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Is KC a train wreck waiting to happen? (1 Viewer)

Few points on the KC schedule.

1 . They play both Cincinatti and Jacksonville after those teams come off bye weeks.

2. They open with 2 games on the road, the second at Chicago.

3. They finish with 3 of 4 games on the road including games @Denver, @NYJ and @Detroit.

(And I know how @Detroit doesn't sound that tough, but late in the year it seems funny things happen @ Detroit)

Just saying...... :confused:

 
jgb95 said:
-- Chiefs OL in Transition; Wiegmann Not Retiring --

Tue Apr 17, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Kansas City Star reports as recently as two seasons ago, the 31 other teams were envious of the Chiefs and their offensive line. The Chiefs possessed a rarity: three linemen so skilled that each was selected to the Pro Bowl. Two of those players are gone now that ORG Will Shields has joined OLT Willie Roaf in retirement. Only OLG Brian Waters remains. What once was a strength is now at best an area of uncertainty. The Chiefs patched the thing together, but for now at least they are more hopeful than sure their line will hold up. “We’ve already made preparations for this by acquiring some talented veterans as well as younger offensive linemen,” Chiefs GM Carl Peterson said. “There are veteran players here that can play (right guard). I would say without question nobody’s going to fill those shoes. Nobody’s going to be quite as good as Will Shields.” The Chiefs had privately been fretting that C Casey Wiegmann may also walk away. But Wiegmann has been participating in the offseason workout program, and his agent, Joe Linta, indicated Wiegmann would play this season. “He’s not retiring, no,” Linta said. “He’s all set to play. He wants to play three or four more years.” The Chiefs will probably open their season Sept. 9 at Houston with a line featuring Waters, Wiegmann and new starters at the three other positions. Free-agent addition OT Damion McIntosh is the left tackle, OT Chris Terry will get the first shot at right tackle, and OG John Welbourn is likely to play in Shields’ spot at right guard. McIntosh was the Chiefs’ priority in free-agency. They whisked him from Miami in the opening moments of free-agency and had him under contract shortly after he arrived. Terry has been a starting right tackle for Carolina and Seattle. Welbourn was mostly a guard for Philadelphia before joining the Chiefs three years ago. He has played mostly tackle since coming to Kansas City. The Chiefs long believed guard was Welbourn’s best position, but they had no room for him there until now.
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great post...so KC has had 2 Pro Bowl OG's, and Welbourn rostered for 3 yrs, awaiting a spot? Add C Wiegmann still on board and the Chefs are still solid up the middle, with coveted FA McIntosh @LT and Terry @RTthe demise of the KC running game is a bit premature---send any and all offers dumping Larry Johnson c/o the ravnzfan!

 
Hairy Snowman said:
1. They play both Cincinatti and Jacksonville after those teams come off bye weeks.2. They open with 2 games on the road, the second at Chicago.3. They finish with 3 of 4 games on the road including games @Denver, @NYJ and @Detroit. (And I know how @Detroit doesn't sound that tough, but late in the year it seems funny things happen @ Detroit)Just saying...... :confused:
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Don't water down any legitimate arguments you may have with stuff like this. On point 1, I don't know if it's unusual to face two teams coming off byes or not and I'm not about to invest the time to check. I'm sure facing one such team is pretty common, I am guessing twice isn't all that unusual, and even if it is more than the norm, it's just one game.On point 2, the other game is against Houston but you didn't mention that.On point 3, every team has road games in little bunches. That means very little. They also have home games in little bunches. KC has 4 of 5 games at home at one point, but you didn't mention that. It all still adds up to 8 at home and 8 away, just like everybody else. I too think KC is in for a slide, but I wouldn't use something like this to support it.
 
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Warpig said:
FavreCo said:
Herminator is taking them south as predicted. First he destory the passing game and then he works on destroying the running game. His best line is 'I like to keep it close and try and win it in the 4th quarter.' Actual Herminator statement. Sure beats pummelling the other team and coasting in the 4th Q. :confused:
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:mellow: at all the Herman haters.The Chiefs had their best draft in 18 years under Herm's watch. He's turning around the defense. The offense was falling apart when he took it over. Why do you think Vermeil left?!?! Vermeil knew after his last year that offense was gonna be in shambles.

