Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (1 Viewer)

[Rookie_Whisperer]

This is what I don't get: "Face it, he was an experiment at the QB position that didn't work out."

Really? I can see saying "he hasn't proven yet that he is a good NFL QB." Or, "he did play well enough at the QB position to lead a team that was 1-4 when he took over the playoffs, but there were other factors that may have helped him and we don't know if he can do it again consistently."

In other words, I can accept scepticism. But to assert that it is a fact that he "didn't work out" seems on the surface a factual error. Compare how much opportunity he has been given and what he has done with it to Jamarcus Russell? Russell proved he couldn't be a good NFL QB. There is no question. He had three years of starting to prove it. Tebow hasn't even had one full season of starting to prove it nor has he had one off season where he is the "guy" getting all the first team reps.

Did you watch the NE game when they got behind by 14 pts early on? Then 21? etc..... You'd better believe the other 30 teams in the NFL watched that drubbing. The Broncos and Tebow did not have an answer on how to come back in a game like that or even make a respectable showing. I believe that was the last time we saw him play a meaningful snap. The majority of wins Tebow had were when the defense played their butts off and kept the game close. Heck, Trent Dilfer won a Superbowl back in 2000 (?) by being a game manager but was holding a clip board the next season. In his case, the defense rightfully got the credit and I think people underestimate that Bronco Defense during that streak. Tebow is, at best, a game manager who requires a very specific system and very conservative play calling coupled with a dominating defense.

And I don't honestly see why you can't get over the fact that it didn't work out for him? It happens to a lot of QBs. Every team in the NFL seems to think he didn't work out as a QB, what is your hangup?

"I can see saying "he hasn't proven yet that he is a good NFL QB." Really, I don't know why I need to parse words here. Are you related to him or something? There are a lot of QBs out there that haven't proven that they are good NFL QBs either. Tebow got a look and no NFL teams liked what they saw. What he showed is that he has major mechanical flaws and is not capable of throwing the ball on par with the rest of the league.

So, you base a first year starting QB's future on one playoff game against the NE Patriots? The Patriots have destroyed a lot of QBs in their time. I did see that game. I also saw Tebow defeat the vaunted Steeler's defense. He was inconsistent. Most young QBs are.

No, I'm basing it on the tape, how he practiced, and his potential for improvement. It's pretty widely known that Tebow "wants it", worked a lot on his delivery, and wasn't showing any improvement, especially under duress. When the bullets started flying and he started getting hit, he became that same guy with that terrible throwing motion and everyone saw it. You are who you are under duress and there is very little coaching and practice can do to change that at this point.

 

[pittstownkiller]

Bri, on 01 Jun 2013 - 01:45, said:

Rookie_Whisperer, on 31 May 2013 - 23:42, said:

BruceAlmighty, on 16 May 2013 - 12:06, said:What is happening here is zealots are projecting their religious fervor onto a football player. These people are completely irrational. You cannot debate a person who believes that a man was eaten by a whale and defecated out after three days relatively unharmed. They will defend their delusions till death, and often have. Nietzsche once said "a casual stroll through the lunatic asylum will teach you all you need to know about faith". These people believe their dog talks to them. These people hijack airliners in the name of God. These people denounce science yet they have doctors deliver their babies and they frequent Internet chat rooms created through scientific endeavors. Why do religious people go to doctors to be cured of their ailments? Why not just pray? God probably views chemotherapy as a slap in His face. He obviously wanted you to have cancer. It is no accident that believers are compared to sheep in the Bible. They are dumb herd animals who spend their life being fleeced.Now these people have a football player to project their delusions onto. "All he does is win". Except when he doesn't. "He deserves a chance to show his worth in an offense catered to his skills". So an NFL organization should overhaul its identity to SEE if he's good?I agree with bagel's post. He's not as bad as some think he is and vice versa. The disconnect is that people in his corner literally believe that he is God's Gift to Football, and they will go to their grave believing that. And that is the main reason why he will not get an offer from an NFL team.

I agree 100% here. People who know nothing about football have been so blinded by their conviction (that he had some destiny to be fulfilled in the NFL and is not being given the chance to be on the grand stage to proselytize to football fans) that they can't see that he is a terrible passer. Period. Good guy or not, he can not throw the ball. Last time I checked, throwing the ball is a condition of employment for QBs. Frankly the whole religious showboating bugged me when Dion did it, when Ray Lewis did it, and it bugged me when Tebow did it. The difference is Ray and Dion could play their positions at a high level. And correct me if I'm wrong but everyone knew what Ray and Dion were like and they never had a problem keeping a job or being on camera representing their teams. Those of us who don't believe in talking snakes just rolled our eyes when they spoke and enjoyed them on the field. But, hiding behind the skirt of some make believe christian discrimination conspiracy in the US is just a ridiculous position that has no basis in reality when 80+% of Americans identify themselves as Christian. Whoever believes that should probably step away from the 24 hr conspiracy/news channels for a while.

