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Is this University racist against white people? (1 Viewer)

Oh and...

A message that Western Washington's President Bruce Shepard has been pushing for several years is starting to gain a good deal of attention after the school sent out a survey that included the question: "How do we make sure that in future years 'we are not as white as we are today?'"

"I've said before, and I'll say it again, that we as a faculty and staff, student body, as an administration, if we 10 years from now are as white as we are today, we will have failed as a university in the commitment to meet the critical needs of our state," Shepard has said, even offering a written explanation of his position.

KIRO Radio's Tom Tangney agrees with Shepard's idea, but understands why it's sparking a lot of controversy.

Tom says...

He's catching a lot of hell, and I understand the catching, because it's sort of indelicately put to say you're too white.

The right-wing spin on this is basically he's saying that being white is bad. That's not what he's saying, although I understand if you want to interpret it in the most negative terms, that would be it.

Clearly, what he wants to do is he wants to do an outreach to minority cultures and minorities at his campus. He is uncomfortable with having a completely homogenous, white university. He thinks that doesn't reflect on the university's mission.

Now, you could claim that the university's mission should be nothing but educating whoever your students are, and the racial breakdown or the religious breakdown of the population should not be a concern, but I think that this is a kind of concern that as a president you have, that somehow you are not reflective of the society you operate in.

I think what he said is indelicately put, but I think his heart is in the right place, and I agree with the ultimate mission. We'd probably be better off if we had a better diverse mix. That is not to say we should lower standards to bring them in. I don't think that's what he's after. He's just saying diversity is something at Western that they should be aware of.

I think it's a good idea to try to figure out a way to not lower the standards, but to encourage a more diverse student body. I'm still of the belief that most people with a college education are better off than those without one. So, if it's only whites who are getting college degrees and, as a result, getting a leg up on the competition for jobs, that's not a good thing for society as a whole.

Taken from Wednesday's edition of The Tom and Curley Show.
http://mynorthwest.com/11/2499395/Western-Washington-University-president-wants-school-to-be-less-white

Memo to johnjohn: It kinda helps when you use media to also look for more media to flesh this out.

 
Just to help johnjohn here:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/04/16/this-isnt-racist-at-all-western-washington-university-considers-number-of-white-students-on-campus-a-failure/

“Now, this is from my own hometown of Bellingham, Washington – one of the whitest, white, whitey, white places in America. I mean I lived on the mean street of 22nd Avenue,” Glenn joked on radio this morning. “It was hard. Wherever you go, there are whites. Occasionally there are some Asians, and occasionally there are some Hispanics… And Western Washington University is the big university that was just about 10 blocks up the street. And they have decided that they want fewer white people attending. I want you to know: This isn’t racist at all.”

According to Campus Reform, the “Six Questions on the Future of Western” questionnaire was disseminated through the WWU marketing department’s daily newsletter Western Today. It came on the heels “of admonishments given in multiple convocation addresses by WWU President Bruce Shepard for the university’s ‘failure’ to be less white.”

In a January blog post, Shepard explained that if the school is “as white in ten years as we are today,” the university “will have failed as a university”

“Finally somebody says it,” Stu quipped.

Glenn was in a particularly magnanimous mood this morning, and he offered a surefire way to correct the school’s diversity problem.

“If I may, I’d like to suggest that the way to make your university less white [is] just fire all the administration and all of the professors that are white. You do that, and you could change the balance of what’s happening on that campus,” Glenn explained. “Fire all the white people that work there because I know you believe in it so much that you would give your job up to be able to have justice and equality.”

It’s safe to say WWU probably won’t be heeding that advice anytime soon. But, then again, what does he know?

“So that’s just also tip from me,” Glenn concluded. “You know, but I came from the mean street of 22nd Avenue, so what do I know.”
:lmao: glenn beck

 
Just to help johnjohn here:

http://www.glennbeck.com/2014/04/16/this-isnt-racist-at-all-western-washington-university-considers-number-of-white-students-on-campus-a-failure/

“Now, this is from my own hometown of Bellingham, Washington – one of the whitest, white, whitey, white places in America. I mean I lived on the mean street of 22nd Avenue,” Glenn joked on radio this morning. “It was hard. Wherever you go, there are whites. Occasionally there are some Asians, and occasionally there are some Hispanics… And Western Washington University is the big university that was just about 10 blocks up the street. And they have decided that they want fewer white people attending. I want you to know: This isn’t racist at all.”

According to Campus Reform, the “Six Questions on the Future of Western” questionnaire was disseminated through the WWU marketing department’s daily newsletter Western Today. It came on the heels “of admonishments given in multiple convocation addresses by WWU President Bruce Shepard for the university’s ‘failure’ to be less white.”

In a January blog post, Shepard explained that if the school is “as white in ten years as we are today,” the university “will have failed as a university”

“Finally somebody says it,” Stu quipped.

Glenn was in a particularly magnanimous mood this morning, and he offered a surefire way to correct the school’s diversity problem.

