Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (1 Viewer)

[Phenix]

This is insane. These coaches have one job, to win to keep their jobs. If they thought Tebow could win them games they will bring him in. The Jets bringing him in was dumb and they misused him and even thought we don't know how we was in practice the Jets probably should have given him a chance.But lets look at the facts:In his first year he started three games and played in more. After five games last year the Broncos gave him the start for the rest of the year. They had a chance to a HOF qb and maybe the biggest FA of all time and they replaced him. Maybe the Jets wronged him which backfired on them, but there is no league wide blacklisting of Tebow.

He allegedly looks like crap in practice. If true, why the hell should they put him in actual games?

We're talking about practice? practice? Not a game, not a game, but practice?Well if thats the case, they said he looked bad in practice but he has more playoff games then Manning has for the Broncos.I dont mind bad practice players if they get me further in the playoffs then a HoF'er.

 

[Phenix]

I hope he's out of the league so we can stop hearing about a ####ty backup on espn everyday.

But you have no prob hearing a bout a S####y starter in Sanchez.The reason you hear about him is because he won a bunch of games including one int he playoffs last year and couldnt start over Sanchez, problem because of Tebow or coaching, Considering track records I will say the coaches.

 

[Phenix]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

But did he get to the playoffs and win a game even. I'm sorry explain to me what the objective of this game is again. To put up good numbers, or win?

 

[Phenix]

Threads like this remind me of who the rational and irrational people are.To say he has been given a fair shot after winning games and taking a team to the playoffs, he was ousted for a banged up guy who put up better stats but did not do any better then Tebow in the playoffs. In fact, not opinion, but IN FACT, he did worse then Tebow. He was 0-1 this year.

 

[shader]

I want to reiterate that Tebow had a history of throwing the ball accurately in High School and College before the Broncos began tinkering with his throwing motion. I would like to see what would happen if Tebow was able to throw naturally. I realize its slow. But because of his size, he escapes pass rush and pressures the defensive backfield. It causes the break down in a defense. He doesn't have to have fast mechanics if he does that consistently. His running skills cause break downs. He just needs to recognize the break downs and throw the ball accurately. I think backup in Washington makes sense. I also think Andy Reid could utilize him in KC.

I agree with this. I watched Tebow play for years and he never had accuracy problems in college. The NFL is different than college but a 5 yard throw to an open wr is the same.I think the Broncos jacked his motion up. You can see hem the games were on the line and he played street ball, his ability to make solid throws is there.The problem with Tebow is in his head. He just looks jittery and confused at times. The mental side of things is what he needs work on.I don't know if he will ever get his shot. I think he deserves one based on his one season of work and the fact that he led the broncos to an amazing playoff run and even a playoff win.

 

[Phenix]

This is insane. These coaches have one job, to win to keep their jobs. If they thought Tebow could win them games they will bring him in. The Jets bringing him in was dumb and they misused him and even thought we don't know how we was in practice the Jets probably should have given him a chance.

But lets look at the facts:

In his first year he started three games and played in more. After five games last year the Broncos gave him the start for the rest of the year. They had a chance to a HOF qb and maybe the biggest FA of all time and they replaced him.

Maybe the Jets wronged him which backfired on them, but there is no league wide blacklisting of Tebow.

He allegedly looks like crap in practice. If true, why the hell should they put him in actual games?

Just curious, who is the phrase "he looked terrible in practice" attributed to; the Jets coaching staff? If so, I think we have to take that with a grain of salt.

Why? You think if he looked great in practice they would lie about it?

The Jets have already been outed by most reporters here, about their version of Tebow "quitting". I do not think the Jets version of events can be trusted while so many guys were on the hot seat this year. Last season Tebow managed to stay on the Broncos as a backup, play in a handful of plays until he was given the starting job, this year (for an inferior team) he can't even find a way to get in the field. You can say what you want about Tebow, he at least deserved to start a game in this wreck of a season for the Jets.

Why? Because he's a nice guy? The only people who "deserve" to start a game are guys who earn it. Just because Sanchez sucks doesn't mean Tebow is good. If he wanted a shot he should have earned it in practice. He couldn't.

So you are saying Jets would of had even a worse season then they had if Tebow was starting. Tell me how did the team do with Sanchez? gees, i wonder if a guy who can make things happen with his legs would have helped a team with zero weapons.Lots of pathetic minded people with agendas of bashing Tebow regardless in here. To call yourself football people makes me laugh. I am going to be this guys only voice I guess, One because it is quite easy to bury any of his critics.

All they have is, bad at practice and he is not a starter. I have a string of many wins and a playoff victory in his only season as a starter and a former caoch of the Jets saying they didnt use him properly.

My ammmo is better then yours and with my obviously smarter approach with this it is easy to smash his critics. Talking to people on here is like watching ESPN and all their rhetoric. No information just the "this is what I think" approach.

Facts: Took Denver to playoffs and won a game, Peyton to Denver to playoffs and choked.

What is the object of the game again.

Yes I compared him to Manning, call me stupid. I am comparing the last two QBs in Denver and their playoff track record with the team.

So, if Tebow is so bad, why did he win a game with the team, yet the guy going to Canton chokes? I already know the answer i will get on this board full of a bunch of rhetoric, I just speak facts.

