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Is Now the Time to Sell Calvin Johnson? (1 Viewer)
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lod01
Footballguy
Yeah, wasn't too hard to figure out. I suspected it before Matt Stafford said that he didn't even look Calvin's way last week because the safety was running towards Calvin at the snap of the ball. Stafford confirmed it. It has zero to do with is perceived (by some) decline. That was comical and ridiculous.
This past game made it even more likely that Calvin gets few balls thrown his way and just about zero chance he sees a ball thrown to him in the endzone. Caldwell won't do it as long as this is working...which it does against horrible defenses.
lod01
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
CalBear
Footballguy
He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
georg013
Footballguy
CSTU, you have been thinking about me, havent you? Put down the newspaper from 50 First Dates because its an oldie. Had you visited the thread lately you would find that I'd since shed that skin. Here are my most recent comments before the retirement rumors started:
I typically disagree with most of what you say but man is this true. I was the one making crazy statements "Calvin is different. He will always be the top guy until age 3?" with ? = however long I need him. But once I moved him, I was able to see the decline clearly. Some of the wishful thinking in here is sad. I know its hard to accept but the fact remains that father time is undefeated. Even for Transformers that turn into vending machines. He is no longer a WR1. He is a high end WR2 on a good day. I never thought I would say that. I owned him during his best years. RIP big fella. Moral of the story? Quit getting caught up in your feelings for these players. Stay ahead of the curve.
Ha! I won! Sucker!
cstu
Footballguy
Not the greatest haul, but Decker actually outperformed Calvin on PPG basis this year and Eifert was the #5 TE in PPG.
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cstu
Footballguy
Could have got a number of young WR's for Calvin before the season Cooks, Hopkins, A. Robinson, Watkins, Cooper, etc.CalBear said:He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.cstu said:
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
CalBear
Footballguy
Crazy talk. No dynasty owner would have sold Hopkins, Watkins, or Cooper for Calvin before this season. Maybe Cooks. Probably Robinson, but Robinson was a pretty iffy pick prior to this year.Could have got a number of young WR's for Calvin before the season Cooks, Hopkins, A. Robinson, Watkins, Cooper, etc.CalBear said:He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.cstu said:
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
cstu
Footballguy
Check the DLF rankings from that time. People still believed in Calvin before the season started.Crazy talk. No dynasty owner would have sold Hopkins, Watkins, or Cooper for Calvin before this season. Maybe Cooks. Probably Robinson, but Robinson was a pretty iffy pick prior to this year.Could have got a number of young WR's for Calvin before the season Cooks, Hopkins, A. Robinson, Watkins, Cooper, etc.CalBear said:He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.cstu said:
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
CalBear
Footballguy
Well, I would say that in a dynasty, if you could have traded Calvin Johnson for Deandre Hopkins, who at age 22 scored one point less than Johnson in 2014, you probably should have done that.Check the DLF rankings from that time. People still believed in Calvin before the season started.Crazy talk. No dynasty owner would have sold Hopkins, Watkins, or Cooper for Calvin before this season. Maybe Cooks. Probably Robinson, but Robinson was a pretty iffy pick prior to this year.Could have got a number of young WR's for Calvin before the season Cooks, Hopkins, A. Robinson, Watkins, Cooper, etc.CalBear said:He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.cstu said:
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
But I don't think you could have. I think a lot more likely trades would have been for guys who have a low probability of ever having a top-10 fantasy season like Johnson just did in 2015. And if Johnson doesn't retire, he probably has two or three more top-10 seasons in him.
Warhogs
Footballguy
tone1oc
Footballguy
If the Lions did release him they would gain just over $11M in cap space, but that would include almost $13M in dead money for 2016. Currently they have ~$20M in cap space for 2016, with 23 free agents on their roster. They absolutely could cut him, but it's hard to build a team with that much dead money (accounts for almost 10% of cap) to start the offseason.
The guy is understandably jaded. Between the injuries, the weekly beating he routinely gets in multiple coverage, and the overall mightily depressing results on the field for a decade, it's hardly possible to keep the enthusiasm up. So no wonder he feels like calling it a day.
That said, no way he retires. He is too much of a competitor to just walk away without even having had a shot a playoff run. The more likely outcome for me is he reaches a deal with the Lions to cut him or trade him in a financially engineered way that minimizes the cap damage to all parties involved.
If I were the Patriots, I would be sniffing around.
That said, no way he retires. He is too much of a competitor to just walk away without even having had a shot a playoff run. The more likely outcome for me is he reaches a deal with the Lions to cut him or trade him in a financially engineered way that minimizes the cap damage to all parties involved.
If I were the Patriots, I would be sniffing around.
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
Traded him preseason for Breshard Perriman and 2 firsts. Consider it a win
JohnnyU
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I would buy him cheap right now if I could.
Season just ended, this is the time where guys are hurting and want to retire. 16 million. One more year. I can easily see him say to himself "lets do a fairwell tour one more year for 16 million".
It would not be the slightest bit surprising to see him change his mind when the season is closing in.
However if he plays, I would trade him again at the start of the season cause I can also see him playing half assed or missing games with "injuries"
Season just ended, this is the time where guys are hurting and want to retire. 16 million. One more year. I can easily see him say to himself "lets do a fairwell tour one more year for 16 million".
It would not be the slightest bit surprising to see him change his mind when the season is closing in.
However if he plays, I would trade him again at the start of the season cause I can also see him playing half assed or missing games with "injuries"
I own Calvin in one league, nobody would trade you any of those guys for Calvin. For example, I went hard after Cooper, 1.01 owner wanted Calvin plus my future first. If only I had known Calvin was gonna pull a Barry.Well, I would say that in a dynasty, if you could have traded Calvin Johnson for Deandre Hopkins, who at age 22 scored one point less than Johnson in 2014, you probably should have done that.Check the DLF rankings from that time. People still believed in Calvin before the season started.Crazy talk. No dynasty owner would have sold Hopkins, Watkins, or Cooper for Calvin before this season. Maybe Cooks. Probably Robinson, but Robinson was a pretty iffy pick prior to this year.Could have got a number of young WR's for Calvin before the season Cooks, Hopkins, A. Robinson, Watkins, Cooper, etc.He finished as the #10 WR. 10 points ahead of Demaryius Thomas. Do you think you could have traded Calvin for Demaryius in a dynasty at the beginning of this year? No. Or any younger WR who finished ahead of him? Maybe Doug Baldwin, who scored 15 more points; other than that, no.
So the post you're quoting is correct; anyone who sold Calvin missed out on a top-10 season, and didn't get one in return. Probably won't get one next year either.
But I don't think you could have. I think a lot more likely trades would have been for guys who have a low probability of ever having a top-10 fantasy season like Johnson just did in 2015. And if Johnson doesn't retire, he probably has two or three more top-10 seasons in him.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Yes, yes it is.