It's ironic that you call christianity extreme then make an extreme statement like he can not throw the ball.They aren't doing it for you. You might pick the channel on the TV or pay for the seats at the game, but that gesture is as much for you as the tampon commercials are.He is(or was) an extremely fortunate person with special talent and athleticism able to play at a level that more than 99% of the people in the world can't play at. It's a blessing or a gift to them similar to you winning the lottery. Who knows how you'd act if you won the lottery or got to lead an NFL team into the playoffs. Surely there would be some celebration. I don't have any problem with him thanking God nor do I when he thanks his coach and teammates for the opportunity. I appreciate the humility in thanking others for the opportunity.Would you thank the lottery commission or the clerk that sold you a lottery ticket or the store owner? It's the gesture that's meaningful to some-the humility of it while on a grand stage like an NFL end zone on national TV. At no point, did Ray Lewis or Tebow stop running toward the endzone and ask if "Rookie Whisperer" believed in God and would support them, nor did they stop running and say you should. Maybe NFL fans want something other than TO using a sharpie, Sharpe fictitiously calling the president, or Ocho's antics. Do you recall Sweetness thanked Jesus or Mark Bavaro made the sign of the cross after he scored? Those two were oh so popular and appreciated for their hard work on the field. BTW when you made your inflammatory statement of talking snakes did you understand the board rules here? They're pretty open about discussing religion here (in the FFA) but antagonizing people of a certain religion that's probably not your best move here.

I apologize if I offended anyone here, but to correct the record a) I did not call christianity extreme b) I never said Tebow did anything specifically for me c) I never disparaged anyone playing in the NFL because I am all too aware of the odds of making it to that position d) I never mentioned endzone celebrations e) I never wanted Ray Lewis or Tebow to check with me on anything, especially my personal belief system. I'm not sure why you are imagining I said these things, but ok....His ability has always been what I questioned and that he should have never been drafted in the 1st rd of the NFL draft. His talent did not warrant that draft position and everyone seemed to know that other than Josh McDaniels, the media and some draftniks who continuously hyped the kid. Face it, he was an experiment at the QB position that didn't work out. He should have been drafted in the 3rd or 4th and then allowed to overhall that throwing motion of his that takes waaaaay too long and nearly scrapes his thigh before he finds a way to get rid of it. If he had the opportunity to sit and watch, retool his motion, learn to read defenses, etc. who knows? But don't forget, his hometown team, the Jacksonville Jaguars could have acquired him last year for a song and chose to pass. They could have gotten him for a 3rd rd pick last year if they chose to outbid the Jets. They didn't. And with that 3rd round pick they drafted a PUNTER. That is truly sad when your hometown team opts to take a punter over a guy who they know will put fans in seats and sell jerseys. I see that you like him for reasons other than his ability to play the position and dislike other players who choose to celebrate with pens and phones. That is your thing but I did not call your belief "extreme" as it is inline with the majority of people in the US, but you are kidding yourself if you think he can throw the ball with anyone at the NFL level. What do you know that 32 GMs and 32 head coaches and 32 QB coaches don't know? Surely someone in the NFL would go to bat for the guy if they thought he could sit the bench for a while on a team and not be a distraction. Did you watch him throw the ball in that NY wind? Did you see those wobbly passes of his catch the wind and take off? How about Denver? Did you see some of that? There were times that ball of his would nearly helicopter when he tried to wing it downfield. He was lucky to keep it in play on sideline passes downfield.Again my apologies to those who were/are offended. Face it Bri, you are in the 80%. Why are you so uptight about it? If you find things in your belief system faith inflammatory insulted when they are brought up, that isn't my problem, that's yours. it is because I am rude.

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[Bri]

Rookie_Whisperer, on 01 Jun 2013 - 07:43, said: but you are kidding yourself if you think he can throw the ball with anyone at the NFL level. What do you know that 32 GMs and 32 head coaches and 32 QB coaches don't know? Surely someone in the NFL would go to bat for the guy if they thought he could sit the bench for a while on a team and not be a distraction. Did you watch him throw the ball in that NY wind? Did you see those wobbly passes of his catch the wind and take off? How about Denver? Did you see some of that? There were times that ball of his would nearly helicopter when he tried to wing it downfield. He was lucky to keep it in play on sideline passes downfield.

