Is LaDainian Tomlinson washed up? (1 Viewer)

[davearm]

There is a lot of LT hate on this board.

It stems from way back, when LT was drafted and the FBG stance was that he'd be a bust because he played at TCU, a small school. The FBG idea was that Michael Bennett was the steal, and LT would be an afterthought in a few seasons. Of course LT proved them all wrong, and so the group think was forced to acknowledge that he was good when he was dominating the league, but as soon as age started catching up, pride and ego drove people to overreact and predict a greater demise than what was realistic.

What is this "FBG stance" of hating on LT you refer to?The staff? That's flat out wrong. Most staffers were bullish on LT this year. Dodds (#7), Henry (#6), Wood (#2) and Tremblay (#2) all had LT in the elite RB range in their preseason rankings.The messageboard? That's a worthless (and probably inaccurate) generalization.

 

[cstu]

As Tomlinson bounded into the secondary, he encountered Broncos CB Andre' Goodman in the open field. The old LT2 would have ran around, through or just plain by the light-hitting Goodman. Not this LT2. Goodman made the solo tackle, preventing that huge play.

Yeah, LT was never been tackled by a CB in his prime.

 

[cstu]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

I seem to remember when he got hurt a couple years ago during the playoffs many people complaining that he was too emotionless on the sideline.

 

[SSOG]

It'd be interesting to see the run/pass split across the entire NFL given a range of "third-and" situations (and 1, and 2, and 3 or 4, and 5-10, 10+).

I bet it would tell us that in today's NFL, third down is a passing down a vast majority of the time, including third and shorts. Teams just don't run for it on third down very often anymore.

Ask and you shall receive. This data is from the 2003 season, but I doubt things have radically shifted since then. When there are 1 or 2 yards to go for a first down or TD, rushes are significantly more common than passes *AND* significantly more likely to convert than passes.

 

[Knobs]

I think a lot of people "hate" on LT because he has been such a poor playoff peformer, or non existant (sulking on the sidelines, appearing to be somewhat scared/dejected).Its kind of like the McNabb thing. If you lose a lot in big spots or dont perform in the big spots, you get a lot of people just saying, "he sucks!!! He cant win the big one. I hate that guy!!!"We build you up to break you down in fantasy and reality. You see this with a number of players. Vick, Culpepper and most of the 'running' QB's come to mind, as well as Romo, McNabb, Tomlinson, Shawn Alexander, etc, etc.Tomlinson can put a lot of this to rest with a couple of 20 pt performances the next 2 weeks, but people will keep hating because LT is no longer the girl with the curl, the new kid on the block or generally likeable to the masses. We've seen his tantrums, his failures and all the warts. Only post season winners get the benefit of the doubt from the media and middle America.

Because people don't hate either Manning? Brady is loved by all? Big Ben gets all the respect he deserves??? Belichick is a lovable guy?Really, the only semi-recent player I can think of who has had lots of post season success and is loved by everyone is Joe Montana and Jerry Rice. And those two are widely considered to be amongst the best to ever play their position, if not THE greatest.If you're a big name you'll always have people who hate you and the reasons will vary. Some more legitimate than others.

 

[cvnpoka]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

I seem to remember when he got hurt a couple years ago during the playoffs many people complaining that he was too emotionless on the sideline.

lolz. i was gonna post this exact thing but then i got sidetracked.

 

[Banger]

Big LT fan and drafted him as rookie. Traded him yesterday in a dynasty. Only player I've drafted and held for nearly their entire career.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

There is a lot of LT hate on this board.