“If I may, I’d like to suggest that the way to make your university less white [is] just fire all the administration and all of the professors that are white. You do that, and you could change the balance of what’s happening on that campus,” Glenn explained. “Fire all the white people that work there because I know you believe in it so much that you would give your job up to be able to have justice and equality.”

It’s safe to say WWU probably won’t be heeding that advice anytime soon. But, then again, what does he know?

“So that’s just also tip from me,” Glenn concluded. “You know, but I came from the mean street of 22nd Avenue, so what do I know.”
:lmao: glenn beck
Of course. Now you're getting it.

 
BTW, let's take a look at WWU:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Washington_University

Western was established as the Northwest Normal School, a teachers' school for women, by Phoebe Judson in Lynden, Washington, in 1886.[12] Eventually the school moved to Bellingham (then "New Whatcom"), and through the efforts of William R. Moultray and George Judson (Phoebe's son),[13] Governor John McGraw signed legislation establishing the New Whatcom Normal School on February 24, 1893. The first official class entered in 1899, composed of 88 students.

The institution that is now Western Washington University has since undergone several name changes. In 1901, the school's name was changed to State Normal School at Whatcom to reflect New Whatcom's name change. Again, in 1904, the name was changed to Washington State Normal School at Bellingham when the townships of Whatcom and Fairhaven joined, and again in 1937, to Western Washington College of Education when it became a 4-year college. Twenty-four years later it became Western Washington State College and finally, in 1977, the institution gained university status.

The 1960s was a period of especially rapid growth for Western, as its enrollment increased from 3,000 students to over 10,000 during the decade. Also during this time, the Fairhaven College of Interdisciplinary Studies was founded (1967), with non-traditional education methods that would serve as a model for The Evergreen State College in Olympia, Washington. Two years later, the Huxley College of the Environment, the nation's first dedicated environmental science college, was founded, continuing Western's trend toward "cluster" colleges. That same year, on a spring afternoon, students gained headlines by blocking Interstate 5 to protest the Vietnam War.

Since this period, the College of Arts and Sciences was founded (1973) and divided into the College of Humanities & Social Sciences and the College of Sciences & Technology (2003); the College of Fine and Performing Arts was formed from several art departments (1975); and the College of Business and Economics was established (1976). During the 1999–2000 school year, Western celebrated its Centennial.

Today, WWU has a major presence in Bellingham's economy, and contributes significantly to the political, social, and artistic aspects of the city. With a student body that currently consists of over 14,000 students, the university is the third largest in Washington after Washington State University at about 26,000 students and the University of Washington at about 43,000 students both undergraduate and graduate.
 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

What do you mean by saying, "If we are as white in ten years as we are today, Western will have failed as a university?

Well, first, I did say it. In just those words. I said it at my inaugural opening convocation speech six years ago. I have said it every year since.

Recently, that assertion was included in a communication that went out to a wider audience. I received a number of concerned emails as a result. Most thoughtful, not all.

No surprise. My word choice was intended to be provocative. Lately, I have been noticing, in our trade press, with increasing frequency and stridency, warnings much the same as those I was issuing six years ago. Last Sunday, the Chronicle of Higher Education carried an article titled, “Bracing for Demographic Shifts, Colleges Face Tough Trade-Offs.” The next day, the Chronicle carried a piece in which a former Director of the U.S. Bureau of the Census issued warnings about the survivability prospects facing those universities that are currently mostly white.

So, why am I again raising this subject?

I am increasingly concerned about our understanding of the issues ahead, for that understanding must be pervasive in order to enable Western’s critically important capacity to then change.

And change we must.

And, if we don’t? Well, I probably should have said it this way:

In the decades ahead, should we be as white as we are today, we will be relentlessly driven toward mediocrity; or, become a sad shadow of our current self.

Many do get it. But, too often, I encounter behaviors and communications that suggest to me that folks have not thought through the implications of what is ahead for us or, more perniciously, assume we can continue unchanged.

Understanding requires conversations on our campus that are wide and deep, thoughtful and informed. And, if being provocative helps stimulate those conversations well, then, guess I am merely doing my job.

Several of those who wrote to me of their concern about my statement that “we fail if we remain overwhelmingly white” thought I was advocating a policy of “letting in” minorities and thereby keeping out "equally deserving whites." I thought that strange, for no such plan had ever occurred to me. Then, I spotted a reason for the confusion.

Some apparently thought we have a choice here: that we can continue as we are. So, one might then conclude that any change to more reflect the diversity of our state would require manipulation of our admissions policies.

But, continuing as we are is not an option.

When I say "failed" I do mean it in a critically important moral and ethical sense. I also mean it, though, in a very practical, tangible, do-we-survive-as-a-public-university-worthy-of-the-name sense. And, it is those practical, self-interested rationales I will develop.

The key is in the demography and, apparently, not all are up to speed on this. Start with these facts: we proudly serve Washington by making sure 90% of our students come from Washington; high school graduation numbers in our state are flat and are projected to remain so; within those flat graduation numbers, the percentage coming from families from diverse ethnic and racial groups where parents have not gone to college is rapidly increasing.

