Is Musk now dead to the left? (1 Viewer)

[supermike80]

I've always seen Elon as kind of a hero for the left..especially with his electric vehicles.

But now his open defiance of the order to restrict opening his plant, kind of aligns him with the right that want to get back to work.

If you were an Elon fan in the past has he now become dead to you?  

 

[timschochet]

Something like 80% of Americans believe in maintaining the shelter in place until it’s safe to do otherwise. This isn’t a left vs right issue. 

 

[supermike80]

Something like 80% of Americans believe in maintaining the shelter in place until it’s safe to do otherwise. This isn’t a left vs right issue. 

You forgot "FULL STOP"

Do you want to answer the question?

 

[timschochet]

You forgot "FULL STOP"

Do you want to answer the question?

No. The question is irrelevant because “the left” isn’t behind the shelter in place. It’s not a political position for most of us (and by us I mean Americans). 

 

[supermike80]

No. The question is irrelevant because “the left” isn’t behind the shelter in place. It’s not a political position for most of us (and by us I mean Americans). 

Ok thanks for your thoughts.  

 

[parasaurolophus]

Something like 80% of Americans believe in maintaining the shelter in place until it’s safe to do otherwise. This isn’t a left vs right issue. 

Is this current? 

 

[supermike80]

Is this current? 

One thing I have learned here is as a rule, he is wrong almost constantly about politics, political opinion, and anything related to that.

 

[timschochet]

Is this current? 

As of a couple of days ago, 71% agree with going slowly. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/05/12/2-big-warning-signs-trump-new-coronavirus-poll-signs-he-doesnt-seem-want-see/%3foutputType=amp

I suspect Dr. Fauci’s testimony from yesterday will increase that percentage or at least maintain it but we’ll see. 

 

[Stealthycat]

I didn't know Musk leaned left or right, I figured electric = money and that was his motivation !!

just like getting back to work - money is the motivation

 

[supermike80]

So nobody here has heard or has had discussions about how it seems only the terrible republicans want to go back to work and put everyone's lives at risk?  

You guys are a crack up.

 

[belljr]

I don't think anyone actually likes Musk

 

[moleculo]

I've always seen Elon as kind of a hero for the left..especially with his electric vehicles.

But now his open defiance of the order to restrict opening his plant, kind of aligns him with the right that want to get back to work.

If you were an Elon fan in the past has he now become dead to you?  

believe it or not, many people have nuanced belief systems.

 

[supermike80]

believe it or not, many people have nuanced belief systems.

They do?  What do you mean?

 

[moleculo]

They do?  What do you mean?

some people are capable of liking person A even if they do B.  Or, people can appreciate a person holding belief A but not belief B.  Not everyone falls into neat "conservative" or "liberal" buckets 100% of the time - that's what happens when you think for yourself and don't completely immerse  in partisan ideology.  

I understand this is hard for some folks to grasp.

 

[supermike80]

some people are capable of liking person A even if they do B.  Or, people can appreciate a person holding belief A but not belief B.  Not everyone falls into neat "conservative" or "liberal" buckets 100% of the time - that's what happens when you think for yourself and don't completely immerse  in partisan ideology.  

I understand this is hard for some folks to grasp.

Can you help explain?  I have never heard this before.  So if would please lay that out a little more I'd appreciate it.

I think everyone would actually.

 

[moleculo]

Can you help explain?  I have never heard this before.  So if would please lay that out a little more I'd appreciate it.

I think everyone would actually.

Nope.

 

[Skoo]

Can you help explain?  I have never heard this before.  So if would please lay that out a little more I'd appreciate it.

I think everyone would actually.

Some liberals like country music.

Some conservatives like the Grateful Dead.

 

[supermike80]

Some liberals like country music.

Some conservatives like the Grateful Dead.

So what does that mean exactly?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I don't think anyone actually likes Musk

He comes across as a pretty unlikeable person.

I do like some of the projects he is involved in - SpaceX, Tesla, even the high speed rail.  But, as a person, he seems like an egotistical jackass.

 

[Skoo]

So what does that mean exactly?

Everyone is different.

Just because you're a liberal or conservative, that doesn't mean you also like or support X, Y, or Z.

 

[supermike80]

Everyone is different.

Just because you're a liberal or conservative, that doesn't mean you also like or support X, Y, or Z.

It doesn't? This is new information.  Wish you guys would explain this.

 

[Jobber]

He comes across as a pretty unlikeable person.

I do like some of the projects he is involved in - SpaceX, Tesla, even the high speed rail.  But, as a person, he seems like an egotistical jackass.

