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Is Sanchez already done? (1 Viewer)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Saying he sucks is just dismissive and wreaks of emotion. Lots of guys suck. They suck. This guy sucks. Is he Tom Brady? No. Is he TJ Rubley? No. I don't have Sanchez in any league at all. But it isn't like he put up Gabbert's numbers. He was a Top 12 QB last season. How does that suck?
Imo. He was drafted to be a franchise qb as the 5th pick in 2009, and thought would he become a 4000+yd 30td qb, and not a game manager. I wouldnt say he sucks either, and i dont know how much the play calling had to do with it as well. I believe this may be his last year to prove himself .It is only his 3rd year also, and i think his preformance has been overshadowed by how well other qbs are doing, and having record seasons.
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DoubleG
Footballguy
Among QBs that threw at least 100 passes last season, he was 29th in QB rating - at 78.2. That put him behind such passing giants as Tarvaris Jacskon and Kevin Kolb, just to name a few.He had 3 games whre he threw for 300+ yards. 2 where he threw 3 or more TDs. By contrast he had 8 games where he threw for under 200 yards. In the final 3 games, he threw a combined 5 TDs and 7 INTs. He did lead NFL QBs in one stat though - lost fumbles - which is especially bad when you only rush the ball 37 times. He threw 26 TDs - and turned the ball over 26 times.The only reason for his "good season" in terms of his higher finish is due to the fact that he had 6 rushing TDs (to put that in perspective, that was more rushing TDs than Chris Johnson or Willis McGahee had last season - and double the amount he has had in any season). Point being, that was an outlier for him last season.So yeah, finishing near the bottom in passer rating among starters and near the top in turnovers does pretty much suck - especially when your new "backup" protects the ball much better than you do.'Sabertooth said:
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Sorry meant to say was and was comparing his stats to last years qb stats.
I agree with you. He definately needs to work harder
Clifford
Footballguy
He put up top 12 numbers, true, but his intangibles don't help. If he put up the same numbers but was a great leader, that would be different, but everything I hear and see is that he isn't. He pouts. He gets down on himself. He argues with the coach. I just don't see a future for him. At his best he's Kyle Orton.'Sabertooth said:
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Sanchez is being set up for failure. This is the worst group of WRs I've seen since the '76 Bucs.
DaMarcus Ganaway WR 25 6-2 185 R Kentucky Wesleyan Stephen Hill WR 21 6-5 206 R Georgia Tech Santonio Holmes WR 28 5-11 192 7 Ohio State Dexter Jackson WR 25 5-9 182 2 Appalachian State Jeremy Kerley WR 23 5-9 188 2 Texas Christian Scotty McKnight WR 24 5-11 185 1 Colorado Logan Payne WR 27 6-2 205 2 Minnesota Royce Pollard WR 23 6-1 175 R Hawaii Eron Riley WR 24 6-3 207 2 Duke Chaz Schilens WR 26 6-4 225 5 San Diego State Patrick Turner WR 25 6-5 220 4 USCHolmes is not close to the dynamic playmaker he was in Pittsburgh. He had 654 receiving yards in 16 games last year. And he was a locker room cancer for good measure. Then you have the prized rookie. Nobody can reasonably expect him to make much of an impact this year, coming straight from a triple-option offense at Georgia Tech. And then you have a pile of slop behind those two.
Tebow takes the reigns of this offense by week 6 (after a 1-4 start), then they start running a full-blown Army offense from 1945.
DaMarcus Ganaway WR 25 6-2 185 R Kentucky Wesleyan Stephen Hill WR 21 6-5 206 R Georgia Tech Santonio Holmes WR 28 5-11 192 7 Ohio State Dexter Jackson WR 25 5-9 182 2 Appalachian State Jeremy Kerley WR 23 5-9 188 2 Texas Christian Scotty McKnight WR 24 5-11 185 1 Colorado Logan Payne WR 27 6-2 205 2 Minnesota Royce Pollard WR 23 6-1 175 R Hawaii Eron Riley WR 24 6-3 207 2 Duke Chaz Schilens WR 26 6-4 225 5 San Diego State Patrick Turner WR 25 6-5 220 4 USCHolmes is not close to the dynamic playmaker he was in Pittsburgh. He had 654 receiving yards in 16 games last year. And he was a locker room cancer for good measure. Then you have the prized rookie. Nobody can reasonably expect him to make much of an impact this year, coming straight from a triple-option offense at Georgia Tech. And then you have a pile of slop behind those two.
Tebow takes the reigns of this offense by week 6 (after a 1-4 start), then they start running a full-blown Army offense from 1945.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree, it sure doesn't look pretty.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I can agree with that.