 

[threeputt]

I am no Florida Gator fan nor am I fan of the Broncos, Jets or Jaguars ... IMO, the Jets took one for the "team" (NFL) and have effectively black balled Tim Tebow. Period.

 

[threeputt]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

 

[Black&Gold]

I am no Florida Gator fan nor am I fan of the Broncos, Jets or Jaguars ... IMO, the Jets took one for the "team" (NFL) and have effectively black balled Tim Tebow. Period.

 

[lod01]

ironic since Tebow's numbers over his first 16 games are arguably better than Elway's first 16 games

This comparison takes stupid to a whole new level. In case you have no idea why it is so stupid, explain why you are comparing Tebow to Elway of all QB's. That is when you will see the stupidity of it.I'll help ya. Hint: 'they both played for Denver.' Yeah, like I said, stupid.Hey, I got an idea for ya. Compare him to Peyton Manning, especially W-L record. It will make think Tebow is even more special.

Get help man.

That's all ya got? Face reality. Tebow sucks. Always has, always will.

 

[lod01]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

 

[RBM]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

Idiot? Really?

 

[threeputt]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

Ignorance is bliss. #NotATebowOwnerEither

 

[Wadsworth]

Is Matt Moore being given a fair shot? He took over a bad team in 2011 as well and led them to a much better record than the QB that stater the season as the #1. Unfortunately for him the Dolphins did not play in a bad division so he did not have a shot in the post season but what he did in 2011 was not much different than Tebow. Where is the uproar for Matt Moore getting the chance he deserves?Is Shaun Hill getting a fair shot? He has a career TDs/INTs ratio of 41/23 and an 85.9 rating. That is better than a lot of starting QBs. Why is he being unfairly victimized? Where is all the talk about the conspiracy to keep Shaun Hill down?

 

[squistion]

Is Matt Moore being given a fair shot? He took over a bad team in 2011 as well and led them to a much better record than the QB that stater the season as the #1. Unfortunately for him the Dolphins did not play in a bad division so he did not have a shot in the post season but what he did in 2011 was not much different than Tebow. Where is the uproar for Matt Moore getting the chance he deserves?Is Shaun Hill getting a fair shot? He has a career TDs/INTs ratio of 41/23 and an 85.9 rating. That is better than a lot of starting QBs. Why is he being unfairly victimized? Where is all the talk about the conspiracy to keep Shaun Hill down?

Oh yes, since Tim Tebow has been in the NFL he can never get away from those Matt Moore and Shaun Hill comparisons.

 

[Wadsworth]

Is Matt Moore being given a fair shot? He took over a bad team in 2011 as well and led them to a much better record than the QB that stater the season as the #1. Unfortunately for him the Dolphins did not play in a bad division so he did not have a shot in the post season but what he did in 2011 was not much different than Tebow. Where is the uproar for Matt Moore getting the chance he deserves?Is Shaun Hill getting a fair shot? He has a career TDs/INTs ratio of 41/23 and an 85.9 rating. That is better than a lot of starting QBs. Why is he being unfairly victimized? Where is all the talk about the conspiracy to keep Shaun Hill down?

Oh yes, since Tim Tebow has been in the NFL he can never get away from those Matt Moore and Shaun Hill comparisons.

That is true, Matt Moore and Shaun Hill have proven they have the ability to get and keep a back up QB job.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Is Matt Moore being given a fair shot? He took over a bad team in 2011 as well and led them to a much better record than the QB that stater the season as the #1. Unfortunately for him the Dolphins did not play in a bad division so he did not have a shot in the post season but what he did in 2011 was not much different than Tebow. Where is the uproar for Matt Moore getting the chance he deserves?Is Shaun Hill getting a fair shot? He has a career TDs/INTs ratio of 41/23 and an 85.9 rating. That is better than a lot of starting QBs. Why is he being unfairly victimized? Where is all the talk about the conspiracy to keep Shaun Hill down?

I'm assuming the age factor plays a role here and the type of QB's these guys are would have to factor in as well.With the success of the QB read option with Newton, RG3, Wilson, Kaepernick it must have at least some people intruiged about Tebow being somewhat successful in the NFL.Tebow has already had some success as an NFL QB and he is only 25 years of age and a first rounder. Maybe he could succeed if used consistently in offenses similar to what these other guys are running.

 

[Witz]

I hope he's out of the league so we can stop hearing about a ####ty backup on espn everyday.

But you have no prob hearing a bout a S####y starter in Sanchez.The reason you hear about him is because he won a bunch of games including one int he playoffs last year and couldnt start over Sanchez, problem because of Tebow or coaching, Considering track records I will say the coaches.

Seeing as you keep going on and on about how Tebow won a bunch of games including one in the playoffs - Sanchez has won many more games, has better passing statistics and has won 4 times as many playoff games as Tebow. What's your point again?

 

[SacramentoBob]

Y'know, Shaun Hill definitely deserves a shot more than Tebow. Not even close.

 

[Two Deep]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

Idiot? Really?

idiot might be a bit strong but the dummy keeps passing up on hot chicks. he can't be to bright.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Y'know, Shaun Hill definitely deserves a shot more than Tebow. Not even close.

