Is RG3 Mike Vick? (1 Viewer)

[daveR]

I'm not normally one to compare players in this way, although I called AJ Green "Fitz" at this time last year, but I am having trouble seeing a lot of difference between RG3 & Mike Vick.

Please tell me how they differ, (and let's leave the question of race out of the discussion completely).

 

[azgroover]

One hit 72% of his passes, the other hit 50 something %, but yeah, they're both black, if that's what you're asking.

ETA: just re-read, that's not what you're asking. oops.

 

[thriftyrocker]

RG3 is a couple inches taller. This makes a difference because Vick, even in recent history, has had trouble with balls batted down at the line.

Vick is a better runner. RG3 is a great runner; Vick is just at another level.

Vick has a better arm. RG3 has a great arm; Vick is just at another level.

RG3 is a better QB than Vick was coming into the league by a large margin. (Of course, Vick is a much better QB than a young Vick too.)

Both hold onto the ball too long and take too many hits.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

RGIII's completion% has a lot to do with his offense, i've watched 5 games.

 

[daveR]

Good stuff!

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

ETA: Also, good leaders of good teams on the college level.

 

[Drop]

I think that Vick is at a different level in terms of quickness and just has sick vision at high speed athletically so his cuts and acceleration are basically unrivaled. Griffin is an elite athlete in his own right though. So naturally the comparisons in terms of mobility are going to come, but what I think is more important to projecting the parallels is the studying of their read progression. I haven't seen enough of Griffin to be sure, but something about his reads concern me from the limited film I've seen on him. So in that way he's very similar to Vick.

Greg Cosell recently tweeted:

"Play QB position properly + you will play within structure large % of time. Improv successful at times but random. Not recipe for success."

This statement was made amongst a series of tweets about his thoughts on QB traits. So I'm curious to see if Griffin can develop as a pocket passer better than Vick has and if the broken plays that are improved are still there.

Cosell also tweeted:

"Can always isolate QB position from other positions on offense. Look for attributes + traits, not necessarily results. Discernible on film."

&

"Measurable traits can be improved upon. It's why Eli much better now at progression reading + pocket movement. Eli excellent at stick throws"

So I think it's possible for Griffin to expand his game in that regard which bodes well for him because if he does that he doesn't need to be as athletically freakish as Vick to be way more successful. Once you reach a certain level of athleticism at the highest level of competition the slight physical differences are marginalized; the mental aspect is what truly sets elite athletes apart in competition. Once you break down the fundamentals of the players and conclude that they are physically able to be elite players you must look at other things like work ethic and mindset, which is hard to do given the poor understanding, interpretation, and access to the players in general.

Another interesting tweet from Cosell:

"My analysis comes soley from the All 22 coaching tape. Have not seen the college QB at this point. Not comfortable evaluating based on TV."

This is telling to me and it's why I wish there was more of a demand and outcry for coaching tape to be available to the public. The way football games are filmed and televised is a mistake because it doesn't accurately document the play on the field. That's also why I'm very cautious about opinions coming from the blind. I don't often see such honesty from analysts which makes me respect Cosell even more and I don't really know of anyone else breaking down as much coaching tape as him that's sharing thoughts so openly. There are some really smart people breaking down the league, but he's got such an edge given his experience and access.

 

[monk]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants.

I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

 

[Touchdown There]

It is hard to say RGIII is Vick because the Shark Pool will just ream you for thinking a guy in college is as good as Vick. If you break it down, Vick has elite speed, but RGIII has Olympic world-class speed. RGIII has completed 70% of his last 800 passes. He is not going to hit 70% in the pros, but is he going to hit around 60% like Vick...probably.

I missed out on Newton last year. RGIII is a primary target this year.

 

[eric rymer]

Good stuff!To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.ETA: Also, good leaders of good teams on the college level.