I think Herm is the kind of coach that mid-western team needed. Firm yet fair. I think he has the respect of the players and those players will play harder not to let Herm down. They squeaked into the playoffs under him for the first time in about 10 years right? I think Herm is a great motivator.

The Chiefs will probably suffer a downhill slide this year but it won't be because of Herm. He'll try to have another solid draft class and with next years FA period, I expect them to be reasonable contenders for the West in 2008.

And I'm not even a Chiefs fan!
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Herm is firm??? Which part? The optional practices or allowing sleeping during game film and in the lockeroom?
 
As a KC homer, I find this thread useful on several levels.

I could expound upon every post in here and write a diatribe on every point, but I am not up to it.

My summation:

KC D is underrated nationally - they are one DT away from being a top-10 DEF. Assuming Allen plays nice.

KC Offense will be vanilla, but KC has won with that before (Remember the Barry Word-Christian Okoye days). I would like better WRs, but KC has stayed competitive without a true #1. And Huard will be more than average. We let a guy named Gannon get away at this same age and he won an MVP after being a relative unknown.

Lastly, KC has been under 7-9 just once in 18 years...the trend says they will find some way to stay in the hunt - they always do. Some don't like that way of running a team, you know, doing just enough to be in the hunt and above .500 but doing squat with it.

The fact is that KC is a winning organization because of that philosophy. It is why, year in, year out, this becomes a haven for veterans. KC will always be an older team, it is just they way Carl Peterson runs things.

Like I said, this thread has given me enough piss and vinegar for a novel, but those are my main points.

 
Couch Potato said:
Hairy Snowman said:
1. They play both Cincinatti and Jacksonville after those teams come off bye weeks.2. They open with 2 games on the road, the second at Chicago.3. They finish with 3 of 4 games on the road including games @Denver, @NYJ and @Detroit. (And I know how @Detroit doesn't sound that tough, but late in the year it seems funny things happen @ Detroit)Just saying...... :lmao:
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Don't water down any legitimate arguments you may have with stuff like this. On point 1, I don't know if it's unusual to face two teams coming off byes or not and I'm not about to invest the time to check. I'm sure facing one such team is pretty common, I am guessing twice isn't all that unusual, and even if it is more than than the norm, it's just one game.On point 2, the other game is against Houston but you didn't mention that.On point 3, every team has road games in little bunches. That means very little. They also have home games in little bunches. KC has 4 of 5 games at home at one point, but you didn't mention that. It all still adds up to 8 at home and 8 away, just like everybody else. I too think KC is in for a slide, but I wouldn't use something like this to support it.
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Like I said, I was just mentioning it. I wasn't using it as evidence, just additional information on the matchups and preparation. Those are just tough spots on the schedule IMO.
 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
As a KC homer, I find this thread useful on several levels.I could expound upon every post in here and write a diatribe on every point, but I am not up to it.My summation:KC D is underrated nationally - they are one DT away from being a top-10 DEF. Assuming Allen plays nice.KC Offense will be vanilla, but KC has won with that before (Remember the Barry Word-Christian Okoye days). I would like better WRs, but KC has stayed competitive without a true #1. And Huard will be more than average. We let a guy named Gannon get away at this same age and he won an MVP after being a relative unknown.Lastly, KC has been under 7-9 just once in 18 years...the trend says they will find some way to stay in the hunt - they always do. Some don't like that way of running a team, you know, doing just enough to be in the hunt and above .500 but doing squat with it.The fact is that KC is a winning organization because of that philosophy. It is why, year in, year out, this becomes a haven for veterans. KC will always be an older team, it is just they way Carl Peterson runs things.Like I said, this thread has given me enough piss and vinegar for a novel, but those are my main points.
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Good points. And of course they have 2 difference makers on offense in LJ and Gonzo. Give them a WR and look out. They could be a real sleeper in the AFC.
 
KC is indeed a train wreck waiting to happen.

I'm sure Larry Johnson is going to be talking holdout pretty soon too.

Herm Edwards couldn't lead a horse to water.

