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Is Randy Moss finished as a fantasy starter? (1 Viewer)

One possibility is that he's being covered by Miami's best corner and Brady is able to find other people open a lot more.
not good enough. if moss is still a premium talent they should force it to him and allow him to make something happen.which of course won't happen now that they have a huge lead.he won't get more than 1 catch tonight
I think I lost IQ points reading this... :goodposting: A multi-SB, championship team with one of the most talented coaches in the league, one of the most talented QBs in the league, with several offensive weapons and you expect them to *force* the ball to one guy all night?Whatever you're smokin', I want some.The one I'm shocked with is Hernandez's 5/29 line. Considering Miami has been one of the poorest teams in the league defending TE's dating back to last year, I expected most of the damage to come from Hernandez tonight, not Moss.
 
He's in a contract year, and he wants to get paid. C'mon guys.. He wants to put up huge numbers this year to position himself for his last big payday, and I'm sure Brady knows it. There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role. He will be fine as the season goes on.. Think about defenses planning for the Pats going forward. Can they really roll coverage Randy's way when so much damage can be done with so many other guys i.e. Welker, Hernandez, Green-Ellis, Tate etc...?

 
Problem is- Moss is too good and explosive to bench unless you have a deep WR Corps.... but how long can you wait for him to bust out?

All the reports out of camp was he looked amazing. He has looked good on several td grabs so far, but he's just not getting targets.. It doesn't make sense, but a little of it is circumstance. The lack of targets in the 1st half was weird, but the second half was just one of those times where a team piled up so many pts on defense and special teams- there was hardly a need to throw it- esp to the deep big play threat.

One way to look at it is elite players usually get their numbers when it's all said and done at the end of the year.. there have been plenty of players who have had bad stretches, turned it on and at the end of the year- it looked like a normal year from them.. Even if Moss drops from his basic 80-85 catch season to 70-75-- that means around 60-65 catches over the next 12 games.. it's doable..

Several years ago, Marvin Harrison went through a 6 or 7 game stretch where not only was he not getting numbers, but looked bad. All the talk was Wayne had passed him.. I traded for him before a Monday night game and he went off-- from that point on- he literly was on fire and put up huge #'s.. There was no explanation for it other than eventually he got going.. I'm really hoping this happens with moss.

 
There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role.
The point that's being lost here is that it isn't just about tonight. This isn't a one-game The Sky Is Falling Thread. Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games. He has never had a three-game stretch with this few receptions in his entire career. Could he turn things around? Absolutely. In my opinion he's still a very talented player and arguably the premier big-play WR in the league. But facts are facts. He ranks well outside the Top 50 in receptions. He has caught two passes or fewer in every game but one and he hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in nearly a full season's worth of games dating back to last season. I grant you that every player goes through tough times. But how many Top 15 picks (which Moss was this year) have had a stretch like this? How many Top 5 WRs (which Moss was) are on pace to catch fewer than 40 passes this season? If you put all this together it makes for a legitimate topic to discuss in my opinion. Perhaps it means Moss is the ultimate Buy Low. Perhaps it means the Patriots will come out of the bye with a renewed effort to get him the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that he has not lived up to his draft status thus far and the season is now 1/4 over.
 
He's in a contract year, and he wants to get paid. C'mon guys.. He wants to put up huge numbers this year to position himself for his last big payday, and I'm sure Brady knows it. There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role. He will be fine as the season goes on.. Think about defenses planning for the Pats going forward. Can they really roll coverage Randy's way when so much damage can be done with so many other guys i.e. Welker, Hernandez, Green-Ellis, Tate etc...?
i drafted him because of the contract year factor. i didn't anticipate the pissy attitude, poor body language and complaining about his contract. What happened to playing big, getting paid, then tanking, like Shaun Alexander and many before him.Maybe Moss knew he was washed and complained to try to get money early... because at his pace he won't get premium dollars from anyone let alone the pats
 
Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games.
wat?that cant be right.

its happened only 6 times in 52 games with the Patriots.

And he is on a current 3 game streak.

* He has also gone 11 straight games (incl playoffs) without getting more then 75 yards.