That means the number of high school graduates we have traditionally drawn upon are rapidly decreasing.

Add to that the reality that we are entering an even more highly competitive environment when it comes to attracting students.

It's not about keeping whites out, then. The group from which we have traditionally drawn will no longer be out there in the numbers we have previously relied upon.

It is about whether we will have the wisdom, the culture, the commitment, to be able to attract a sufficient number of students from diverse backgrounds.

Attract numbers sufficient for what? Well, first there is our mission and the well-being of the state we exist to serve. The whole world is competing for the developed talent essential to replace the retiring baby boomers. The U.S. starts behind many nations in this competition, as we are now an outlier, internationally, with the coming U.S. generation less well educated than that one that preceded it. And, among the 50 states, Washington lags at the very rear. Our state needs more and more baccalaureate graduates. Western graduates importantly among them.

But, I’m going to bring it down to where we live. We need to attract numbers of students (diverse or otherwise) sufficient to pay our bills. Over 80% of our operating budget is made up of salaries – yours and mine. With tuition now making up 70% of our costs of instruction, fewer students mean fewer of us.

And, to be even more direct: not fewer presidents, fewer faculty. If enrollment size goes down, then it is the variable costs that are reduced, not the largely fixed administrative costs. For "variable costs" read mostly "faculty."

That means fewer curricular choices, more generic curricula, a much different and much weaker Western.

We could choose, I suppose, to go the route of being a much smaller, elite-serving, almost entirely liberal arts college. That could be made to work financially. But, it is sure not why I (and I am sure you) chose to be in public higher education. It would be a total abandonment of our admirable mission.

One choice we do not have: to stick our heads in the sand.

Were we to do so, we could go awhile longer, watching tuition revenues decline, slowly at first but then rapidly. And, with revenue declines, we would start on a relentless slide toward mediocrity. Probably would be able to make it past the time I decide to retire, perhaps the same for you. But, those who follow would justifiably curse us for our irresponsibility.

Note the direction of this causal arrow: Should we fail in our efforts to reflect the diversity increasingly enriching our state, then Western is relentlessly driven toward mediocrity.

And that conclusion follows just from a simple and undeniable dollars-and-cents analysis of our future budgetary alternatives. But, consider additional and more academic implications: they powerfully reinforce exactly the same conclusion.

First is the compelling research linking academic quality to diversity. Compelling enough to persuade the majority of a mostly conservative Supreme Court in Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger that race may be used as a factor in the admissions process. Not to benefit diverse applicants; but to benefit the quality of the education available to all admitted. As a WWU colleague recently put it, “there is no quality higher education experience without diversity.”

Then, of course, there is our obligation to prepare our students to effectively and collaboratively work – on the job, in their communities – in a state and a nation soon to be majority minority. Our classrooms must be test beds, even cauldrons, where those abilities are learned, practiced, celebrated. But that cannot be if the classrooms are unreflective of the world our students will be entering.

Do note one critical point: these contributions to the quality of our learning environment do not automatically happen simply as a result of numbers, as a consequence of there being diversity. We will need to invest ourselves in studying the research and learning the best practices whereby statistical diversity becomes enhanced academic preparation for all students.

So, we must thoughtfully, strategically prepare for a future where we embrace a coming college age population that, as I have already pointed out, will be majority minority.

What should Western be doing? Well, you probably know my leadership style by now. It is to pose questions rather than to provide answers. Questions that take us out of our zones of comfort. That is what I am trying to do here. That is so you, the thousands of faculty, staff, students, alums, and all who are Western can then come up with answers far more thoughtful, far more creative, far more effective than any “answers” those few of us in Old Main might suggest, top down.

Still, some things are obvious.

We have much going for us: the caliber and commitment of our people and our resultant reputation for the quality of our undergraduate programs, leading edge curricula, our retention rates, our best-of-class graduation rates.

Our location is an asset for those who are attracted to all that Bellingham has to offer. But, who are so attracted? Go down to Boulevard Park on a sunny Saturday afternoon, walk out along the boardwalk toward Fairhaven and then count the number of people of color you pass. Not many.

Leave the city limits, though, and look at the ethnic composition of the more rural Whatcom and Skagit elementary schools. There you find exploding diversity. And, importantly, Western initiatives and major efforts, largely out of Woodring College of Education, reaching into those schools. Put that down on the "assets" side: both the innovative WWU outreach and the exploding diversity.

Our Trustees are helping lead the way. From their many walks of life they clearly see the transforming nature of the Washington in which Western must remain a leader. And, in the performance expectations they specifically set for me – and through me, for us – there is no higher priority than to succeed in embracing the changes now looming. Their leadership is, again, an important asset.

The costs of attending Western loom large on the "liabilities" side. Western's net tuition (tuition minus average financial support) is high when compared to other Washington public universities. And, currently, undocumented students, a significant percentage of the demographic shift in our coming high school graduates, do not qualify for either federal or state need-based aide.

