Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (1 Viewer)

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

I get that his play has a lot to do with him not getting a shot somewhere... Heck he sucks at practice too so it ain't like he installs confidence that he would be able to get it done in a real game except for the fact that he did... He is a polarizing leader who can't consistently throw well enough to get or keep a starting jobWith all of that said, however, lets not pretend that even if teams thought he could develop and be a legit qb that the media circus and fanatic fan base wouldn't scare them away... It's all partof the picture like it or now.Take ocho cinco for example... The attention that he brings when he is on your team and the distraction that he can be when he opens his mouth eventually outweighed what teams felt he could bring to the table... Reportedly he was excelling in Miami on the field and omar Kelly whom I respect and admire as a legit source on all things dolphins was surprised how good ocho looked... The distraction became too muchTeams have to weigh that with certain players all the time!! Sometimes it's worth it and sometimes it's not but clearly they don't think it's worth it for a below average QB with fantastic intangibles

Ocho Cinco got cut for hitting his wife.

Part of the story yeah but many a player has hit their wife or raped a girl in the bathroom or slammed a strippers face off the stage I mean who HASN'T done that?!So at some pt every team has to weigh whether its worth it or not to put up with the "mess" whether its brought on to the player through his legal issues or whether its because u are followed by a bunch of crazy people that don't think rationally about football... The "mess" is a big issueTebow is NOT good enough as a QB to overcome the media coverage or Tebow maniacs... It's a huge distraction

 

[DropKick]

The QB position is sink or swim. If you don't succeed, how long of an audition can you expect? Tebow had his shot and, although his team won some games, he wasn't impressive as a QB. for the record, I couldn't care less about his religious beliefs and consider myself a Tebow supporter. He is likable enough and, in general, I'll root for an underdog or a good story.

Historically, I think there were QBs "not given a shot" due to their race or even stature. But, I believe Tebow got his shot primarily due to his running ability and what be brought to the position physically. However, his ability in that facet of the game didn't make up for his shortcomings as a passer. A few years ago, he brought something relatively rare to the position. Now, with the emergence of the Wilsons and Kaepernicks of the league, it is far less unique.

 

[Witz]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practice too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

 

[ducktales]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practice too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

 

[cstu]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practi

ce too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

 

[ducktales]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practi

ce too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

 

[Witz]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at pract

ice too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

There you have it. Why is it that Tebow supporters seem to make excuse after excuse for Tebow?

So practice, an important tool utilized by all sports teams, is irrelevant when it comes to Tebow because he's a reactionary type of guy? Come on now.

Enough as well with the 'religious persecution' that you think is being heaped upon Tebow. It's already been proven time and time again that there are many individuals who are just as religious than Tebow who aren't being discriminated.

 

[Jeremy]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practi

ce too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

Tebow isn't a punter. He plays quarterback. Quality QBs are in extremely high demand. Even slightly better than average QBs are pulling in 8 figures. If he could play, teams would be more than willing to put up with the distraction. Nobody booted Kurt Warner out of the league.

His situation is a little complicated, but the main reason he isn't playing right now is that NFL coaches and GMs don't think he's very good. Apparently all 32 teams feel this way. Some of them might not mind developing him as a backup, but that's where his extreme fame really hurts him. The value of Tebow as a backup QB doesn't exceed the distraction.

 

[Christo]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practi

ce too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Ahmad Bradshaw

Nick Barnett

Brandon Moore

Dwight Freeney

Daryl Smith

Brian Urlacher

John Abraham

Charles Woodson

Josh Cribbs

Brandon Lloyd

Max Starks

Eric Winston

Kerry Rhodes

Sheldon Brown

 

[Banger]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

>>

Heck he sucks at practi

ce too>

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two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. Hes about breaking away from Eric Smiths safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the teams charter flight before takeoff.

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

. Teams hire guys that they think will help them win games. Teams will hire druggies, murders, wife beaters, and rapists but they aren't going to hire guy because he likes god?. Did he just turn religious or did people recently figure it out because he did get drafted in the 1st and then a team traded for him despite his love of god. Ridiculous.

 

[az_prof]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practice too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

It could also be indicative of the fact that most of his career he has not been the featured QB, playing with the 1s, and getting the most reps.

 

[az_prof]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at pract

p>i ce too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

“Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. He’s about breaking away from Eric Smith’s safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the team’s charter flight before takeoff.”

