.
in my league(ppr), I think 10 points a week is his floor. with 20 being his ceiling.
I would put him over Fargas cause it is a worse team and they have 2 other good RBs. I would put him over Fred Taylor cause Taylor looks horrible, is in time share and doesn't get goalline looks. McClain, man that is a toss up. I would take a look at the schedules, you will probably find having a Carolina RB is better than having a Baltimore RB.
agreed, and for keeper purposes, I would say Stewart is the one to have. I mean if what we are seeing is what fox is going to stick with, I think he has more value than williamsThe way I see it, he can score from inside the 20 and outside the 20. From the looks of it, Williams will only be scoring from outside the 10.
What does PPR have to do with it?1 target, 1 rec, 8 yardsversus9-7-49-1 for WilliamsIn a PPR, Williams is the one you want.
In a redraft, I think you have to reject this trade. In a dynasty league it's a thinker.
I couldn't agree more
Yeah, it's a redraft. And Colston's coming back soon anyway.Stewart has looked studly at times ... a shame he's in a time share.
All told, you're saving yourself 2 letters. You're kidding right?Maybe go for JonS, and save yourself 3...
quit yer trolling.
Where are you getting this information? Stewart has had more than 14 carries only once this season. His lowest attempts total didn't come in week one either. What is important is that Williams has had more carries than Stewart in 4 out of 5 games thus far. The only game he had less being week 2. So not sure how that supports the argument that he didn't get the ball early. Not too mention that Williams catches passes while Stewart does not.Link65 carries in 5 games, so an average of 13 carries a game. The low games being the first game of his career with 10 carries and the game against Minnesota where he had 7 carries.He has carried the ball 15 and 19 times in the last two games respectively with 14 carries against Chicago. I guess I expect his workload to increase or at least stay right in that 15 carry average as the season progresses because he's the more talented runner, or maybe I'm just an optimistic owner.
That's fascinating and impressive. Please keep me up to date.
ESPN's game logs have him for 15 carries in the Atlanta game. He has had games with 15, 14, and 19 carries out of five games. The low games were the first game of his career, and the game against Minnesota where we wouldn't expect him to receive high carry totals. The point was that Carolina is trying to get him around 15 carries a game in his last few starts and he gets the ball on the goalline. That gives him value as a RB2.Where are you getting this information? Stewart has had more than 14 carries only once this season. His lowest attempts total didn't come in week one either. What is important is that Williams has had more carries than Stewart in 4 out of 5 games thus far. The only game he had less being week 2. So not sure how that supports the argument that he didn't get the ball early. Not too mention that Williams catches passes while Stewart does not.Link65 carries in 5 games, so an average of 13 carries a game. The low games being the first game of his career with 10 carries and the game against Minnesota where he had 7 carries.He has carried the ball 15 and 19 times in the last two games respectively with 14 carries against Chicago. I guess I expect his workload to increase or at least stay right in that 15 carry average as the season progresses because he's the more talented runner, or maybe I'm just an optimistic owner.
I'm not sure why people around here still seem to think that if they wish it enough, Stewart will simply be handed the lead RB role. This is going to be a RBBC ALL season long pending and injury. Williams is too good and effective to not be largely involved in this offense. Fox is too loyal to veteran players. Car is winning too much to greatly alter their formula.
Where are you getting this information? Stewart has had more than 14 carries only once this season. His lowest attempts total didn't come in week one either. What is important is that Williams has had more carries than Stewart in 4 out of 5 games thus far. The only game he had less being week 2. So not sure how that supports the argument that he didn't get the ball early. Not too mention that Williams catches passes while Stewart does not.Link65 carries in 5 games, so an average of 13 carries a game. The low games being the first game of his career with 10 carries and the game against Minnesota where he had 7 carries.He has carried the ball 15 and 19 times in the last two games respectively with 14 carries against Chicago. I guess I expect his workload to increase or at least stay right in that 15 carry average as the season progresses because he's the more talented runner, or maybe I'm just an optimistic owner.
I'm not sure why people around here still seem to think that if they wish it enough, Stewart will simply be handed the lead RB role. This is going to be a RBBC ALL season long pending and injury. Williams is too good and effective to not be largely involved in this offense. Fox is too loyal to veteran players. Car is winning too much to greatly alter their formula.
And I'm a JStew owner...and even I can admit that there is nothing DWill has done to lead me to believe that JFox will make this anything but an RBBC
Rack um Clones
Been calling him Big Jon Stud myself, after the old-school WWF wrestler.