It stems from way back, when LT was drafted and the FBG stance was that he'd be a bust because he played at TCU, a small school. The FBG idea was that Michael Bennett was the steal, and LT would be an afterthought in a few seasons. Of course LT proved them all wrong, and so the group think was forced to acknowledge that he was good when he was dominating the league, but as soon as age started catching up, pride and ego drove people to overreact and predict a greater demise than what was realistic.This was also the reason when Onterrio Smith came into the league, the FBGs all hated him, because he was a threat to Bennett, and a much better RB at that. However Smith was a headcase, but there was only one guy on here who was right that his lack of discipline would be his downfall (not me - packersfan or blueonion). Everyone else (except me) thought Smith was a non-talent.Same thing happened when Edge and RW were drafted, and the FBG think was that Edge would be the suck, and RW the GOAT. Had Edge not blown up his knee, we'll never know how good he could have been, and just how wrong FBGs were. Though RW has turned out to be a good RB.You'll see this get repeated when ADP stars wearing down toward the end of his career, as many FBGs said he was too injury prone to be successful. After 8 or 9 years when age starts catching up and he has a few minor injuries, there will be the mob "injury prone" "washed up" shouters.You even see some of it now with Felix Jones, where most FBGers were saying he wasn't that talented, and only was successful, because McFadden and the Wildcat were giving him huge running lanes. Now that he's shown he's one of the elite talents, they change their attack to him being injury prone, which he may be. But they were wrong about him only being successful because of McFadden and the "gimmick" offense.It's cyclical on here.

Wait, so you're saying that people are holding a grudge from EIGHT years ago?You realize that the vast, vast majority of people posting here now weren't here eight years ago, right?

 

[fsufan]

Big LT fan and drafted him as rookie. Traded him yesterday in a dynasty. Only player I've drafted and held for nearly their entire career.

same here, drafted him as rookie. what did you get for him?I could have traded him back in May for the 1.01 rookie pick.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

Man LT is too emotional. ESPN is recapping the game right now and they took him out on a 3rd and goal play and you see him pouting and shaking his head on the sideline and threw his helmet to the ground.Just seems he always pulls this stuff...

I seem to remember when he got hurt a couple years ago during the playoffs many people complaining that he was too emotionless on the sideline.

I would hope that a superstar would get pissed off if he was taken off the field in that situation. That team is a mess. LT has probably lost a step, but his OL isn't doing him any favors. I know this thread is 15 pages deep and all this has been said before, but good Lord people are funny. Of course he was 'pouting.' It's not like Sproles got it done either...

 

[Da Guru]

The difference is that with Marty-Ball the Chargers would run 4 straight times insode the ten if need be, that will not happen anymore. LT will get one shot, Gates, then Sproles will come in. Marty would run a sweep to LT on 4th and goal from the 4.

 

[Banger]

Big LT fan and drafted him as rookie. Traded him yesterday in a dynasty. Only player I've drafted and held for nearly their entire career.

same here, drafted him as rookie. what did you get for him?I could have traded him back in May for the 1.01 rookie pick.

I put together a package of Roth, LT and L. Washington for Gore/Coffee.

 

[ditka...mike ditka]

There is a lot of LT hate on this board.

It stems from way back, when LT was drafted and the FBG stance was that he'd be a bust because he played at TCU, a small school. The FBG idea was that Michael Bennett was the steal, and LT would be an afterthought in a few seasons. Of course LT proved them all wrong, and so the group think was forced to acknowledge that he was good when he was dominating the league, but as soon as age started catching up, pride and ego drove people to overreact and predict a greater demise than what was realistic.

What is this "FBG stance" of hating on LT you refer to?The staff? That's flat out wrong. Most staffers were bullish on LT this year. Dodds (#7), Henry (#6), Wood (#2) and Tremblay (#2) all had LT in the elite RB range in their preseason rankings.The messageboard? That's a worthless (and probably inaccurate) generalization.

I dont think you are reading this correctly. He is talking when LT was a rookie. Take that into consideration and reread what he wrote.