 
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There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role.
The point that's being lost here is that it isn't just about tonight. This isn't a one-game The Sky Is Falling Thread. Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games. He has never had a three-game stretch with this few receptions in his entire career. Could he turn things around? Absolutely. In my opinion he's still a very talented player and arguably the premier big-play WR in the league. But facts are facts. He ranks well outside the Top 50 in receptions. He has caught two passes or fewer in every game but one and he hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in nearly a full season's worth of games dating back to last season. I grant you that every player goes through tough times. But how many Top 15 picks (which Moss was this year) have had a stretch like this? How many Top 5 WRs (which Moss was) are on pace to catch fewer than 40 passes this season? If you put all this together it makes for a legitimate topic to discuss in my opinion. Perhaps it means Moss is the ultimate Buy Low. Perhaps it means the Patriots will come out of the bye with a renewed effort to get him the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that he has not lived up to his draft status thus far and the season is now 1/4 over.
I think it's a valid discussion, but there's no doubt that people are overreacting to a stud wr off to a slow start. Especially when you compare this start to the way he started last year. But tonight, I believe he was just a victim of circumstances. The D/ST performed tonight at a level that they weren't looking for big plays, so that took him out of the equation. I feel confident that he will be fine and finish the season with top 10 numbers. This is his last chance for a big contract, and money is the biggest motivator for these guys, despite what they put out there in interviews. Fitzgerald, Colston are also off to slow starts. So, I'll be looking for folks that are reacting to those guys like they are Moss, so I can scoop them up on the cheap..
 
There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role.
The point that's being lost here is that it isn't just about tonight. This isn't a one-game The Sky Is Falling Thread. Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games. He has never had a three-game stretch with this few receptions in his entire career. Could he turn things around? Absolutely. In my opinion he's still a very talented player and arguably the premier big-play WR in the league. But facts are facts. He ranks well outside the Top 50 in receptions. He has caught two passes or fewer in every game but one and he hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in nearly a full season's worth of games dating back to last season. I grant you that every player goes through tough times. But how many Top 15 picks (which Moss was this year) have had a stretch like this? How many Top 5 WRs (which Moss was) are on pace to catch fewer than 40 passes this season? If you put all this together it makes for a legitimate topic to discuss in my opinion. Perhaps it means Moss is the ultimate Buy Low. Perhaps it means the Patriots will come out of the bye with a renewed effort to get him the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that he has not lived up to his draft status thus far and the season is now 1/4 over.
I think it's a valid discussion, but there's no doubt that people are overreacting to a stud wr off to a slow start. Especially when you compare this start to the way he started last year. But tonight, I believe he was just a victim of circumstances. The D/ST performed tonight at a level that they weren't looking for big plays, so that took him out of the equation. I feel confident that he will be fine and finish the season with top 10 numbers. This is his last chance for a big contract, and money is the biggest motivator for these guys, despite what they put out there in interviews. Fitzgerald, Colston are also off to slow starts. So, I'll be looking for folks that are reacting to those guys like they are Moss, so I can scoop them up on the cheap..
I think a goose egg from a Top 15 pick in any week is enough of a kick in the nuts for fantasy owners for them to react negatively. However, for me it's not just about tonight (although it sucked royally) but rather looking at Moss' entire season to date. The three TDs are great but nine receptions through four games and two or fewer in three of four and only four targets the past two games are extremely disconcerting numbers. Again, I'm not burying him or thinking he sucks but when you have a Top 5 WR who is well outside the Top 50 in receptions with 1/4 of the season gone who is in the midst of a stretch that has never occurred in his entire career I do think it's fair to discuss whether this is a trend or whether it's simply a fluke.
 
He's in a contract year, and he wants to get paid. C'mon guys.. He wants to put up huge numbers this year to position himself for his last big payday, and I'm sure Brady knows it. There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role. He will be fine as the season goes on.. Think about defenses planning for the Pats going forward. Can they really roll coverage Randy's way when so much damage can be done with so many other guys i.e. Welker, Hernandez, Green-Ellis, Tate etc...?
i drafted him because of the contract year factor. i didn't anticipate the pissy attitude, poor body language and complaining about his contract. What happened to playing big, getting paid, then tanking, like Shaun Alexander and many before him.Maybe Moss knew he was washed and complained to try to get money early... because at his pace he won't get premium dollars from anyone let alone the pats
Pissy attitude? He expressed that he's not happy about the fact that they haven't offered him an extension. He has done nothing but produce at a high level since he's been there. I understand where he's coming from. He still has an opportunity to play big.. Can we give him six to seven games before we put a nail in his coffin? That's all I'm saying..
 