This is my take as well. The "left" has disliked the man for a very long time, if one were paying attention. He's been anti-union and hard on his workforce. I love his companies, and believe that they are single handedly pulling the world into the 21st century when it comes to automotive and space flight. But yeah, he's a world class toolbox.

 

[Skoo]

It doesn't? This is new information.  Wish you guys would explain this.

Ahh, just some morning trolling.

Have a good one.

 

[Drunken Cowboy]

I think his baby's name is a dealbreaker. 

 

[supermike80]

Ahh, just some morning trolling.

Have a good one.

Well come on.   Are you guys THAT smug that you think people don't know this?  Good gracious.  Stop trying to be an educator and just answer the question.  

I wasn't trolling..I asked a real question and then you guys actually think you are so smart that you can tell someone just cause you are left it doesn't mean you believe in only the left?  I mean really?

 

[parasaurolophus]

One thing I have learned here is as a rule, he is wrong almost constantly about politics, political opinion, and anything related to that.

Well he was mostly right there. Not going to quibble over 74% vs 80%. Either is higher than I thought it would be. 

 

[supermike80]

Well he was mostly right there. Not going to quibble over 74% vs 80%. Either is higher than I thought it would be. 

Its a washington Post poll.  Tim only cites polls from the left.  I am absolutely certain I could find a poll saying the opposite..

But I dont believe in polls at all...so this is a waste of time

 

[HellToupee]

Something like 80% of Americans believe in maintaining the shelter in place until it’s safe to do otherwise. This isn’t a left vs right issue. 

He has a plant a couple of miles away running 24/7 all during the shutdown. 

 

[Tolstoy]

brilliant guy. Love his cars.  I think he’s wrong in this instance.

 

[moleculo]

Well come on.   Are you guys THAT smug that you think people don't know this?  Good gracious.  Stop trying to be an educator and just answer the question.  

I wasn't trolling..I asked a real question and then you guys actually think you are so smart that you can tell someone just cause you are left it doesn't mean you believe in only the left?  I mean really?

Isn't that exactly what you were insiuating?  Isn't that exactly the point of this thread?  

This  is 100% trolling.  Just own it.

 

[Juxtatarot]

I haven't been following this story super closely, but if a factory can keep employees socially distant and/or strategically use masks, I think we should let them open.

 

[sho nuff]

So nobody here has heard or has had discussions about how it seems only the terrible republicans want to go back to work and put everyone's lives at risk?  

You guys are a crack up.

It quite clearly seems its more the right claiming the left wants to hold everyone back to hurt Trump.  It seems quite clear Trump and the right are making it more of a political issue than the other way around.

Yes...thanks for my thoughts and whatever other dismissive response you have ready to go...

 

[sho nuff]

This is my take as well. The "left" has disliked the man for a very long time, if one were paying attention. He's been anti-union and hard on his workforce. I love his companies, and believe that they are single handedly pulling the world into the 21st century when it comes to automotive and space flight. But yeah, he's a world class toolbox.

The Truck unveiling was awesome.  Look at this unbreakable glass...oops.

 

[supermike80]

Isn't that exactly what you were insiuating?  Isn't that exactly the point of this thread?  

This  is 100% trolling.  Just own it.

No It was a legit question.   I was curious what the left felt about Musk.  Not a troll.  Understanding, of course, that when someone asks this board for an opinion of what the left thinks, this has a tendency to anger many here.   

 

[Bucsfan5493]

I never really had a strong opinion on him, but the way he's acted during COVID has made me not think highly of him. He has downplayed the virus from the start and made awful predictions such as there would be 0 new cases in the US by the end of April. Now I think he's just trying to double down by making a public outcry about needing to open his 'essential' business, which I don't think is essential at all. And to top it all off, this guy could very easily make his employees right and pay them out until things get back to normal. Musk is worth $36.8B and Tesla has 48,016 employees. He could give every employee $500K if he wanted to and he'd still have over $10B.

 

[msudaisy26]

No It was a legit question.   I was curious what the left felt about Musk.  Not a troll.  Understanding, of course, that when someone asks this board for an opinion of what the left thinks, this has a tendency to anger many here.   

The double down!

 

[JbizzleMan]

Or you can just create a poll and ask posters from either side of the political spectrum their thoughts. Although, that wouldn't garner the reaction you're getting. Oh crap... I'm not helping. 

 

[supermike80]

Or you can just create a poll and ask posters from either side of the political spectrum their thoughts. Although, that wouldn't garner the reaction you're getting. Oh crap... I'm not helping. 

I don't do polls.  

 

[supermike80]

The double down!