 

[Literary Reference]

Seems like Sproles is the one who's washed up for non-PPR purposes this year.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Let me preface this by saying LT is one of, if not my favorite player ever. I watched every snap tonight, and while he did look better than he has so far this season, he is still a shell of his former self. I made a comment to my brother that he looks like he's ready to fall over at all times. It's like he's running on broken feet or something. He simply CAN NOT break a tackle anymore, or even really make anyone miss. I love LT, and will be a fan until he hangs them up, but he's not going to dominate games like he used to ever again. The Chargers can not run block, and he's obviously lost a step or two. Still a good player, and on a different team, he could still be very good, but on this Chargers team, he is not going to be blowing anyone away any time soon. There is a perfect storm of problems for him, between his age and declining skills, the line being downright awful, and Norv Turner being a complete moron and getting way too pass happy. There were several runs tonight that a 2007 LT would have taken to the house, no question. It's just his time. He is not done yet, but he's on the way.

I agree with much of what is said here.We can all agree that LT is not nearly the gamebreaker he used to be, a guy that can carry an offense even with a suspect OL. After all these thousands of touches, he's certainly somewhat worn down and has gotten to the point where he needs help up front - doesn't have the extra gear to get around the corner.

What concerns me most, however, is that Lt doesn't seem to want to fight for extra yards like he used to. That is, when he gets hit, he seems content to fall down and end the play. One would think on a national stage with the football world incessantly proclaiming that he's done would really motivate him. Only he knows what is going on inside, but as much as his body can't do it like it used to, I don't think his heart is totally in it either.

Interesting perspective. I don't agree or disagree but it's given me something to think about. Thanks!

Huge LT fan who is about to trade for him (buying on the cheap), but I agree with the blue comments. he seems to have lost his heart. perhaps getting hit behind the LOS 90% of the time has led to this, but he needs to fight harder and he simply has not done that. It is sad to watch.

 

[nutssfan]

I agree that he is going down too easy. But it looks like he is very anxious and trying to force a big play. Like he is trying to run too fast and not in control. The patience & vision aren't there.

Let's not forget that he hasn't played in a while. there is a little bit of a rust factor. He doesn't get alot of reps in the preseason and was off the field during the injury.

The worst part about LT is his offensive line. Hudson Hauck made a great line out of a bunch of no-names at a time when San Diego was predicted to have an awful O-line.

The Oline has been in decline since he left. Just look at Marcus McNeill. The dude was a beast as a rookie. Now, not so much.

 

[Fat Nick]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...

Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

 

[Sabertooth]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

Boo freaking hoo. Didn't you read the CDC reports stating that the flu would be bad this season? Don't blame LT2 for your lack of preparation.

 

[Banger]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

Boo freaking hoo. Didn't you read the CDC reports stating that the flu would be bad this season? Don't blame LT2 for your lack of preparation.

great point...any good FF owner got flu shots for their team.

 

[Sabertooth]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

Boo freaking hoo. Didn't you read the CDC reports stating that the flu would be bad this season? Don't blame LT2 for your lack of preparation.

great point...any good FF owner got flu shots for their team.

I won't draft a guy without a thorough verification of his medical records.

 

[FantasyMan]

Seems like Sproles is the one who's washed up for non-PPR purposes this year.

I see nothing wrong with LT either. He looked quick and ran hard. Not washed up at all. No lingering affects of his injury. If you can get him do it now before it's too late.

 

[Banger]

Seems like Sproles is the one who's washed up for non-PPR purposes this year.

I see nothing wrong with LT either. He looked quick and ran hard. Not washed up at all. No lingering affects of his injury. If you can get him do it now before it's too late.

