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Is Richardson the best RB prospect since ADP ? (1 Viewer)

Abraham

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I'll have some expansice thoughts shortly (I happen to think the answer is "yes") but thought to get the question going by listing some of the top flight prospects that have entered the league since Peterson. Keep in mind that consideration is mostly being given to first round talents...

Marshaun lynxh

Darren McFadden

Felix jones

Chris Johnson

Jon Stewart

Rashard mendenhall

Knowshon Moreno

Donald brown

Beanie wells

Cj spiller

Ryan Matthews

Jahvid best

Mark Ingram.

 
I'll have some expansice thoughts shortly (I happen to think the answer is "yes") but thought to get the question going by listing some of the top flight prospects that have entered the league since Peterson. Keep in mind that consideration is mostly being given to first round talents...Marshaun lynxhDarren McFaddenFelix jones Chris Johnson Jon Stewart Rashard mendenhall Knowshon MorenoDonald brown Beanie wells Cj spillerRyan MatthewsJahvid best Mark Ingram.
YES.
 
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
I actually agree on this. I think that Ingram will have a great career and is a buy low candidate after this season. But Richardson made Huge strides this season on his balance to complement his already tremendous leg power and speed and vision.
 
The answer is yes, and some may argue he's a better prospect than AD. At the time of the draft ADs only red flag was his potential injury issues (broken collarbone, misc. ankle injuries, etc.)...nothing too major, but it was a concern for some with his running style.

The only knock on Richardson is the lack of 4.3 speed (which AD had), but he's still plenty fast. (Richardson is a better receiver and pass blocker than AD was coming out of college)

Below copied from a recent post I made in the 2012 prospects thread.

If you could build the prototype body frame for a RB, would it be Trent Richardson?

- 5'11" (maybe 5'10" is more perfect?)

- 224lbs (perfect)

But, beyond the usual height and weight, the most defining feature are his legs. His unusual bow-legged stance gives him a wide/low base and change of direction that I can't remember ever seeing in a runner with his ability. Couple the wide base with the 600-700lb squat ability and you have something that NFL defenders are going to fear for a while.

4.3 speed would be a nice added bonus, but with everything else in his arsenal I think 4.5 type speed will be just fine.

Can't wait to see him at the next level.

 
Way better than Peterson. More like Ricky Williams in terms of size, strength, power and all-around skills. Only negatives on both are top end speed.

 
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram. You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
 
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram. You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
I just don't believe this. He peharps did take on a life of his own at FBG, but he was a highly ranked player that had very little weakness coming out of college.He was belived to have it all. He had the vision balance and the college pedigree to back it up. He was said to be the best prospect since ADP.Every year guys are supposed to be the next best since.... And last year Ingram was the guy. This year it will be Richardson and next year it will be someone else.
 
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram. You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
I just don't believe this. He peharps did take on a life of his own at FBG, but he was a highly ranked player that had very little weakness coming out of college.He was belived to have it all. He had the vision balance and the college pedigree to back it up. He was said to be the best prospect since ADP.Every year guys are supposed to be the next best since.... And last year Ingram was the guy. This year it will be Richardson and next year it will be someone else.
Spot on. Good post.
 
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
'Multiple Scores said:
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram. You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
I just don't believe this. He peharps did take on a life of his own at FBG, but he was a highly ranked player that had very little weakness coming out of college.He was belived to have it all. He had the vision balance and the college pedigree to back it up. He was said to be the best prospect since ADP.Every year guys are supposed to be the next best since.... And last year Ingram was the guy. This year it will be Richardson and next year it will be someone else.
I respect your opinion. Through all of my resources I made mental notes that FBG community and staff were way higher on him than any other resource. I don't recall any single other resource that thought he was better than Darren McFadden or Reggie Bush and definitely not AP. we may have had different resources hence our differing opinions.
 
Fwiw I think Ingram is going to have a very nice career when it's all said and done.
I'll say Richardson has more fantasy points after week 6 of 2012 in his NFL career than Ingram does with a full season already to his credit. I obviously don't like Ingram and don't see special talent but even on a level to those who think he's fantastic I ask this, when in New Orleans do you see him possibly becoming an elite fantasy producer? With Brees, his WRs, Jimmy Graham getting many redzone looks, Sproles, Thomas, Ivory all on that team. When could he break out?
 
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
'Multiple Scores said:
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram.

You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
I just don't believe this. He peharps did take on a life of his own at FBG, but he was a highly ranked player that had very little weakness coming out of college.He was belived to have it all. He had the vision balance and the college pedigree to back it up. He was said to be the best prospect since ADP.

