Is Tebow being given a Fair shot? (2 Viewers)

[cstu]

Tebow has never had a team give him that vote of confidence and build a team for him.

In all of his games in Denver he only completed more than 50% of passes 3 times. Even Chip Kelly called him out by saying "We are not a Tim Tebow type of quarterback team. I am not going to run my quarterback 20 times on power runs."

 

[Dizzy]

Tebow has never had a team give him that vote of confidence and build a team for him.

Exactly. Now it all makes sense, right?

 

[Arizona Ron]

He's better than a lot of backups.

Like who???

 

[cr8f]

It's funny that there are still people who think Tebow is an NFL caliber QB.

Yeah, funny how people think a guy with a winning record as a starting QB can be an NFL QB. Wait...? What?

He lost 4 of his last 5 games.

WTF. Wait he has a winning record and is 1-1 in postseason and your response is he's lost his last 4 of 5?

He's not getting a job, imo, because no offensive HC will dare change their offense and because of the ridiculous, over the top distracting circus that comes with him. He's better than a lot of backups.

That circus is what makes me glad he isn't anywhere near my team.

 

[cvnpoka]

wonder how many of the tebow defenders feel that vince young didnt get a fair chance and deserves to be "handed the keys to the car." i mean, winning record and all.

 

[lod01]

Tebow has never had a team give him that vote of confidence and build a team for him.

Exactly. Now it all makes sense, right?

It would be like committing Head Coach/GM suicide. Even the worst of head coaches & GMs aren't that stupid.

I will say I miss this clown looking stupid on the field and the Tebowners cheering him on.

 

[flapgreen]

He's better than a lot of backups.

Like who???

Seneca Wallace

 

[flapgreen]

Tebow has never had a team give him that vote of confidence and build a team for him.

Exactly. Now it all makes sense, right?

It would be like committing Head Coach/GM suicide. Even the worst of head coaches & GMs aren't that stupid.I will say I miss this clown looking stupid on the field and the Tebowners cheering him on.

What makes you dislike him so much?

 

[PatsFanCT]

He's better than a lot of backups.

Like who???

Seneca Wallace

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[Hoss Style]

Survey says...!

 

[Alkahsu]

Tebow Time in Geeen Bay.

 

[lod01]

I'm all for Tebow, That would eliminate a few top teams WRs in both my FFL leagues.

 

[QuizGuy66]

How many more smitings have to happen before it's Tebow Time again?

-QG

 

[SacramentoBob]

I think he could step into the starting role at Minnesota and make them a better team than they are, but that's about it. He's not a long term solution, and because of it, there's no need to re-tool your entire offense around him if he's just a stop gap. I think there's value in running a contrarian offense in the NFL since most teams build their defenses around stopping what the majority of teams are doing. And I think it would be interesting if some bottom feeder team brought in a new coach who wanted to base a team around Tebow's strengths, but I think he's a terrible QB regardless. You can't run around behind the LoS for 20 seconds like a chicken with its head cut off hoping one of your receivers gets wide open.

 

[ummich10]

I'm sure Pat White and Brady Quinn would have been great too if someone would have been willing to a build a team around their strengths.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm sure Pat White and Brady Quinn would have been great too if someone would have been willing to a build a team around their strengths.

I'm not sure Brady Quinn has any strengths.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm sure Pat White and Brady Quinn would have been great too if someone would have been willing to a build a team around their strengths.

I'm not sure Brady Quinn has any strengths.

That I agree with.

White and Dixon are two other QBs who could be in this discussion in my opinion.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I haven't read 4 pages of posts but I'm hard pressed to think of many QBs with similar passing skills who have gotten more of a shot than Tebow has.

Rich Gannon. Kordell Stewart. Tavaris Jackson. Off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens of failed NFL QBs. The one difference is they didn't win games. All of them had running skills, but none had the swagger of this guy. There is no arguing that, for whatever reason, Tebow has been successful at winning games at every level. Until he starts losing, I think he earns a shot. And, like I had said earlier, he had historically been an accurate passer. I think that the Broncos tinkering may have been the problem.Edit to add: Rich Gannon developed into a good passer. But in the beginning, he was terribly inaccurate.

Kordell Stewart is one example of a guy like Tebow whom a team did decide to build an offense around after he had done well the previous season.

The coach was of course Cowher, no slouch. And in fact Stewart actually took the advice Tebow's gotten and he became a WR after having been a college QB.

Kordell's record was 48-34 over roughly six seasons as a full time to part time starter. Tebow or anyone else would be proud of that. Stewart had 77 TDs, 84 INTs, 55% comp. %, QBR of ~70, he had a 6.7% sack %, he ran for 2874 yards and another 38 TDs (so really he had 115 TDs to 84 INTs, which looks much better).