I don't know...I'm as huge an LT fan as there is and my expectations are reasonable. I take into account how the game impacts/limits the carries, the lack of holes and injury situation on the offensive line and the strength of the opponent when evaluating performance. I basically predicted the exact number of carries and total yards (I think I was off by 5) that he would get before the game. I'm about as pro LT, give him the benefit of the doubt (because he deserves it) as they come. There was one play that stuck out in my mind in the game that really crystalized my opinion on him and it was when he broke through the line and was one on one with the CB I believe and when I saw him running for a second or two I thought it was the fullback. Then I saw it was him and he was tackled in the open field. That to me said his open field explosion is gone. I also noticed he's being hit a lot more when fighting for that extra yardage. In the past he was a magician at avoiding contact except for maybe a few plays a game and that's no longer the case (which is why he's getting more dinged up). I think he'll be fine this year. I think he'll be a lot more productive than the many haters in this thread that want to see him fail. They've been circling for 3+ years waiting for their day. It's not there yet as he still has his hop step, he's on a great offense, he's got a great schedule the rest of the way, he's a much better RB than anyone else on the roster, and he's smart and can maximize his yardage with his body lean but that open field explosion is gone. After I saw that I packaged him the next day (in a keeper league). I'd be buying in redraft.

 

[JuSt CuZ]

AGAIN!!!!

When healthy, when has LT not perform?

I am certain he will be very mad if he dont get 1000 yards this year, he still has the heart....He will end up with it, barring another injury!

LT will and always be a beast when healthy, If he was in a wheel chair I would still start him over half the bums in the league!

But personally I dont think he lost a step, he lost the love from a head coach saying give it to LT almost every play!

 

[Fat Nick]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

Boo freaking hoo. Didn't you read the CDC reports stating that the flu would be bad this season? Don't blame LT2 for your lack of preparation.

You're right. I completely left the "immune to H1N1?" column off my custom cheat sheet.My point is that every week there's a reason why LT2 doesn't perform. Week 1: Ankle...finally gets back last week, and it's "Tough Denver D, he'll go off against KC." Now it'll be "He had the Flu against KC." I've never hated a #1 pick so badly.

 

[Moniker]

LT and many of the Chargers apparently have the flu...Add that to the excuses about why LT will suck this week against the Chiefs. I drafted him at 1-7, and I started him for week 1 only. He's been occupying a spot on my bench, and falls into the "Too good to cut, too bad to start," category. I've been happy starting a rotation of R. Rice, P. Thomas, S. Slaton, and M. Lynch. With Rice on his bye, I was going to start LT till I found out about his flu.

Boo freaking hoo. Didn't you read the CDC reports stating that the flu would be bad this season? Don't blame LT2 for your lack of preparation.

You're right. I completely left the "immune to H1N1?" column off my custom cheat sheet.My point is that every week there's a reason why LT2 doesn't perform. Week 1: Ankle...finally gets back last week, and it's "Tough Denver D, he'll go off against KC." Now it'll be "He had the Flu against KC." I've never hated a #1 pick so badly.

The ankle and the Denver D I'll buy. I wouldn't be worried about the flu, though. He'll play and he'll play well. LT looks good and I'd be surprised if he didn't finish the season still with at least 1000/10.

 

[Maroney=Sped]

Wait, so you're saying that people are holding a grudge from EIGHT years ago?

You realize that the vast, vast majority of people posting here now weren't here eight years ago, right?

You do realize that the vast majority of posters hare are really furley aliases, right?

 

[Knobs]

1000 yards and 10 td's? Total or rushing yards?

 

[Steelers4Life]

In a 14 team dynasty league where I have a very good, young team, I just traded my 2011 first round pick and Mike Wallace to get him. It's a league where you can start up to 4 RBs per week and he'll be my RB4, but there's always a place on my roster for guys like him. He's not LT from 5 years ago anymore, but he doesn't have to be that good to have solid value. Even if he's only a RB2 for a couple more years, that has value in ANY league, and to me, it's worth getting that kind of production for 1st round pick that's later in the round. Those picks are normally very hit or miss anyways.

He was somewhat productive against a pretty tough Broncos defense, and the TDs will come.

 

[cstu]

I have a gut feeling that LT has a huge game against the Chiefs and don't expect the flu to hinder much at all.

 

[mystykoekaki]

I have a gut feeling that LT has a huge game against the Chiefs and don't expect the flu to hinder much at all.

He won't do ####.

