Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (2 Viewers)

[QuizGuy66]

Article on the big rally

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/9/16/4737958/can-we-stop-with-tim-tebow-now

-QG

 

[Hoss Style]

That Tebow rally was attended by an estimated several. Media outnumbered the participants.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/16/4737812/crowds-surge-at-sign-tim-tebow-rally

Like I wrote earlier, the local interest in Tebow is greatly exaggerated by the national media. There are a few loud zealots still jousting the windmills, but it is not close to legions most outside of Jax assume.

I hesitate to say it - but I think it's always been like this to varying degrees in the NFL, even when he was winning games here in Denver. The fans that loved him REALLY loved him, and the rest of us were saying "This is fun, but we know this can't last". Most people I talked to were the latter - but we enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

After Tebow left the one's who worshipped him became REALLY vocal. The rest of us either argued back or just ignored it.

 

[cr8f]

He's getting a better shot than Warren Moon had. I still think Jacksonville should sign him to fill seats and forget about being a real football town.

He'll fill the seats.

 

[Wadsworth]

He's getting a better shot than Warren Moon had. I still think Jacksonville should sign him to fill seats and forget about being a real football town.

He'll fill the seats.

Jacksonville has not had a blackout since 2009 and finished 20th in the NFL for average home attendance last season despite being a very small market and having a 2-14 team.

 

[Wadsworth]

I like this quote from Mark Long(AP): "ESPN, CBS, SI & everyone else who wrote about the Tebow rally being a thing in Jax should apologize to readers & the Jaguars"

 

[B-Deep]

That Tebow rally was attended by an estimated several. Media outnumbered the participants.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/16/4737812/crowds-surge-at-sign-tim-tebow-rally

Like I wrote earlier, the local interest in Tebow is greatly exaggerated by the national media. There are a few loud zealots still jousting the windmills, but it is not close to legions most outside of Jax assume.

I hesitate to say it - but I think it's always been like this to varying degrees in the NFL, even when he was winning games here in Denver. The fans that loved him REALLY loved him, and the rest of us were saying "This is fun, but we know this can't last". Most people I talked to were the latter - but we enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

After Tebow left the one's who worshipped him became REALLY vocal. The rest of us either argued back or just ignored it.

i wonder how much jags fans are enjoying their current ride?

 

[Wadsworth]

That Tebow rally was attended by an estimated several. Media outnumbered the participants.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/16/4737812/crowds-surge-at-sign-tim-tebow-rally

Like I wrote earlier, the local interest in Tebow is greatly exaggerated by the national media. There are a few loud zealots still jousting the windmills, but it is not close to legions most outside of Jax assume.

I hesitate to say it - but I think it's always been like this to varying degrees in the NFL, even when he was winning games here in Denver. The fans that loved him REALLY loved him, and the rest of us were saying "This is fun, but we know this can't last". Most people I talked to were the latter - but we enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

After Tebow left the one's who worshipped him became REALLY vocal. The rest of us either argued back or just ignored it.

i wonder how much jags fans are enjoying their current ride?

It blows. But, I am guessing your were not really wondering.

 

[az_prof]

He's getting a better shot than Warren Moon had. I still think Jacksonville should sign him to fill seats and forget about being a real football town.

He'll fill the seats.

He will fill the seats and he will help them win more games they would otherwise. But that's the problem. I suspect at this point they really would be happy to lose out and collect the 1.1 draft pick.

 

[fatness]

Article on the big rally

http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2013/9/16/4737958/can-we-stop-with-tim-tebow-now

 

[Wadsworth]

He's getting a better shot than Warren Moon had. I still think Jacksonville should sign him to fill seats and forget about being a real football town.

He'll fill the seats.

He will fill the seats and he will help them win more games they would otherwise. But that's the problem. I suspect at this point they really would be happy to lose out and collect the 1.1 draft pick.

That must be it. There is no other reasonable explanation.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Media completely undeterred by only 15 people showing up for Tebow rally*.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--the-case-for-tim-tebow-as-jaguars-qb-005647929.html

-QG

* - to give a small benefit of the doubt, a workday afternoon with a days notice isn't exactly the conditions prime for getting a huge rally together, though I don't think ideal conditions would have changed things much.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

He's getting a better shot than Warren Moon had. I still think Jacksonville should sign him to fill seats and forget about being a real football town.

He'll fill the seats.

He will fill the seats and he will help them win more games they would otherwise. But that's the problem. I suspect at this point they really would be happy to lose out and collect the 1.1 draft pick.