I think this snip characterizes how many people feel about him as a player-they feel it's luck while others believe luck would have been one season, but the guy has either dominated or been super impressive(w-L) since high school (peewee league for all I know).No doubt we are taught to throw the ball this way and produce a nice tight spiral that lands oh so nicely in the receivers hands. Seven year olds are probably taught that "ducks" simply won't work; they'll be intercepted or incomplete.Along these lines, when tebow makes an ugly throw it is not supposed to be successful.It has been successful sooooo many times and quite frankly the public debates this useless point way too much.Chris Simms had a nice pedigree, a good personality and mindset, threw a nice spiral just like his dad, but he stunk. His career was over because he wasn't successful at all. We have this mental checklist (whereas scouts might have an actual one) that is oh so lengthy with QBs. Simms met like every quality except the one that mattered-success.Tebow has had success and his intangibles (on some checklist or chart) are off the charts impressive. His athleticism is excellent, short of the arm. For me, it's back to grade school like talk and if "my grandma" led a college team to the national championship and an NFL team to the playoffs in a wheelchair, then I want her back behind center in that wheelchair. All the times he's won, luck can't happen that many times.ETA-I used to watch NFLE and wait for guys that did well there to get a chance in the NFL. Ruvell Martin was one of my faves and a guy I had the pleasure of corresponding with. He was awesome in NFLE then returned to the Chargers and rarely got an opportunity in games or in practice. Somehow people have this idea that all players get equal opportunities in training camp. That is never the case and fifth and sixth wide receivers are fortunate to get a series with the first team one day in camp. Ruvell didn't get noticed and wound up being cut. A year later and the Pack saw a little in practice and kept him on James Lofton's recommendation. He was not expected to play.They had a slew of injuries and the impossible happened and Martin was finally in the game. He did have one or two impressive NFL games, otherwise he'd stick around a few years with his best games being like 3 catches for 40 yards. There was a QB (Ragone) that was insanely accurate in NFLE. 80? 85? percent for a season is ridiculous. He was a Texans backup. I can't recall if it was Schaub or Carr but the starter was newish and got all the love in practice, like even moreso than most first string QBs get so that he'd be more comfy in the offense. Ragone never did squat and went into a few preseason games to handoff and...we never really saw him.I remember this HS stud of all stud RBs that the Colts had signed. I forget the last name but it was so unique I should. He enters camp as like 5th or 6th string RB and there's pics of him running with the first stringers and articles detailing it.I remember the Cowboys having three nobodies at QB and one was a former pitcher. They all shared time in practice and (the common opinion was) because no one got the lion's share, they didn't perform well. In time it would be because they all stunk but....Tebow is "not supposed to be" fighting for a chance to practice and play. Once accomplished at the NFL level(playoffs are something) there's supposed to be this sort of guarantee that the player will get practice time. From what I gather, he's treated like some scrub. That doesn't seem reasonable or like it follows any pattern of previous NFL logic to practice time.Major Harris was a QB I loved. There were guys like Tommy Frazier and Charlie Ward who irked some because they were deemed not NFL QBs and either not given a chance or they flat out didn't want to suddenly go from star to scrub. Major though I thought was an NFL QB. If he played ten years later, he'd have been a top pick and probably played in the NFL instead of the CFL. I was frustrated to not see or read about him every Sunday. This Tebow stuff leaves a bad taste in my mouth like Frazier, Ward, and Harris did. I believe our culture dictates that we are entitled to see our very best college stars fail in the NFL. I don't like any entitlement issue, naturally, but I think many fans believe this.As I think I mentioned earlier, Tebow's drive to the playoffs was curiously similar to Vince Young's rookie year. Young exploded and imploded in the years to come. I want to see Tebow fail. I do not want a trend of these running QBs only being allowed to play in the NFL for a year or two. That's not much progress from Tommy Frazier's days. I realize Vick has a cannon and Randall threw arguably the prettiest bomb and they're not identical here. I love desire, grit, determination, and fire in an NFL QB, more than anything. I sure was the fool here hoping Armanti Edwards would be given a chance to play QB for the Panthers, even moreso when their ND QB was stinking it up. I was bored with the Panthers then. It was ugly disorganized football and soon enough they blew things up there with staff changes. I understood during that ugly season was the only chance (no matter how miniscule) that I might get to see one of the most prolific college QBs play in the NFL. He didn't play "in the bigs" in college and the NFL was a considerable jump, but after dominating and beating Michigan...to me he answered all the criticism so convincingly. It didn't happen really but for a few gimmick plays. I am so certain it would have been more entertaining than the ND guy throwing 12 INTs a game, but so be it.I am afraid and starting to accept that Tebow will be like those I mentioned. I don't think it's right or agree with it though.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

 

[ducktales]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

everyone that is good at their job could really be bad at their job and they are just "lucky" for their whole life under your point, but i think you're the only one dumb enough to think like that

 

[FFCrazy]

He was given a shot....

He sucked, and now he's out of the league.

If he was good....he would still be in the league.

Not really hard to understand.

He did tie the record for the longest sack....so he's got that going for him.

How many other QBs take over a 1-4 team and lead it to a playoff win and then "suck" so badly they never get to start again? Right. None.

Don't know...don't care. The discussion is about Tebow.



After losing 4 of his last 5 games in Denver....a couple of them showcasing spectacular amounts of failure, he went to the Jets.



Where....by all accounts he was horrible in practice, and he certainly didn't show any "magic" on the field when he got into the game.



He had his chances….he didn't capitalize on them….



Therefore...he's out of a job.



Still not hard to understand.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

everyone that is good at their job could really be bad at their job and they are just "lucky" for their whole life under your point, but i think you're the only one dumb enough to think like that

I know plenty of people who are bad at their jobs, but the companies they work for are doing well. Analogy???? Tebow sucked but his team won anyway.

Again, I say this as a FAN of Tebow. Love the guy, and love watching him play.

 

[vincentjmack]

Kinda funny that if it weren't for long never ending passionate illogical debates fans have about him , like this one, he would still be in the league.

 

[ghostguy123]

Kinda funny that if it weren't for long never ending passionate illogical debates fans have about him , like this one, he would still be in the league.