Stewart won games even though he was not a very good passer - he had 11 and 13 win seasons to his credit. Cowher was like Fox, at least back then, all ball control and defense. And the great horrible dirty secret of the NFL is that running the ball all day effectively and not turning the ball over in a boring, straight ahead fashion will win you ball games.

But that's not what they're selling these days.

On the other hand no team can truly aspire to win a Championship with these guys. After maybe Stewart's best season 2001 PIT moved on to Tommy Maddox, the very picture of mediocrity, a passing QB (not a very good one) for two years. Then they drafted Ben Roethlisberger and of course they won the Super Bowl, which is what it's all about.

 

[Dizzy]

I haven't read 4 pages of posts but I'm hard pressed to think of many QBs with similar passing skills who have gotten more of a shot than Tebow has.

Rich Gannon. Kordell Stewart. Tavaris Jackson. Off the top of my head. I could come up with dozens of failed NFL QBs. The one difference is they didn't win games. All of them had running skills, but none had the swagger of this guy. There is no arguing that, for whatever reason, Tebow has been successful at winning games at every level. Until he starts losing, I think he earns a shot. And, like I had said earlier, he had historically been an accurate passer. I think that the Broncos tinkering may have been the problem.Edit to add: Rich Gannon developed into a good passer. But in the beginning, he was terribly inaccurate.

Kordell Stewart is one example of a guy like Tebow whom a team did decide to build an offense around after he had done well the previous season.

The coach was of course Cowher, no slouch. And in fact Stewart actually took the advice Tebow's gotten and he became a WR after having been a college QB.

Kordell's record was 48-34 over roughly six seasons as a full time to part time starter. Tebow or anyone else would be proud of that. Stewart had 77 TDs, 84 INTs, 55% comp. %, QBR of ~70, he had a 6.7% sack %, he ran for 2874 yards and another 38 TDs (so really he had 115 TDs to 84 INTs, which looks much better).

Stewart won games even though he was not a very good passer - he had 11 and 13 win seasons to his credit. Cowher was like Fox, at least back then, all ball control and defense. And the great horrible dirty secret of the NFL is that running the ball all day effectively and not turning the ball over in a boring, straight ahead fashion will win you ball games.

But that's not what they're selling these days.

On the other hand no team can truly aspire to win a Championship with these guys. After maybe Stewart's best season 2001 PIT moved on to Tommy Maddox, the very picture of mediocrity, a passing QB (not a very good one) for two years. Then they drafted Ben Roethlisberger and of course they won the Super Bowl, which is what it's all about.

Stewart's refusal to move back to WR is the reason his NFL career was cut short. He was awesome as "Slash"... not so much as Kordell.

 

[SportsGuru311]

I never though he was given a fair shot. Te Jets and rex ryan ruined his career

 

[Joe Summer]

Stewart's refusal to move back to WR is the reason his NFL career was cut short. He was awesome as "Slash"... not so much as Kordell.

11 years is "cut short" to you? Or are you just confused?

 

[PatsFanCT]

I never though he was given a fair shot. Te Jets and rex ryan ruined his career

What kind of shot does a 3rd string QB who can't pass deserve? And how exactly did Rex Ryan ruin his career?

Actually, don't answer that. It's a complete waste of time to debate anyone with your point of view.

 

[jackdubl]

He's gotten roughly the same shot as Vince Young, so the answer to the thread is "yes".

 

[Statcruncher]

15 pages about a QB who can't accurately throw the ball?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Stewart's refusal to move back to WR is the reason his NFL career was cut short. He was awesome as "Slash"... not so much as Kordell.

11 years is "cut short" to you? Or are you just confused?

He had 2 years as a WR/Slash. - He had 5 years as a starting QB, maybe another year as a backup. Point is the Steelers did build an offense around Stewart, they went 13-3 with him in maybe his best statistical year, and then they moved on. Stewart did get "a shot" but the Steelers despite all this decided they wanted him back at WR and (like Tebow) he said no. He got a couple more years as a backup in PIT & CHI, and then those last two of his 11 total were basically as roster fodder, he maybe hung around for a handful of games, that's it.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I never though he was given a fair shot. Te Jets and rex ryan ruined his career

And the Patriots.

 

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[rascal]

Can we move this thread to FFA?. It's obviously not about the NFL.

 

[Dizzy]

15 pages about a QB who can't accurately throw the ball?

It's not about football with The Tebow. Think of it as 15 pages about God's gift to mankind.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

I never though he was given a fair shot. Te Jets and rex ryan ruined his career

The NFL teams are in the business of winning. If they thought Tebow was the guy or a chance of it he would be given that opportunity.

 

[Raider Nation]

If the Packers were smart, they would sign Tebow immediately.

Yeah, he fits McCarthy's offense beautifully. Bring back Gilbert Brown as a lead blocker next.