His game has changed. He doesn't dominate every week. You'll get 20-40 yards for 2 games, then he'll win your game all by himself.

That being said. I owned him last year. I lived this. Had the chance to draft him this year and gladly let him drop. Funny, I went against the Law Firm, Patriot D and Moss tonight. Had a big lead. Wouldn't think that Moss would get the goosegg to give me the win.

 
The last time Randy Moss had a three-game stretch where he caught two passes or fewer in every game was ...Never.
of course he did have a stretch of 3 2 1 last year but that wouldnt be worth mentioning
He also had another stretch in 2009 of 3 (vs Ravens) and 1 (Bailey). But he led WRs in TDs with 13.
He had 10 receptions the game before the Baltimore game and eight receptions the game after Denver. Either way you look at it, that three-game stretch was nowhere near as bad as this one.
 
The stat in this thread that jumped out at me is Moss not topping 75 yards in his last ELEVEN games? Really? Considering all of the deep throws, that is just an alarming stat to me.

 
The stat in this thread that jumped out at me is Moss not topping 75 yards in his last ELEVEN games? Really? Considering all of the deep throws, that is just an alarming stat to me.
Make that TWELVE games after tonight.178 2009 10 2009-11-22 32-282 NWE NYJ W 31-14 5 34

179 2009 11 2009-11-30 32-290 NWE @ NOR L 17-38 3 67

180 2009 12 2009-12-06 32-296 NWE @ MIA L 21-22 2 66

181 2009 13 2009-12-13 32-303 NWE CAR W 20-10 1 16

182 2009 14 2009-12-20 32-310 NWE @ BUF W 17-10 5 70

183 2009 15 2009-12-27 32-317 NWE JAX W 35-7 4 45

184 2009 16 2010-01-03 32-324 NWE @ HOU L 27-34 5 75

185 2010 1 2010-09-12 33-211 NWE CIN W 38-24 5 59

186 2010 2 2010-09-19 33-218 NWE @ NYJ L 14-28 2 38

*12 2009 17 2010-01-10 32-331 NWE BAL L 14-33 5 48

187 2010 3 2010-09-26 33-225 NWE BUF W 38-30 2 42

188 Tonight = 0 - 0

 
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The last time Randy Moss had a three-game stretch where he caught two passes or fewer in every game was ...Never.
of course he did have a stretch of 3 2 1 last year but that wouldnt be worth mentioning
He also had another stretch in 2009 of 3 (vs Ravens) and 1 (Bailey). But he led WRs in TDs with 13.
He had 10 receptions the game before the Baltimore game and eight receptions the game after Denver. Either way you look at it, that three-game stretch was nowhere near as bad as this one.
There are more good corners and teams without good ones are rolling coverage toward Moss. He's already faced the Bengals (Hall/Joesph), Jets (Revis/Cromartie), Bills and Dolphins (V Davis). And he wasn't needed tonight. On the other hand, they have their best TEs and #3 WR in years.
 
I think he's lost a step, he has a tendecy to sulk and is being phased out of the offense. Moss will have good games this year but Hernandez is facing way less coverage and is a very talented receiver. The Pats won't force anything to Moss anymore because he isn't good enough to do that. He will have good games when teams stop focusing on him but it will be hit and miss all season and he probably will only finish with about 800 yards.

 
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Even if he has lost a step he is still better than 95% of the WRs in the league. Moss just isn't getting plays called for him. Brady doesn't even look to his side of the field on the vast majority of pass plays. This was the case last year as well. I think part of the problem is that Brady can't throw a good deep ball anymore (especially to the sideline) and Moss runs routes that take longer to develop.

The Chiefs have Jamaal Charles, the Pats have Randy Moss - both have coaches that are stubborn and as long as they are winning they claim what they are doing is correct.