And by more wins, you mean he leads them to maybe 2-14 instead of 0-16, right?

 

[B-Deep]

That Tebow rally was attended by an estimated several. Media outnumbered the participants.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/9/16/4737812/crowds-surge-at-sign-tim-tebow-rally

Like I wrote earlier, the local interest in Tebow is greatly exaggerated by the national media. There are a few loud zealots still jousting the windmills, but it is not close to legions most outside of Jax assume.

I hesitate to say it - but I think it's always been like this to varying degrees in the NFL, even when he was winning games here in Denver. The fans that loved him REALLY loved him, and the rest of us were saying "This is fun, but we know this can't last". Most people I talked to were the latter - but we enjoyed the ride while it lasted.

After Tebow left the one's who worshipped him became REALLY vocal. The rest of us either argued back or just ignored it.

i wonder how much jags fans are enjoying their current ride?

It blows. But, I am guessing your were not really wondering.

to be fair, i keep taking shots at the jags and don;t really mean too

i just have a massive hard...core crush... on for tebow

 

[B-Deep]

Media completely undeterred by only 15 people showing up for Tebow rally*.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--the-case-for-tim-tebow-as-jaguars-qb-005647929.html

-QG

* - to give a small benefit of the doubt, a workday afternoon with a days notice isn't exactly the conditions prime for getting a huge rally together, though I don't think ideal conditions would have changed things much.

that is 15 more people than rallied for Tebow for all other 31 football teams combined

and 15 more than have rallied for Henne and Gabbert in their lives combined

so, it is all a matter of perspective!

 

[fatness]

Tim Tebow rally flops in Jacksonville

This is what it’s come to for Tim Tebow

rally picture

 

[QuizGuy66]

That kid in the middle of the rally picture looks like he knows how to pick a winner

-QG

 

[BroadwayG]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

 

[B-Deep]

for the sake of comparison

Henne rally

http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000.1VRR9adxCo/s/860/688/The-Jacksonville-Municipal-Statium-Empty-Football-Stadium.jpg

Gabbert rally:

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/abandoned-cinema.jpg

suddenly timbo looks pretty good

 

[Wadsworth]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

 

[B-Deep]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

 

[Wadsworth]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

A one game trend..,

 

[JaxBill]

http://evenifhesreleased.com/

 

[B-Deep]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

A one game trend..,

if you count their away game they have been seen live by the fewest fans in the NFL

when i look on the ticket exchange i can get tix for their next home game for $35....so far i have not found anyone lower. I have checked the rams, chargers, and raiders

I admire their fans for sticking with them, but they have a limited fan base

 

[Wadsworth]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

A one game trend..,

if you count their away game they have been seen live by the fewest fans in the NFL

when i look on the ticket exchange i can get tix for their next home game for $35....so far i have not found anyone lower. I have checked the rams, chargers, and raiders

I admire their fans for sticking with them, but they have a limited fan base

If you count the Oak game? With the tarps Oakland only needs like 50k to sell the place out. That is some serious stat cherry picking.

The bottom line is that people joke about the Jaguars not drawing fans and have for years. Meanwhile the Jags have not had a blackout since 2009 and most years are somewhere around middle of the NFL in terms of fan attendance.

 

[B-Deep]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

A one game trend..,

if you count their away game they have been seen live by the fewest fans in the NFL

when i look on the ticket exchange i can get tix for their next home game for $35....so far i have not found anyone lower. I have checked the rams, chargers, and raiders

I admire their fans for sticking with them, but they have a limited fan base

If you count the Oak game? With the tarps Oakland only needs like 50k to sell the place out. That is some serious stat cherry picking.

The bottom line is that people joke about the Jaguars not drawing fans and have for years. Meanwhile the Jags have not had a blackout since 2009 and most years are somewhere around middle of the NFL in terms of fan attendance.

not cherry picking, i am using all the stats from this season

if you find a team with cheaper home tickets on the exchange let me know, so far it looks like from a how much will people pay standpoint the jags are bottom of the league

in every metric in this admittedly young season their attendance is abysmal

we can track it as it goes

they've had one home game and are 10% off of last year and 2nd worst in the league. We'll see if their storming out of the gates this season increases attendance as they go.

2012 they were 20th in average home attendance - near the middle

2011 25th - bottom third

2010 24th - bottom third

2009 30th

2008 - 21st - near the middle and actually around 17-20th the years prior to that

so in the last 5 years they are more like a bottom third of the league attendance team who occasionally surges to the middle of the pack

i will admit that their attendance looks worse than it is because of the tarped off sections of their stadium, but that;s part of the overall image

 

[Wadsworth]

rally picture

So about 200% of home game attendance came to a Tebow rally?