I'll say I was not the biggest RG3 supporter in the beginning but I am really starting to warm up to him. I grew up in the Blacksburg, VA area so I can honestly say that I saw every game Vick played. I think I would compare RG3 to Steve Young if I had to pick a guy. I see a couple differences in their game. RG3 is a QB that happens to be an exceptional athlete. Vick is an exceptional athlete that happens to play QB. One thing that not many people seem to bring up is just how smart RG3 is. He already has a Masters Degree from Baylor. I think his Football IQ is better than a lot of folks realize. Yes he played out of the spread which does change how we need to objectively look at his completion #'s. But Vick was just not even close to RG3 in his ability to read defenses coming out of college. In the last few years it seems like Vick has put it together and worked to become a more complete QB. If Heckert believes he is the Franchise QB we need I am fine with them taking him. We have a ton of holes so if he decides to trade down some then I am fine with that too.ETA: calling Vick an Exceptional athlete is an understatement. He is a ridiculous athlete. The only guy that I think compares to his agility is Barry Sanders.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

One thing that not many people seem to bring up is just how smart RG3 is. He already has a Masters Degree from Baylor. I think his Football IQ is better than a lot of folks realize.

Alex Smith completed his economics degree in 2 years and started working on his masters degree in economics too

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Comparison's are difficult with veteran NFL QBs. I don't think its fair to compare Mike Vick with a guy who hasn't attended the Combine let alone played in his first preseason game.

I can offer first impressions of Griffin. I like him as a person. He's composed, has a pressence, eloquent yet comfortable and unguarded with his words, and he has a self depreciating quality about him that will do well for him. He's smart, has the respect of his teammates, and he seems to have it together off the field.

Physical qualities. Arm, hangs in the pocket and has elusiveness to buy time. I have to do more study on him before I feel more comfortable on what I like of his game.

Things I don't like about him are he plays from the spread (go to Rizzler's post on RG III as I run down why I think that is a detriment). He isn't small but his frame looks like it could get knocked around so I wonder about his ability to last full seasons.

It will take him time to get up to speed. If he starts next year it will be a learning year so he needs to keep healthy.

Mike Vick is a veteran NFL QB who has earned Pro Bowl honors and lead teams to playoff victories. Their are too many differences to note between the two to try and compare them.

I think RG III has the temperment and intelligence and leadership qualities to eventually start and lead a team but lets hold off till we get Combine numbers. He may be a bit shorter than his reported hieght and possibly a pound or two off his listed wieght but he should test well on the chalkboard and I'm sure when he has his Pro Day workout he'll prove his armstrength and athleticism. He's worth a shot with a high draft pick but he's no sure thing. I like his floor but I think he's raw so I think it will take time.

 

[Sidewinder16]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

 

[Xue]

They're both built like WR's. Griffin better have a clean pocket where ever he lands, because he'll be taking the same shots as Vick and won't survive a whole season.

 

[Sabertooth]

One thing that not many people seem to bring up is just how smart RG3 is. He already has a Masters Degree from Baylor. I think his Football IQ is better than a lot of folks realize.

Alex Smith completed his economics degree in 2 years and started working on his masters degree in economics too

and got within a game of the Super Bowl too.

 

[Riversco]

You don't know the quality of the coaching he will receive in the pros. One prospect might get an excellent teacher and develop well. Another prospect might get lousy coaching and regress. You also don't know if the scheme the prospect plays in at the NFL level is best-suited for his talent. Without knowing any of that, it makes it a crapshoot to determine who will make it or not.

We're criticizing both Vick and RG3 for holding onto the ball and taking hits. Aaron Rodgers had the same issue. He got out of that habit. How much of that was coaching? Probably a lot. If Rodgers had gone to another franchise in the draft, with different coaches, he might never have worked out that issue. Maybe he regresses.

 

[rizzler]

Did the OP mean to say Steve Young?

Cuz Vick does not resemble RG3 any more than Warren Moon.

 

[Kleck]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants. I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

Might sound crazy, but this would mean a lot to me as an owner/GM/coach.

 

[Touchdown There]

Did the OP mean to say Steve Young? Cuz Vick does not resemble RG3 any more than Warren Moon.