Shaun Hill gets his shots. When he's the backup and the starter gets hurt, he gets to play. Teams didn't skip over him and go to a nobody, then go back and forth between two ineffective guys to avoid playing him.If you really want to make that comparison...fine. Hill got a shot and did nothing with it. Tebow got no shot after winning games when he got one the year before. I'm kind of amazed that people are taking a "The Jets didn't like what they saw in practice so he didn't earn a shot" argument. Now everyone trusts the Jets as some well-run ship that knows what it's doing? Teams throw bad QBs into the lineup all the time. The Jets had nothing to lose...except more ridicule if he actually won. As far as other teams go, I don't blame them. He's a distraction, and not worth the risk. The odds of him panning out (50/50 being generous) aren't worth the 100 percent chance of a circus.

 

[Warrior]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

Idiot? Really?

"Idiot" might be a bit strong, but the dummy keeps passing up on hot chicks. He can't be too bright.

Fixed 3 errors in your two sentences. You're welcome.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

1. Tebow was not given a fair shot.

2. Nobody in the NFL is owed a fair shot.



Now, if Terrelle Pryor and Ryan Lindley can get an NFL start, no reason Tebow shouldn't. I don't believe that those guys "earned" a start but Tebow didn't. He was lied to and treated poorly in New York.

Of course, he's owed nothing but his paycheck. But I don't see how anyone could say he was given a fair shot, considering the garbage some teams put behind center. Once the Jets were eliminated, all they could do is lose a meaningless game.

He did get a shot. He won games but put up some ugly numbers. He flashed some potential, yes. But he also showed a lot of the flaws scouts had claimed would be a problem. Lots of players flash some potential but never get much playing time. Sometimes guys fluke their way into a few wins. Doesn't mean they're good. If his name weren't Tim Tebow and were instead...say...John Skelton, this hype wouldn't have reached 1/10 of Tebowmania.

Tebowners won't acknowledge that he had his shot. He throws the ugliest pass in the NFL. That's why no one wants the idiot.

Idiot? Really?

idiot might be a bit strong but the dummy keeps passing up on hot chicks. he can't be to bright.

 

[Warrior]

I hope he's out of the league so we can stop hearing about a ####ty backup on espn everyday.

But you have no prob hearing a bout a S####y starter in Sanchez.The reason you hear about him is because he won a bunch of games including one int he playoffs last year and couldnt start over Sanchez, problem because of Tebow or coaching, Considering track records I will say the coaches.

Seeing as you keep going on and on about how Tebow won a bunch of games including one in the playoffs - Sanchez has won many more games, has better passing statistics and has won 4 times as many playoff games as Tebow. What's your point again?

Apples to oranges. Sanchez has had MANY more opportunities in the playoffs and that's the only reason he has more wins. On the other hand, Tebow went to the playoffs once with the Broncos, just like Peyton Manning.

 

[Wadsworth]

I hope he's out of the league so we can stop hearing about a ####ty backup on espn everyday.

But you have no prob hearing a bout a S####y starter in Sanchez.The reason you hear about him is because he won a bunch of games including one int he playoffs last year and couldnt start over Sanchez, problem because of Tebow or coaching, Considering track records I will say the coaches.

Seeing as you keep going on and on about how Tebow won a bunch of games including one in the playoffs - Sanchez has won many more games, has better passing statistics and has won 4 times as many playoff games as Tebow. What's your point again?

Apples to oranges. Sanchez has had MANY more opportunities in the playoffs and that's the only reason he has more wins. On the other hand, Tebow went to the playoffs once with the Broncos, just like Peyton Manning.

Sanchez has had many more opportunities in the playoffs because he won more playoff games. If Sanchez was 0-2 in the playoffs he would have the exact same number of playoff starts as Tebow.

 

[Witz]

I hope he's out of the league so we can stop hearing about a ####ty backup on espn everyday.

But you have no prob hearing a bout a S####y starter in Sanchez.The reason you hear about him is because he won a bunch of games including one int he playoffs last year and couldnt start over Sanchez, problem because of Tebow or coaching, Considering track records I will say the coaches.

Seeing as you keep going on and on about how Tebow won a bunch of games including one in the playoffs - Sanchez has won many more games, has better passing statistics and has won 4 times as many playoff games as Tebow. What's your point again?

Apples to oranges. Sanchez has had MANY more opportunities in the playoffs and that's the only reason he has more wins. On the other hand, Tebow went to the playoffs once with the Broncos, just like Peyton Manning.

You don't need to look far - just in this post stream alone - Phenix's statement was that Sanchez is a ####ty starter and that Tebow was much more qualified as he won a bunch of games and also won a playoff game. If his argument is that Tebow did enough to start than by that logic, Sanchez did a heck of lot more than Tebow so it makes sense Tebow wasn't starting. What's so hard to grasp with that?Wadsworth even mentioned it - the reason he had more opportunities is because he won more. Tebow - 1-1 in the playoffs in the year he went to the playoffs - Sanchez - 2-1 in the playoffs for each of the years he went to the playoffs. Even if you just take one year to compare, Sanchez did better than Tebow in the playoffs so please stop trying to hang the Tebow hat on that single (1!) playoff win.

 

[Witz]

Y'know, Shaun Hill definitely deserves a shot more than Tebow. Not even close.

Shaun Hill gets his shots. When he's the backup and the starter gets hurt, he gets to play. Teams didn't skip over him and go to a nobody, then go back and forth between two ineffective guys to avoid playing him.If you really want to make that comparison...fine. Hill got a shot and did nothing with it. Tebow got no shot after winning games when he got one the year before.