 
The stat in this thread that jumped out at me is Moss not topping 75 yards in his last ELEVEN games? Really? Considering all of the deep throws, that is just an alarming stat to me.
Make that TWELVE games after tonight.178 2009 10 2009-11-22 32-282 NWE NYJ W 31-14 5 34

179 2009 11 2009-11-30 32-290 NWE @ NOR L 17-38 3 67

180 2009 12 2009-12-06 32-296 NWE @ MIA L 21-22 2 66

181 2009 13 2009-12-13 32-303 NWE CAR W 20-10 1 16

182 2009 14 2009-12-20 32-310 NWE @ BUF W 17-10 5 70

183 2009 15 2009-12-27 32-317 NWE JAX W 35-7 4 45

184 2009 16 2010-01-03 32-324 NWE @ HOU L 27-34 5 75

185 2010 1 2010-09-12 33-211 NWE CIN W 38-24 5 59

186 2010 2 2010-09-19 33-218 NWE @ NYJ L 14-28 2 38

*12 2009 17 2010-01-10 32-331 NWE BAL L 14-33 5 48

187 2010 3 2010-09-26 33-225 NWE BUF W 38-30 2 42

188 Tonight = 0 - 0
the two games before your list he has 147 yds 1TD and 179 yds 2TDs, and over the last 12 games he's had 9 TDs. The guy is still a starter in FF and Im glad I got him as my WR2.
 
The stat in this thread that jumped out at me is Moss not topping 75 yards in his last ELEVEN games? Really? Considering all of the deep throws, that is just an alarming stat to me.
Make that TWELVE games after tonight.178 2009 10 2009-11-22 32-282 NWE NYJ W 31-14 5 34

179 2009 11 2009-11-30 32-290 NWE @ NOR L 17-38 3 67

180 2009 12 2009-12-06 32-296 NWE @ MIA L 21-22 2 66

181 2009 13 2009-12-13 32-303 NWE CAR W 20-10 1 16

182 2009 14 2009-12-20 32-310 NWE @ BUF W 17-10 5 70

183 2009 15 2009-12-27 32-317 NWE JAX W 35-7 4 45

184 2009 16 2010-01-03 32-324 NWE @ HOU L 27-34 5 75

185 2010 1 2010-09-12 33-211 NWE CIN W 38-24 5 59

186 2010 2 2010-09-19 33-218 NWE @ NYJ L 14-28 2 38

*12 2009 17 2010-01-10 32-331 NWE BAL L 14-33 5 48

187 2010 3 2010-09-26 33-225 NWE BUF W 38-30 2 42

188 Tonight = 0 - 0
the two games before your list he has 147 yds 1TD and 179 yds 2TDs, and over the last 12 games he's had 9 TDs. The guy is still a starter in FF and Im glad I got him as my WR2.
Well yeah. His entire career (not just those two games) before that, sans the Raiders, is awesome.
 
Wow, Tom Brady has the whitest teeth I've ever come across.

That being said, I'm of the opinion threads like these may be born of reactive venting but always end up filled with good info.

 
Opposing defenses don't think he's finished. He's still getting double teamed and covered by the CB1. :(

Brady was 5 for 6 in the entire second half in a game that was 7-6 at half-time. It was just not a game that involved a lot of offense.

 
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Opposing defenses don't think he's finished. He's still getting double teamed and covered by the CB1. :(
He always has been double covered and covered by CB1s. Nothng new there -- but this thread is talking about fantasy and production, which has had a very big drop off.
 
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Opposing defenses don't think he's finished. He's still getting double teamed and covered by the CB1. :(
He always has been double covered and covered by CB1s. Nothng new there -- but we are talking fantasy and production, which has has a very big drop off.
That's sorta the point.
That despite everything being the same as it always has been with his opponents -- he is not doing what he used to do?
 
Opposing defenses don't think he's finished. He's still getting double teamed and covered by the CB1. :(
He always has been double covered and covered by CB1s. Nothng new there -- but we are talking fantasy and production, which has has a very big drop off.
That's sorta the point.
That despite everything being the same as it always has been with his opponents -- he is not doing what he used to do?
No.
 
Another overreaction. I'll keep Moss in my lineup for his 2+ weekly TD potential. Sure, last night was a stinker but that is why you have a fantasy TEAM.

 
Some eye-opening comments [bolded] about Hernandez from Trent Dilfer in a Boston Herald interview:

Former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer has a keen eye when it comes to assessing and breaking down game film. The ESPN analyst has always had a pretty good handle on Tom Brady and the Patriots offense and what makes them tick, especially after a few hours in the film room. Having studied the tape of last week's 28-14 Pats loss to the Jets, Dilfer was struck by several things. The most compelling?

