Is Richardson the best RB prospect since ADP ? (1 Viewer)

[JAA]

I promised my thoughts in the first post, so it's only fair that I follow through...Richardson actually reminds me a lot of two guys that haven't yet been mentioned: Frank Gore and Marion Barber.Gore: I'm not talking about the injuries that placed Gore lower in the draft, obviously, but their styles and skill-sets (when healthy) are remarkably similar to me. While I think that comparing Richardson to Ricky or Edge is also apt, Gore's vision and agility are close to TR in my opinion. For starters, both runners show excellent footwork in the backfield. This footwork sets up great balance and path to the hole in front of them. From there, both runners show similar speed/acceleration combos that get them through the line of scrimmage with a full head of steam and a good forward lean. Neither of them has great breakaway speed compared to players like Chris Johnson or Lesean McCoy, but both appear to excel at breaking initial LB contact with strong legs and strong balance. Whereas Cadillac Williams and Kevin Jones utlized balance and agility in the 5-7 yard range, Gore and Richardson appear to utilize leg power COMBINED with the kind of balance that takes in to account not only their own bodies but the the bodies being slammed in to them. Barber: Richardson's "forward lean" contains a bit of power that was not evident in Mark INgram but reminds me a great deal of Barber. There are certain players (Cedric Benson being one of them, FWIW) that manage to muscle forward for an extra half-to-full yard once they are in the grasp of an LB. This sounds minimal, but for a workhorse that is 10 extra yards per game and the difference between a 3.5 and 4.0 ypc. The former is a role player, the latter is a starter. Richardson's quickness is not so much agility but rather a power-burst like Barber that meets contact head on and - very suddenly - drives it up and back. Marion Barber had this ability when he entered the NFL.Furthermore, Richardson has emerged as not only a competent pass-catcher but as a true threat in the recieiving game. While he isn't likely to ever be confused for Marshall Faulk and lined up as split end, he has the ability to run crisp routes and shows good hands. As a result, when Richardson gets the ball on the run as a receiver he is often able to make things happen after first contact and creates a matchup nightmare for the nickel corner stuck spying him out of the backfield. Richardson's receiving prowess - like that of Gore - will require some work in his first few years in the league. But he has shown a clear understanding and ability with regard to crisp routes, setting up blockers, and getting the ball on the run that isn't present in many strength-based rushers.My expectation of Richardson does not fall in line with Ricky or Peterson, but rather with Gore and to a lesser extent E. James. I think he can be a 300 carry, 50 reception back for years to come. In the right situation (St. Louis, Tampa, even Cleveland) then he can do great things for fantasy owners.

Apt summary and I love the Gore comparisons.

 

[Concept Coop]

I promised my thoughts in the first post, so it's only fair that I follow through...Richardson actually reminds me a lot of two guys that haven't yet been mentioned: Frank Gore and Marion Barber.

Barber is a comparison I have made before, based on his upper body strength. Defenders bounce off of him - sometimes pushed off of him - and he can be very aggresive. But, that is really where the comparision ends. Everything about them as runners, below the waist, is night and day. As for Gore, I see it if we use a prime Gore, although, Richardson is quicker than Gore, which is impressive considering he is bigger and stronger than Gore ever was. A healthy Frank Gore is a very special football player. A bigger, quicker version of him is a guy that could be right up there with AP - which is where a lot of scouts are placing Richardson.

 

[cvnpoka]

I don't claim to have watched every one of Richardson's games this year, but Ingram was a pretty good RB when he played at Alabama. The Richardson lust in this thread is equal to the Ingram hatred. And now the hype is pushing Richardson equal to Adrian Peterson....with some small evidence of him passing Peterson. Guys are feeding off eachother in this thread and each post seems to be pushing the hype level up a notch.

FTR, any "hype" is not affecting my opinion on Richardson.I'm basing my opinion on actually watching him, and on being an avid college/pro football watcher for many years.I've been more impressed with Richardson than I ever was with Ingram, even during Ingram's Heisman year.I personally haven't seen a better RB prospect since AP (who was the best freshman RB I ever saw, btw).Evidently many share that opinion.

I share your opinion, AP was the best freshman RB I have ever saw. I wish I could have watched Barry as a freshman as I believe he was the best of all time.

fwiw, bill parcells graded out rb billy sims as the highest player (not just rb) he had ever seen.