I'm kind of amazed that people are taking a "The Jets didn't like what they saw in practice so he didn't earn a shot" argument. Now everyone trusts the Jets as some well-run ship that knows what it's doing? Teams throw bad QBs into the lineup all the time. The Jets had nothing to lose...except more ridicule if he actually won.

As far as other teams go, I don't blame them. He's a distraction, and not worth the risk. The odds of him panning out (50/50 being generous) aren't worth the 100 percent chance of a circus.

It really is quite simple. When Tebow was traded, it was made clear to him that he would be a backup - not that he had a chance to compete to be the starter. Sanchez was already the entrenched starter who in the past three years had lead the team to a 28-20 regular season record (along with a 4-2 post season record) and had also gotten a contract extension in the weeks prior to the trade.

Why Tebow supporters feel that he deserved the starting gig or that he was mislead on his role on the team is behind me. Regarding the comment that the Jets didn't like what they saw in practice - I'll trust the folks that do this for a living over than someone posting on a messageboard (not speaking directly to you Neil but in general).

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

does the world owe teblows something?

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Y'know, Shaun Hill definitely deserves a shot more than Tebow. Not even close.

Shaun Hill gets his shots. When he's the backup and the starter gets hurt, he gets to play. Teams didn't skip over him and go to a nobody, then go back and forth between two ineffective guys to avoid playing him.If you really want to make that comparison...fine. Hill got a shot and did nothing with it. Tebow got no shot after winning games when he got one the year before.

I'm kind of amazed that people are taking a "The Jets didn't like what they saw in practice so he didn't earn a shot" argument. Now everyone trusts the Jets as some well-run ship that knows what it's doing? Teams throw bad QBs into the lineup all the time. The Jets had nothing to lose...except more ridicule if he actually won.

As far as other teams go, I don't blame them. He's a distraction, and not worth the risk. The odds of him panning out (50/50 being generous) aren't worth the 100 percent chance of a circus.

It really is quite simple. When Tebow was traded, it was made clear to him that he would be a backup - not that he had a chance to compete to be the starter. Sanchez was already the entrenched starter who in the past three years had lead the team to a 28-20 regular season record (along with a 4-2 post season record) and had also gotten a contract extension in the weeks prior to the trade.

Why Tebow supporters feel that he deserved the starting gig or that he was mislead on his role on the team is behind me. Regarding the comment that the Jets didn't like what they saw in practice - I'll trust the folks that do this for a living over than someone posting on a messageboard (not speaking directly to you Neil but in general).

Fair enough. He's the backup with no shot to compete for the starting gig. But then:* Sanchez plays poorly

* Sanchez gets hurt

* McElroy plays poorly

* McElroy gets hurt

And in NONE of those scenarios was he given a chance. When the starter AND third-stringer both get hurt and play poorly...it's hard to imagine what you're risking by putting the actual backup in there. A loss? Playoff elimination? What? You paid for the guy. Why not find out if he can win games for you? He did it elsewhere.

Regarding what the Jets saw in practice, I was just responding to arguments made by others (The Jets saw how bad he was in practice). We don't really know if that's even true-- but even if it is...I'm not really trusting the Jets clown car to make the right call. Is he so bad that they lose five games in one afternoon? Is he so bad that they get booted back to the AFL? They forfeit their contract at the new stadium? What?

Let's pretend Tebow isn't Tebow. He's just a guy. He's won games (including a playoff game) and you traded for him in the offseason. Your starter is awful, and he gets hurt. Your third-stringer plays poorly and he gets hurt. Why wouldn't you put in the guy you traded for-- the guy who has won a playoff game-- a chance to start a game?

Either he's so awful you'd rather just fold up your tent and lose "better" with someone else, or you're afraid he might fluke into some meaningless wins and cause a media circus in your organization. You can believe the former...I'll take the latter.

 

[lod01]

Kinda wished they would have given him a shot against the Bills. All kidding aside, the Jets would have won that game. However, not letting him near the field and taking the loss was the best move for the Jets longterm. With a Tebow win, the media would have called for him to be their 2013 starting QB.Tebow is the kind of guy who can make a really bad team better. He can take a team up to mediocre levels with ugly unorthodox QB play. However, if he was on a team that puts up huge points, they would flop and be brought down to mediocre. Imagine Tebow with something like 'The Greatest Show on Turf', the 2007 Patriots, the Brees-led Saints, etc. What a disaster that would be. If you want to score points, this guy is not going to help. If you need to score points, forget it. The Broncos went from 25th in points to 2nd with the same O by simply inserting an NFL QB.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

at people thinking the Jets didn't want to win with Tebow because it would give Rex Ryan too much attention. He's definitely one to shy away from the limelight.

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

at people thinking the Jets didn't want to win with Tebow because it would give Rex Ryan too much attention. He's definitely one to shy away from the limelight.

I haven't seen anyone say that. I think they were afraid he'd fluke into some wins, causing more drama when they already decided to part ways with him. The worst thing for them would be to start him, have him win a couple of games, and caause a firestorm.Nobody is afraid of too much attention. They're afraid of making a break with a player even more difficult. Elway had to pretend he was happy his team was winning last year. They didn't want that kind of scenario to happen.If they already knew he wasn't the answer, why stir up the possibility of more drama by making it look like they blew it again?I don't pretend to know what's in the confused brains of Jets management. I'm just speculating. But it was clear they would have started a punter over Tebow, even when they had nothing to lose. Obviously they weren't afraid of losing...so maybe they were afraid of winning meaningless games with a guy they didn't want anymore. Is that so impossible?