The Jets were daring Brady to throw to Randy Moss in the second half.

"Usually, it's not that simple, but in this case, it was," Dilfer said in a phone interview Wednesday. "I really believe the Jets forced the ball to be spit out to the outside to Randy Moss. That's where they wanted the ball to go. They played him hard inside with their corner (Antonio) Cromartie, and they chased. ... They said, 'Go ahead, take your shots.' "

The Jets had lost shutdown cornerback Darrelle Revis to a hamstring injury in the second quarter and came out of the halftime locker room having made some adjustments to their coverages. In the first half, according to Dilfer, the Jets were playing a lot of combination coverages. They played more zone or "matchup zone profiles," as he called them.

"When the Patriots get those profile of defenses, they are much more efficient working the middle of the field," Dilfer said. "Most of their offense is tailored and built on working between the numbers and getting to (Wes) Welker and (Aaron) Hernandez, who are huge weapons in those profiles. Those guys are just going to torch people in the middle of the field.

"In the second half, the Jets played far fewer of those coverages. They went to a one-high (safety), man-coverage scheme and they pressed Randy almost every single down. They were more aggresive at the line of scrimmage. They decided they were going to try to make Tom throw to the perimeter. You might say, 'Oh, that's Randy Moss.' The Jets were saying, 'That's where we want the ball to go.' "

As for why the Pats didn't combat that strategy when the Jets took away Welker and Hernandez, Dilfer said he understands why did Brady always seem to be looking to Moss first.

Dilfer said that a quarterback typically abandons his usual practice of going through his read progressions when the No. 1 receiver finds himself with man-to-man coverage.

"If that happens, that becomes your first read," Dilfer said. "Everything else is secondary."

Beyond that, Dilfer said it came down to winning one-on-one battles, and Moss either wasn't put in the best position to win them or simply came up on the losing end.

"If you're a quarterback, you have to be a little more accurate, and your receivers have to make plays for you," Dilfer said. "Tom wasn't his most accurate outside. He was very accurate in the middle of the field, but he wasn't very accurate on the perimeter. And his receivers, Randy especially, couldn't get enough separation to make plays."

Moss, in fact, talked after the game about those battles, and having to play better because more is expected of him. The question now is whether more defenses will attempt to duplicate the strategy and bait Brady to go away from the middle of the field.

"I think the dilemma for other teams is, 'How much confidence do we have letting the Patriots take shots to Randy Moss?' " Dilfer said ."If teams keep challenging Randy Moss with aggressive one-on-one bump-and-run coverage, (the Patriots) are going to keep taking shots. And I'll tell you, Tom's not going to miss often. But on the flipside, I don't know of any team that can play matchup zone with Welker and Hernandez."

Dilfer is especially impressed with Hernandez. Watching him on film against the Jets, Dilfer said he was open most of the time, and posed the biggest matchup advantage for the Pats.

"You can't cover him," Dilfer said. "He's going to be as good an interior receiver as this league has. The Jets had no answer for him."

Watching the "all 22" coaches' film, Dilfer was also able to see that Hernandez was wide open right before Jason Taylor's late strip-sack of Brady, which sealed the win.

"If he looked to Hernandez, the sack never would have happened," Dilfer said. "He looks at Welker first. When they bracket Welker, his eyes should go right over the safety to Hernandez as second read. For some reason, Tom goes Welker-Moss, and gets hit backside. If he goes Welker-Hernandez, he throws it, it's a touchdown. I watched it 10 times. Hernandez just smokes his guy off the line of scrimmage. Moss was blanketed."
 