Jacksonville was 20th in home attendance last year averaging 65k per.

so far this year 59k

only 2 teams have ranked worse

Raiders and Rams

so, their first game was about 10% worse than last season's average...

not the trend they are looking for

A one game trend..,

if you count their away game they have been seen live by the fewest fans in the NFL

when i look on the ticket exchange i can get tix for their next home game for $35....so far i have not found anyone lower. I have checked the rams, chargers, and raiders

I admire their fans for sticking with them, but they have a limited fan base

If you count the Oak game? With the tarps Oakland only needs like 50k to sell the place out. That is some serious stat cherry picking.

The bottom line is that people joke about the Jaguars not drawing fans and have for years. Meanwhile the Jags have not had a blackout since 2009 and most years are somewhere around middle of the NFL in terms of fan attendance.

not cherry picking, i am using all the stats from this season

if you find a team with cheaper home tickets on the exchange let me know, so far it looks like from a how much will people pay standpoint the jags are bottom of the league

in every metric in this admittedly young season their attendance is abysmal

we can track it as it goes

they've had one home game and are 10% off of last year and 2nd worst in the league. We'll see if their storming out of the gates this season increases attendance as they go.

2012 they were 20th in average home attendance - near the middle

2011 25th - bottom third

2010 24th - bottom third

2009 30th

2008 - 21st - near the middle and actually around 17-20th the years prior to that

so in the last 5 years they are more like a bottom third of the league attendance team who occasionally surges to the middle of the pack

i will admit that their attendance looks worse than it is because of the tarped off sections of their stadium, but that;s part of the overall image

In 2012 they were 20th, near the middle. They were in fact about 3k per game from the middle. In 2011 when the Jags were 25th with 62.3k per game which is bottom third, but they were only about 4k people per game away from the middle. Compare that to Cincy in 2011 with 49.2k per game 17k away from the middle. Jacksonville is a small market and the Jags do have a small fan base but the fans support the team.

 

[B-Deep]

we'll see

i'll be shocked if they crack 25th in the league this year

tebow may be the only thing that can keep this team from LA

 

[JaxBill]

tebow may be the only thing that can keep this team from LA

:IBTL:

 

[Wadsworth]

tebow may be the only thing that can keep this team from LA

:IBTL:

2010 says hello. But in all seriousness, that is a good example of how the national perspective on both the Tebow situation and the LA situation is completely off base. Tim Tebow on the Jags would provide a small spike in ticket sales at best, but you would also risk alienating Jaguars fans that do not want the team to become sideshow. The LA moving rumors have been around for close to a decade now and there still no stadium in LA and no reason to think Mr. Khan has any plans to move the team.

 

[fatness]

i just have a massive hard...core crush... on for tebow

It's because he's a virgin, isn't it? NTTAWWT

 

[Goldfinger007]

Say what you will, but IMO the Jaguars would be a better team with Tebow at QB. I would never argue that Tebow's skills are well suited for a pro style drop back and pass offense, but neither are Gabbert or Henne's. I'll also give you that all the problems can't be placed on their shoulders either, but neither one of them bring anything to the table. There is absolutely no evidence that either one of them will ever be able to drop back and pick apart an NFL defense and neither one makes the players around them any better. They bring nothing. Tebow at least can make plays (allbeit with his legs), he protects the football and he makes players around him better. He just does. The only logical reason not to pick him up IMO is prevent the media circus and allow a clean start for Teddy Bridgewater, which honestly may not be that bad of a plan, but it requires that you write the entire season off at only two weeks in.

 

[B-Deep]

someone should tell the Jags that they don't have an attendance issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1788360-jacksonville-jaguars-attempt-to-lure-fans-to-buy-tickets-with-free-beer

 

[Wadsworth]

someone should tell the Jags that they don't have an attendance issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1788360-jacksonville-jaguars-attempt-to-lure-fans-to-buy-tickets-with-free-beer

I am sure the 7 people at the "Sign Tebow" rally in Jax will boycott. The challenge the Jags face with attendance is that they are terrible, I do not think that Tim Tebow would fix that.