 

[Jewell]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

 

[GregR]

Threads like this remind me of who the rational and irrational people are.To say he has been given a fair shot after winning games and taking a team to the playoffs, he was ousted for a banged up guy who put up better stats but did not do any better then Tebow in the playoffs. In fact, not opinion, but IN FACT, he did worse then Tebow. He was 0-1 this year.

The only way that would be true is if having the #4 seed and having to win an elimination game in the wildcard round is more desirable than having the #1 seed and a bye that week that lets you rest your players and get them healthy.

 

[squistion]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-Christian or being politically correct and not wanting to offend minorities IMO.There is no way to prove it, but I am certain if Timmy were a Muslim and bowed to Mecca and prayed during games instead of Tebowing, he would have caught the same amount of flak that he did in Denver (probably a lot more from those on the religious right). And I am sure opening each post-game press conference saying "Allah Akbar" would not have been any better received that "I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The problem was not really so much about what he said or did, it was the fact he was so in-your-face about it. This is not even close to wearing a cross on the sidelines or giving speeches outside of a post game press conference. Because he was such a high profile player he forced people to deal with this issue in the context of a game setting and the reaction was foreseeable.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I see the 73 page Tebow Era thread and decided this deserves its own thread.

Tebow has been a winning QB in the NFL. He provided a dimension that has caused numerous copycats around the league. Washington, Carolina and San Francisco, just to name a few, have run a version of the read-option this year following its success with Tebow last year.

However, I am saying that Tebow provides an element none of the other QBs do - durability of a fullback/H-Back. I feel he has a different frame than any of the other people playing the position. He has been running the read option since high school. He can handle a 200+ carry season. Tim brings a power running game to the QB position. As a fan of power running teams like Pittsburgh or the NYG, I know football is won or lost by your ability to dominate a 10 yard area from the line of scrimmage. Especially in the 4th quarter, Tebow helps you dominate that 10 yard area.

I still believe he has not been used properly yet. I believe he needs to run the ball at least 10 times a game. Get 20+ runs out of your running back and you can expect the defense to be hurting. Because he CAN run 20 times in a game, the safety HAS to respect the QB rushing. There is no one in the game that will force the safety in the box like Tebow. So there is usually no help over the top on defense. Which is why the deep ball opens up.

I think the biggest problem with Tebow is that the coaches tinkered too much with his throwing motion. Because of the safety crowding the line, I don't think that Tebow needs to have the fastest throwing motion. Or even a fast motion. He needs to see the defense and throw accurately when people are open. I think the coaches should stop listening to Steve Young, who has been trying to change his motion in a way so Tebow could fit into a west coast offense, and let Tebow just chuck the ball like a baseball the way he does. I am telling you accuracy of his throws was not a problem in high school or college. It was always the speed of his delivery. People need to see whether he can use his slow mechanics in the nfl. He has earned that. If he was accurate on his throws, there would be no debate.

To the point of the post, I think he was brought to New York strictly as a publicity stunt to trump the Giants following the Super Bowl win. The owner of the Jets should be ashamed. At the least, he set back the career of Tebow, who appeared promising. In the end, Tebow won games and could still win games with 15 creative read-option plays in a run based offense. I think he is getting the shaft.

This is really turning me off from the NFL and the media that covers it. Nobody can say that he was given a fair shot. Nobody. I see some of these average QBs get gigs time and time again with NO success, EVER. This guy, was a standout in college...has won everywhere he has played, and has always been a professional leader in life and the lockerroom. He gets a chance to shine in Denver and does. He gets kicked out. He goes to NY waiting for Sanchez to fail and come in a take over. He never gets his shot because the team is afraid that he will win. Don't tell me that this doesn't have to do with him being vocal about his belief either. That is the ONLY sane reason. I've watchted the NFL for 25 years and have never seen anything like this. This guy is a winner, plain and simple and is being black-balled by the NFL.

What gets me now is that this has moved directly from "Is Tebow a worthy 1st round pick and possible starting QB?" to "will Tebow ever be on an NFL roster again?"Wilson, Kaepernick, Griffin - Tebow does NOT belong in a mile of any conversation with any of those guys, BUT the reality is that the college game and its running QB innovations (beginning but not ending with Urban Meyer at Utah, Florida...) is creeping into the NFL. Tebow's passing game, his mechanics, his understanding are not up to par - but he can run, make the occasional big play passing and he can win.

One possibility is that Tebow does make a joke of the passing game (with the occasional big play aside) and yet he still wins. This is NOT the product image the NFL wishes to convey; it is so 1947 Steve Van Buren.

What if this game, which has ghosts of its inception from the turn of the 20th century before the forward pass was even created, and an official birth date of 1919, actually allowed a running QB to win without being successful passing? Oh-no.

But will the jury please look at the DRECK that so often get handed clipboards as NFL backup quarterbacks in this league? I mean man oh man, we have all seen a lot of football and the very worst has got to be when some incompetent backup QB gets forced into starting lineups because of injury to the starter.

Tebow should not be out of the NFL.