 
Kevin Ashcraft said:
As a KC homer, I find this thread useful on several levels.I could expound upon every post in here and write a diatribe on every point, but I am not up to it.My summation:KC D is underrated nationally - they are one DT away from being a top-10 DEF. Assuming Allen plays nice.KC Offense will be vanilla, but KC has won with that before (Remember the Barry Word-Christian Okoye days). I would like better WRs, but KC has stayed competitive without a true #1. And Huard will be more than average. We let a guy named Gannon get away at this same age and he won an MVP after being a relative unknown.Lastly, KC has been under 7-9 just once in 18 years...the trend says they will find some way to stay in the hunt - they always do. Some don't like that way of running a team, you know, doing just enough to be in the hunt and above .500 but doing squat with it.The fact is that KC is a winning organization because of that philosophy. It is why, year in, year out, this becomes a haven for veterans. KC will always be an older team, it is just they way Carl Peterson runs things.Like I said, this thread has given me enough piss and vinegar for a novel, but those are my main points.
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See,s what most people are concerned about is the loss of lineman and probably Green. As you point out however, is that they have a formula that has worled well for years. Most years they have had a solid O-line and top notch run game even when they didn't have a good passing game. In fact they usually are not a good passing team. Most of what they do goes through Gonzo anyway which is what makes him so valuable.As for LJ, I wouldn't lose any sleep over his production. One thing you can count on is that he'll get plenty of touches and he'll score plenty of TD's. Should be top 3 with #1 upside. Oh and the lack of WR's could mean more recptions for LJ too.
 
Funny, they lose on both sides on the flip of the coin.

The Chiefs keep noodle arm Green and they get ripped. They make a move to get younger at the position and they get ripped again. Moving Green (and his cap number) is the play. His age, health and cap plainly connect the dots. The rest of the division all have very young QBs (Oakland's pending) and it makes sense to at least see what Croyle is capable of. Huard is a placeholder, his contract terms point that out.

If you want to bash anyone in the franchise, the line starts at Carl Peterson's office, he is the one signing players and the one that submits the draft selections.

 
Rovers said:
Oooh, seemed to have hit a nerve.
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Not really. I've seen your mindless anti-Herm drivel before, though.
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So, losing Shields is some sort of upgrade? OK. :sadbanana: NcIntosh only started 13 games for Miami, and I think we all know what a juggernaut that Miami O line is. He started last season on the Miami bench. Black was a guard.... why he ever played LT is a Herm mystery.
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No. Losing Shields isn't "some sort of upgrade". It's just not that much of a downgrade.McIntosh > Black. Spin that however you wish.Keep talking up yer Jets, dude. Maybe you'll get another 27-0 beatdown when we meet next (blame that on Herm, too).
 
I'm a long time Jet fan and i can guarantee that KC fans will be calling for his head in 2 years. I sipped the Herm Kool-Aid in years one and two, but quickly discovered that the man is a fraud and will throw anyone and everyone under the bus before he takes any blame for anything. He will let the oppostion know exactly what his game plans are before the actual game. There is no playing close to the vest with this guy (IE Playoff game in which he told the whole world before the game that Larry Johnson would tote the rock 40+ times.) He also loves to run the ball no matter what the other defense is doing. They can have 11 men in the box, but good ole Herm will still pound the rock. He also loves to hear himself talk and speaks utter nonsense. Listen to his press conference and you will see what i'm talking about. Player love him cause he doesn't hold anyone accountable and his training camps are a complete joke. A Herm Edwards team will always start out slow because they weren't well prepared in camp. The list goes on and on. I can't believe Carl Peterson got duped by this dope. I also can't believe they gave a pick to actually have him coach the team. KC fans will realize soon enough the mistake they made by taking on Herm. His first victim will definately be Solari. That's guranteed.

DaTruth

 
Put me in the pile of people that think Herm Edwards is a weak coach and that this team will is going nowhere.

I'd avoid almost all KC players this year, as the only 2 of value, johnson and gonzo, will go too early.

 
I don't count opinions of NYJ fans at all in KC discussions. They seem way too offended and put off by Herm, despite several playoff appearances.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
:lmao: Even if KC has a decent defense their offense is going to be HORRID this year.
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With all your football knowledge, please tell us why...Huard 16 games > Green/Huard splitMcIntosh > BlackShields = WelbournTerry > TurleyKennison/Parker = Kennison/ParkerGonzalez = GonzalezLJ = LJLets not forget that they're probably going to add a first-round WR talent to that group.Do your worst.
 
I don't think this is about ripping Kansas City... just a factual report that should help on draft day when uninformed owners are paying full price for KC players.

The key to a success is knowing which teams aer overrated and which are underrated

 
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