 

[Concept Coop]

I love Richardson... but theres so much that goes into his projections for next year (what team he goes to/time share) to even consider where i would go in a fantasy draft and who i would take over him. You have so many elite type WR's that are entering these drafts of late that to me they seem like the better value now and going forward since the longevity of an elite WR far exceeds a elite RB shelf life. When you have guys like Andre/Fitz/Calvin/Dez/AJ&Julio in the past 5 seasons coming out why would you even target a RB with how many questions come with them?

This is a question for another thread, and there have been plenty. But, in short, the principles of VORP still apply. Meaning, 5 years of RB1 production is worth more than 7 years of WR production or 10 years of QB1 production. I don't have the exact numbers, but, you don't compare the career expectancy of a QB or WR to a RB, in most formats. Flex spots create the need for comparision, but VORP still stands. A 23 year old RB like McCoy (21 for Richardson, if he pans out) gets a much bigger bump for age than a guy like Calvin or Rodgers, even though their careers might be as long, from today moving forward.

I would be very interested in the list of RBs that have produced as RB1's for 5 years. My estimation is that list is quite quite small.

It would be a short list, and that is the point, really. You can't wait and see with RBs the way you can with other prospects. Missing a years worth of production is huge. The guys that are on that list are mostly elite talents that started before they were 24 years old. I don't agree with EBF ranking Richardson in the top 3. I don't feel comfortable doing that without seeing how he plays when he is not bigger/stronger/faster than they guys tackling him. But, if EBF is right, his #3 ranking is absolutely warranted. A 22 YO RB with elite talent and a starting role (assumed)is a solid bet at 5 years of production. I.E. - why you take a RB over a WR when a WR lasts longer.

 

[JAA]

I promised my thoughts in the first post, so it's only fair that I follow through...Richardson actually reminds me a lot of two guys that haven't yet been mentioned: Frank Gore and Marion Barber.

As for Gore, I see it if we use a prime Gore, although, Richardson is quicker than Gore, which is impressive considering he is bigger and stronger than Gore ever was. A healthy Frank Gore is a very special football player. A bigger, quicker version of him is a guy that could be right up there with AP - which is where a lot of scouts are placing Richardson.

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

 

[JAA]

I love Richardson... but theres so much that goes into his projections for next year (what team he goes to/time share) to even consider where i would go in a fantasy draft and who i would take over him. You have so many elite type WR's that are entering these drafts of late that to me they seem like the better value now and going forward since the longevity of an elite WR far exceeds a elite RB shelf life. When you have guys like Andre/Fitz/Calvin/Dez/AJ&Julio in the past 5 seasons coming out why would you even target a RB with how many questions come with them?

This is a question for another thread, and there have been plenty. But, in short, the principles of VORP still apply. Meaning, 5 years of RB1 production is worth more than 7 years of WR production or 10 years of QB1 production. I don't have the exact numbers, but, you don't compare the career expectancy of a QB or WR to a RB, in most formats. Flex spots create the need for comparision, but VORP still stands. A 23 year old RB like McCoy (21 for Richardson, if he pans out) gets a much bigger bump for age than a guy like Calvin or Rodgers, even though their careers might be as long, from today moving forward.

I would be very interested in the list of RBs that have produced as RB1's for 5 years. My estimation is that list is quite quite small.

It would be a short list, and that is the point, really. You can't wait and see with RBs the way you can with other prospects. Missing a years worth of production is huge. The guys that are on that list are mostly elite talents that started before they were 24 years old.

I believe you are missing the point. The chance of getting a RB1 for 5 years ... ANY RB, proven or rookie, is very very slim. Where when you look at 'stud' grade WRs (not DHB), the volatility is a lot less.

 

[Concept Coop]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

 

[JAA]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

 

[southeastjerome]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

If he ends up with the right team I could definitely see that happening.

 

[Concept Coop]

I love Richardson... but theres so much that goes into his projections for next year (what team he goes to/time share) to even consider where i would go in a fantasy draft and who i would take over him. You have so many elite type WR's that are entering these drafts of late that to me they seem like the better value now and going forward since the longevity of an elite WR far exceeds a elite RB shelf life. When you have guys like Andre/Fitz/Calvin/Dez/AJ&Julio in the past 5 seasons coming out why would you even target a RB with how many questions come with them?

This is a question for another thread, and there have been plenty. But, in short, the principles of VORP still apply. Meaning, 5 years of RB1 production is worth more than 7 years of WR production or 10 years of QB1 production. I don't have the exact numbers, but, you don't compare the career expectancy of a QB or WR to a RB, in most formats. Flex spots create the need for comparision, but VORP still stands. A 23 year old RB like McCoy (21 for Richardson, if he pans out) gets a much bigger bump for age than a guy like Calvin or Rodgers, even though their careers might be as long, from today moving forward.