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

“The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.”

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

There you have it. Why is it that Tebow supporters seem to make excuse after excuse for Tebow?

So practice, an important tool utilized by all sports teams, is irrelevant when it comes to Tebow because he's a reactionary type of guy? Come on now.

Enough as well with the 'religious persecution' that you think is being heaped upon Tebow. It's already been proven time and time again that there are many individuals who are just as religious than Tebow who aren't being discriminated.

I was not a Tebow supporter until I saw him win on the field in the NFL. Since bringing his team to the playoffs after assuming a team that was on a death spiral, and helping them win a playoff game, he has not been given a chance. You can repeat the propaganda all you want from Denver and NY, but the fact remains, he has had more success in the NFL than a lot of guys who were given two or three years of starting opportunity. Until he fails on the field, Tebow believers will continue to dispute the NFL's standard line.

 

[ICON211]

I was not a Tebow supporter until I saw him win on the field in the NFL. Since bringing his team to the playoffs after assuming a team that was on a death spiral, and helping them win a playoff game, he has not been given a chance. You can repeat the propaganda all you want from Denver and NY, but the fact remains, he has had more success in the NFL than a lot of guys who were given two or three years of starting opportunity. Until he fails on the field, Tebow believers will continue to dispute the NFL's standard line.

His record as a starter is 8-6 which is good. In 2011 Denver lost their last three games and he was awful in those games and they backed into the playoffs. Yes, he played really well in the playoff game vs. Pit. He was miserable in the divisional round against New England. His career completion percentage is 47.9. That is beyond bad. The NFL is now a passing league. He can not throw the ball. If he is your starter there are going to be games where having him at QB gives you no chance of winning.

 

[humpback]

Tebow isn't a punter. He plays quarterback. Quality QBs are in extremely high demand. Even slightly better than average QBs are pulling in 8 figures. If he could play, teams would be more than willing to put up with the distraction. Nobody booted Kurt Warner out of the league.

His situation is a little complicated, but the main reason he isn't playing right now is that NFL coaches and GMs don't think he's very good. Apparently all 32 teams feel this way. Some of them might not mind developing him as a backup, but that's where his extreme fame really hurts him. The value of Tebow as a backup QB doesn't exceed the distraction.

You sure about that? He kind of throws like one.

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Let's not cry for Timmy

Who is crying?

Heck he sucks at practice too

two things to remember, he sucked at practice according to the jets, a joke of a franchise, and what made Tebow great was being clutch, so obviously he would play better in real games than practice.

Understanding that you're a really big Tebow supporter so your view is probably clouded, but it was not just the Jets that noted he did horrible in practices. Denver also said the same thing and even other Tebow supporters concede the fact that he doesn't perform well in practice. This isn't just an observation that was only noted by the Jets.

Not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2012/05/25/tebow-practice-struggles/13630/

Practice is about following diagrams and directions. Games are about reacting. Tebow is not about diagrams. Hes about breaking away from Eric Smiths safety blitz with the game in the balance and the seconds ticking down and running in for a game-winning 20-yard touchdown with 58 seconds left, a clutch play that gave Jets coach Rex Ryan such a bad case of indigestion, paramedics had to be called to the teams charter flight before takeoff.

I can't say this enough, jets organization is a joke, anything they said regarding tebow has zero credibility.

which is why I can't take stuff like this serious

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/tebow-terrible-jets-mates-rip-qb-article-1.1201722

The prevailing thought in the organization is that Tebow is nothing more than a gimmick.

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

Because he is being discriminated against for being religious.

Tebow isn't a punter. He plays quarterback. Quality QBs are in extremely high demand. Even slightly better than average QBs are pulling in 8 figures. If he could play, teams would be more than willing to put up with the distraction. Nobody booted Kurt Warner out of the league.

His situation is a little complicated, but the main reason he isn't playing right now is that NFL coaches and GMs don't think he's very good. Apparently all 32 teams feel this way. Some of them might not mind developing him as a backup, but that's where his extreme fame really hurts him. The value of Tebow as a backup QB doesn't exceed the distraction.

That last line sums it up for me... Not good enough to start in the minds of all 32 teams and those teams aren't willing to bring the circus to town for a backup qb

 

[ducktales]

Enough as well with the 'religious persecution' that you think is being heaped upon Tebow. It's already been proven time and time again that there are many individuals who are just as religious than Tebow who aren't being discriminated.