Steve Young was fast, but not Mike Vick fast and certainly not RGIII fast. Track accomplishments:- Broke Texas high school state records for the 110-meter and 300-meter hurdles. He ran the 110-meter hurdles in 13.55 seconds, and the 300-meter hurdles in 35.33 seconds. The 300-hurdles time was one-hundredth of a second short of breaking the national high school record. - Gold medalist in the 110 and 400-meter hurdles on the AAU track and field circuit. He sprinted 13.46 in the 110-meter hurdles and 49.56 in the 400-meter hurdles as a junior in high school. - 2008 Big 12 Conference Championship gold medalist (400m hurdles)- 2008 NCAA Midwest Regional Championship gold medalist (400m hurdles)- 2008 participated in the U.S. Olympic Trials, in which he advanced to the semifinals.- 2008 Track & Field All-American (400m hurdles)The 400m hurdles is widely considered the roughest race in track, along with the 3000m steeple chase and the 800m. Many on these boards have attempted the 400m hurdles "back in the day" and will never forget the jello feeling of your legs on the final stretch with a few more hurdles to clear. This speaks volumes about RGIII's mental toughness.In 2009 RGIII tore his ACL and never went back to track. The combine is in 3 weeks and we are going to get some new numbers to chew on, but I expect RGIII to blow the QBs out of the water in the 40 and to compete for a top overall 40 yard dash time. NOT Steve Young in the legs.

 

[DeCleater]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

 

[daveR]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

I seriously had no idea he was 40 lbs heavier. Wow!

 

[pantherclub]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

For some reason I dont think thats RG's correct size. He may be listed at that but the eyeball test sure says differently. I guess we will see at the combine.

 

[jurb26]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

For some reason I dont think thats RG's correct size. He may be listed at that but the eyeball test sure says differently. I guess we will see at the combine.

If he's not at least 6'1" I'll be pretty surprised. Do you realize how high the hurdles are? It would be awful, awful difficult to run the hurdles as well as he does at 6'0" or less. If he is, it only makes those hurdle exploits that much more impressive.

 

[MAC_32]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants. I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

First thing I thought of too.Vick's issues were work ethic related throughout his career, RG3 won't have that. He's going to be better than Cam.

 

[Shlon]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

Straight Line speed, Vick ran a 4.25 in the 40 at Virginia Tech: http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

 

[FUBAR]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants.

I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

First thing I thought of too.Vick's issues were work ethic related throughout his career, RG3 won't have that. He's going to be better than Cam.

maybe, but that seems unlikely even if his parents were able to instill strong discipline in him. Although it does provide a little more confidence that if he fails, it won't be due to lack of effort or discipline. I'm still not sure whether I like Luck or RG3 more for FF.

 

[Touchdown There]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

Straight Line speed, Vick ran a 4.25 in the 40 at Virginia Tech: http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

Hand timed by a college coach. Does not fly.

 

[MAC_32]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants.

I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

First thing I thought of too.Vick's issues were work ethic related throughout his career, RG3 won't have that. He's going to be better than Cam.

maybe, but that seems unlikely even if his parents were able to instill strong discipline in him. Although it does provide a little more confidence that if he fails, it won't be due to lack of effort or discipline. I'm still not sure whether I like Luck or RG3 more for FF.

Cam's a better athlete, but I still don't trust his head to ever develop into a great QB. Real football, not fantasy. RG3 is a better QB right now than Cam is right now. Whether RG3 is better than luck for fantasy or will be successful in the NFL depends on the team he goes to. I trust Shannahan to do it right, I have doubts about Miami and Cleveland as long as Shurmur's here.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

At least coming out of college, Vick was more 5'11" than he was 6'0". Maybe he grew some after college, but I'm guessing he's no more 6'0" than Brees.

 

[msommer]

Does RGIII like dogs?

 

[pantherclub]

No ... RG3 was raised by 2 Army Sergeants.

I am sure he is a much more disciplined and much better person than Michael Vick.

First thing I thought of too.Vick's issues were work ethic related throughout his career, RG3 won't have that. He's going to be better than Cam.

maybe, but that seems unlikely even if his parents were able to instill strong discipline in him. Although it does provide a little more confidence that if he fails, it won't be due to lack of effort or discipline. I'm still not sure whether I like Luck or RG3 more for FF.

Cam's a better athlete, but I still don't trust his head to ever develop into a great QB. Real football, not fantasy. RG3 is a better QB right now than Cam is right now. Whether RG3 is better than luck for fantasy or will be successful in the NFL depends on the team he goes to. I trust Shannahan to do it right, I have doubts about Miami and Cleveland as long as Shurmur's here.