Those “cost” liabilities do not worry me most. We and our state can find our way through them as the handwriting on the wall becomes increasingly impossible for our state (and nation) to ignore. We can because we must. And, that is the easier part.

It is our internal capacity to change at the rate required that I find myself most thinking about during those 3:00 a.m. staring-at-the-ceiling times.

It begins with our culture. Lately, I have been hearing the occasional comment that gives me pause; for example, expressing a concern about the Admissions Office letting standards slip. (Facts are, mean entering high school GPA's have remained relatively constant over the last six years, but dispersion—standard deviation—has increased as we take more students at both the higher and lower end.)

But I want to shout, "get those heads out of the sand." Unless you want us to choose the path of the much smaller, elite-serving university I earlier rejected, our incoming students are more and more going to be coming from families where parents have not gone to college and where academic preparation will likely not have been as high a priority.

These future students have all the smarts, all the potential, the invaluable active minds driven to change lives. But they will be testing our ability to perform in new ways. Part of the cultural change will be to go from bragging about (or worrying about) what we start with to bragging about the levels to which we take our students.

Nor are we about to lower our graduation standards. Rather, we do what will be the harder work of getting our students of the future to the standards we set for them. And, for ourselves. The same best-of-class graduation rates. The same well prepared graduates so highly sought by employers.

This will mean investing, continually over the next decade, in expanded and different student and academic support services. We began doing so this biennium if you tracked our budget decisions.

It will mean continuing to diversify our faculty and staff, for the research is clear here: having diverse faculty and staff is critical to attracting diverse students and to the success of those students once here. I am pleased to see the progress we have made as we have begun hiring again. We cannot let up and, indeed, must do even better.

Why the research results indicating this link between staff composition and student success? Ask a student of color what they mean when they say they need to see faculty and staff “who look like them.” Do they really mean physically look like them? Provost Carbajal recently asked that question (in Spanish) of Hispanic students at a school in the Skagit Valley. The answers went something like, “No, not someone who physically looks like us but rather someone for whom we do not have to constantly explain ourselves.”

That points the way to another opportunity open to us all: that, however we may look physically, our students find, when working with us, that they do not have to feel like they must explain themselves to us. Constantly.

The jargon is that we be “critically culturally conscious.” Like any set of skills, such cultural consciousness is learned and then refined through practice; scholars, doing the research, have distilled what it means; we currently teach it to some of our students as we prepare them for success in various fields; and we can learn it ourselves.

We must continue our commitment to build the pipeline - to ensure that the students who are out there are prepared to succeed at Western. We do so through partnerships with the local K-12 and 2-year schools, through the ways in which we prepare teachers, in our several commitments to mentoring, to our efforts to raise the aspirations of those whose parents have not gone to college. Our efforts must be sustained and pursued for the long term.

But, it is really important to understand where responsibility for success rests. It rests with all of us. And that was part of my concern about earlier statements I mentioned such as those concerning the assumed failing of the Admissions Office. This is not, primarily, an Admissions Office responsibility. The responsibility belongs to us all.

There is a useful data set called the National Survey of Student Engagement (NSSE). Measures students’ views and experiences with everything you can imagine, from the quality of gen ed courses to the food in the dining halls. And, these data can be merged with academic records.

I once asked an Institutional Research guru (back when I was chancellor at University of Wisconsin-Green Bay) to find for me, the NSSE variable, among the several hundred available, that best discriminated (in a statistical sense) between the students of color we retained and the students of color we did not retain. The answer: a scale labeled, "The Faculty Care about Me as an Individual." Those students of color who felt that way stayed; those that did not so feel, left. And, the caring was not touchy-feely stuff. The items comprising the scale were things like: "Faculty stay after class to answer my questions."

Count this on WWU’s asset side, for our faculty and staff care deeply about enabling the success of our students.

And, that is why, when I do find myself staring at the ceiling at 3:00 in the morning, I am optimistic. Because I know you. Because I know of your commitment to our students and our mission as a public university. And, to changing lives.

Once the power of you who are Western is fully engaged, success is assured.

The demographic change is here. We all need to be equally up to speed on this.

Join me in helping to make it so!

And, with some urgency, for the changes required of us will come sooner rather than later. Change at any university, particularly cultural change, requires time, patience, collegial support, trust in each other, and significant effort.

This being Western, we want to be leading, not following; steering rather than being towed along. Or worse, towed under.

And, finally, what about those concerns I heard from folks who reacted to my original comment; those who feared we are going to be keeping out “qualified whites.” Well, whites are being kept out today. By consequences of class and by decades of state policy.

It is as much about class as it is about race. Washington has chosen to support one of the very smallest pipelines to baccalaureate education in the United States (48th out of 50 last I checked). For decades Washington’s policy has been to educate our sons and daughters just well enough to go to work for those who come from out-of-state to take the better paying jobs.

This we must change, for our state’s wealth is best measured by the developed talent of its people. All its people, whatever their race or ethnicity. And, as we reach into those diverse, lower socioeconomic “Title I” schools to raise aspirations and improve preparation to succeed in the modern world, fact is that a majority of the young people whose lives we are touching are white.