I guess you didn’t read the link I posted before. Here ill post it for you http://icumobile.org/site/news/why-tim-tebow-makes-us-uncomfortable/

“To most it seems as though these exorbitantly wealthy, high profile, huge ego athletes congratulate themselves for having God on their side. We see that, though they profess Christ publicly, they often live in opposition to their professed faith. Our cyncial secular society has created an environment where the disconnect between what a professing Christian says and what they actually do doesn’t bother most of us.

Perhaps the hypocrisy is actually comforting to most of the world. Especially true for those who don’t believe in or follow Jesus. For many, it becomes confirmation that the Bible is not relevant for the world today. The hypocritical Christian is a Christian that non-believers are comfortable with. That stereotype feeds their cynicism and fuels their anti-Christian commentaries. Along comes Tim Tebow, who doesn’t fit that stereotype, and his genuine faith in action bothers the unbeliever.”

 

[Wise Old Owl]

I was not a Tebow supporter until I saw him win on the field in the NFL. Since bringing his team to the playoffs after assuming a team that was on a death spiral, and helping them win a playoff game, he has not been given a chance. You can repeat the propaganda all you want from Denver and NY, but the fact remains, he has had more success in the NFL than a lot of guys who were given two or three years of starting opportunity. Until he fails on the field, Tebow believers will continue to dispute the NFL's standard line.

His record as a starter is 8-6 which is good. In 2011 Denver lost their last three games and he was awful in those games and they backed into the playoffs. Yes, he played really well in the playoff game vs. Pit. He was miserable in the divisional round against New England. His career completion percentage is 47.9. That is beyond bad. The NFL is now a passing league. He can not throw the ball. If he is your starter there are going to be games where having him at QB gives you no chance of winning.

This is really what it comes down to, he played just well enough for the running game and defense to carry him to some wins which was certainly helped by teams falling into prevent defenses (hence the 4th quarter comebacks). He did play well in the Pit playoff game but was hardly the reason why the team was there. The "all he does is win argument is a myth.

The other issue we don't discuss much is that an offense would have to be completely tailored to his strengths for him to excel his playing style leaves him vulnerable to injury, I don't see many teams willing to take such a large risk. Look how willing the Skins were to risk RG3's health instead of using Cousins even though he demonstrated he may be capable, changing an entire offense mid season is a difficult task

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

 

[matuski]

Enough as well with the 'religious persecution' that you think is being heaped upon Tebow. It's already been proven time and time again that there are many individuals who are just as religious than Tebow who aren't being discriminated.

I guess you didn’t read the link I posted before. Here ill post it for you http://icumobile.org/site/news/why-tim-tebow-makes-us-uncomfortable/

“To most it seems as though these exorbitantly wealthy, high profile, huge ego athletes congratulate themselves for having God on their side. We see that, though they profess Christ publicly, they often live in opposition to their professed faith. Our cyncial secular society has created an environment where the disconnect between what a professing Christian says and what they actually do doesn’t bother most of us.

Perhaps the hypocrisy is actually comforting to most of the world. Especially true for those who don’t believe in or follow Jesus. For many, it becomes confirmation that the Bible is not relevant for the world today. The hypocritical Christian is a Christian that non-believers are comfortable with. That stereotype feeds their cynicism and fuels their anti-Christian commentaries. Along comes Tim Tebow, who doesn’t fit that stereotype, and his genuine faith in action bothers the unbeliever.”

I really enjoy your efforts to portray Christians as a persecuted group in our country and the NFL.

Could you bring this schtick over to the FFA?

 

[ducktales]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

 

[Christo]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

 

[ducktales]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

 

[WilsonTheVolleyball]

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

...not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

This is a good post that I think indirectly brings up a point about Tebow for consideration, and that's the ego of the coaches. Fact is, in order to be a coach in this league, you have to be thick-headed. You have to have an ego. You have to have a plan, be sure that your plan is the way to go, and be set in it. The old saying goes "coaches coach and players play." The coach draws up the gameplan and the player is suppose to go out and execute it as best he can. Thus, a coach obviously isn't going to be happy if a player cannot perform a play or gameplan drawn up to the coach's vision. My way or the highway kind of thing, even if the ends justify the means.