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packersfan said:
chedha said:
packersfan said:
chedha said:
There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role.
The point that's being lost here is that it isn't just about tonight. This isn't a one-game The Sky Is Falling Thread. Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games. He has never had a three-game stretch with this few receptions in his entire career. Could he turn things around? Absolutely. In my opinion he's still a very talented player and arguably the premier big-play WR in the league. But facts are facts. He ranks well outside the Top 50 in receptions. He has caught two passes or fewer in every game but one and he hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in nearly a full season's worth of games dating back to last season. I grant you that every player goes through tough times. But how many Top 15 picks (which Moss was this year) have had a stretch like this? How many Top 5 WRs (which Moss was) are on pace to catch fewer than 40 passes this season? If you put all this together it makes for a legitimate topic to discuss in my opinion. Perhaps it means Moss is the ultimate Buy Low. Perhaps it means the Patriots will come out of the bye with a renewed effort to get him the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that he has not lived up to his draft status thus far and the season is now 1/4 over.
I think it's a valid discussion, but there's no doubt that people are overreacting to a stud wr off to a slow start. Especially when you compare this start to the way he started last year. But tonight, I believe he was just a victim of circumstances. The D/ST performed tonight at a level that they weren't looking for big plays, so that took him out of the equation. I feel confident that he will be fine and finish the season with top 10 numbers. This is his last chance for a big contract, and money is the biggest motivator for these guys, despite what they put out there in interviews. Fitzgerald, Colston are also off to slow starts. So, I'll be looking for folks that are reacting to those guys like they are Moss, so I can scoop them up on the cheap..
I think a goose egg from a Top 15 pick in any week is enough of a kick in the nuts for fantasy owners for them to react negatively. However, for me it's not just about tonight (although it sucked royally) but rather looking at Moss' entire season to date. The three TDs are great but nine receptions through four games and two or fewer in three of four and only four targets the past two games are extremely disconcerting numbers. Again, I'm not burying him or thinking he sucks but when you have a Top 5 WR who is well outside the Top 50 in receptions with 1/4 of the season gone who is in the midst of a stretch that has never occurred in his entire career I do think it's fair to discuss whether this is a trend or whether it's simply a fluke.
:shrug:
 
Cassius said:
Opposing defenses don't think he's finished. He's still getting double teamed and covered by the CB1. :shrug:

Brady was 5 for 6 in the entire second half in a game that was 7-6 at half-time. It was just not a game that involved a lot of offense.
exactly
 
packersfan said:
chedha said:
packersfan said:
chedha said:
There will be games like tonight where he plays the decoy role.
The point that's being lost here is that it isn't just about tonight. This isn't a one-game The Sky Is Falling Thread. Randy Moss has caught two passes or fewer in 75% of his games. He has never had a three-game stretch with this few receptions in his entire career. Could he turn things around? Absolutely. In my opinion he's still a very talented player and arguably the premier big-play WR in the league. But facts are facts. He ranks well outside the Top 50 in receptions. He has caught two passes or fewer in every game but one and he hasn't topped 75 yards receiving in nearly a full season's worth of games dating back to last season. I grant you that every player goes through tough times. But how many Top 15 picks (which Moss was this year) have had a stretch like this? How many Top 5 WRs (which Moss was) are on pace to catch fewer than 40 passes this season? If you put all this together it makes for a legitimate topic to discuss in my opinion. Perhaps it means Moss is the ultimate Buy Low. Perhaps it means the Patriots will come out of the bye with a renewed effort to get him the ball. But that doesn't change the fact that he has not lived up to his draft status thus far and the season is now 1/4 over.
I think it's a valid discussion, but there's no doubt that people are overreacting to a stud wr off to a slow start. Especially when you compare this start to the way he started last year. But tonight, I believe he was just a victim of circumstances. The D/ST performed tonight at a level that they weren't looking for big plays, so that took him out of the equation. I feel confident that he will be fine and finish the season with top 10 numbers. This is his last chance for a big contract, and money is the biggest motivator for these guys, despite what they put out there in interviews. Fitzgerald, Colston are also off to slow starts. So, I'll be looking for folks that are reacting to those guys like they are Moss, so I can scoop them up on the cheap..
I think a goose egg from a Top 15 pick in any week is enough of a kick in the nuts for fantasy owners for them to react negatively. However, for me it's not just about tonight (although it sucked royally) but rather looking at Moss' entire season to date. The three TDs are great but nine receptions through four games and two or fewer in three of four and only four targets the past two games are extremely disconcerting numbers. Again, I'm not burying him or thinking he sucks but when you have a Top 5 WR who is well outside the Top 50 in receptions with 1/4 of the season gone who is in the midst of a stretch that has never occurred in his entire career I do think it's fair to discuss whether this is a trend or whether it's simply a fluke.
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Why I continue to draft this guy I can't tell you. Every year it is ulcer-inducing. Seeing that game last night, seeing him open TONS (every time the announcers showed how well he was being covered he could have made a catch, especially one where he was gone to the EZ) was like taking repeated kicks in the nuts. But one thing I have noticed with Randy, having inexplicably drafted him for the past three years, is that it is always darkest before the dawn.2009 October 11, had one catch for 36 yards. Next game he got 8 for 129 and 3.2009 Dec 13, 1 catch for 16. Next game 5 for 70 and 1.2008 October 12 3 for 26, next game 5 for 69 and 2.Do I regret my pick? Of course. Would I consider trading him at far less than value this week? Not on your life.Will I ever draft Randy again? Hells no.
 