I would be very interested in the list of RBs that have produced as RB1's for 5 years. My estimation is that list is quite quite small.

It would be a short list, and that is the point, really. You can't wait and see with RBs the way you can with other prospects. Missing a years worth of production is huge. The guys that are on that list are mostly elite talents that started before they were 24 years old.

I believe you are missing the point. The chance of getting a RB1 for 5 years ... ANY RB, proven or rookie, is very very slim. Where when you look at 'stud' grade WRs (not DHB), the volatility is a lot less.

I might be missing your point, and must be. But you are clearly missing mine.The difference is career length between a good RB and an elite RB is MUCH greater than the same for any other position. It is about value over replacement. You don't compare anything across position, until we start looking at flex spots. You compare a RB to a RB and a QB to a QB. Then, you measure their value over replacement.If Richardson is an elite talent, and starts right away, he is a solid bet for 5 years of production. BECAUSE that is so rare, Richardson's value would then increase. Much more so than Luck or Blackmon - talking strictly from a duration aspect.

 

[Concept Coop]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

Wow.Where did you get that out of what I said? I said Richardson looks quicker in tight spaces, his fast twich movements are more evident. What does that have to do with him making a pro-bowl, or where did you get that I am saying Richardson will be a better NFL player than Gore?

 

[Devine Intervention]

BUST

 

[JAA]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

Wow.Where did you get that out of what I said? I said Richardson looks quicker in tight spaces, his fast twich movements are more evident. What does that have to do with him making a pro-bowl, or where did you get that I am saying Richardson will be a better NFL player than Gore?

What was the point you were making with the bolded comment? Your comment

 

[Sabertooth]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

Wow.Where did you get that out of what I said? I said Richardson looks quicker in tight spaces, his fast twich movements are more evident. What does that have to do with him making a pro-bowl, or where did you get that I am saying Richardson will be a better NFL player than Gore?

Do you think he'll be a better pro than Frank Gore?

 

[Concept Coop]

What was the point you were making with the bolded comment? Your comment

Exactly what I said: Trent Richardson is quicker than Frank Gore.

 

[Multiple Scores]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

Wow.Where did you get that out of what I said? I said Richardson looks quicker in tight spaces, his fast twich movements are more evident. What does that have to do with him making a pro-bowl, or where did you get that I am saying Richardson will be a better NFL player than Gore?

Do you think he'll be a better pro than Frank Gore?

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

 

[Concept Coop]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

 

[Multiple Scores]

I promised my thoughts in the first post, so it's only fair that I follow through...Richardson actually reminds me a lot of two guys that haven't yet been mentioned: Frank Gore and Marion Barber.

Barber is a comparison I have made before, based on his upper body strength. Defenders bounce off of him - sometimes pushed off of him - and he can be very aggresive. But, that is really where the comparision ends. Everything about them as runners, below the waist, is night and day. As for Gore, I see it if we use a prime Gore, although, Richardson is quicker than Gore, which is impressive considering he is bigger and stronger than Gore ever was. A healthy Frank Gore is a very special football player. A bigger, quicker version of him is a guy that could be right up there with AP - which is where a lot of scouts are placing Richardson.

Good post. I can also see these similarities but think they are small parts of the whole. I watched all of Gores NFL games and none when he was at Miami and have watched all of Richardsons games at Alabama and never really saw too much similarity although I can see what's being said here. I can see things in common with Gore, Barber but also AP, Ray Rice, Garrison Hearst and many others. Direct comparisons are difficult. If a gun was to my head I'd pigeon hole him to either the Ravens Ray Rice or a young (college/early pro) Ricky Williams. In reality though he is unique.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

Really? Gore relies on his vision and making phone booth cuts. I don't think Richardson is quicker/more agile than Gore.

 

[Multiple Scores]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

Really? Gore relies on his vision and making phone booth cuts. I don't think Richardson is quicker/more agile than Gore.

Respectfully disagree and think Richardson is significantly quicker/more agile and the "phone booth" cuts go to Richardson by a mile. Disclaimer (sarcasm)- Avid 49er fan and Gore owner in both my dynasty leagues.

 

[EBF]

Not really seeing the Gore comparison, as they have two totally different body types. Gore is not much of an athlete from a measurables standpoint. He bombed in his pre-draft workouts. He looks soft in comparison to Richardson. Same story with Benson.