With Tebow, the end result is generally the same (winning football games). The problem with Tebow is that playing him essentially takes much of the power away from the coach himself. He has to scale back his offensive gameplan due to the fact that Tebow has obviously limiations. The coach is essentially handing over nearly total control of his entire offense to Tebow because of the fact that a coach cannot gameplan Tebow. Obviously some quarterbacks out there also have a large amount of control over their offense, such as Peyton Manning, but not many coaches are going to seceed that kind of control unless it's for a guy like that. Even then, they're much more comfortable doing so with those hall of fame passers because it's still comes down to X's and O's with those guys. Playing Tebow is a great unknown and coaches hate that.

 

[Christo]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

You re-wording it doesn't make it any truer.

 

[ICON211]

So why hasn't Tebow been snatched up yet? Is every organization a joke?

>...not performing well in a practice situation could be indicative of a number of different things such as the lack of skills when going against highly skilled players or an inabiility to grasp the specifics and nuances of a teams playbook. If a player isn't able to perform to some moderate level of success in practice, there is no reason they should be given the chance to perform in a real game situation regardless of the fact that an individual may have had some success in the past. No team in their right mind is going to approach a real game situation with a QB that you've basically saying - let's roll the dice and hope he comes up clutch in the 4th quarter again (all the while not performing well in the prior 3 quarters). Yes an individual could have some success initially, but it's very unlikely that can be sustained on a long term basis.

This is a good post that I think indirectly brings up a point about Tebow for consideration, and that's the ego of the coaches. Fact is, in order to be a coach in this league, you have to be thick-headed. You have to have an ego. You have to have a plan, be sure that your plan is the way to go, and be set in it. The old saying goes "coaches coach and players play." The coach draws up the gameplan and the player is suppose to go out and execute it as best he can. Thus, a coach obviously isn't going to be happy if a player cannot perform a play or gameplan drawn up to the coach's vision. My way or the highway kind of thing, even if the ends justify the means.

With Tebow, the end result is generally the same (winning football games). The problem with Tebow is that playing him essentially takes much of the power away from the coach himself. He has to scale back his offensive gameplan due to the fact that Tebow has obviously limiations. The coach is essentially handing over nearly total control of his entire offense to Tebow because of the fact that a coach cannot gameplan Tebow. Obviously some quarterbacks out there also have a large amount of control over their offense, such as Peyton Manning, but not many coaches are going to seceed that kind of control unless it's for a guy like that. Even then, they're much more comfortable doing so with those hall of fame passers because it's still comes down to X's and O's with those guys. Playing Tebow is a great unknown and coaches hate that.

Scaling back the gameplan is not letting the coach do what he thinks will be successful in the NFL. What coach wants to limit what he thinks will help the team win? I do not understand the statement about giving total control of the offense to Tebow at all. The coach or OC would still be calling the plays and every QB is given a gameplan. Its not like they would tell him just go out there and run around and do whatever he wants.

 

[ducktales]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

You re-wording it doesn't make it any truer.

Which part isn’t true? That Tebow gets discriminated against?

Jake Plummer “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I’ll like him a little better.”

Could you imagine if Kobe Bryant said “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know he loves guys, then I think I’ll like him a little better,” to Jason Collins?

He would get murdered by the media because it isn’t okay to discriminate against gays (which I agree with) but I don’t agree with the fact it’s okay to discriminate against religious folks.

Same with Tulloch if instead of mocking Tebow for praying/being religious

he mocked him for being gay --that is if he was gay-- he would then also get murdered by the mediaOr the part about the IRS discriminating against conservatives ?

“The Internal Revenue Service apologized to Tea Party groups and other conservative organizations on Friday for what it now says were overzealous audits of their applications for tax-exempt status.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/11/us/politics/irs-apologizes-to-conservative-groups-over-application-audits.html?hp&_r=0

How about the part about conservatives being religious?

“Religious individuals tend to be more conservative, placing a greater emphasis on order, obedience, and tradition.”

http://spp.sagepub.com/content/early/2012/04/24/1948550612444138

also, I know you didn't understand my point originally, so I did need to dumb it down, not to make it truer, but so you could understand it.

 

[Run It Up]

This discrimination angle is hilarious. QFT:

Hes been given an unfair shot.He has no business quarterbacking an NFL team.