 

[norgay]

I've always liked LT because I drafted him his rookie year while everyone laughed at me that Bennett was the rookie to have that year and he made me look like a genius. That said, I've often wondered how much of his success he owes to Lorenzo Neal. I don't get to watch much Chargers games so I don't have a strong opinion on this -- all I can do is look at stats -- Neal was with the Chargers from 2003-2007. Here are LTs rushing stats from 2001-2009:

Year G Att Yards TD Fum Avg

2001 16 339 1,236 10 8 3.1

2002 16 372 1,283 14 3 4.5

2003 16 313 1,645 13 2 5.3

2004 15 339 1,335 17 6 3.9

2005 16 339 1,462 18 3 4.3

2006 16 348 1,815 28 2 5.2

2007 16 315 1,474 15 -- 4.7

2008 16 292 1,110 11 1 3.8

2009 3 38 140 1 1 3.7

It certainly looks like his stats were best during those years but one would expect that anyway because those were LTs peak years. Anyone who knows Charger football have an opinion on this?

 

[Moniker]

1000 yards and 10 td's? Total or rushing yards?

Rushing yards.

 

[Sweetness_34]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

 

[Avery]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

I don't think anybody said he was never going to have a good run or a good game again but congrats on hovering and waiting to post on his first good run... against KC.

 

[Dought Man]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

 

[Chaos Commish]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

Another phantom tackle and this one inside the five with a clear lane to endzone. That's four times in two games he's been tripped by his own line while heading for a huge hole. He's pressing and he's leaving a lot of yards on the field and probably a couple scores. I don't think he's washed up, but he sure isn't seeing the field the way he used, making the most of the holes he's given, and producing big for fantasy teams. I hope that changes very soon.

 

[Ghost Rider]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite.

I think anyone who actually watches the game knows he is no longer elite anymore. But he isn't washed up, either. He doesn't have the burst or explosion he used to, but he is still a good RB, capable of putting up good (see: not great) numbers.

 

[Sweetness_34]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

 

[fsufan]

60 yards in the 1Q, i am happy with that

 

[Avery]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

1-2-KC2 (11:59) L.Tomlinson left tackle to KC 2 for no gain (J.Belcher).2-2-KC2 (11:18) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to A.Gates (T.Jackson).

PENALTY on KC-T.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at KC 2 - No Play.

1-1-KC1 (11:13) L.Tomlinson up the middle to KC 1 for no gain (C.Mays).

2-1-KC1 (10:39) L.Tomlinson left end to KC 2 for -1 yards (R.Edwards).

Impressive...

 

[BigBee28]

My god.. 1st and goal at the 1 and LT cant get in.. Excuse me while I go vomit

 

[p00h]

My god.. 1st and goal at the 1 and LT cant get in.. Excuse me while I go vomit

feeling better now?!??

 

[cstu]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

1-2-KC2 (11:59) L.Tomlinson left tackle to KC 2 for no gain (J.Belcher).2-2-KC2 (11:18) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to A.Gates (T.Jackson).

PENALTY on KC-T.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at KC 2 - No Play.

1-1-KC1 (11:13) L.Tomlinson up the middle to KC 1 for no gain (C.Mays).

2-1-KC1 (10:39) L.Tomlinson left end to KC 2 for -1 yards (R.Edwards).

Impressive...

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

 

[fsufan]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

1-2-KC2 (11:59) L.Tomlinson left tackle to KC 2 for no gain (J.Belcher).2-2-KC2 (11:18) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to A.Gates (T.Jackson).

PENALTY on KC-T.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at KC 2 - No Play.

1-1-KC1 (11:13) L.Tomlinson up the middle to KC 1 for no gain (C.Mays).

2-1-KC1 (10:39) L.Tomlinson left end to KC 2 for -1 yards (R.Edwards).

Impressive...

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

1-2-KC2 (11:59) L.Tomlinson left tackle to KC 2 for no gain (J.Belcher).2-2-KC2 (11:18) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to A.Gates (T.Jackson).