Every year guys are supposed to be the next best since.... And last year Ingram was the guy. This year it will be Richardson and next year it will be someone else.
I disagree with this. It is different for Richardson.Yes, you're right on one part - every year, there's a consensus #1 back, who ultimately gets a decent amount of hype. That's a given. It's also a given that, most years, there will be some debate on the matter. And usually, some won't like whomever the consensus guy is, for various reasons. Ingram, Mathews, Moreno, McFadden... they all had hype, but they all had their share of detractors, too.

I've seen nothing but love for Richardson. For two years now.

 
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'Carter_Can_Fly said:
'Multiple Scores said:
'Carter_Can_Fly said:
Ingram generated the buzz last year and with the Saints moving up to get him, I thought he would be the next ADP.
As a person who has a vast range of information gathering FBG staff and posters thought higher of Ingram than all my other resources. Draft websites, Draft specials, Draft magazines, draft bloggers, draft experts, ESPNU and all other forms of resources DID NOT hype Ingram the same way as FBG did. If your only source of information on draft prospects comes from football guys.com it is clear why you'd think he was an elite prospect. I stood out as one of the detractors along with a few others here. I can say I considered Ingram a poor mans Beanie Wells whom I do actually like, never liked Ingram.

You can find out from other resources that Ingram and Richardson are on a different level as far as a draft prospect, it really isn't much of a discussion outside this very small part of the football universe.
I just don't believe this. He peharps did take on a life of his own at FBG, but he was a highly ranked player that had very little weakness coming out of college.He was belived to have it all. He had the vision balance and the college pedigree to back it up. He was said to be the best prospect since ADP.

Every year guys are supposed to be the next best since.... And last year Ingram was the guy. This year it will be Richardson and next year it will be someone else.
I disagree with this. It is different for Richardson.Yes, you're right on one part - every year, there's a consensus #1 back, who ultimately gets a decent amount of hype. That's a given. It's also a given that, most years, there will be some debate on the matter. And usually, some won't like whomever the consensus guy is, for various reasons. Ingram, Mathews, Moreno, McFadden... they all had hype, but they all had their share of detractors, too.

I've seen nothing but love for Richardson. For two years now.
^^^ This is basically my answer.Anyone who actually follows college football and is a regular follower of the NFL draft knows that Richardson is the best, most can't-miss prospect since AP.

If scouts thought Ingram was a back with very little weakness, and was the next AP, he wouldn't have fallen to the 28th pick....that's common sense.

Same with your run-of-the-mill 1st round RBs like Moreno, Beanie, Mendenhall, Mathews, etc. Those guys are available in most drafts.

To compare them as prospects to Richardson is just ignorant.

Richardson is a special prospect that is not available every draft. His prototype NFL skills have been evident since his freshman year (like Peterson).

From 2009 I (as well as others) considered him the superior back to his teammate Ingram.

His "bust" risk is not as high as other elite RB prospects Reggie Bush and McFadden, with whom there were questions about durability and capability of withstanding an NFL pounding.

Richardson is an absolute ox, so that's not a concern.

 
Yes. I would take him as a top 3 RB in a dynasty draft tomorrow. The only backs I'd even consider over him are Rice and McCoy. He's probably more talented than those guys, but they play in friendly systems.

Richardson is a mortal lock to become a productive franchise RB in the NFL. He has no flaws. In terms of comparing him to players like Peterson and McFadden, he isn't as fast and he doesn't break as many long runs. I think he will be more like Ray Rice or Edgerrin James in the NFL. Modest YPC, but gifted in the passing game and durable as a rock.

I liked Ingram (still do), but he's no Richardson. The difference between the two is that Richardson is more of a physical freak/workout warrior. Ingram had really poor workout numbers. I don't expect the same from Richardson. He might not run a blazing 40, but he'll probably do well in all of the other drills.

He isn't as dynamic as ADP, but I think he's more valuable coming out of college than ADP was because he doesn't have the same durability concerns.

 
'Abraham said:
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson. More like Ricky Williams in terms of size, strength, power and all-around skills. Only negatives on both are top end speed.
Excellent comparison but Ricky was Faster.
Thanks. After reading that post I had to flip through the rest just to make sure someone else corrected that. I think Ricky had 4.4 speed coming out of high school...
 