We need to keep the discussions going. And with wide understanding of the choices and the changes we face, Western's full engagement will then follow.

We will be living our vision of applying our many strengths to meet the critical needs of Washington. We will be ever more proud to be Western.
http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.

 
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Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?

 
I don't think you understand. I'm sure johnjohn understands there's bigotry in the world. He's less concerned with pointing it out but maybe probing at the underlying reasons it still exists in 2014. Is it unintentional? Do statistics show it's going away? Is it getting more extreme in smaller sectors?

I personally think it's a non-issue. People of similar race naturally feel more comfortable around each other. That's not being racist, that's pack mentality. Furthermore, more useful would be acceptance %. If this school was REJECTING more black students than the average University, I'd feel you were onto something. However actual acceptance rates seem invalid. It may just be a school that demographic doesn't prefer to attend.

Em

 
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Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Of course you didn't read this.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.

 
I don't think you understand. I'm sure johnjohn understands there's bigotry in the world. He's less concerned with pointing it out but maybe probing at the underlying reasons it still exists in 2014. Is it unintentional? Do statistics show it's going away? Is it getting more extreme in smaller sectors?

I personally think it's a non-issue. People of similar race naturally feel more comfortable around each other. That's not being racist, that's pack mentality. Furthermore, more useful would be acceptance %. If this school was REJECTING more black students than the average University, I'd feel you were onto something. However actual acceptance rates seem invalid. It may just be a school that demographic doesn't prefer to attend.

Em
At least johnjohn hasn't threatened to kill himself yet.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
My guess is the latter.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.
No, this is on you. You are the one who has to point this post out. Stop trying to evade your thread. Of else, GTFO of it and let the adults take it over.

 
I don't think you understand. I'm sure johnjohn understands there's bigotry in the world. He's less concerned with pointing it out but maybe probing at the underlying reasons it still exists in 2014. Is it unintentional? Do statistics show it's going away? Is it getting more extreme in smaller sectors?

I personally think it's a non-issue. People of similar race naturally feel more comfortable around each other. That's not being racist, that's pack mentality. Furthermore, more useful would be acceptance %. If this school was REJECTING more black students than the average University, I'd feel you were onto something. However actual acceptance rates seem invalid. It may just be a school that demographic doesn't prefer to attend.

Em
At least johnjohn hasn't threatened to kill himself yet.
I assure you, continued comments like this will get you in trouble.

 
I don't think you understand. I'm sure johnjohn understands there's bigotry in the world. He's less concerned with pointing it out but maybe probing at the underlying reasons it still exists in 2014. Is it unintentional? Do statistics show it's going away? Is it getting more extreme in smaller sectors?

I personally think it's a non-issue. People of similar race naturally feel more comfortable around each other. That's not being racist, that's pack mentality. Furthermore, more useful would be acceptance %. If this school was REJECTING more black students than the average University, I'd feel you were onto something. However actual acceptance rates seem invalid. It may just be a school that demographic doesn't prefer to attend.

Em
At least johnjohn hasn't threatened to kill himself yet.
I assure you, continued comments like this will get you in trouble.
We didn't forget what you tried to pull here.

ETA: or are you saying you are going to threaten that once again?

 
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According to all the info I posted (that the Mods pulled down), nobody is bullying you here.

Of course, I can't post anything about cyber bullying I guess to help you with that.
Dear Drummer,

It is our initiative at FBG to promote a non-hostile environment conducive to quality and fun discussion. Sometimes sensitive topics arise that must be treated with upmost care and respect to our members. Remember, we are trying to promote fun and legitimate discussion. Think of this as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

It appears you are having issues with a specific poster as you've even mentioned him by name in another thread. In life, we are not always going to get along with everyone and the arguments we have with each other only serve as distractions for others. Please minimize your interactions with posters that make you upset.

Thanks old sport,

Em
Um, old sport, perhaps I am confusing you with someone else, but aren't you the same guy who threatened suicide unless the mods locked a thread that had people saying things that you didn't like? How was that promoting a "fun and legitimate discussion" ? Please explain. TIA,
Em - still awaiting your response on this.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.
No, this is on you. You are the one who has to point this post out. Stop trying to evade your thread. Of else, GTFO of it and let the adults take it over.
I am the one who has to point this post out? Lol, what ?

 
According to all the info I posted (that the Mods pulled down), nobody is bullying you here.

Of course, I can't post anything about cyber bullying I guess to help you with that.
Dear Drummer,

It is our initiative at FBG to promote a non-hostile environment conducive to quality and fun discussion. Sometimes sensitive topics arise that must be treated with upmost care and respect to our members. Remember, we are trying to promote fun and legitimate discussion. Think of this as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

It appears you are having issues with a specific poster as you've even mentioned him by name in another thread. In life, we are not always going to get along with everyone and the arguments we have with each other only serve as distractions for others. Please minimize your interactions with posters that make you upset.