Hes been given opportunities for who he is and what he represents and not his ability to play the game. Hes criticized for making off-field distractions, on-field distractions. Hes criticized for performing poorly and not improving. Hes given credit by a vocal minority for everything the team he played for did and anyone that disagrees with them is chastised.Hes not being discriminated against, his value as far as bringing in revenue has reached the equilibrium point with how obnoxious it is to have him as a teammate - and that point happens to fall below what any team wants to deal with. He doesn't bring anything to the table.

 

[ghostguy123]

I would like to see Tebow get a shot somewhere as the starter from day one, but if he doesn't I really can't see how anyone can be surprised. His performance on the field overall was pretty terrible. A lot of people are blinded by some of the late comebacks, even though some of them were blatandly HANDED to Denver (see the Chicago game, my god).

Unfortunately, there will be too many games like the playoff game vs. the Patriots. When you play a good team and go 3 and out 8 times in a row, you will be down 28-0 real quick.

He isn't "owed" anything by anyone. He actually started more games in the NFL than I ever thought he would comign out of college. The word "joke" has been thrown around a lot in this thread, and in all honestly the only thing I can really call a joke is that Tebow was drafted in the first round. To me that ranks up there with Al Davis taking a kicker in the first round, and the kicker worked out better than Tebow.

And this is coming from a Tebow fan, I LOVED watching him play for Florida and all those games in Denver. Absolutely loved it, it was must see TV.

 

[cvnpoka]

ffs damn near every players post game interview is god this and god that. just unreal massive lol at thinking the nfl dicriminated againt god lovers. yall gotta have a real twisted sense of reality.

 

[msommer]

Well, he's been given the opportunity to QB the Denver Broncos, make at least $10m+ in three years and potentially to make an impression on the New York Jets.

It's hard to feel sorry for him.

 

[Banger]

I would like to see Tebow get a shot somewhere as the starter from day one, but if he doesn't I really can't see how anyone can be surprised. His performance on the field overall was pretty terrible. A lot of people are blinded by some of the late comebacks, even though some of them were blatandly HANDED to Denver (see the Chicago game, my god). Unfortunately, there will be too many games like the playoff game vs. the Patriots. When you play a good team and go 3 and out 8 times in a row, you will be down 28-0 real quick. He isn't "owed" anything by anyone. He actually started more games in the NFL than I ever thought he would comign out of college. The word "joke" has been thrown around a lot in this thread, and in all honestly the only thing I can really call a joke is that Tebow was drafted in the first round. To me that ranks up there with Al Davis taking a kicker in the first round, and the kicker worked out better than Tebow. And this is coming from a Tebow fan, I LOVED watching him play for Florida and all those games in Denver. Absolutely loved it, it was must see TV.

Vince young was a "winner" too after his 1st dozen games. How'd that work out?

 

[Banger]

ffs damn near every players post game interview is god this and god that. just unreal massive lol at thinking the nfl dicriminated againt god lovers. yall gotta have a real twisted sense of reality.

Ya, anyone see ray Lewis last year and his speeches? Well maybe that explains why he isn't playing this year. Maybe it's because he loved god too much and the nfl had to do something about it.

 

[Witz]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

You re-wording it doesn't make it any truer.

Which part isn’t true? That Tebow gets discriminated against?

Jake Plummer “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I’ll like him a little better.”

Could you imagine if Kobe Bryant said “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know he loves guys, then I think I’ll like him a little better,” to Jason Collins?

He would get murdered by the media because it isn’t okay to discriminate against gays (which I agree with) but I don’t agree with the fact it’s okay to discriminate against religious folks.

Same with Tulloch if instead of mocking Tebow for praying/being religious

I'll play along - since you're sticking with the story that Tebow is being religiously discriminated and that's the reason no NFL team wants to have him on their roster - please share any proof of this (comments from a former player that last played almost 7 years ago and that has zero association with any existing NFL team don't count although I'd like for you to post a link to that statement from Plummer to see it in it's entirety just to make sure it's not being taken out of context -sorry if it's been linked but I don't see it).

 

[az_prof]

I would like to see Tebow get a shot somewhere as the starter from day one, but if he doesn't I really can't see how anyone can be surprised. His performance on the field overall was pretty terrible. A lot of people are blinded by some of the late comebacks, even though some of them were blatandly HANDED to Denver (see the Chicago game, my god). Unfortunately, there will be too many games like the playoff game vs. the Patriots. When you play a good team and go 3 and out 8 times in a row, you will be down 28-0 real quick. He isn't "owed" anything by anyone. He actually started more games in the NFL than I ever thought he would comign out of college. The word "joke" has been thrown around a lot in this thread, and in all honestly the only thing I can really call a joke is that Tebow was drafted in the first round. To me that ranks up there with Al Davis taking a kicker in the first round, and the kicker worked out better than Tebow. And this is coming from a Tebow fan, I LOVED watching him play for Florida and all those games in Denver. Absolutely loved it, it was must see TV.