Yep, likely true. Amazing that being SUCH a good guy is severely detrimental to his career.

Some guys have baggage like arrests, suspensions, character issues, slappin their mamas, being psychotic...................Tebow's baggage is religion, celebacy till marriage, and being too nice.

Then again................part of that is probably what got him some starts in the first place. Who knows about the conundrum that is Tebow.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Rotoworld:

According to ESPN The Magazine, members of free agent Tim Tebow's camp "privately admit" Tebow's NFL career is likely over.
Just 18 months removed from a stunning playoff win over the Steelers, Tebow has been written off by NFL teams in large part due to his unwillingness to change positions. "He's not a quarterback," said one NFC scout. "When you look at his run two years ago, when you watch the tape and break it down, he wasn't really doing anything that impressive. He's a tough guy, a great leader, a great person. But he isn't a good enough quarterback to have all the distractions that come with him." And that just about sums it up.


Source: ESPN.com

These guys don't get it

What specifically do you disagree with?

 

[ummich10]

I'm an atheist, I watched every second of the video, and I'm not angry about anything. It's a nice story, not sure what it has to do with whether Tebow got a fair shot or not.I'm not finished reading the whole thread, but I'm still struggling to find some definitive evidence that the NFL is not giving him a fair shot. IMO, what the NBA does with Jason Collins is irrelevant, it's a different league with a different group of owners. Chris Kluwe is out of a job right now, he might be a better comparison to analyze.

 

[ummich10]

I agree, some people can look down on others in order to see themselves in a more positive way. But it's still to be definitively shown that 32 NFL teams and the players that make up Ducktale's group of hypocritical Christians are doing this.

 

[Tool]

Actually Kluwe signed with Oakland - albeit at a much lower salary than what he was making in Minnesota.

 

[ummich10]

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Kinda funny that if it weren't for long never ending passionate illogical debates fans have about him , like this one, he would still be in the league.

Yep, likely true. Amazing that being SUCH a good guy is severely detrimental to his career. Some guys have baggage like arrests, suspensions, character issues, slappin their mamas, being psychotic...................Tebow's baggage is religion, celebacy till marriage, and being too nice. Then again................part of that is probably what got him some starts in the first place. Who knows about the conundrum that is Tebow.

I hate to keep posting on this but this is where I totally disagree. That fact that he was perceived as a "SUCH good guy" was the main reason why he was drafted so high in the first place. He was going to be the guy who would be a role model, face of the franchise, stay all day, very coachable, etc. Rookie head coach (and flop) Josh McDaniels thought that he could take a good guy and good athlete and groom him into a good NFL QB since he had some recent success in NE with the likes of Matt Cassel. Don't forget, when McD took over, the Broncos started purging highly talented problem players (B Marsh, Cutler, Hillis to some extent) for "good guys" presumably to win back some fan support or bought into his specific team concept or something... Anyway, the real thing that is/was detrimental to his career is the way he throws the football, the way it travels from one point to the next, the speed with which it arrives, the reliability of it being at the right place at the right time and whether his WRs/TEs/RBs trust that the ball will be there and catchable when they are expecting it. The jury is still out on whether he can read defenses or call an audible that isn't a run play for himself.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

If you think McDaniels was angling for fan support by ditching players like Cutler, Marshall, etc. I think you're interpreting it wrong. Those were his first huge missteps with that fan base, not a means to "win back" some fan support by tearing apart Shanahan's successful, young offense.

I agree with the rest of your post, though,

 

[mjr]

For all of the talk about Tebow bringing Denver into the playoffs, there's no admission whatsoever that those wins lacked precise execution. They were not decisive wins where Tebow methodically picked apart defenses for the victory. They were nail biters sprinkled with confusion and hail marys more often than not, and therein is the problem.

The biggest knock on Tebow was his slow processing. He drove Sparano nuts in summer drills because he held on to the ball for what seemed like an eternity. Tebow needed to be screamed at by staff to get rid of the ball. His problem is that he simply cannot adjust to the speed of the game at the NFL level. When he tries he begins to make a lot more mental mistakes, his accuracy suffers and so on. He's capable of making some nice plays, but he needs a lot of time or for a play to unfold as planned for it to happen. That happens much less in the NFL.

If you ask me, Tebow was given too much of a shot. This is a guy who needed to come in and hold a clipboard on gamedays for 3 years while learning. But instead, he was given the starting gig in Denver and was not told he would have to sit and learn while in NY. It doesn't matter if he ever had a realistic competition for the starting job with the Jets. He should have never been considered for that possibility to begin with, either in Denver or NY.

Tebow played himself right out of the league BECAUSE he was given a shot too early, not because he wasn't given a shot. He just wasn't ready. Tebow doesn't want to admit it. His supporters don't want to admit it. But the rest of the league knows.

Maybe that's why Tebow is still out of a job. Maybe that's why teams are avoiding him. If he doesn't believe he's got a lot to learn, that he deserves a "fair shot" at starting now, then how can you possibly develop a guy like that?

 

[ghostguy123]

Kinda funny that if it weren't for long never ending passionate illogical debates fans have about him , like this one, he would still be in the league.