 

[Dizzy]

If the Packers were smart, they would sign Tebow immediately.

But, alas, they are not. They would rather lose. Wallace and Tolzien stink to high heaven. The Packers will not win a game with those clowns.

Haven't you heard? Everyone in the NFL is a complete idiot... that's why Tebow is out of league. He's that good.

 

[towney]

Hate to say it but Packer Nation and Coach think Tolzien is the "chosen one" and they are bringing Flynn in for a workout.

 

[lod01]

If the Packers were smart, they would sign Tebow immediately.

But, alas, they are not. They would rather lose. Wallace and Tolzien stink to high heaven. The Packers will not win a game with those clowns.

You should probably call them up and explain your grea idea to them.

 

[sho nuff]

Tolzien > Tebow

 

[fatness]

And as long as their are QB's having bad weeks in the NFL (which will be forever) this topic will keep getting bumped. "Tebow would have done better than [bad QB]."

Every week. Like clockwork.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If the Packers were smart, they would sign Tebow immediately.

But, alas, they are not. They would rather lose. Wallace and Tolzien stink to high heaven. The Packers will not win a game with those clowns.

They're probably afraid of a QB controversy when Rodgers comes back in 4 weeks. Poor dude already had to sit behind Favre all those year, they don't have the heart to "Wally Pip" him with Tebow.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Tolzien > Tebow

This is true.

However, Tebow > Wallace. (However so are Pat White & Dennis Dixon in my opinion).

I just wish people would talk about some other backup QBs out there.

Kurt Warner is not the only guy kicked to the curb who (almost) was never given another chance. I don't mean Tebow, I mean there are probably 2-3 QBs who could be starters in this league but can't even find a spot on a practice squad.

 

[Sarnoff]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

Ha, I think Elway would rather drive his car off of the Independence Pass road.

 

[Joe Summer]

Kurt Warner is not the only guy kicked to the curb who (almost) was never given another chance. I don't mean Tebow, I mean there are probably 2-3 QBs who could be starters in this league but can't even find a spot on a practice squad.

At least Warner was able to swallow his ego and take his game down to the Arena League where he was able to prove himself, get noticed, and then latch on with the lowly Rams as the 3rd-string QB.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Kurt Warner is not the only guy kicked to the curb who (almost) was never given another chance. I don't mean Tebow, I mean there are probably 2-3 QBs who could be starters in this league but can't even find a spot on a practice squad.

At least Warner was able to swallow his ego and take his game down to the Arena League where he was able to prove himself, get noticed, and then latch on with the lowly Rams as the 3rd-string QB.

Awesome point, true.

Iowa Barnstormers.

 

[lod01]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

yet another He doesn't know #### about that offense or any NFL offense for that matter.

 

[FlapJacks]

Dizzy you're such an angry person...perhaps you should direct that anger away from Tebow and towards actions which could benefit you...

 

[jackdubl]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

yet another He doesn't know #### about that offense or any NFL offense for that matter.

Perhaps you are the one who don't know ####? Tebow has a 9-7 record as an NFL starting QB including a playoff win over the Steelers.

Yeah, but he doesn't know the offense, which is what you said. He knows the wishbone offense. Read your own posts.

 

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If the Packers were smart, they would sign Tebow immediately.

But, alas, they are not. They would rather lose. Wallace and Tolzien stink to high heaven. The Packers will not win a game with those clowns.

Haven't you heard? Everyone in the NFL is a complete idiot... that's why Tebow is out of league. He's that good.

Ahhh...Christians.... such a funny breed.

 

[Joe Summer]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

yet another He doesn't know #### about that offense or any NFL offense for that matter.

Perhaps you are the one who don't know ####? Tebow has a 9-7 record as an NFL starting QB including a playoff win over the Steelers.

David Garrard has a 40-38 record as an NFL starting QB including a playoff win over the Steelers. By your logic, the Jets should automatically promote him to the starter.

 

[matuski]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

What could possibly make you say this?

 

[T with T]

The reason tebow can't get signed is the circus act that is portrayed by the media and the attention this guy brings to your team. It almost seems like your team is constantly being brought up and almost made fun of for having this guy on your team and I think that's why he didn't last long in NE. They wanted no part of that and I think this is one of them rare cases where he just will never be on an NFL team from circumstances that are very rare and actually quite messed up. Basically he is made fun of or laughed at in the media and he can't succeed in the NFL because no one wants a player that draws that much attention. Just the way it is!

 

[MoveToSkypager]

If Manning had to miss 3-4 weeks, would the Broncos bring in Tebow? Knows the offense and has a proven record of winning with that team. Won their playoff game after all.

What could possibly make you say this?

He wore the same jersey, duh.

I bet Jake Plummer could walk in and play too.