 

[Jeremy]

Say what you will, but IMO the Jaguars would be a better team with Tebow at QB. I would never argue that Tebow's skills are well suited for a pro style drop back and pass offense, but neither are Gabbert or Henne's. I'll also give you that all the problems can't be placed on their shoulders either, but neither one of them bring anything to the table. There is absolutely no evidence that either one of them will ever be able to drop back and pick apart an NFL defense and neither one makes the players around them any better. They bring nothing. Tebow at least can make plays (allbeit with his legs), he protects the football and he makes players around him better. He just does. The only logical reason not to pick him up IMO is prevent the media circus and allow a clean start for Teddy Bridgewater, which honestly may not be that bad of a plan, but it requires that you write the entire season off at only two weeks in.

For the sake of arguement let's say Gabbert is the 45th Best QB in the league, Henne is 40th and Tebow is 35th. What good does it do anybody to have the 35th best QB in the league? What good is it to have the 20th best QB in the league. To win championships you need an elite one. Flacco/Eli is the minimum you need to win Lombardi trophies. Tebow isn't within 5 tiers of those guys and he never will be. You're better off with the Bridgewater plan by far.

 

[B-Deep]

someone should tell the Jags that they don't have an attendance issue.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1788360-jacksonville-jaguars-attempt-to-lure-fans-to-buy-tickets-with-free-beer

I am sure the 7 people at the "Sign Tebow" rally in Jax will boycott. The challenge the Jags face with attendance is that they are terrible, I do not think that Tim Tebow would fix that.

just addressing the myth that the attendance is not an issue

we'll never know if tebow would bring fans in, we do know henne and gabbert, to this point, have not

hopefully the free beer helps

 

[B-Deep]

UPDATE

After 2 home games they are 29th in home attendance

although i think they are announcing optimistic numbers, i saw a ton of empty seats in the jags highlights i saw...

 

[Wise Old Owl]

oh this thread is back

 

[Mr. Retukes]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

 

[RBM]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

Rams win this game tonight with Tebow.

 

[Tool]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

He did not complete 50% of his passes and up until that final drive he had a passer rating of 26!

What is Tebow's W-L record as a starter in the NFL?

If the Rams had Tebow, they would have won tonight.

If the rams had charlie ward, they would have won tonight.

 

[Dizzy]

This is just silly... if he could run an offense, THEN HE WOULD BE PLAYING.

The sandlot goofiness in that run in Denver was fun, but it's over. He looked totally lost as a Jet and I find it hard to believe that all of these GM's, scouts, coaches, etc. are all just "too dumb to see what they're missing."

He's not the first dominant college player that can't make it in the NFL... that list is a mile long.

 

[Rove!]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

He did not complete 50% of his passes and up until that final drive he had a passer rating of 26!

What is Tebow's W-L record as a starter in the NFL?

If the Rams had Tebow, they would have won tonight.

I have to say that Clemems' passing was as woeful as Tebow's, and Tebow probably could have run one in on that final drive...

 

[Dizzy]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

He did not complete 50% of his passes and up until that final drive he had a passer rating of 26!

What is Tebow's W-L record as a starter in the NFL?

If the Rams had Tebow, they would have won tonight.

I have to say that Clemems' passing was as woeful as Tebow's, and Tebow probably could have run one in on that final drive...

He wouldn't have had to... if Tebow was playing that 50+ yd FG that sailed wide right early in the 4th would have been pushed right down the muckin' fiddle by the finger of God and the Rams would have kicked a chippie to win it at the end.

 

[lod01]

The Rams think they are too good for Tim Tebow. Let me tell you something. They are not. Kellen Clemens flat out stinks!

Clemens has completed over 50% of his passes, which is more than can be said of the majority of Tebow's starts.

He did not complete 50% of his passes and up until that final drive he had a passer rating of 26!

What is Tebow's W-L record as a starter in the NFL?

If the Rams had Tebow, they would have won tonight.

You are just embarrassing yourself with statements like that. That lameass line ran it's course a couple years back.

Also, the Seattle D would have just stuffed Tebow's head up his ###. See Tebow vs Detroit, whose D is not as good as Seattle.

 

[DoubleG]

Whatevs. Count me in the group that thinks that Tebow is better then some of these awful backups who not only can't throw, but can't move in the pocket nor take a gust of wind without falling down. Tebow also had very few INTs (his 17 career TDs to 9 career INTs is pretty good compared to some of the dregs that some teams are marching out and calling QBs). In 2011 his passer rating was higher than that of Sam Bradford, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Luke & Josh McCown - all of whom are still in the league.

Looked totally lost as a Jet? He threw 8 regular season passes - that's not exactly a decent sample size (he completed 6 of those, btw). GMs don't want to mess with the media circus that surrounds him - but as a football player he has shown more ability to play the most important position on the field than what some teams are trotting out.