You're not always going to find a perfect parallel for every prospect. There is nobody in the league exactly like Trent. He is muscle-bound like Jonathan Stewart, but compact and agile like Ray Rice. He's basically the perfect RB, as he's the first RB I can remember in a while who had no weaknesses whatsoever. Peterson was great, but you had to wonder about durability given his tall build and collegiate record. With Richardson, there are no risk factors at all.

People will talk about his lack of ideal speed. Remember that the top two RBs in FF right now (LeSean McCoy and Ray Rice) aren't super fast either. I saw Ray get caught from behind many times in college. Richardson doesn't pull away from people like Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller, or Ted Ginn, but he is plenty fast. He has good initial quickness, which is a lot more important than long speed for a RB.

 

[Xue]

No. McFadden was going to step in and be a top 3 big play RB coming out of college. Stewart ran a 4.35 at 235 pounds and only went outside the top 10 due to valid and proven injury concerns. People have short memories. Richardson is top of his class and could go top 10, but he doesn't have an an uber- elite trait that puts him in the stratosphere of the two I mentioned and ADP. He surely can compete with any other RB prospect since.

I made comparisons between Stewart and David Boston. Im not saying Stewart is juicin, Im saying his frame is really too much. Thats all opinion, but I dont think his size should run like he does. His injuries I believe are a factor of that.

Vernon Davis must be juiced too? 254lbs and 4.38? How about Ben Tate? 220lbs running a 4.3?

 

[Xue]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

Really? Gore relies on his vision and making phone booth cuts. I don't think Richardson is quicker/more agile than Gore.

Are you guys serious? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLQOKjH_S3I

 

[Multiple Scores]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Totally random idea - but I would love to see the Rams trade their top 2 pick to the Browns for their two first round picks. Browns get Luck, then the Rams can go after either Richardson or Ball and an offensive lineman. If Browns want Luck so badly, would they give up 2 first rounders?

 

[Concept Coop]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Ironic that you find the thread funny, then post this. The fact that Trent plays for an SEC powerhouse is not a negative. Peterson played on an equally talented Oklahoma team.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Totally random idea - but I would love to see the Rams trade their top 2 pick to the Browns for their two first round picks. Browns get Luck, then the Rams can go after either Richardson or Ball and an offensive lineman. If Browns want Luck so badly, would they give up 2 first rounders?

How would the Browns get Luck with the No. 2 pick?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Ironic that you find the thread funny, then post this. The fact that Trent plays for an SEC powerhouse is not a negative. Peterson played on an equally talented Oklahoma team.

My apologies. It just strikes me funny to read guys getting all lathered up about T-Rich in this thread.What will we call him next summer when we're talking fantasy drafts? T-Rich? TR? T-Money? T-Sizzle 2?.....T-Rizzle?

 

[Xue]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

3:32 watch him run initially toward the Safety so he can create a better angle to outrun him. That's great open field vision for a "power" back.

 

[Multiple Scores]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Ironic that you find the thread funny, then post this. The fact that Trent plays for an SEC powerhouse is not a negative. Peterson played on an equally talented Oklahoma team.

My apologies. It just strikes me funny to read guys getting all lathered up about T-Rich in this thread.What will we call him next summer when we're talking fantasy drafts? T-Rich? TR? T-Money? T-Sizzle 2?.....T-Rizzle?

What dribble! Stop the hate. What bitterness from Ingram owners. I'm not sure if you're posts are because of anger from Ingrams suckage or payback to me and others for pointing out the suckage. Either way, you're being extremely childish.

 

[James Daulton]

A little off topic, but is there any reason to think that Stewart and DWill aren't in the top 5 NFL RBs? Both have ypc comparable or better than ADP and both have significant carries. While Stewart is dinged up all the time he rarely misses a game and even on the horrid 2010 Panthers team averaged 4.3 ypc. Is Richardson really a better prospect than Stewart or Williams?

 

[FavreCo]

A little off topic, but is there any reason to think that Stewart and DWill aren't in the top 5 NFL RBs? Both have ypc comparable or better than ADP and both have significant carries. While Stewart is dinged up all the time he rarely misses a game and even on the horrid 2010 Panthers team averaged 4.3 ypc. Is Richardson really a better prospect than Stewart or Williams?

Probably (Williams owner). However as you can see by Stewart/Williams (and their YPC averages), go to the wrong team and it doesn't matter how good you are, if there are idiots coaching you, you won't be making Pro-Bowls. The OL in Carolina is pretty good. They just don't get used enough. The team is fascinated in Cam.

