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15-year league. We have a keeper league rule which results in a lot of last minute/pre-draft trades of players for picks. Two guys are not very aggressive with trades so I am offering this deal.

To team 1 - I give my 5th round pick for Jamal Charles

To team 2 - I give Jamal Charles for his 3rd rounder

I'm working both ends waiting for replies, but want to know what others think of this maneuvering. Shark move vs. Jerk move?

 

[dollarbill13]

I see no problem with this.

If team 2 is smart, he'll realize you don't currently have Charles and go directly to team 1 and see if he can get a better deal. If not, it isn't your problem.

 

[geoff8695]

If I'm team 2 and considering giving you my 3rd rounder, why wouldn't I just cut out the middle man and offer team 1 my 4th rounder?

Aren't you worried that you're tipping your hand to team 2?

 

[red]

If I'm team 2 and considering giving you my 3rd rounder, why wouldn't I just cut out the middle man and offer team 1 my 4th rounder?Aren't you worried that you're tipping your hand to team 2?

because team 2 is not aggressive enough to figure this out on his own.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

when i do 3 way trades, i make sure that someone currently on my team is an important part of the trade. if team 2 has any smarts at all, he'll just talk to team 1.

 

[red]

when i do 3 way trades, i make sure that someone currently on my team is an important part of the trade. if team 2 has any smarts at all, he'll just talk to team 1.

neither team is aware that i'm talking to the other team. team 2 just hasn't figured it out that i don't have jamal charles (yet)....

 

[Chaka]

I think team 1 is going to say no so don't worry about it.

 

[red]

I think team 1 is going to say no so don't worry about it.

i approached him and he made the offer...i guess he doesn't know that i fully intend on keeping ray rice and trading jamal charles to a RB-needy team.

 

[kardplayer]

A) Shark move

B) Agree that putting some value into the mix is usually a safeguard against getting cut out

When I make moves like this, I usually say things like "if I could get you a top 5 back, would you give me a third rounder for him" - that way you protect the info somewhat. Still can be figured out, but it requires the unaggressive to do a little more leg work than if you just gave the name flat out.

 

[Spin]

A) Shark moveB) Agree that putting some value into the mix is usually a safeguard against getting cut outWhen I make moves like this, I usually say things like "if I could get you a top 5 back, would you give me a third rounder for him" - that way you protect the info somewhat. Still can be figured out, but it requires the unaggressive to do a little more leg work than if you just gave the name flat out.

This is how to do it.

 

[elbowrm]

What you will lose in long-term reputational value in the league far exceeds the value gained in moving from the 5th to the 3rd.

 

[footballnerd]

What you will lose in long-term reputational value in the league far exceeds the value gained in moving from the 5th to the 3rd.

I'd give him props for making moves like this, but would double check any offers I had on the table with him

 

[Dr. Octopus]

15-year league. We have a keeper league rule which results in a lot of last minute/pre-draft trades of players for picks. Two guys are not very aggressive with trades so I am offering this deal. To team 1 - I give my 5th round pick for Jamal CharlesTo team 2 - I give Jamal Charles for his 3rd rounderI'm working both ends waiting for replies, but want to know what others think of this maneuvering. Shark move vs. Jerk move?

Why wouldn't you just keep Jamal Charles instead of flipping him for a 3rd? Why would someone take a 5th round pick for him in the first place?

 

[cheese]

A lot of leagues have rules that you can only keep one player so you see ridiculous trades like this from teams that have 2 studs and are about to throw one back anyway. Sometimes, these owners are simply too lazy to trade their extra "stud" to a team with no legit keeper. I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening in the OP, but it would explain it.

 

[johnadams]

What you will lose in long-term reputational value in the league far exceeds the value gained in moving from the 5th to the 3rd.

I'd give him props for making moves like this, but would double check any offers I had on the table with him

Indeed And I'd invite him to any leagues that I commish. These are the type of owners I like in my leagues.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

A lot of leagues have rules that you can only keep one player so you see ridiculous trades like this from teams that have 2 studs and are about to throw one back anyway. Sometimes, these owners are simply too lazy to trade their extra "stud" to a team with no legit keeper. I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening in the OP, but it would explain it.

I guess that makes sense but I'd almost rather just throw Charles into the pool and have some one "waste" a first round pick on him then to get only a fifth (which is actually a sixth in this format). Not sure who the other owner would be keeping over Charles, but I'd make some one pay if they wanted him.

 

[red]

A lot of leagues have rules that you can only keep one player so you see ridiculous trades like this from teams that have 2 studs and are about to throw one back anyway. Sometimes, these owners are simply too lazy to trade their extra "stud" to a team with no legit keeper. I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening in the OP, but it would explain it.

this not exactly but essentially right

 

[Tondi]

A) Shark moveB) Agree that putting some value into the mix is usually a safeguard against getting cut outWhen I make moves like this, I usually say things like "if I could get you a top 5 back, would you give me a third rounder for him" - that way you protect the info somewhat. Still can be figured out, but it requires the unaggressive to do a little more leg work than if you just gave the name flat out.

This!

 

[footballnerd]

A lot of leagues have rules that you can only keep one player so you see ridiculous trades like this from teams that have 2 studs and are about to throw one back anyway. Sometimes, these owners are simply too lazy to trade their extra "stud" to a team with no legit keeper. I'm not saying that is definitely what is happening in the OP, but it would explain it.

I guess that makes sense but I'd almost rather just throw Charles into the pool and have some one "waste" a first round pick on him then to get only a fifth (which is actually a sixth in this format). Not sure who the other owner would be keeping over Charles, but I'd make some one pay if they wanted him.

exactly, you still got to compete against the owner you trade him to. Wouldn't want to give him ridiculous value that makes it a disadvantage for yourself, I'd rather burn the keeper back into the pool in that case.

 

[tenaka]

I've got nothing wrong with leading the way for a three-way-trade. But no move is a shark move when made in a league where people don't pay attention and can't figure out that they're being offered a player that the other guy doesn't even own.

 

[rizzler]

I've got nothing wrong with leading the way for a three-way-trade. But no move is a shark move when made in a league where people don't pay attention and can't figure out that they're being offered a player that the other guy doesn't even own.

You're preying on fools

 

[Bri]

From the title, I thought you were the one suggesting that two owners make a trade between themselves. I've rarely ever heard of this happening since online leagues dominated and miss these suggestions that occurred in live person to person local leagues.