Borat
Footballguy
Why would "only the military vets" understand not acting like a whiny tool?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
It is not just a military thing. That was a great example of why I think Sanchez is a disappointment as an NFL QB. Since he entered the league, he has had teams loaded with talent all around him but then he manages to perform 'average'. When you see him more interested in his shoes and bag than paying attention to his coach who is basically saying everything other than "stop messing around with your crap, stop, look at me and pay attention" and he just does not get it. Then the whole rest of the show, he is joking and messing around. I can not think of one time that they showed him really being a man and professional and trying to get better. Sanchez is more interested in being on some magazine cover than he is in being a good NFL QB. He does not show any leadership skills any time I see him- whether that is in a game or on Hard Knocks. He has tons of talent but seemingly no drive or desire. Tebow is the exact opposite of him because he will work his booty off to get better and better his team. He exudes leadership and is pretty much the definition of having that "X-Factor". If Tebow does not wake Sanchez up and get him to put effort into being an NFL QB and try to develop as a leader, NO ONE can.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Sanchez has had tons of talent at WR and did nothing with it for years. Why is this going to matter now? I will agree though that Tebow will be able to do much more with this group than Sanchez could ever dream of.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Yeah... how could he have not succeeded?
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
So he's an alpha male with a noodle arm. At least Stafford could hit him deep with the car keys. Only in Trent Dilfer's world could Sanchez be the big dog over Stafford. These comparisons to a younger, struggling Eli are also misguided since despite his flaws Eli has always actually had a decent arm. Sanchez doesn't have a big arm and can't make all the throws. And he doesn't make up the difference with other intangibles.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I never thought much of Sanchez. Before the draft when his highlights were shown, the USC WRs were so wide open,nobody within 5 yards of them. I just remember thinking, "no way his guys are anywhere near this open in the NFL." The comparisons to Stafford are nuts. Stafford might have the best arm in the NFL.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He's in the coversation for it. Depends on how you define "arm" I guess.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You must have missed my post about his bad passing stats. It's near the top of this page. HTH.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
In terms of strength, accuracy, ability to make any throw on the field, and speed of release. Stafford has room to improve his accuracy, but in all other areas, Stafford is ELITE.
Holmes depends on the QB for production. If Holmes on the Patriots he'd put up Wes Welker type numbers (and he would have made that clutch catch in the super bowl). Most of last year, the Qb wasn't even looking at Santonio, that explains his poor numbers. He's still a good player, he just needs to get fed. Also you are a Raiders fan do you really think Chaz Schiliens is useless? When he was healthy he's been ok. Word out of minicamp has Schliens looking good. Don't forget Dustin Keller who was actually the Jets leading receiver last year with 65 catches.
Sanchez isn't Stafford but he's not Chad Pennington either. He's got an adequate arm and actually look at the 2009/2010 seasons he has a decent deep ball.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I think I missed that game.
DoubleG
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Has thus far been useless. Word out of minicamp is that he looked good?Wow.
Didn't know that.
Certainly never heard that before.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Game? I missed that quarter.
DoubleG
Footballguy
You are correct - Pennington never threw 18 or more INTs in a single season. Sanchez has already done that twice...in three seasons. Pennington also had a career 66% completion % compared to Sanchez' 55.3% - despite the fact that Pennington averaged more yards per attempt than Sanchez (7.2 to 6.5) - so you are right, he's not as good as Pennington was either.ETA: And the 2009 and 2010 seasons? Sanchez threw a combined 29 TD and 33 INTS - your definition of "decent" differs from mine...significantly.
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Chad certainly is a smarter player and has far better awareness of who to throw to, and when. I am not confident that Sanchez is going to be great, especially in a fantasy context. They will be putting Tebow in redzone situations and that won't be good for his stats. But he's as good a bye week filler as a dozen other names.
all i was talking about was arm strength. He's got a decent arm, not a weak arm. ***i just want to veer back to schiliens again another fact that hasn't been mentioned is that the Jets new WR coach is the Raiders former WR coach Sanjay Lal. Schiliens has a champion in that guy. people sometimes forget how political the NFL is, and how opportunities are decided by coaches and general managers. He's a player going from a bad situation (competing with DHB, Louis Murphy, Jacoby Ford and Moore) to a good situation (competing with Holmes, Hill and Patrick Turner)as for his injurys yes that sucks over time. I understand why no one has faith in his ability to stay healthy. Last year he played 15 games for the Raiders last year but only started 5 for depth chart reasons. He was hurt but played through it (an improvement over previous seasons). With DHB, Moore etc never a priority higher than #3/4 WR . but with the Jets if Stephen Hill doesn't learn quick, Schiliens could get that #2 gig. Hill might be the rawest WR in the league coming out of that offense at Tech. at the very least Schiliens is #3 WR. As previous posters noted, there's not a lot else there for him to compete against in NYJ. I don't think he's Megatron but someone's gotta replace Plexico's 8 TD.
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