How insane is it that the media and some fans give their teams' management a pass because the idea is to have a backup QB who is SO bad that no one in management/coaching can be blamed for not calling for that backup to be made the starter. So the argument and concern is that Tebow might come in and actually play well enough to WIN (and generate conversation he should be the 2013 starter) - so therefore Jets' management is supposed to be forgiven because the team they put together (and most importantly the starting QB) is so bad that that needed to be considered in the first place?

And so other teams do not want the pressure that comes with Tebow knowing that if things start to slide that fans may be calling for Tebow, who is exciting and does every possible thing to win (and just might)? So it would be better to have an absolutely kraptastic backup instead?

How screwed up is this?

 

[Jewell]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-Christian or being politically correct and not wanting to offend minorities IMO.There is no way to prove it, but I am certain if Timmy were a Muslim and bowed to Mecca and prayed during games instead of Tebowing, he would have caught the same amount of flak that he did in Denver (probably a lot more from those on the religious right). And I am sure opening each post-game press conference saying "Allah Akbar" would not have been any better received that "I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The problem was not really so much about what he said or did, it was the fact he was so in-your-face about it. This is not even close to wearing a cross on the sidelines or giving speeches outside of a post game press conference. Because he was such a high profile player he forced people to deal with this issue in the context of a game setting and the reaction was foreseeable.

Evander Holyfield, in his prime, was a pretty high profile athlete, right?And a world heavyweight championship bout is a pretty high profile event, right?

And a world heavyweight championship bout against Mike Tyson is about as high profile sporting event as you can get, right?

Well, for those bouts the evangelical Evander wore robes inscribed with Bible verses and he entered the ring to Gospel music.

Evander also gave interviews before those big-time bouts with big-time interviewers like Jim Gray that went like this...

Tyson-Holyfield, PRE-FIGHT interview, November 9, 1996

Holyfield: Well, you know, I'm led by the Holy Spirit, so whatever I do, I know I will have enough to win.

Gray: In fact, you have invoked God in saying that God is on your side, in essence, and you have said that it is His will that you win tonight. Now that has drawn the ire of Mike Tyson, with him saying, "Well, God doesn't like me?" Is God picking sides? . . . I mean, do you really think that God is involved in this fight?

Holyfield: Well, there's no doubt. This fight will shake the whole world. And it's more than I guess I can explain right now at this time.

You'd agree that's some in your face religiosity on par if not greater than Tebow's, right?

Yet I don't recall Holyfield getting attacked at all about his in-your-face Christianity from the same demographic (overwhelming white Liberals) that feel comfortable attacking Tebow.

I stand by my point.

 

[Wadsworth]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-Christian or being politically correct and not wanting to offend minorities IMO.There is no way to prove it, but I am certain if Timmy were a Muslim and bowed to Mecca and prayed during games instead of Tebowing, he would have caught the same amount of flak that he did in Denver (probably a lot more from those on the religious right). And I am sure opening each post-game press conference saying "Allah Akbar" would not have been any better received that "I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The problem was not really so much about what he said or did, it was the fact he was so in-your-face about it. This is not even close to wearing a cross on the sidelines or giving speeches outside of a post game press conference. Because he was such a high profile player he forced people to deal with this issue in the context of a game setting and the reaction was foreseeable.

Evander Holyfield, in his prime, was a pretty high profile athlete, right?And a world heavyweight championship bout is a pretty high profile event, right?

And a world heavyweight championship bout against Mike Tyson is about as high profile sporting event as you can get, right?

Well, for those bouts the evangelical Evander wore robes inscribed with Bible verses and he entered the ring to Gospel music.

Evander also gave interviews before those big-time bouts with big-time interviewers like Jim Gray that went like this...

Tyson-Holyfield, PRE-FIGHT interview, November 9, 1996

Holyfield: Well, you know, I'm led by the Holy Spirit, so whatever I do, I know I will have enough to win.

Gray: In fact, you have invoked God in saying that God is on your side, in essence, and you have said that it is His will that you win tonight. Now that has drawn the ire of Mike Tyson, with him saying, "Well, God doesn't like me?" Is God picking sides? . . . I mean, do you really think that God is involved in this fight?

Holyfield: Well, there's no doubt. This fight will shake the whole world. And it's more than I guess I can explain right now at this time.

You'd agree that's some in your face religiosity on par if not greater than Tebow's, right?

Yet I don't recall Holyfield getting attacked at all about his in-your-face Christianity from the same demographic (overwhelming white Liberals) that feel comfortable attacking Tebow.

I stand by my point.

You seem a lot more worried about Tebow's religon than 99% of the football fans I know, including so called Tebow haters. The vast majority of people that are down on Tebow do not care at all about his gospel. They are not down on him because he is an outspoken Christian, they are down on him because he is not a good QB and his fans will never shut up.

 

[squistion]

This has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-Christian or being politically correct and not wanting to offend minorities IMO.

There is no way to prove it, but I am certain if Timmy were a Muslim and bowed to Mecca and prayed during games instead of Tebowing, he would have caught the same amount of flak that he did in Denver (probably a lot more from those on the religious right). And I am sure opening each post-game press conference saying "Allah Akbar" would not have been any better received that "I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The problem was not really so much about what he said or did, it was the fact he was so in-your-face about it. This is not even close to wearing a cross on the sidelines or giving speeches outside of a post game press conference. Because he was such a high profile player he forced people to deal with this issue in the context of a game setting and the reaction was foreseeable.