Vince young was a "winner" too after his 1st dozen games. How'd that work out?

Vince Young was given far more opportunity to succeed. And Vince Young was a head case. Had Young possessed the leadership intangibles of Tebow he would be in the Pro Bowl, so that is a really bad comparison.

 

[Christo]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

You re-wording it doesn't make it any truer.

Which part isn’t true? That Tebow gets discriminated against?

Jake Plummer “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I’ll like him a little better.”

Could you imagine if Kobe Bryant said “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know he loves guys, then I think I’ll like him a little better,” to Jason Collins?

He would get murdered by the media because it isn’t okay to discriminate against gays (which I agree with) but I don’t agree with the fact it’s okay to discriminate against religious folks.

Same with Tulloch if instead of mocking Tebow for praying/being religious

Adding more words doesn't help your position either.

 

[ducktales]

for the people that keep saying that tebow didn't improve at all in this year and doesn't deserve another shot, you're wrong.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/29/testaverde-disappointed-tebow-didnt-get-a-chance/

“Chris and I looked at Tim careful and we were both amazed,” Testaverde said. “Everybody has been focusing on his throwing motion, trying to fix that, but nobody had picked up his footwork. His footwork was all screwed up. Chris and I looked at each other after about four or five throws, and we saw the same thing. We got his footwork fixed. His throwing motion is now a non-issue.

“He throws with what we call ‘effortless power.’ He doesn’t have that elongated motion anymore and his head isn’t moving 2 1/2 feet when he throws it.”

 

[ducktales]

Valid points

“The Jets were a mess this year and if Tim Tebow was on another team’s roster, Mark Sanchez would have been replaced after the fourth game for just about anyone with a single digit jersey and a pulse. Sanchez was tolerated only because Tebow was despised.

The only place that Tebow hasn’t succeeded is in New York, where he couldn’t get off the bench. He may have seen the field more, if, dressed in a cheerleading outfit, he starred as the caveman in a GEICO commercial.

The contempt toward all things Tebow was so over the top that it even had Alec Baldwin showing pity – ‘the only thing more imaginary than Manti Te’o's girlfriend is the Jets offensive package for Tebow.’

A once respected coach in the NFL, Ryan now seems like he’s either bucking for a career in the WWE or auditioning to play the fat clown in the next SPAWN remake. Foot fetish aside, the portly coach was seen sporting a new tattoo this off-season. The ink shows the likeness of his wife donning a Sanchez jersey while Tebowing. Wonder how long it will take Rex to ditch the ink when he’s out of a job at the end of next season?”

http://clashdaily.com/2013/02/blackballed-the-nfls-borking-of-tim-tebow/#ixzz2SvM8ucjf

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

 

[Christo]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

Fisher must not be Christian.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I think this ducktales character that no one has ever heard of, who has the majority of his posts in this thread defending Tebow, is the perfect example of what everyone's saying. The only people who think Tebow can start in the NFL are those who don't actually watch the NFL, or only want to see it for the entertainment value. You'll get others saying "he deserves a shot to start somewhere" but they'd never want it to be their favorite team.

You don't see Jacksonville fans in this thread saying they wished their team would just sign Tebow already and let him start.

No. You have some stranger appear from the depths of the internet, some Tebow crusader like this ducktales dude, who believes he's persecuted for being so openly Christian, and defends Tebow for an entire thread. And then he'll disappear from FBG. Because like most Tebow supporters, he doesn't particularly care about football, he just cares about Tim Tebow.

 

[ducktales]

No. You have some stranger appear from the depths of the internet, some Tebow crusader like this ducktales dude, who believes he's persecuted for being so openly Christian, and defends Tebow for an entire thread. And then he'll disappear from FBG. Because like most Tebow supporters, he doesn't particularly care about football, he just cares about Tim Tebow.

i love football and i've been playing fantasy football since 2002

 

[ConnSKINS26]

No. You have some stranger appear from the depths of the internet, some Tebow crusader like this ducktales dude, who believes he's persecuted for being so openly Christian, and defends Tebow for an entire thread. And then he'll disappear from FBG. Because like most Tebow supporters, he doesn't particularly care about football, he just cares about Tim Tebow.

i love football and i've been playing fantasy football since 2002

That may very well be true. I'm sure it is--you've got no reason to lie.But you didn't really feel the need to jump into the conversation here until you saw Tebow being desecrated. That screams "agenda" to me.