 

[cstu]

I promised my thoughts in the first post, so it's only fair that I follow through...Richardson actually reminds me a lot of two guys that haven't yet been mentioned: Frank Gore and Marion Barber.

As for Gore, I see it if we use a prime Gore, although, Richardson is quicker than Gore, which is impressive considering he is bigger and stronger than Gore ever was. A healthy Frank Gore is a very special football player. A bigger, quicker version of him is a guy that could be right up there with AP - which is where a lot of scouts are placing Richardson.

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Gore at Miami was an awesome, awesome RB. No doubt in my mind that a pre-injury Gore was better than Richardson.

 

[Abraham]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

 

[Abraham]

Totally random idea - but I would love to see the Rams trade their top 2 pick to the Browns for their two first round picks. Browns get Luck, then the Rams can go after either Richardson or Ball and an offensive lineman. If Browns want Luck so badly, would they give up 2 first rounders?

How would the Browns get Luck with the No. 2 pick?

I wouldn't be shocked by this. Browns trade up for rg3 and rams slide down to get tr.

 

[Sabertooth]

How do you know Richardson is quicker than Gore? Did you watch Gore at Miami? Is this based on Gore's NFL Combine?

Using a prime, SF Gore, which I watched plenty of. Richardson makes "phone booth" moves that I don't recall seeing Gore make.

WowA prime SF Gore is a pro bowl RB. How much are you willing to bet that Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl RB in his 2nd year in the NFL?

Wow.Where did you get that out of what I said? I said Richardson looks quicker in tight spaces, his fast twich movements are more evident. What does that have to do with him making a pro-bowl, or where did you get that I am saying Richardson will be a better NFL player than Gore?

Do you think he'll be a better pro than Frank Gore?

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Are you a politician by chance? Its a simple question. Very simple.

 

[moderated]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Totally random idea - but I would love to see the Rams trade their top 2 pick to the Browns for their two first round picks. Browns get Luck, then the Rams can go after either Richardson or Ball and an offensive lineman. If Browns want Luck so badly, would they give up 2 first rounders?

How would the Browns get Luck with the No. 2 pick?

exactly

 

[scrumptrulescent]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Ironic that you find the thread funny, then post this. The fact that Trent plays for an SEC powerhouse is not a negative. Peterson played on an equally talented Oklahoma team.

My apologies. It just strikes me funny to read guys getting all lathered up about T-Rich in this thread.What will we call him next summer when we're talking fantasy drafts? T-Rich? TR? T-Money? T-Sizzle 2?.....T-Rizzle?

What dribble! Stop the hate. What bitterness from Ingram owners. I'm not sure if you're posts are because of anger from Ingrams suckage or payback to me and others for pointing out the suckage. Either way, you're being extremely childish.

I believe you meant to say drivel

This is really funny stuff when I consider the source. I've read your posts in the past....and you know drivel. Well, you don't, but you do.

I don't know that much about T-rich but I said earlier in the thread that I will be paying attention. I harbor no ill will toward T-rich nor do I against Ingram.

 

[cstu]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Totally random idea - but I would love to see the Rams trade their top 2 pick to the Browns for their two first round picks. Browns get Luck, then the Rams can go after either Richardson or Ball and an offensive lineman. If Browns want Luck so badly, would they give up 2 first rounders?

How would the Browns get Luck with the No. 2 pick?

Because they will have the #1 pick, I put top 2 so as not to jinx our loss this weekend and a Colts win over Jacksonville.

 

[Multiple Scores]

2011 Highlights

Most complete back I can think of in a long, long time. He has it all as evidenced in this video... speed, vision, balance, power, lateral agility... and most impressive to me is yards after contact.

I've got to stay away from this thread because it's just becoming comedic to me.I watched the video. I see Trent and his team going against a lot of inferior opponents....his OL looks all world and opens gaping holes for him....and he is pretty good after first contact which occurs about 20 yards past the line of scrimmage.

Ironic that you find the thread funny, then post this. The fact that Trent plays for an SEC powerhouse is not a negative. Peterson played on an equally talented Oklahoma team.

My apologies. It just strikes me funny to read guys getting all lathered up about T-Rich in this thread.What will we call him next summer when we're talking fantasy drafts? T-Rich? TR? T-Money? T-Sizzle 2?.....T-Rizzle?

What dribble! Stop the hate. What bitterness from Ingram owners. I'm not sure if you're posts are because of anger from Ingrams suckage or payback to me and others for pointing out the suckage. Either way, you're being extremely childish.