Thanks old sport,

Em
Um, old sport, perhaps I am confusing you with someone else, but aren't you the same guy who threatened suicide unless the mods locked a thread that had people saying things that you didn't like? How was that promoting a "fun and legitimate discussion" ? Please explain. TIA,
Em - still awaiting your response on this.
He's threatening once again. What the threat is I dunno.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.
No, this is on you. You are the one who has to point this post out. Stop trying to evade your thread. Of else, GTFO of it and let the adults take it over.
I am the one who has to point this post out? Lol, what ?
You're done here.

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.
No, this is on you. You are the one who has to point this post out. Stop trying to evade your thread. Of else, GTFO of it and let the adults take it over.
I am the one who has to point this post out? Lol, what ?
You're done here.
anyways

 
Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum. Be it as it may, there's a block button right next to my username. If you feel that repelled by me, feel free to completely erase me from your online communications.

Em

 
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So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.

Surely a guy that didn't make a racist statement wouldn't need 30 paragraphs to explain why it wasn't racist ? Show me one or two paragraphs from that article that does just that

 
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Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum. Be it as it may, there's a block button right next to my username. If you feel that repelled by me, feel free to completely erase me from your online communications.

Em
Hey Maurile, how does this have anything to do with the topic? TIA

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.
This is your thread. You can bag out of it anytime ya know.
its okay that you can't
This is horrid trolling 101. Once you get bagged dude, you opt out. You should know this, but you have Em as your mentor.

 
According to all the info I posted (that the Mods pulled down), nobody is bullying you here.

Of course, I can't post anything about cyber bullying I guess to help you with that.
Dear Drummer,

It is our initiative at FBG to promote a non-hostile environment conducive to quality and fun discussion. Sometimes sensitive topics arise that must be treated with upmost care and respect to our members. Remember, we are trying to promote fun and legitimate discussion. Think of this as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

It appears you are having issues with a specific poster as you've even mentioned him by name in another thread. In life, we are not always going to get along with everyone and the arguments we have with each other only serve as distractions for others. Please minimize your interactions with posters that make you upset.

Thanks old sport,

Em
Um, old sport, perhaps I am confusing you with someone else, but aren't you the same guy who threatened suicide unless the mods locked a thread that had people saying things that you didn't like? How was that promoting a "fun and legitimate discussion" ? Please explain. TIA,
Em - still awaiting your response on this.
Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum.

Em
No personal grudge - please be so kind as to answer the above bolded questions I posed that you keep avoiding.

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.
This is your thread. You can bag out of it anytime ya know.
its okay that you can't
This is horrid trolling 101. Once you get bagged dude, you opt out. You should know this, but you have Em as your mentor.
I am not trolling, I honestly think you posted that link without reading it and after I asked you to post information from it that you found to be particularly important you couldn't so rather than admitting that you are asking me to do your job for you.

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.
This is your thread. You can bag out of it anytime ya know.
its okay that you can't
This is horrid trolling 101. Once you get bagged dude, you opt out. You should know this, but you have Em as your mentor.
I am not trolling, I honestly think you posted that link without reading it and after I asked you to post information from it that you found to be particularly important you couldn't so rather than admitting that you are asking me to do your job for you.
What you don't realize is that one post called you out. Now you're avoiding answering to it.

Man up, or GTFO. That's how it works here.

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.
This is your thread. You can bag out of it anytime ya know.
its okay that you can't
This is horrid trolling 101. Once you get bagged dude, you opt out. You should know this, but you have Em as your mentor.
I am not trolling, I honestly think you posted that link without reading it and after I asked you to post information from it that you found to be particularly important you couldn't so rather than admitting that you are asking me to do your job for you.
What you don't realize is that one post called you out. Now you're avoiding answering to it.

Man up, or GTFO. That's how it works here.
man up ? are you saying its bad being a female ? You really ought to read links before posting them so you don't get into embarrassing situations like this one

 
So have the Mods figured out the Em and johnjohn show yet? Because it's playing at another th:e:ater nearby.
still waiting on you to post parts of that novel you found to be particularly important.
This is your thread. You can bag out of it anytime ya know.
its okay that you can't
This is horrid trolling 101. Once you get bagged dude, you opt out. You should know this, but you have Em as your mentor.
I am not trolling, I honestly think you posted that link without reading it and after I asked you to post information from it that you found to be particularly important you couldn't so rather than admitting that you are asking me to do your job for you.
What you don't realize is that one post called you out. Now you're avoiding answering to it.

Man up, or GTFO. That's how it works here.
man up ? are you saying its bad being a female ? You really ought to read links before posting them so you don't get into embarrassing situations like this one
How many posts now have you avoided this?

 
According to all the info I posted (that the Mods pulled down), nobody is bullying you here.

Of course, I can't post anything about cyber bullying I guess to help you with that.
Dear Drummer,

It is our initiative at FBG to promote a non-hostile environment conducive to quality and fun discussion. Sometimes sensitive topics arise that must be treated with upmost care and respect to our members. Remember, we are trying to promote fun and legitimate discussion. Think of this as the mantra when posting:

"Are people going to enjoy what I've written? Or am I just creating an argument and derailing the topic?"