Thats unbelievably funny there dude.

 

[MAC_32]

Decision making. Leadership. Deep ball. Accuracy. Football IQ. Vision. Play action.

I'll give Cam the goal line and the intermediate ball because Baylor's offense doesn't utilize it so we don't know if RG3 can do that yet. That's it though. RG3 just needs to go to the right team like Cam. Carolina wins 2 more games this year with RG3 under center than Cam and would be a legit playoff contender this year once the defense is fixed.

 

[pantherclub]

He hasnt played one down yet and you are saying he is better than record setting Cam Newton? Thats insane.

Cam is a great leader, his long ball is one of the best in the leagues, he is the most athletic and strongest qb in the league. You are way way off base here dude.

 

[MAC_32]

Imho, Cam is not a good leader and he may be an awful one. Only time will tell, but he has only shown me reasons he is a poor leader to date and no reasons to believe he will ever be a good one.

Cam does have a good deep ball, I just think RG3's is better.

You'll never see me argue Cam's athleticism and strength, but it takes more to being a great QB than athleticism and strength. Upstairs, I don't think Cam has it in him to ever be great. Record setting and fantasy asset? Oh yeah, but that doesn't win titles. I think RG3's head + skills stand a much stronger chance of winning titles than Cam's head + skills. RG3's head >>>>> Cam's, Cam's skills >> RG3's. At any other position other than QB a good argument could be made for Cam, but QB is too reliant on a guy's head and I don't trust Cam's. There's no reason not to trust RG3's.

And, no, I'm not one of those guys who says all of this stuff off of scouting reports, internet, and one bowl game. I've followed RG3 his entire time at school and watched 8 of his games (TCU, K State, Texas A&M, Ok St, Iowa St, Oklahoma, Texas, Washington) in full this year. Dude's legit.

 

[pantherclub]

Cams an awful leader? Yeah I am pretty much checking out of this conversation because its obvious you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[MAC_32]

Computer theft. Accepting bribes to go to college at Auburn. Throwing teammates under the bus when they were losing in-season.

I see a trend and it isn't a good one.

 

[duaneok66]

Agree with MAC. TIme will tell though.

 

[cvnpoka]

lol cam haters are so delusional

 

[MAC_32]

lol cam haters are so delusional

I prefer the term RG3 lover. I don't hate Cam, I love RG3. Lord knows I wish he was on this team...

 

[Fly]

He reminds me of a cross between Steve Young as a passer and Kordell Stewart in terms of athleticism and agility.

 

[nxmehta]

RG3 is a couple inches taller. This makes a difference because Vick, even in recent history, has had trouble with balls batted down at the line.Vick is a better runner. RG3 is a great runner; Vick is just at another level.Vick has a better arm. RG3 has a great arm; Vick is just at another level.RG3 is a better QB than Vick was coming into the league by a large margin. (Of course, Vick is a much better QB than a young Vick too.)Both hold onto the ball too long and take too many hits.

This is pretty spot on. The other thing I'd add is RG3 has more upstairs than Vick.

 

[cstu]

RG3 is a couple inches taller. This makes a difference because Vick, even in recent history, has had trouble with balls batted down at the line.Vick is a better runner. RG3 is a great runner; Vick is just at another level.Vick has a better arm. RG3 has a great arm; Vick is just at another level.RG3 is a better QB than Vick was coming into the league by a large margin. (Of course, Vick is a much better QB than a young Vick too.)Both hold onto the ball too long and take too many hits.

This is pretty spot on. The other thing I'd add is RG3 has more upstairs than Vick.

I'm probably the only one that thinks this but I think Vick was more NFL-ready than RG3.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I missed out on Newton last year. RGIII is a primary target this year.

This is interesting. The success of Cam this year is going to have a coattail effect on RGIII's perceived value this year. Might be severely overvalued.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Also interesting that the only other QBs people are using for comparisons are black.

 

[nxmehta]

Also interesting that the only other QBs people are using for comparisons are black.

Mostly, but couple of people compared him to Steve Young, which is actually a decent comparison.

 

[daveR]

I missed out on Newton last year. RGIII is a primary target this year.