Evander Holyfield, in his prime, was a pretty high profile athlete, right?And a world heavyweight championship bout is a pretty high profile event, right?

And a world heavyweight championship bout against Mike Tyson is about as high profile sporting event as you can get, right?

Well, for those bouts the evangelical Evander wore robes inscribed with Bible verses and he entered the ring to Gospel music.

Evander also gave interviews before those big-time bouts with big-time interviewers like Jim Gray that went like this...

Tyson-Holyfield, PRE-FIGHT interview, November 9, 1996

Holyfield: Well, you know, I'm led by the Holy Spirit, so whatever I do, I know I will have enough to win.

Gray: In fact, you have invoked God in saying that God is on your side, in essence, and you have said that it is His will that you win tonight. Now that has drawn the ire of Mike Tyson, with him saying, "Well, God doesn't like me?" Is God picking sides? . . . I mean, do you really think that God is involved in this fight?

Holyfield: Well, there's no doubt. This fight will shake the whole world. And it's more than I guess I can explain right now at this time.

You'd agree that's some in your face religiosity on par if not greater than Tebow's, right?

Yet I don't recall Holyfield getting attacked at all about his in-your-face Christianity from the same demographic (overwhelming white Liberals) that feel comfortable attacking Tebow.

I stand by my point.

Boxing to a certain extent has always had an element of theatre, so it is not really analogous to NFL Football. And Cassius Clay when he converted to the Muslim faith to become Mohammad Ali certainly wasn't spared any bad press at the time because he was black.

 

[Jewell]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

This has absolutely nothing to do with being anti-Christian or being politically correct and not wanting to offend minorities IMO.There is no way to prove it, but I am certain if Timmy were a Muslim and bowed to Mecca and prayed during games instead of Tebowing, he would have caught the same amount of flak that he did in Denver (probably a lot more from those on the religious right). And I am sure opening each post-game press conference saying "Allah Akbar" would not have been any better received that "I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ."

The problem was not really so much about what he said or did, it was the fact he was so in-your-face about it. This is not even close to wearing a cross on the sidelines or giving speeches outside of a post game press conference. Because he was such a high profile player he forced people to deal with this issue in the context of a game setting and the reaction was foreseeable.

Evander Holyfield, in his prime, was a pretty high profile athlete, right?And a world heavyweight championship bout is a pretty high profile event, right?

And a world heavyweight championship bout against Mike Tyson is about as high profile sporting event as you can get, right?

Well, for those bouts the evangelical Evander wore robes inscribed with Bible verses and he entered the ring to Gospel music.

Evander also gave interviews before those big-time bouts with big-time interviewers like Jim Gray that went like this...

Tyson-Holyfield, PRE-FIGHT interview, November 9, 1996

Holyfield: Well, you know, I'm led by the Holy Spirit, so whatever I do, I know I will have enough to win.

Gray: In fact, you have invoked God in saying that God is on your side, in essence, and you have said that it is His will that you win tonight. Now that has drawn the ire of Mike Tyson, with him saying, "Well, God doesn't like me?" Is God picking sides? . . . I mean, do you really think that God is involved in this fight?

Holyfield: Well, there's no doubt. This fight will shake the whole world. And it's more than I guess I can explain right now at this time.

You'd agree that's some in your face religiosity on par if not greater than Tebow's, right?

Yet I don't recall Holyfield getting attacked at all about his in-your-face Christianity from the same demographic (overwhelming white Liberals) that feel comfortable attacking Tebow.

I stand by my point.

You seem a lot more worried about Tebow's religon than 99% of the football fans I know, including so called Tebow haters. The vast majority of people that are down on Tebow do not care at all about his gospel. They are not down on him because he is an outspoken Christian, they are down on him because he is not a good QB and his fans will never shut up.

I could care less about Tebow's religion. I'm an atheist.And I agree that a great many people, if not most, dislike Tebow because the media gives him the attention of a superstar which he doesn't deserve because he sucks.

With all that said, you're fooling yourself if you don't think that a good portion of the backlash against Tebow is because he's so vocal about his religion.

I'll concede that non-Christian athletes and minority athletes have also been attacked for outwardly expressing their religious views. Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf (formerly Chris Jackson) is somewhat of an example of this, yet I'd note that most of the criticism of Rauf (who was a black Muslim) came mainly because Rau refused to stand for the National Anthem which he objected to citing his religious beliefs . It's unclear whether his beliefs alone, minus refusing to stand for the anthe, would have caused controversy. Doubtful since Hakeem Olajuwon was a black man and Muslim playing at the same time and beloved by fans.

Personally, I could care less about any individuals religious beliefs whether it's Tebow, Holyfield, Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, or so on. A poster noted that Ray Lewis makes similar Christian references as Tebow but without the critism. My posts were not to defend Christianity nor Tebow's QB skills (which are indefensible), but instead to posit a reason as to why Tebow is treated differently than Ray Lewis among those who take issue with athletes that are vocal about their Christianity.

 

[delusional]

The Jets really screwed him this year. He pretty much has to find a team and start completely over, thats if a team is willingly to give him a shot now. Jets pretty much killed his NFL career.

 

[Buffaloes]

his brother and his fanbase probably aren't doing him too many favors. the latter could be a big factor in teams deciding whether it's worth it to bring him on board.