I believe you meant to say drivel

This is really funny stuff when I consider the source. I've read your posts in the past....and you know drivel. Well, you don't, but you do.

I don't know that much about T-rich but I said earlier in the thread that I will be paying attention. I harbor no ill will toward T-rich nor do I against Ingram.

Glad you got a good knee slap out of the word dribble. I meant saliva dripping out of a persons mouth, I'm pretty sure I meant dribble. if I meant drivel I'd likely have used the word worthless in conjunction with drivel. the things you say sometimes put the image of Patrick Starfish saying blah blah blah with drool dribbling down his chin.

Have a nice day Patty.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

Are you kidding me !!! As a Colts and Manning fan I can tell you that was the number one thing against Manning with regards to his mechanics. Talk about happy feet, he was eat up with it. I still see him doing it.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

that being said, will Trent go #1 in most rookie drafts??

I've been kind of wondering that too. I have the #1 rookie/free agent pick in one dynasty next year I have no idea which guy I'll take right now because we don't know where he and Luck are going. I assume Luck is the #1 in 2QB start leagues. I've been debating these two in my mind. The shelf life of a QB is longer, and if he's a top guy for 10 years, that really gives you an edge and a firm base to work off of. If Richardson is a top RB ala Rice or Foster, he could be a great piece to the championship puzzle as well. I'm leaning toward Richardson right now, but landing spot will play a huge role.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

that being said, will Trent go #1 in most rookie drafts??

I've been kind of wondering that too. I have the #1 rookie/free agent pick in one dynasty next year I have no idea which guy I'll take right now because we don't know where he and Luck are going. I assume Luck is the #1 in 2QB start leagues. I've been debating these two in my mind. The shelf life of a QB is longer, and if he's a top guy for 10 years, that really gives you an edge and a firm base to work off of. If Richardson is a top RB ala Rice or Foster, he could be a great piece to the championship puzzle as well. I'm leaning toward Richardson right now, but landing spot will play a huge role.

I'm FAR from the biggest Richardson supporter, I think he's kind of overrated on these boards. But having said that, I still think Richardson should be taken #1 overall in pretty well all leagues besides 2QB leagues.

 

[Andrew74]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

Are you kidding me !!! As a Colts and Manning fan I can tell you that was the number one thing against Manning with regards to his mechanics. Talk about happy feet, he was eat up with it. I still see him doing it.

That was the sign that you were getting to Manning - he'd start dancing everywhere. I started having flashbacks when I read this post.

 

[cstu]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

Are you kidding me !!! As a Colts and Manning fan I can tell you that was the number one thing against Manning with regards to his mechanics. Talk about happy feet, he was eat up with it. I still see him doing it.

That was the sign that you were getting to Manning - he'd start dancing everywhere. I started having flashbacks when I read this post.

See, these are things you forget about after so many years.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

Are you kidding me !!! As a Colts and Manning fan I can tell you that was the number one thing against Manning with regards to his mechanics. Talk about happy feet, he was eat up with it. I still see him doing it.

That was the sign that you were getting to Manning - he'd start dancing everywhere. I started having flashbacks when I read this post.

See, these are things you forget about after so many years.

He still does it, though.

 

[cstu]

There is no answer to this question. If he says yes then you'll come back and say he hasn't played a snap. It's a loaded question and those aren't worth an answer.

Exactly. Mel Kiper said Andrew Luck was a better prospect than Peyton Manning - that doesn't mean he is projecting Luck to go down as the best QB ever, or to have the career that Manning has.

Kiper has a bigger business to sell now then e did then. On no planet is Andrew luck a better prospect then manning.

Based on how they graded as prospects coming into the league Luck is definitely as good of a prospect.

People have forgotten that there were knocks against Manning's ability to win big games and physically Leaf was considered to have more upside. As good as I think Luck will be I think he lacks the poise that Manning has in the pocket. I've seen Luck get happy feet that I don't remember Manning having at Tennessee. He also doesn't have great arm strength, but I think sitting behind Manning for a couple years will be great for his development both physically and mentally.

Are you kidding me !!! As a Colts and Manning fan I can tell you that was the number one thing against Manning with regards to his mechanics. Talk about happy feet, he was eat up with it. I still see him doing it.

That was the sign that you were getting to Manning - he'd start dancing everywhere. I started having flashbacks when I read this post.

See, these are things you forget about after so many years.

He still does it, though.

I think most QB's do it when they get rattled though.