Yep, likely true. Amazing that being SUCH a good guy is severely detrimental to his career. Some guys have baggage like arrests, suspensions, character issues, slappin their mamas, being psychotic...................Tebow's baggage is religion, celebacy till marriage, and being too nice. Then again................part of that is probably what got him some starts in the first place. Who knows about the conundrum that is Tebow.

I hate to keep posting on this but this is where I totally disagree. That fact that he was perceived as a "SUCH good guy" was the main reason why he was drafted so high in the first place. He was going to be the guy who would be a role model, face of the franchise, stay all day, very coachable, etc. Rookie head coach (and flop) Josh McDaniels thought that he could take a good guy and good athlete and groom him into a good NFL QB since he had some recent success in NE with the likes of Matt Cassel. Don't forget, when McD took over, the Broncos started purging highly talented problem players (B Marsh, Cutler, Hillis to some extent) for "good guys" presumably to win back some fan support or bought into his specific team concept or something... Anyway, the real thing that is/was detrimental to his career is the way he throws the football, the way it travels from one point to the next, the speed with which it arrives, the reliability of it being at the right place at the right time and whether his WRs/TEs/RBs trust that the ball will be there and catchable when they are expecting it. The jury is still out on whether he can read defenses or call an audible that isn't a run play for himself.

Apparently you didntr read my entire post, check the last line again. I SAID that is what got him picked in the 1st and got him some starts in the first place.

However, as of right NOW, he WOULD have a job as a backup somewhere if he didn't bring along the circus with him. He isn't good enough to make it worth it to teams for the attention and headaches it will bring everyone else.

His football skills are definitely good enough to be a worthwhile NFL player, but not good enough to warrant what he brings with him (through no fault of his own really)

 

[Touchdown There]

Tim Tebow will be a fantastic broadcaster.

 

[ducktales]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

everyone that is good at their job could really be bad at their job and they are just "lucky" for their whole life under your point, but i think you're the only one dumb enough to think like that

I know plenty of people who are bad at their jobs, but the companies they work for are doing well. Analogy???? Tebow sucked but his team won anyway.

Again, I say this as a FAN of Tebow. Love the guy, and love watching him play.

i love people that have to lie to make their opinion seem more correct.

"oh i am so and so biggest supporter so when i knock him you know im right" lmfao gtfo with that fallacy

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Tim Tebow will be a fantastic broadcaster.

What makes you think that?

 

[Bri]

Kinda funny that if it weren't for long never ending passionate illogical debates fans have about him , like this one, he would still be in the league.

Yep, likely true. Amazing that being SUCH a good guy is severely detrimental to his career. Some guys have baggage like arrests, suspensions, character issues, slappin their mamas, being psychotic...................Tebow's baggage is religion, celebacy till marriage, and being too nice. Then again................part of that is probably what got him some starts in the first place. Who knows about the conundrum that is Tebow.

I hate to keep posting on this but this is where I totally disagree. That fact that he was perceived as a "SUCH good guy" was the main reason why he was drafted so high in the first place. He was going to be the guy who would be a role model, face of the franchise, stay all day, very coachable, etc. Rookie head coach (and flop) Josh McDaniels thought that he could take a good guy and good athlete and groom him into a good NFL QB since he had some recent success in NE with the likes of Matt Cassel. Don't forget, when McD took over, the Broncos started purging highly talented problem players (B Marsh, Cutler, Hillis to some extent) for "good guys" presumably to win back some fan support or bought into his specific team concept or something... Anyway, the real thing that is/was detrimental to his career is the way he throws the football, the way it travels from one point to the next, the speed with which it arrives, the reliability of it being at the right place at the right time and whether his WRs/TEs/RBs trust that the ball will be there and catchable when they are expecting it. The jury is still out on whether he can read defenses or call an audible that isn't a run play for himself.

Apparently you didntr read my entire post, check the last line again. I SAID that is what got him picked in the 1st and got him some starts in the first place.

However, as of right NOW, he WOULD have a job as a backup somewhere if he didn't bring along the circus with him. He isn't good enough to make it worth it to teams for the attention and headaches it will bring everyone else.

His football skills are definitely good enough to be a worthwhile NFL player, but not good enough to warrant what he brings with him (through no fault of his own really)

speaking in that regard, his circus brings $.

 

[ghostguy123]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

everyone that is good at their job could really be bad at their job and they are just "lucky" for their whole life under your point, but i think you're the only one dumb enough to think like that

I know plenty of people who are bad at their jobs, but the companies they work for are doing well. Analogy???? Tebow sucked but his team won anyway.

Again, I say this as a FAN of Tebow. Love the guy, and love watching him play.

i love people that have to lie to make their opinion seem more correct.

"oh i am so and so biggest supporter so when i knock him you know im right" lmfao gtfo with that fallacy

huh?? Are you telling me you are ONLY fans of players that are great players?? Sorry, but I am not a bandwagon rider.

I am also a Browns fan, HUGE Browns fan, but I know they suck. I guess I am lying there, too.

The point is, a lot of people go overboard on the Tebow hate because they either don't care about him or actively dislike all the attention he gets. I am simply saying I am actually a FAN and like watching him play, not because he is GOOD, but because I just like watching him play. However, fan or no fan, I realize what I am watching in NOT the stuff that NFL QBs are made of.