It appears you are having issues with a specific poster as you've even mentioned him by name in another thread. In life, we are not always going to get along with everyone and the arguments we have with each other only serve as distractions for others. Please minimize your interactions with posters that make you upset.

Thanks old sport,

Em
Um, old sport, perhaps I am confusing you with someone else, but aren't you the same guy who threatened suicide unless the mods locked a thread that had people saying things that you didn't like? How was that promoting a "fun and legitimate discussion" ? Please explain. TIA,
Yeah, and along with johnjohn here crying bullying, we have two crying victimization here.
I am not crying bully, but when I post a point and someone doesn't respond to it logically, but with mockery I will sometimes call them out on being a bully. How is that crying?
You need to find another word besides bully to express your dislike of how people respond to your posts....

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively impose domination over others

 
Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum. Be it as it may, there's a block button right next to my username. If you feel that repelled by me, feel free to completely erase me from your online communications.

Em
Hey Maurile, how does this have anything to do with the topic? TIA
It's good advice.

You and squistion should take a break from posting in this thread.

I hate giving out suspensions, but you're making being a moderator a complete pain.

 
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here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?

 
Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum. Be it as it may, there's a block button right next to my username. If you feel that repelled by me, feel free to completely erase me from your online communications.

Em
Hey Maurile, how does this have anything to do with the topic? TIA
It's good advice.

You and squisition should take a break from posting in this thread.

I hate giving out suspensions, but you're making being a moderator a complete pain.
I think it's time for this thread to now be locked. It's apparent that the OP doesn't want to address the President of WWU from Shepard's own words.

We're not the problem here. The problem is you can't see the trolling going on. I get suspended, and this still goes on. It don't matter to me. This isn't a quality thread. At least I hold my integrity.

 
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I think it's time for this thread to now be locked.
Don't open it. Don't read it. And please don't post in it.

I would very much like to completely ignore this thread. But I can't do that as long as people keep reporting your posts in it.

Please ignore this thread so that I can, too. TIA.

 
Guys, as convenient and fun as it may be to you. We cannot have personal grudges overflowing into other threads such as these. It disrupts the flow of the forum. Be it as it may, there's a block button right next to my username. If you feel that repelled by me, feel free to completely erase me from your online communications.

Em
Hey Maurile, how does this have anything to do with the topic? TIA
It's good advice.

You and squistion should take a break from posting in this thread.

I hate giving out suspensions, but you're making being a moderator a complete pain.
OK - fine - per your suggestion I'll take a break.

 
I think it's time for this thread to now be locked.
Don't open it. Don't read it. And please don't post in it.

I would very much like to completely ignore this thread. But I can't do that as long as people keep reporting your posts in it.

Please ignore this thread so that I can, too. TIA.
Ok I will. Just ignore the dumb reports made from the OP and Em, and then assess what happened in this thread. Because it ain't me who is tossing "likes" amongst each other in the tag team.

 
here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?
"some historically black institutions are reaching out to Latino students to increase enrollments that have gone down because of African-Americans’ increased attendance at majority institutions."

 
Oh BTW, let's do this thread more by like say, post more words by Bruce Shepard, shall we?

http://www.wwu.edu/president/blog/posts/24.shtml

Is this too much to read? Or are we just relegated to the OP's link and assertions here? Along with the divine new FFA Ombudsman in Em?

Maybe I should go back and post more about cyber bullying. That seemed to get some legs here.
Why don't you post some parts of that novel that you found to be particularly important for this thread?
Though lengthy, it's a good read and worth the time. Unless you'd prefer to debate soundbytes out of context.
You both are assuming I didn't read it. I did. I am curious to what parts drummer found to be important.
I can't speak for Drummer, but I found the budgetary discussion to be particularly interesting. I hadn't thought of this issue from that perspective. Also, there is this discussion regarding diversity benefitting the campus population as a whole:

First is the compelling research linking academic quality to diversity. Compelling enough to persuade the majority of a mostly conservative Supreme Court in Grutter v. Bollinger and Gratz v. Bollinger that race may be used as a factor in the admissions process. Not to benefit diverse applicants; but to benefit the quality of the education available to all admitted. As a WWU colleague recently put it, “there is no quality higher education experience without diversity.”Then, of course, there is our obligation to prepare our students to effectively and collaboratively work – on the job, in their communities – in a state and a nation soon to be majority minority. Our classrooms must be test beds, even cauldrons, where those abilities are learned, practiced, celebrated. But that cannot be if the classrooms are unreflective of the world our students will be entering.

Do note one critical point: these contributions to the quality of our learning environment do not automatically happen simply as a result of numbers, as a consequence of there being diversity. We will need to invest ourselves in studying the research and learning the best practices whereby statistical diversity becomes enhanced academic preparation for all students.