 

[ducktales]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

no one in the media would say "oh they can't have jason collins on their team because he brings too much media attention and locker room distraction"

why is that? because its okay to discriminate against religious people but not gay people. I said it before, I agree with not discriminating against gay people but lets be consistent and not discriminate against religious people as well.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

no one in the media would say "oh they can't have jason collins on their team because he brings too much media attention and locker room distraction" why is that? because its okay to discriminate against religious people but not gay people. I said it before, I agree with not discriminating against gay people but lets be consistent and not discriminate against religious people as well.

If Jason Collins totally sucked at his position and had a rabid, crazy fan base that followed him everywhere, yes you'd have a parallel situation.Tebow is a locker room distraction and gets that media attention because he has a gigantic fanbase. He has this fanbase because of his faith, yes. But its not the same thing. His faith doesn't bring the distractions, his fanbase does.Plus, he sucks.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

Fisher must not be Christian.

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

Fisher must not be Christian.

He might very well be--but you probably have a point in the fact that religion plays a big role in adding to the media circus that has made Tebow getting a job in the NFL difficult. It's not that Tebow is religious--it's that Tebow openly exposes and almost advertises how religious he is. However, I do get the vibe that his strong belief in his religion is genuine-- and I don't believe that it's in my place to knock somebody for that. He seems like a good kid, he was a great winner in the college game, has had decent success in the NFL game, has fairly marketable looks and personality, and frankly--religion sells and appeals to people. This backs up your point--the religous aspect does play a bit of a role in this.

 

[jvdesigns2002]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

no one in the media would say "oh they can't have jason collins on their team because he brings too much media attention and locker room distraction"

why is that? because its okay to discriminate against religious people but not gay people. I said it before, I agree with not discriminating against gay people but lets be consistent and not discriminate against religious people as well.

I voted that Tebow is not getting a fair shot--and I never said that its okay to discriminate against anybody--so what consistency are you talking about? If you are going to reply to a post about something that I said--why don't you stick to what I said? You have to look at reality in life. Every decision that we make involves risk assessment--whether it's in the business world, the personal world, or any other world. In the world of professional sports and player management-- it is naive to think that every aspect of a player is not assessed before making a decision on whether to sign them onto your team. If you think that NBA teams that might be in the market fo sign Jason collins do not consider the media circus/potential distractions that he might bring to the team--you are sadly mistaken. I have nothing against homosexuals, nor religious people-- all I'm saying is that when hiring personnel in professional sports---everything is taking into consideration. That's all.

 

[Witz]

There is no league wide black balling of tebow because of his religion.

How does the team go from complete trash to winning a playoff game with an inferior QB? Is it because he isn’t inferior to Orton(who is on a team this year), and lots of other QBs that are on rosters? Could that be it? Yeah, I think it is.

Why would teams leave a young QB with room to grow on the free agency list? Is it because there is some other reason besides football? You bet there is, its discrimination against religious people.

this kind of discrimination that is going on with tebow makes me think of this

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/05/11/irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-in-2011/2152585/

I didn't think id have to explain the point of mentioning the IRS thing, but I don't discriminate against special needs, so here we go.

People here find it hard to believe anything not black or gay gets discriminated against, and usually conservatives go hand in hand with religion. See how what the IRS did to conservatives correlates with what im saying regarding Tebow? You get it yet little guy?

You re-wording it doesn't make it any truer.

Which part isn’t true? That Tebow gets discriminated against?

Jake Plummer “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ, then I think I’ll like him a little better.”

Could you imagine if Kobe Bryant said “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know he loves guys, then I think I’ll like him a little better,” to Jason Collins?

He would get murdered by the media because it isn’t okay to discriminate against gays (which I agree with) but I don’t agree with the fact it’s okay to discriminate against religious folks.

Same with Tulloch if instead of mocking Tebow for praying/being religious

Bump for my good friend ducktales.