So, basically your response to what I wrote is pretty damn stupid. Nice work.

 

[ducktales]

Yes, it can. That's kinda the nature of luck. If it was logical, predictable, or had a time limit, it wouldn't be luck

everyone that is good at their job could really be bad at their job and they are just "lucky" for their whole life under your point, but i think you're the only one dumb enough to think like that

I know plenty of people who are bad at their jobs, but the companies they work for are doing well. Analogy???? Tebow sucked but his team won anyway.

Again, I say this as a FAN of Tebow. Love the guy, and love watching him play.

i love people that have to lie to make their opinion seem more correct.

"oh i am so and so biggest supporter so when i knock him you know im right" lmfao gtfo with that fallacy

huh?? Are you telling me you are ONLY fans of players that are great players?? Sorry, but I am not a bandwagon rider.

I am also a Browns fan, HUGE Browns fan, but I know they suck. I guess I am lying there, too.

The point is, a lot of people go overboard on the Tebow hate because they either don't care about him or actively dislike all the attention he gets. I am simply saying I am actually a FAN and like watching him play, not because he is GOOD, but because I just like watching him play. However, fan or no fan, I realize what I am watching in NOT the stuff that NFL QBs are made of.

So, basically your response to what I wrote is pretty damn stupid. Nice work.

 

[ghostguy123]

Thats about the response I anticipated.

 

[GregR]

I've believed for awhile that a big part of the issues Tebow faces are his struggles with the mental aspects of the game. I think it's perhaps even a bigger issue for him than are the far more discussed issues with throwing accuracy. The ESPN magazine article does a good job of articulating similar to what I've heard of his situation:

More troubling for potential employers is that Tebow struggled badly with the mental side of the game, according to a league source. At age 7, he was diagnosed with dyslexia, a learning disability that affects how he reads and processes information, such as a playbook or game plan. Tebow won a Heisman Trophy and two BCS titles and graduated from Florida with a 3.7 GPA. But he scored a below-average (for QBs) 22 on his Wonderlic test. As a kinesthetic learner, Tebow absorbs information better through using flash cards and hands-on repetitive experience than the traditional method of memorizing diagrams, notes and Polaroids from a playbook. That doesn't mean Tebow isn't smart or that he couldn't develop into a brilliant, quick-thinking quarterback. It just hasn't happened yet.

When the Broncos defense was on the field, offensive coaches would often tell Tebow the first series of plays they wanted to run when the team got the ball back. Tebow would nod, and they'd separate. And then, invariably, a short while later he'd ask for the information again. Sometimes this ritual would repeat right up until Tebow had to duck into the huddle and call the play. As a result, despite starting only 11 games in 2011, Tebow was flagged for delay of game an NFL-high seven times. Worse still was the fact that, according to scouts, Tebow almost never audibled because he struggled to quickly and properly read defenses. And of all the deadly sins Tebow committed against quarterbacking, this was the worst: lacking the self-awareness to recognize and fix these shortcomings. Maybe the most shocking part of Tebowmania isn't that he has been cast out of the NFL after just three years but that he lasted as long as he did.

 

[Bri]

I've believed for awhile that a big part of the issues Tebow faces are his struggles with the mental aspects of the game. I think it's perhaps even a bigger issue for him than are the far more discussed issues with throwing accuracy. The ESPN magazine article does a good job of articulating similar to what I've heard of his situation:

More troubling for potential employers is that Tebow struggled badly with the mental side of the game, according to a league source. At age 7, he was diagnosed with dyslexia, a learning disability that affects how he reads and processes information, such as a playbook or game plan. Tebow won a Heisman Trophy and two BCS titles and graduated from Florida with a 3.7 GPA. But he scored a below-average (for QBs) 22 on his Wonderlic test. As a kinesthetic learner, Tebow absorbs information better through using flash cards and hands-on repetitive experience than the traditional method of memorizing diagrams, notes and Polaroids from a playbook. That doesn't mean Tebow isn't smart or that he couldn't develop into a brilliant, quick-thinking quarterback. It just hasn't happened yet.

When the Broncos defense was on the field, offensive coaches would often tell Tebow the first series of plays they wanted to run when the team got the ball back. Tebow would nod, and they'd separate. And then, invariably, a short while later he'd ask for the information again. Sometimes this ritual would repeat right up until Tebow had to duck into the huddle and call the play. As a result, despite starting only 11 games in 2011, Tebow was flagged for delay of game an NFL-high seven times. Worse still was the fact that, according to scouts, Tebow almost never audibled because he struggled to quickly and properly read defenses. And of all the deadly sins Tebow committed against quarterbacking, this was the worst: lacking the self-awareness to recognize and fix these shortcomings. Maybe the most shocking part of Tebowmania isn't that he has been cast out of the NFL after just three years but that he lasted as long as he did.

amusing like some of the other posts here.

He was still quite the leader at this time. that writer actually tries to insult him while pointing out two BCS titles, Heisman trophy, and a 3.7 gpa.