I'm sorry.  Did that upset you?

 

[msudaisy26]

I'm sorry.  Did that upset you?

Triple!!! Do I hear a quadruple?

 

[supermike80]

Triple!!! Do I hear a quadruple?

I dont understand.

 

[Thunderlips]

I thought Elon Musk dies at the Battle of Geonosis in Attack of the Clones?  Why would I hate him?

 

[The General]

I think he’s wrong about this. He has a blind spot here IMO. He thought we’d have no new cases by end of April.

He is a helluva project manager. Built a great car and electric charging network. The rockets are also very cool.

He just did a 2+ hour Joe Rogan podcast where he talks about the government quite a bit along with one of his new projects to insert objects into the skull and brain where he’ll sell upgrades (like his cars).

I had never heard him talk really prior to listening to that. Rogan, as he always does, fawns all over him and never challenges him on anything. The government stuff is towards the second half of the interview. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

I never really had a strong opinion on him, but the way he's acted during COVID has made me not think highly of him. He has downplayed the virus from the start and made awful predictions such as there would be 0 new cases in the US by the end of April. Now I think he's just trying to double down by making a public outcry about needing to open his 'essential' business, which I don't think is essential at all. And to top it all off, this guy could very easily make his employees right and pay them out until things get back to normal. Musk is worth $36.8B and Tesla has 48,016 employees. He could give every employee $500K if he wanted to and he'd still have over $10B.

In the Thai cave rescue - he showed an ugly side.  His submersible machine was rejected by the rescue teams, and he proceeded to call one of the rescue divers a pedophile.  (He has since lost a defamation case on that matter).

He has always been an odd duck - but he makes cool ####, so we (society) generally puts up with his antics, like smoking dope on one of Rogan's podcasts, and running afoul of SEC regulations related to public companies and public comments.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I thought it was an interesting topic, but there's clearly an undercurrent going on here.  Ignoring that...

As far as polling, my sense talking to people is most support stay at home, but it's definitely a topic that you can push results to one side : "open business that can safely operate" and "stay home until things are safe" are both going to poll well.

Turning to Musk, he definitely has an iconoclastic streak, which along with his intelligence makes him interesting.  Of course, if you go against the crowd repeatedly, almost certainly some of your positions will move into crackpot territory.  I listened to most of the aforementioned Rogan podcast and I think he vastly overestimates how willing people are going to be to have their skulls drilled into.  He also has a very odd speaking style - I'm surprised his business ventures haven't been more hindered by it.

 

[Chaz McNulty]

I've always seen Elon as kind of a hero for the left..especially with his electric vehicles.

But now his open defiance of the order to restrict opening his plant, kind of aligns him with the right that want to get back to work.

If you were an Elon fan in the past has he now become dead to you?  

I'm not sure he was a hero to the left.  I think he falls somewhere in the middle (he marches to his own tune).  Maybe the right didn't like him because he was creating something that was getting the world off of fossil fuels?  Perhaps that's where your notion of him being a hero to the left comes from?  Your idea of "the right dislikes him, so he must be a hero to the left" really interests me and we should probably explore it further.

 

[supermike80]

I'm not sure he was a hero to the left.  I think he falls somewhere in the middle (he marches to his own tune).  Maybe the right didn't like him because he was creating something that was getting the world off of fossil fuels?  Perhaps that's where your notion of him being a hero to the left comes from?  Your idea of "the right dislikes him, so he must be a hero to the left" really interests me and we should probably explore it further.

Oh I don't know if the right dislikes him. I don't think I said that?  

And I like your avatar

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I'm not sure he was a hero to the left.  I think he falls somewhere in the middle (he marches to his own tune).  Maybe the right didn't like him because he was creating something that was getting the world off of fossil fuels?  Perhaps that's where your notion of him being a hero to the left comes from?  Your idea of "the right dislikes him, so he must be a hero to the left" really interests me and we should probably explore it further.

Don't want to speak for the OP, but I suspect that it's probably his general association with Tech and Silicon Valley.  Twitter and Google in particular seem to be considered left wing by those on the right wing, and I suspect that general impression gets spread to most of the major tech companies.  There's definitely a cult of personality associated with Elon, but I'm not sure I would consider it skewing particularly left wing.

To me, the latest Musk thing reminds me a lot of the Kanye stuff - an independent minded individual somewhat unexpectedly echoing points made by the right.  They even both gave their kids bizarre names.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

supersealion80 back at it again with the white vans

 

[rockaction]

supersealion80 back at it again with the white vans

They can also be black just with the message in whiteout. Seen that before. Very striking. Very newslettery. I very much approved.