This is interesting. The success of Cam this year is going to have a coattail effect on RGIII's perceived value this year. Might be severely overvalued.

How about Luck's value?

 

[SacramentoBob]

I missed out on Newton last year. RGIII is a primary target this year.

This is interesting. The success of Cam this year is going to have a coattail effect on RGIII's perceived value this year. Might be severely overvalued.

How about Luck's value?

He's been hyped since before Cam or Dalton's success.

 

[Shlon]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

Straight Line speed, Vick ran a 4.25 in the 40 at Virginia Tech: http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

Hand timed by a college coach. Does not fly.

Regardless, RG3 is not faster than Vick in straight line speed coming out of college, no way.

Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

At least coming out of college, Vick was more 5'11" than he was 6'0". Maybe he grew some after college, but I'm guessing he's no more 6'0" than Brees.

Doctor measured me to be 5'11", I met Vick once at a signing event like 10 years ago in Atlanta and he was ever so slightly taller than me, so 6'0" could be accurate.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

At least coming out of college, Vick was more 5'11" than he was 6'0". Maybe he grew some after college, but I'm guessing he's no more 6'0" than Brees.

Doctor measured me to be 5'11", I met Vick once at a signing event like 10 years ago in Atlanta and he was ever so slightly taller than me, so 6'0" could be accurate.

My statement comes from a somewhat similar experience back in 2000. I'm a shade under 5'11" and had to do a double-take to confirm that I was really standing next to Vick, because in passing he was "my size" and not someone I would have otherwise pegged as a football player. He was 19 or 20 at the time, and he could have been 1/2" taller than me and added another 1/2" in the following years.My overall point originally, though, was simply refuting that Vick and Griffin "are about the same size". As far as I've seen, Vick is closer to Brees in "size" than he is to RGIII.

 

[Touchdown There]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

Straight Line speed, Vick ran a 4.25 in the 40 at Virginia Tech: http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

Hand timed by a college coach. Does not fly.

Regardless, RG3 is not faster than Vick in straight line speed coming out of college, no way.

Vick is the one who opted out of the combine, so this is a non-discussion. No matter what time RG3 runs, in your mind it will not be better than Vick would have run. Think about it...you are proclaiming "no way" when RG3 has not run his combine 40. If you have a closed-mind there is no reason to debate on a message board.I am sure that RG3 is faster than Vick, but that does not make him a better running QB than Vick. Vick is shifty, agile and sudden.

 

[cstu]

To me, I saw two guys who are about the same size with big arms and exceptional mobility.

Both may be "slight" but Vick is short while Griffin is tall (at least compared to Vick) and lanky.

Coming out of college Vick was 6'0" 180, RG3 is 6'2" 220. That is not the same size. Vick may be quicker and make better cuts but I would bet their straight line speed is about the same. What sets RG3 apart in my book is he is a much better passer. He completed 70% in college, Vick was under 50%. Vick has a great arm but he could not hit open receivers. RG3s accuracy is increased by the amount of bubble screens and short throws he made at Baylor but he also had numerous bombs of over 40 yards that were right on the money.RG3 is a passer that can run, Vick is a runner that can pass some of the time.

Straight Line speed, Vick ran a 4.25 in the 40 at Virginia Tech: http://www.hokiesports.com/huddler/archive/0382000aaa.html Also Vick was listed as 6'1" 210 (even though he's more 6'0" than 6'1") not 180 as his draft profile on many sites in 2001.

Hand timed by a college coach. Does not fly.

Regardless, RG3 is not faster than Vick in straight line speed coming out of college, no way.

Vick is the one who opted out of the combine, so this is a non-discussion. No matter what time RG3 runs, in your mind it will not be better than Vick would have run. Think about it...you are proclaiming "no way" when RG3 has not run his combine 40. If you have a closed-mind there is no reason to debate on a message board.I am sure that RG3 is faster than Vick, but that does not make him a better running QB than Vick. Vick is shifty, agile and sudden.

I don't get the arguing over 40 time. Based on official times RG3 has run he's almost certainly faster in a straight line. However, it's Vick's agility that made him unique - in the beginning he was a RB playing QB who had a strong arm. RG3 will be a terror to defenses because of his speed, but not in the same was Vick is.