Few rookie NFL QBs have ever been the leaders Tebow or Vince Young were for that one season. Whatever it takes we're gonna win type attitudes. It was evident to oh so many that their college play carried over into their rookie year.

People here need to read up on Brett Favre's early struggles, Kurt Warner's, and especially Eli Manning. The Ravens treatment of rookie Eli Manning is so amusing. I've posted the story here as have others. I did a quick google and didn't find it. If you haven't, it would help some of you here put things in perspective. Eli was like 4 of 20 with plenty of INTs and sacks and the Ravens were taunting him so badly he fell for everything and....possibly the worst game by an NFL QB ever. Surely if you saw it you'd be wondering if statistically it was the worst. Ravens defenders were obviously laughing and pointing and Coughlin didn't sub Warner in until the fourth Q. IIRC Archie said hardest game ever to watch, naturally.

You can absolutely make a case that a QB has to have a team's support, a team "in his corner" like Eli did and that Tebow clearly doesn't. That's certainly a bottomline. A rookie being so nervous he asks for plays to be repeated, oh cmon if you can't think of a worse memory of a rookie QB. His rookie year was impressive.

The NFL is weird with QBs. The same Giants loved Dave Brown when no one did. Brady even getting a shot with NE somewhat defies typical logic.

Most NFL players are kinesthetic learners...that article was not well done.

http://www2.yk.psu.edu/learncenter/acskills/kinesthetic.html

 

[biju]

Per Ed Werder, Tebow signed with the Patroits:

https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn/status/344198177118908416

 

[PatsFanCT]

Oh for F@ sake, why? What a joke. I'm embarrassed to be a fan.

 

[Faust]

Tim Tebow to sign with New England Patriots

By Gregg Rosenthal

Around The League Editor

It's safe to say Bill Belichick doesn't hate Tim Tebow after all.

NFL.com's Ian Rapoport reported Monday the New England Patriots are signing Tebow after all. Just in time for Tuesday's mandatory minicamp.

Way back in April, the Patriots were atop our list of potential Tebow landing spots because of Belichick's appreciation of versatile players and his love of all things University of Florida. But this news still comes as a surprise because of the timing.

Yahoo! Sports reported last month that there was "no chance" the Patriots would sign him. Belichick came out publicly and lambasted the accuracy for that report last week.

So why would Belichick sign Tebow?

Because he can. It really might not get more complicated than that. Former Denver Broncos coach Josh McDaniels remains on the Patriots staff and is obviously a big believer in Tebow. There is virtually no risk to the signing because Tebow's contract is unlikely to have any guarantees. The Patriots love to kick the tires on veterans, and this is nothing more than that.

Signing Tebow doesn't mean that he's a lock to make the roster. Rapoport reported that Tebow is being brought in as a quarterback, and it's hard to imagine him passing Ryan Mallett on the depth chart. Third stringer Mike Kafka was released on Monday.

Tebow, like a lot of No. 3 quarterbacks in the league, has to prove his worthiness in limited practice snaps. Unlike most No. 3 quarterbacks in the league, he could potentially help on special teams and the occasional trick play.

Follow Gregg Rosenthal on Twitter @greggrosenthal.

 

[ducktales]

ggs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57ed4njuix8

 

[Faust]

Tim Tebow to sign with Patriots, sparks Twitter frenzy

 

[Faust]

Tim Tebow's career devolves to roster hopeful with Patriots

By Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

Tim Tebow was selected No. 25 overall in the 2010 NFL Draft as Josh McDaniels' franchise quarterback with the Denver Broncos. Two years later, the New York Jets acquired Tebow to function as a Wildcat quarterback and Mark Sanchez insurance. Now that he's signing with the New England Patriots, Tebow's career has further devolved to third stringer just hoping to latch onto a roster spot.

Don't expect head coach Bill Belichick to experiment with Tebow as a backup tight end or H-back. He's resisted the move away from quarterback in the past. NFL.com's Ian Rapoport and ESPN.com's Ed Werder both confirm that the Patriots are signing Tebow with the intention of playing quarterback.

Around the League's resident Cleveland Browns fan Marc Sessler is now holding out a sliver of hope for a Ryan Mallett trade later this summer. He's going to end up disappointed. If the Patriots viewed Tebow as the primary backup to Tom Brady, they would not have allowed him to sit unsigned for five weeks.

Tebow is a low-budget Belichick flier, not unlike other late free-agency signings such as Michael Jenkins and Lavelle Hawkins. If an NFL coach is honest, he will admit that he already knows 45-48 of the 53 roster spots by the start of training camp. Tebow will be fighting for one of those final half-dozen jobs.

In a best-case scenario, McDaniels will develop Tebow into a passable backup by the end of this season. That would then allow Belichick to entertain serious offers for Mallett next offseason as the former third-rounder enters the final year of his rookie contract.

Follow Chris Wesseling on Twitter @ChrisWesseling.