 

[Witz]

for the people that keep saying that tebow didn't improve at all in this year and doesn't deserve another shot, you're wrong.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/29/testaverde-disappointed-tebow-didnt-get-a-chance/

“Chris and I looked at Tim careful and we were both amazed,” Testaverde said. “Everybody has been focusing on his throwing motion, trying to fix that, but nobody had picked up his footwork. His footwork was all screwed up. Chris and I looked at each other after about four or five throws, and we saw the same thing. We got his footwork fixed. His throwing motion is now a non-issue.

“He throws with what we call ‘effortless power.’ He doesn’t have that elongated motion anymore and his head isn’t moving 2 1/2 feet when he throws it.”

You do realize that Tebow hired Testevarde to work with him on his mechanics and that's where these comments are coming from right?

 

[Witz]

Valid points

“The Jets were a mess this year and if Tim Tebow was on another team’s roster, Mark Sanchez would have been replaced after the fourth game for just about anyone with a single digit jersey and a pulse. Sanchez was tolerated only because Tebow was despised.

The only place that Tebow hasn’t succeeded is in New York, where he couldn’t get off the bench. He may have seen the field more, if, dressed in a cheerleading outfit, he starred as the caveman in a GEICO commercial.

The contempt toward all things Tebow was so over the top that it even had Alec Baldwin showing pity – ‘the only thing more imaginary than Manti Te’o's girlfriend is the Jets offensive package for Tebow.’

A once respected coach in the NFL, Ryan now seems like he’s either bucking for a career in the WWE or auditioning to play the fat clown in the next SPAWN remake. Foot fetish aside, the portly coach was seen sporting a new tattoo this off-season. The ink shows the likeness of his wife donning a Sanchez jersey while Tebowing. Wonder how long it will take Rex to ditch the ink when he’s out of a job at the end of next season?”

http://clashdaily.com/2013/02/blackballed-the-nfls-borking-of-tim-tebow/#ixzz2SvM8ucjf

You do realize the following right:

- Tebow was traded for to be the backup - not the starter and not someone to be in competition for the starting role

- Sanchez had three prior seasons of reasonable success leading into last year and had also been given a sizeable contract extenion two weeks prior to the Tebow trade. The team was not going to go to their backup option even with Sanchez struggling earlier in the season. To even remotely think that something like that would occur is naive at best.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Tebow will rise again.

 

[ducktales]

I'm not a Tebow supporter by any means. Let me get that out of the way before I give my opinion. I think he is a way below average quarterback and I don't think he is starter material. However, I do feel like he isn't getting a fair shot in the sense that he has become a victim of the media circus surrounding him. I do think that in a vacuum his track record alone ( a great college career, did find a way to lead a team into the playoffs in the NFL, nice intangibles, pretty solid off of the field reputation, and even some box office) should make him be considered for at least backup duties as a qb--but the problem is media circus that comes with him. Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best. It's simple risk versus reward. The thing is--I don't think it is the NFL execs that aren't giving him a fair shot. His not getting a fair shot is a product of the media as well as his own marketability. When I look at Tebow--I get reminded of Derek Fisher but with the baggage of major media coverage. Fisher is a one trick pony--he basically is a solid jump shooter. He's a point guard that doesn't get you many assists, he's too slow to guard most of the younger/more explosive guards in the league, doesn't have amazing handles, but is a great leader, is clutch, and makes plays when he has to, and has a pretty solid off of the court reputation. To this day--Fisher has no problem finding a job--he is with the Oklahoma City Thunder playing backup pg. However, I would almost bet that if Fisher had the same media circus around him that Tebow has---his employment opportunities wouldn't be nearly as vast.

no one in the media would say "oh they can't have jason collins on their team because he brings too much media attention and locker room distraction"

why is that? because its okay to discriminate against religious people but not gay people. I said it before, I agree with not discriminating against gay people but lets be consistent and not discriminate against religious people as well.

I voted that Tebow is not getting a fair shot--and I never said that its okay to discriminate against anybody--so what consistency are you talking about?

I am addressing your point of "Most teams don't want to take on a potentially large distraction for a player who could end up being a decent backup qb at best"

pointing out the inconsistency behind it all. how its okay for collins to be a distraction --when at this point in his career he has far less to offer than tebow-- because its over him being gay but it isnt okay for tebow to be a distraction because its over him being religious, and the media and people in general --wasn't saying you-- needs to be consistent and not discriminate anyone.