PENALTY on KC-T.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at KC 2 - No Play.

1-1-KC1 (11:13) L.Tomlinson up the middle to KC 1 for no gain (C.Mays).

2-1-KC1 (10:39) L.Tomlinson left end to KC 2 for -1 yards (R.Edwards).

Impressive...

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

I was going to post just about the exact same thing, right down to naming Adrian Peterson as the comparison.

 

[Avery]

36 yard run today already; 3 carries 41 yards.... so washed up

people posting like this is a clear indication that LT is no longer even close to elite. We get excited with a couple good runs against KC now. :yikes:

People like you show you have no clue what is being discussed....it was about whether LT is washed up. Reading comprehension 101....

1-2-KC2 (11:59) L.Tomlinson left tackle to KC 2 for no gain (J.Belcher).2-2-KC2 (11:18) P.Rivers pass incomplete short right to A.Gates (T.Jackson).

PENALTY on KC-T.Jackson, Defensive Pass Interference, 1 yard, enforced at KC 2 - No Play.

1-1-KC1 (11:13) L.Tomlinson up the middle to KC 1 for no gain (C.Mays).

2-1-KC1 (10:39) L.Tomlinson left end to KC 2 for -1 yards (R.Edwards).

Impressive...

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

Either you can credit LT for getting 41 yards on 3 carries and penalize him for not punching it in at the goal line or neither but you can't have it both ways and pick and choose where to credit LT and where to blame his OL for his ineptitude.

 

[Moniker]

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

Either you can credit LT for getting 41 yards on 3 carries and penalize him for not punching it in at the goal line or neither but you can't have it both ways and pick and choose where to credit LT and where to blame his OL for his ineptitude.

Sure you can. Those runs are in two totally different situations. There is neither room nor time at the goal line to create your own hole.

 

[Avery]

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

Either you can credit LT for getting 41 yards on 3 carries and penalize him for not punching it in at the goal line or neither but you can't have it both ways and pick and choose where to credit LT and where to blame his OL for his ineptitude.

Sure you can. Those runs are in two totally different situations. There is neither room nor time at the goal line to create your own hole.

So you're saying when the OL can make a hole for LT he can get positive yards but he's no longer capable of "making his own hay" and making a guy miss? Sounds pretty average to me...

 

[sho nuff]

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

Either you can credit LT for getting 41 yards on 3 carries and penalize him for not punching it in at the goal line or neither but you can't have it both ways and pick and choose where to credit LT and where to blame his OL for his ineptitude.

Sure you can. Those runs are in two totally different situations. There is neither room nor time at the goal line to create your own hole.

So you're saying when the OL can make a hole for LT he can get positive yards but he's no longer capable of "making his own hay" and making a guy miss? Sounds pretty average to me...

Try watching the game next time...rather than just cutting and pasting a box score.

 

[Avery]

Did you see a hole on ANY of those plays? LT isn't what he used to be, but not even Peterson is scoring behind that OL.

Either you can credit LT for getting 41 yards on 3 carries and penalize him for not punching it in at the goal line or neither but you can't have it both ways and pick and choose where to credit LT and where to blame his OL for his ineptitude.

Sure you can. Those runs are in two totally different situations. There is neither room nor time at the goal line to create your own hole.

So you're saying when the OL can make a hole for LT he can get positive yards but he's no longer capable of "making his own hay" and making a guy miss? Sounds pretty average to me...

Try watching the game next time...rather than just cutting and pasting a box score.

How about try contributing to the thread?LT at this point looks like a solid, workman like back to me.

Give him a good hole and he'll find it and run through it but he's not making many guys miss, stiff arming guys or jumping over the pile anymore.

Edit to add: If you want to send me a check for the "NFL ticket" I'll be happy to watch every game and report to you what I see every week. Until then, I'll watch what I can live and watch highlight shows and search the net for the rest if that's OK with you.