Yes. I would take him as a top 3 RB in a dynasty draft tomorrow. The only backs I'd even consider over him are Rice and McCoy. He's probably more talented than those guys, but they play in friendly systems. Richardson is a mortal lock to become a productive franchise RB in the NFL. He has no flaws. In terms of comparing him to players like Peterson and McFadden, he isn't as fast and he doesn't break as many long runs. I think he will be more like Ray Rice or Edgerrin James in the NFL. Modest YPC, but gifted in the passing game and durable as a rock. I liked Ingram (still do), but he's no Richardson. The difference between the two is that Richardson is more of a physical freak/workout warrior. Ingram had really poor workout numbers. I don't expect the same from Richardson. He might not run a blazing 40, but he'll probably do well in all of the other drills. He isn't as dynamic as ADP, but I think he's more valuable coming out of college than ADP was because he doesn't have the same durability concerns.
:goodposting:
 
I will go on record saying I was high on Ingram, and am high on Richardson as well. In fact, like many have indicated I still think Ingram has a bright future if he can stay healthy.

I just think people are piling on Ingram after a down year in an (I told you so) kind of way due to what we saw through stats this year.

I don`t think Richardson is the Andrew Luck of rb`s like some on here are indicating. I do think that he is another great RB with the same hype that those other number 1 ranked rb`s got in Ingram, Bush, Peterson, McFadden.

 
Cincy seems like a good spot for immediate production of the top of my head.

Too bad he will never fall that far. Nothing seems obvious or obviously good at the top of the round.

 
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Unless the Browns trade for the #1 overall pick to get Luck, they will likely be selecting Richardson. They are getting rid of Hillis partly because he doesn't fit their scheme. They want an RB that can make outside runs and run after the catch for the WCO Shurmur runs.

 
didn't know if the rams would bite with jackson and all.

was kind of thinking tampa may be in that pick range and they clearly don't think blount can be a 3 down back....

 
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didn't know if the rams would bite with jackson and all.was kind of thinking tampa may be in that pick range and they clearly don't think blount can be a 3 down back....
SJ will be 29 next year. While many are thinking and hoping for a WR, there has still been talk about taking Richardson.
 
St Louis is a possibility as well.
This is what I am hoping for. I was actually hoping that we do clinch the #1 pick, and then trade it for a lower slot in which to land Richardson or Ball. Someone WILL overpay for the chance to get Luck and what would we do with luck. Bradford will be good enough given better wr...wish we would have traded Jackson for picks as well - he isn't getting any younger, but had we traded him before he put more mileage on we could have garnered much better depth.
 
'Abraham said:
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson. More like Ricky Williams in terms of size, strength, power and all-around skills. Only negatives on both are top end speed.
Excellent comparison but Ricky was Faster.
Thanks. After reading that post I had to flip through the rest just to make sure someone else corrected that. I think Ricky had 4.4 speed coming out of high school...
I'm sure Ricky wasn't 244 in high school. He ran a 4.56 at 244lbs at the combine.http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=61154&draftyear=1999&genpos=RB
 
didn't know if the rams would bite with jackson and all.was kind of thinking tampa may be in that pick range and they clearly don't think blount can be a 3 down back....
I'd love the pick as a Buc fan, but they have so many glaring holes on defense it'll be tough to pass up an elite defensive prospect.That being said, considering TB passed on Peterson for Gaines Adams, I say take Richardson if he's available.
 
I hate buying into the hype of any young player who has yet to play a down but he definitely has a chance to be something very special. Lets hold off on the better than ADP nonsense though until he's at least played a full season. Sometimes the hype threads in this place can lay it on way too thick for my taste.

 
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson.
LOL
:goodposting: This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
 
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
This simply isn't true. Peterson was a stud from day 1 in college. Yes he had durability concerns in college, but he was thought of as once in a decade (if not a once in a generation) type of RB coming out of college.
 
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson.
LOL
:goodposting: This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
If Peterson had better hands and pass pro coming out of college then they'd be pretty even? So you're saying that Richardson is a better NFL prospect than Peterson was? I guess I'm not in agreement.Personally, I guess Peterson the slight edge but think they're pretty even in that Richardson may be more advanced in pass pro and receiving than Peterson was coming out of college (and is likely more advanced than Peterson is even today), but he isn't nearly as dynamic as Peterson was. Also, to the best of my knowlege, Peterson didn't have fumbling issues coming out of college. That issue reared its ugly head for a short while once he was in the league.Regardless, the fact that Peterson "slipped" to #7 when he had concerns relating to injuries, pass pro, and receiving speaks volumes to the type of prospect he was. I like the Ray Rice comparison for Richardson. An extremely well rounded 3-down back that isn't quite the threat that Peterson is on every touch to take one the distance, yet can be a true workhorse for whatever team takes him.
 