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I think he's lost a step, he has a tendecy to sulk and is being phased out of the offense. Moss will have good games this year but Hernandez is facing way less coverage and is a very talented receiver. The Pats won't force anything to Moss anymore because he isn't good enough to do that. He will have good games when teams stop focusing on him but it will be hit and miss all season and he probably will only finish with about 800 yards.
I think it will still be closer to 1000 yards when it is all said and done, but 65 catches for 1000 yards and 9-10 TD's isn't why I took moss in the 2nd round.
 
Lousy game. I was there had a perfect overhead view. He was draped all night by Vonte Davis and a Safety over the top. Miami was determined not give up any big play to him. New England played power football last night as the game dictated that approach.

His slow start is a concern, but I am concerned he has lost "it". But as a Moss Owner in 3 dynasty leagues I need him to pick it up. So far I have managed but a season no one can. He needs to start producing his usual elite TD numbers.

I think he will. The Pats will be in shootouts almost all year. Their secondary is awful. Miami WR's were running free everywhere. Henne however was putrid with his mistakes...and that is a whole other thread and discussion.

Bottom line is Moss will finish a top 10 WR by the end of this season.

 
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gradin123 said:
I think he's lost a step, he has a tendecy to sulk and is being phased out of the offense. Moss will have good games this year but Hernandez is facing way less coverage and is a very talented receiver. The Pats won't force anything to Moss anymore because he isn't good enough to do that. He will have good games when teams stop focusing on him but it will be hit and miss all season and he probably will only finish with about 800 yards.
I think it will still be closer to 1000 yards when it is all said and done, but 65 catches for 1000 yards and 9-10 TD's isn't why I took moss in the 2nd round.
yeah, it's not what I expected either, but..... if you truly beleive those are the numbers he puts up- that will be some strong production crammed into the next 12 weeks.. If teams with him are holding their own so far, it might be a nice uptick. I'm usually in the camp that believes elite players who are still physcially able- will break out and get their numbers when it's all over. I think he'll go through a hot streak.
 
Here's some hope based on the past..

Marvin Harrsion in 2005- he started the 1st 7 games of the season with 1 game over 100 yds and 6 terrible games by his standards.. 69yds, 36,53,109,17,39,65.......... I remember they were saying he was in decline, wasn't the #1 wr in Indy anymore etc.... The next 7 games-- he went over 100 yards 5 times until they rested him the last couple. That stretch he was far and away the #1 WR in the league.

So guys like Moss or Harrison can turn things around.. Let's hope that happens this time.

 
Moss has only 7 fewer fantasy points at this point than he did last year. And he came back to finish as the #2 WR on the season in 2009.

 
Here's some hope based on the past.. Marvin Harrsion in 2005- he started the 1st 7 games of the season with 1 game over 100 yds and 6 terrible games by his standards.. 69yds, 36,53,109,17,39,65.......... I remember they were saying he was in decline, wasn't the #1 wr in Indy anymore etc.... The next 7 games-- he went over 100 yards 5 times until they rested him the last couple. That stretch he was far and away the #1 WR in the league. So guys like Moss or Harrison can turn things around.. Let's hope that happens this time.
:eek: Nice insight! Here's hoping!
 
Moss has only 7 fewer fantasy points at this point than he did last year.
Really?Moss 2009 4 games: 29-331-1Moss 2010 4 games: 9-139-3 That's a huge drop-off in receptions and yards. Do two more TDs really offset that? Not arguing, just wondering. He's way down compared to last year in my (PPR) league.The only confidence I have right now is that Moss is still a big-time talent in my opinion and I do think the Patriots will need him as the year goes on so I expect him to get more targets going forward. But the first month has been brutal for those who took him late first/early second. Nine receptions through four games and averaging 46 yards per game is not what most people were expecting for Moss.
 

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