 

[ICON211]

The Jets really screwed him this year. He pretty much has to find a team and start completely over, thats if a team is willingly to give him a shot now. Jets pretty much killed his NFL career.

The Jets did not help his career, but if he can play QB effectively as many people are claiming here then they did not hurt it either, much less kill it. If the Jets are completely incompetent talent evaluators and another team signs him they will see how good he is and that he needs to be on the field.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

his brother and his fanbase probably aren't doing him too many favors. the latter could be a big factor in teams deciding whether it's worth it to bring him on board.

Can someone explain this?1. A player brings a fan base to a franchise, that's good, right?2. If the starting QB plays well and the team plays well, no issue, right? But If the starting QB and the team falter, the team will need someone who can step in and possibly win, and so the fans (TT fan base or not) will be calling for the backup, right?No. 1 means more money (jerseys, tickets, ratings, etc.)No. 2 is the same as every other team in the NFL.

 

[Buffaloes]

his brother and his fanbase probably aren't doing him too many favors. the latter could be a big factor in teams deciding whether it's worth it to bring him on board.

Can someone explain this?1. A player brings a fan base to a franchise, that's good, right?

not when it seems like your fanbase is Barnum & Bailey

 

[squistion]

The Jets really screwed him this year. He pretty much has to find a team and start completely over, thats if a team is willingly to give him a shot now. Jets pretty much killed his NFL career.

The Jets did not help his career, but if he can play QB effectively as many people are claiming here then they did not hurt it either, much less kill it. If the Jets are completely incompetent talent evaluators and another team signs him they will see how good he is and that he needs to be on the field.

Mike Florio on his PFT morning show was talking about this last week and said that the Jets pretty much did seriously hurt his career because the season ending winning streak and the 2011 playoff win are pretty much forgotten now and are practically ancient history in the minds of most fans.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

his brother and his fanbase probably aren't doing him too many favors. the latter could be a big factor in teams deciding whether it's worth it to bring him on board.

Can someone explain this?1. A player brings a fan base to a franchise, that's good, right?

not when it seems like your fanbase is Barnum & Bailey

That I get, but P.T. Barnum made a lot of real money.

 

[ICON211]

The Jets really screwed him this year. He pretty much has to find a team and start completely over, thats if a team is willingly to give him a shot now. Jets pretty much killed his NFL career.

The Jets did not help his career, but if he can play QB effectively as many people are claiming here then they did not hurt it either, much less kill it. If the Jets are completely incompetent talent evaluators and another team signs him they will see how good he is and that he needs to be on the field.

Mike Florio on his PFT morning show was talking about this last week and said that the Jets pretty much did seriously hurt his career because the season ending winning streak and the 2011 playoff win are pretty much forgotten now and are practically ancient history in the minds of most fans.

Its not forgotten if you read this board. On this board it is the greatest performance in sports history that should have earned him a starting gig for the next 15 years. And what team do the fans own that would possibly employ him? If he can play QB someone will give him a shot. The fact is, however, that he is a really bad QB.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

In 2011 the Broncos under Tebow went 7 - 4. They played 3 playoff teams, going 1-2, only beating the Bears in the middle of their 5 game losing streak after Cutler went down.They backed into the playoffs losing their last three, getting blown out by the Pats and Bills and losing 7-3 (SEVEN TO THREE!) to a Chiefs team with literally nothing to play for. In the Chiefs game, Tebow went 6 of 22 for 60 yards and 1 int. Maybe the NYJ screwed Tebow, but the NFL is not screwing over Tebow. There is a rich body of data that teams are looking at and deciding that this player is not worth bringing in to develop an entire offense around.So maybe no team wants him as a starter, so you imagine bringing him in as backup and creating a constant distraction whenever Ponder or Tannehill or Freeman has a bad day? Would you want to develop what you are hoping is your franchise QB in that environment?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

.... Furthermore, I AM a Ray Lewis fan and he gets pass after pass for getting on his stump about God. Nobody writes story's about it much less mentions it. Tebow thanks The Lord and it splits party's like the fiscal cliff.

Mike Singletary also didn't get nearly as much as flak as Tebow even though Singletary was wearing a giant cross on the sideline and invoking God in speeches.I know why this is. It's because those who are the most vehemently anti-Christian (and thus feel the need to lash out at Tebow) are generally also the people that are the most vehemently politically correct.

Notice that when Prop 8 was passed in California activists quickly attacked the Mormon Church for drumming up both money and support among voters for Prop 8, but the activists hardly said a word about black churches also drumming up money and support among voters for Prop 8 (which was definitely reflected in the final voting tallies.)

It's the same dynamic with the hadore animal activists. We see PETA members throwing blood on old socialite ladies who are wearing fur coats, but we don't see too much blood being thrown on Michael Irvin or Snoop Dogg when they wear fur coats.

These people are afraid that if they hold minorities to the same standard that they hold white people it may, somehow, come across as being racist. To them avoiding that appearance is more important than equally applying the principle they advocate. I've seen it a million times. Granted, I'd prefer that such people didn't vehemently attack anybody for what they believe or what they wear, but if you're going to attack some people for what they believe or what they wear while while not attacking others for doing the same thing, then you look like a ##### and it's hard for me to take your message seriously.

I'm Jewish and I'm the biggest Tebow supporter around. It has nothing to do with his religion. Its his throwing motion. Get serious.