I get it - they don't want to deal with all the BS - and they don't want their coaches to have to deal with all of it either. But to pretend that Tebow hasn't shown more ability to protect the football and move an offense than Luke McClown (whose career TD/INT ratio is almost a perfect reversal of Tebow's - McCown: 9 TDs and 14 INTs) is just being disingenuous.

 

[lod01]

Whatevs. Count me in the group that thinks that Tebow is better then some of these awful backups who not only can't throw, but can't move in the pocket nor take a gust of wind without falling down. Tebow also had very few INTs (his 17 career TDs to 9 career INTs is pretty good compared to some of the dregs that some teams are marching out and calling QBs). In 2011 his passer rating was higher than that of Sam Bradford, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Luke & Josh McCown - all of whom are still in the league.

Looked totally lost as a Jet? He threw 8 regular season passes - that's not exactly a decent sample size (he completed 6 of those, btw). GMs don't want to mess with the media circus that surrounds him - but as a football player he has shown more ability to play the most important position on the field than what some teams are trotting out.

I get it - they don't want to deal with all the BS - and they don't want their coaches to have to deal with all of it either. But to pretend that Tebow hasn't shown more ability to protect the football and move an offense than Luke McClown (whose career TD/INT ratio is almost a perfect reversal of Tebow's - McCown: 9 TDs and 14 INTs) is just being disingenuous.

Here's the problem. The ultimate goal of every team is to win the Super Bowl. The minute you sign Tebow, you declare that the Super Bowl is not your #1 priority. You see, Tebow stunts the growth of everyone on any offense he is involved with. At least with these marginal QB's you don't waste time trying backyard football plays and wasting every other players time on the team. Sure, he can luck up some wins against weakly coached losers like himself. However, when you get to the playoffs, you meet the real contenders and he can't beat them. Ignore the Pittsburgh fluke as the next team they came up against showed how to destroy The Tebow.

 

[fatness]

This topic is a gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Dizzy]

This topic is a gift that keeps on giving.

Agreed. I can't believe all of these GM's spend their time browsing a shark pool.

You'd think with the trade deadline approaching...

 

[DoubleG]

Whatevs. Count me in the group that thinks that Tebow is better then some of these awful backups who not only can't throw, but can't move in the pocket nor take a gust of wind without falling down. Tebow also had very few INTs (his 17 career TDs to 9 career INTs is pretty good compared to some of the dregs that some teams are marching out and calling QBs). In 2011 his passer rating was higher than that of Sam Bradford, Christian Ponder, Blaine Gabbert, Luke & Josh McCown - all of whom are still in the league.

Looked totally lost as a Jet? He threw 8 regular season passes - that's not exactly a decent sample size (he completed 6 of those, btw). GMs don't want to mess with the media circus that surrounds him - but as a football player he has shown more ability to play the most important position on the field than what some teams are trotting out.

I get it - they don't want to deal with all the BS - and they don't want their coaches to have to deal with all of it either. But to pretend that Tebow hasn't shown more ability to protect the football and move an offense than Luke McClown (whose career TD/INT ratio is almost a perfect reversal of Tebow's - McCown: 9 TDs and 14 INTs) is just being disingenuous.

Here's the problem. The ultimate goal of every team is to win the Super Bowl. The minute you sign Tebow, you declare that the Super Bowl is not your #1 priority. You see, Tebow stunts the growth of everyone on any offense he is involved with. At least with these marginal QB's you don't waste time trying backyard football plays and wasting every other players time on the team. Sure, he can luck up some wins against weakly coached losers like himself. However, when you get to the playoffs, you meet the real contenders and he can't beat them. Ignore the Pittsburgh fluke as the next team they came up against showed how to destroy The Tebow.

If he is a backup - how exactly does "lucking up" a few wins hurt your team's chance of getting to the Superbowl? I'm sure some coaches wouldn't mind having Tebow "luck up" wins than Luke McCown doing something else to those chances. At no point did I say he should start for an NFL team - but he would make a better backup than most of the shlebs I listed. How exactly does Christian Ponder throwing ducks at people's feet stunt their growth more than Tebow scrambling for a first down?

As I said, I am not trying to make the argument that he should be a starter. That ship has sailed (and run aground) - but he fairly obviously is a better choice to step in for a few starts in the case of an injury, to try to keep a team afloat, then the noodle-arm, inaccurate goofs that teams are sending out to almost certain losses.

 

[Dizzy]

So what is it? If he's so much better than all of these other guys... why can't he get (keep) a job in the NFL?

He couldn't even stay in Denver after his team won a play-off game.

Wake up folks. It's over.