So, we must thoughtfully, strategically prepare for a future where we embrace a coming college age population that, as I have already pointed out, will be majority minority.
 
here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?
"some historically black institutions are reaching out to Latino students to increase enrollments that have gone down because of African-Americans’ increased attendance at majority institutions."
Right. Some are increasing diversity for budgetary reasons. Others advocate increased diversity as a goal in and of itself. It's right there in the article and my quotes. I don't recall these folks being raked over the coals for their comments in the press. Do you?

 
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here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?
"some historically black institutions are reaching out to Latino students to increase enrollments that have gone down because of African-Americans’ increased attendance at majority institutions."
Right. Some are increasing diversity for budgetary reasons. Others advocate increased diversity as a goal in and of itself. It's right there in the article and my quotes. I don't recall these folks being raked over the coals for their comments in the press. Do you?
"The numbers are clear. African-Americans have options, and most are choosing to attend majority institutions. If HBCU’s are to survive and thrive in the 21st century, they must fully embrace others."

 
here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?
"some historically black institutions are reaching out to Latino students to increase enrollments that have gone down because of African-Americans’ increased attendance at majority institutions."
Right. Some are increasing diversity for budgetary reasons. Others advocate increased diversity as a goal in and of itself. It's right there in the article and my quotes. I don't recall these folks being raked over the coals for their comments in the press. Do you?
"The numbers are clear. African-Americans have options, and most are choosing to attend majority institutions. If HBCU’s are to survive and thrive in the 21st century, they must fully embrace others."
That is precisely the argument made by the WWU president if you'd read his 30-paragraph novel, namely that diversity (1) is necessary for the health and fiscal soundness of the institution and (2) is a worthy goal in and of itself because it improves the academic experience. The substantive points are essentially identical. So again, do you recall these folks advocating for increased non-black enrollment at HBCUs being pilloried in the media? Yes or no?

 
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Ladies, ladies... I think any potential for this thread has been gone for quite some time. Let's all go talk about some football.
Despite my better judgment, I'm attempting to have a rational and reasoned debate. But I have to admit, the chess-pigeon description does appear to be somewhat apt.

 
here is an interesting article: Historically Black Colleges and Universities Must Embrace Diversity

The article discusses the debate over whether HBCUs should continue to embrace efforts to increase racial diversity among its student population. Some key excerpts regarding the pro-diversity side:

Today black colleges have many white administrators, staff, faculty, and students. Unlike majority institutions, HBCU’s do not have a legacy of exclusion and discrimination. They have always been open to enrolling and hiring whites, and in fact, played a noble role during the 1950s when they were a safe haven for Jewish professors fired from majority institutions because of trumped-up charges of Communism.The increased diversity at HBCU’s is welcome by many at the colleges. Some presidents are speaking out publicly about increasing diversity. For example, M. Christopher Brown at Alcorn State recently told ESPN that as a public university, Alcorn has an obligation to all citizens of the state. He also noted that that “Alcorn used to be a great black school, now it’s just a great university.” Some alumni of black colleges applaud Brown, noting that the nation is changing and as such HBCU’s need to actively embrace diversity.
Other advocates think that adding diversity only strengthens the institutions; HBCU’s can maintain their histories and traditions just as majority institutions that diversify do. One alumnus I talked with vehemently stated, “You can increase diversity and still have educating black students as your primary mission.” Still others think that it is advantageous for HBCU’s to enroll whites, Latinos, and Asians because it exposes these students to black culture and provides opportunities for learning and mutual respect.
There are many benefits to the growing diversity at HBCU’s. First, diversity of all kinds makes an institution stronger. Second, based on the experiences of nonblack students that have attended black colleges, more and more students will have an appreciation for and knowledge of black culture—a benefit to everyone in our nation and our youth. And lastly, alumni from diverse cultures will give back and share their resources with HBCU’s, making them stronger over all.
To summarize, university faculty and administrators are advocating reducing the numbers of African-American students at HBCUs in order to increase diversity among the student population. These folks have not been pilloried in the media as you assured us would be the case if the situations were reversed and people were calling for reduced representation of AA students. Does this meet the criteria of your challenge, or will you insist on drawing some wafer-thin distinction?
"some historically black institutions are reaching out to Latino students to increase enrollments that have gone down because of African-Americans’ increased attendance at majority institutions."
Right. Some are increasing diversity for budgetary reasons. Others advocate increased diversity as a goal in and of itself. It's right there in the article and my quotes. I don't recall these folks being raked over the coals for their comments in the press. Do you?
"The numbers are clear. African-Americans have options, and most are choosing to attend majority institutions. If HBCU’s are to survive and thrive in the 21st century, they must fully embrace others."
That is precisely the argument made by the WWU president if you'd read his 30-paragraph novel, namely that diversity (1) is necessary for the health and fiscal soundness of the institution and (2) is a worthy goal in and of itself because it improves the cadmic experience. The substantive points are essentially identical. So again, do you recall these folks advocating for increased non-black enrollment at HBCUs being pilloried in the media? Yes or no?
less white people want to go to a white universities because they have options at other universities so they need to accept promote more diversity to survive ? wait, what ? because that would be the same argument and that isn't what was said by the WWF president(guy is a clown)

 
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