 

[az_prof]

Tim Tebow to sign with Patriots, sparks Twitter frenzy

Well, I guess those who say that he doesn't belong as a QB in the NFL can shut up for a while. It's a perfect spot for him where he can learn from the best, without pressure, and where the fan hysteria will be held in check. We may not find out whether or not he can be a good NFL QB for a few years, but at least now he is likely to be given a chance at some point.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Bill Belichick (Motto, "Keeping the 'Football' in NFL Since 1991"):

"Bwahhahhaaaaa"

 

[biju]

Tim Tebow to sign with Patriots, sparks Twitter frenzy

Well, I guess those who say that he doesn't belong as a QB in the NFL can shut up for a while. It's a perfect spot for him where he can learn from the best, without pressure, and where the fan hysteria will be held in check. We may not find out whether or not he can be a good NFL QB for a few years, but at least now he is likely to be given a chance at some point.

The rosters are at 90 right now. Let's talk again when the rosters get trimmed down to 53 and then you can get high and mighty about it...if he's still on a roster.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This is the thing.

Take a look at rosters around the NFL, look at the 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers and even 4th and 5th stringers.

Tebow is really worse than all of those guys?

The Pats have Mallett on their current roster and no one else?

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

News alert: the Pats sign 3rd string QB.

 

[lod01]

This is the thing.

Take a look at rosters around the NFL, look at the 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers and even 4th and 5th stringers.

Tebow is really worse than all of those guys?

The Pats have Mallett on their current roster and no one else?

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

News alert: the Pats sign 3rd string QB.

You kinda want to have your 2nd or 3rd string QB's be the type that can develop. Some teams have bums they hang onto, add the Pats to that list.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

This is the thing.

Take a look at rosters around the NFL, look at the 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers and even 4th and 5th stringers.

Tebow is really worse than all of those guys?

The Pats have Mallett on their current roster and no one else?

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

News alert: the Pats sign 3rd string QB.

You kinda want to have your 2nd or 3rd string QB's be the type that can develop. Some teams have bums they hang onto, add the Pats to that list.

Yeah, ok, right, and if Jeff Tuel, Patt Devlin and Matt Simms are on NFL rosters Tim Tebow sure as heck belongs on one too. The fact he ended up being signed by the premier organization in the league in terms of finding talent and recognizing how to use it, well it's an interesting by the way there.

 

[lod01]

This is the thing.

Take a look at rosters around the NFL, look at the 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers and even 4th and 5th stringers.

Tebow is really worse than all of those guys?

The Pats have Mallett on their current roster and no one else?

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

News alert: the Pats sign 3rd string QB.

You kinda want to have your 2nd or 3rd string QB's be the type that can develop. Some teams have bums they hang onto, add the Pats to that list.

Yeah, ok, right, and if Jeff Tuel, Patt Devlin and Matt Simms are on NFL rosters Tim Tebow sure as heck belongs on one too. The fact he ended up being signed by the premier organization in the league in terms of finding talent and recognizing how to use it, well it's an interesting by the way there.

So what you are saying is that guys that suck have a place in the NFL. That's ####### awesome.

 

[lod01]

I will say that if anyone is hit negatively by this, it will be Gronk. He's most likely to lose short TDs if they actually bring in The Tebow near the goaline.

 

[Faust]

Tim Tebow a lock to make New England Patriots' 53-man roster?

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Looks like McDumb@... just got his little project back.....I wonder how much whining it took on his part to make it happen.

 

[ducktales]

This is the thing.

Take a look at rosters around the NFL, look at the 2nd stringers and 3rd stringers and even 4th and 5th stringers.

Tebow is really worse than all of those guys?

The Pats have Mallett on their current roster and no one else?

http://www.patriots.com/team/roster.html

News alert: the Pats sign 3rd string QB.

You kinda want to have your 2nd or 3rd string QB's be the type that can develop. Some teams have bums they hang onto, add the Pats to that list.

Yeah, ok, right, and if Jeff Tuel, Patt Devlin and Matt Simms are on NFL rosters Tim Tebow sure as heck belongs on one too. The fact he ended up being signed by the premier organization in the league in terms of finding talent and recognizing how to use it, well it's an interesting by the way there.

So what you are saying is that guys that suck have a place in the NFL. That's ####### awesome.

still mad i see

 

[ducktales]

Looks like McDumb@... just got his little project back.....I wonder how much whining it took on his part to make it happen.

looks like elite_crier.. just found something to cry about...

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Tim Tebow a lock to make New England Patriots' 53-man roster?

Gotta love the speculation on these guys part that Belichek would actually take Brady out in the redzone or give a 3rd string QB any time in practice during the season, let alone Gronk or Hernandez just to put in a guy who has never caught the ball....man, these guys are desperate for a story line.

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

Looks like McDumb@... just got his little project back.....I wonder how much whining it took on his part to make it happen.

looks like elite_crier.. just found something to cry about...

didn't know you were saving yourself for Tebow....interesting....

 

[Faust]

With Tim Tebow, Patriots show desperation

 

[ducktales]

With Tim Tebow, Patriots show desperation

while reading that article you can hear that guys blood boiling

 

[Rookie_Whisperer]

With Tim Tebow, Patriots show desperation

while reading that article you can hear that guys blood boiling

Seems like your blood must have been boiling for some time now.....I guess you will be one of the 1st to sign the Focus on the Family petition to bench Tom Brady in favor of Tebow.....he just wins you know.....