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson.
LOL
:goodposting: This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
If Peterson had better hands and pass pro coming out of college then they'd be pretty even? So you're saying that Richardson is a better NFL prospect than Peterson was? I guess I'm not in agreement.Personally, I guess Peterson the slight edge but think they're pretty even in that Richardson may be more advanced in pass pro and receiving than Peterson was coming out of college (and is likely more advanced than Peterson is even today), but he isn't nearly as dynamic as Peterson was. Also, to the best of my knowlege, Peterson didn't have fumbling issues coming out of college. That issue reared its ugly head for a short while once he was in the league.Regardless, the fact that Peterson "slipped" to #7 when he had concerns relating to injuries, pass pro, and receiving speaks volumes to the type of prospect he was. I like the Ray Rice comparison for Richardson. An extremely well rounded 3-down back that isn't quite the threat that Peterson is on every touch to take one the distance, yet can be a true workhorse for whatever team takes him.
Yeah, I can also see the Ray Rice comparisons.Richardson is not quite as shifty, but he's bigger and stronger (and obviously a far better prospect, as Rice was a 2nd rounder).
 
There's no comparison between what people thought of about Richardson and Ingram as prospects. Dynasty players have been waiting for Richardson to hit the NFL since he was a freshman in college. Mark Ingram was rolling through his heisman campaign and most dynasty leaguers were already talking about Richardson instead.

Ingram was 2011's best running back prospect, the same way that 2010 had a best running back prospect and that 2009 had a best running back prospect. That's what made them stand out. With Richardson is different, similar to how it was with Peterson. Once in a generation players don't get picked 28th in the draft (which is similar to where most people had him in their mocks, so it's not like it was an aberration). They get picked in the top 10 by a team that doesn't even need a RB like Peterson did.

However, I still don't think Richardson is an elite a prospect as Peterson was. Peterson was both a workhorse and a gamebreaker. He was a scatback who could take it the distance on any play but also a grinder that could wear the other team down with 25 power-infused carries. It will be a long time before we see another RB prospect as highly thought of as Peterson. If one is out there he's only in 10th grade right now because once Peterson got past that stage he was already the NFL's next big thing.

 
There's no comparison between what people thought of about Richardson and Ingram as prospects. Dynasty players have been waiting for Richardson to hit the NFL since he was a freshman in college. Mark Ingram was rolling through his heisman campaign and most dynasty leaguers were already talking about Richardson instead.Ingram was 2011's best running back prospect, the same way that 2010 had a best running back prospect and that 2009 had a best running back prospect. That's what made them stand out. With Richardson is different, similar to how it was with Peterson. Once in a generation players don't get picked 28th in the draft (which is similar to where most people had him in their mocks, so it's not like it was an aberration). They get picked in the top 10 by a team that doesn't even need a RB like Peterson did.However, I still don't think Richardson is an elite a prospect as Peterson was. Peterson was both a workhorse and a gamebreaker. He was a scatback who could take it the distance on any play but also a grinder that could wear the other team down with 25 power-infused carries. It will be a long time before we see another RB prospect as highly thought of as Peterson. If one is out there he's only in 10th grade right now because once Peterson got past that stage he was already the NFL's next big thing.
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'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson.
LOL
:goodposting: This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
Stuff like being well-rounded, and better in pass pro: that's nice, but it didn't affect AP's ranking. When he had the rock in his hand, he blew people away. I just don't think you are remembering what a phenom he was. "way better"? Not even close.
 
'Xue said:
Way better than Peterson.
LOL
:goodposting: This way better than Peterson stuff is insanity. Might he be better than Peterson? Possibly. Is it even close to rational to say right now that he will be way better than Peterson? Not a chance.
I never said he will have a better career than Peterson. I'm comparing them coming out of college. Richardson is just more advanced and well-rounded at this point in his career. And its very rational. If Peterson had Richardson's hands and pass pro skills, then it would be pretty even. He also had fumbling problems.
Stuff like being well-rounded, and better in pass pro: that's nice, but it didn't affect AP's ranking. When he had the rock in his hand, he blew people away. I just don't think you are remembering what a phenom he was. "way better"? Not even close.
I don't think I've ever seen a more violent runner in CFB, going back to, say... Herschel at UGA.
 
agree that Richardson is the best to come out since ADP, but is (at least) a notch below ADP in terms of overall ability.

 

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