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Cleavage Connoisseur
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I think he will be very valuable come playoff time when the Bears have the division & home field advantage locked up
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Especially if you have Jones. I think Cedric's worth the handcuff - and I don't typically like handcuffing.I think he will be very valuable come playoff time when the Bears have the division & home field advantage locked up
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
I'm not a huge fan of Benson and his side show shenanigans, but I wouldn't trade him at all.
While Thomas Jones is still the starter, he's among the leagues worst in yards per carry. At any given time during the second half of the season Benson could start toting the rock more.
With SF and then Miami - Thomas Jones had best get things back on track!
While Thomas Jones is still the starter, he's among the leagues worst in yards per carry. At any given time during the second half of the season Benson could start toting the rock more.
With SF and then Miami - Thomas Jones had best get things back on track!
3nOut
Footballguy
I agree. I am looking to move Rhodes for Benson to back up Jones in case anything happens to him past our trade deadline.Especially if you have Jones. I think Cedric's worth the handcuff - and I don't typically like handcuffing.I think he will be very valuable come playoff time when the Bears have the division & home field advantage locked up
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
As a TJ and Benson owner, I passed by a trade offer of Brees straight up for Benson. One, I'm relying on TJ as my RB2 and like the insurance plan. Two, Brees has a horrendous schedule coming up and only 2-3 decent starts the rest of the way, matchup-wise.
I don't plan to start Benson, but know that if something happens to either TJ or Benson the other will be money and could be a big fantasy playoffs factor.
I don't plan to start Benson, but know that if something happens to either TJ or Benson the other will be money and could be a big fantasy playoffs factor.
I have him in two redrafts. I have been working to either get TJ to me or Benson to the TJ owner without much luck.
Since I wouldn't get anyone for him that I would be starting now anyway, I have no problem just keeping him on my bench. I figure that I am not losing much and, if something were to happen to TJ, I have got an instant, legitimate starting RB to trade or insert into my lineup.
Since I wouldn't get anyone for him that I would be starting now anyway, I have no problem just keeping him on my bench. I figure that I am not losing much and, if something were to happen to TJ, I have got an instant, legitimate starting RB to trade or insert into my lineup.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
11-2410-25DNP11-3714-481-4is that the game log of someone who should be getting any lion's share of the work? NopeThats why he is worth nothing in a redraft
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
I've never been on the Benson bandwagon, but GMAB - the guy IS worth something since he's a TJ injury away from being a solid starter on a solid offense with a fantastic schedule.He's worth as much as almost any other backup RB out there (allowing for Michael Turner and 1-2 others.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I tend to think there are at least a half dozen other backups I would rather have then Benson (Turner, M Bell, Jacobs, Morris, Norwood, Drew, Williams, Betts, etc).Having Benson as a handcuff, IMO, will not get you far anyhow. T Jones is clearly the superior player at this point, and even he isn't setting the world on fire.
Otis
Footballguy
GREAT post. Super useful.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
3.7 yards per carry, not fantastic, but not even close to being among the worst in the league.His avg is the same as LT, Jordan and Ahman Green.
It is better than Lewis (3.6), Rhodes (3.5), LJ (3.4), Droughns (3.3). And, of you go even further down the list, you find the man who you are proposing to take over for Jones is the second half because of Jones less than stellar ypc. Cedric Benson is averaging 3.1 ypc. Now that is amongst the leagues worst.
You Benson folk are amongst the stubborness fantasy football owners I have ever encountered. I would rather deal with the big heads of the underperformng Chad Johsnon owners and their outrageous offers than try and convince y'all of the suck, known as Cedric Benson.
He aint getting the job folks
Still half a yard better than Cedric Benson's average.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
So he looked good when the defense wasn't expecting the run? Wow, what a rinigng endorsement that is. But to go even further, how did T Jones look in that game? Oh yea, he ran for 100+ that game and averaged 5 yards a carry...compared to Benson's sub 4 yards per carry.He is a decent handcuff, noithing more. Jones is not going to get benched. Their team is in first place, and more impirtantly he is outperforming Mr 4th pick in the draft Benson. Could Jones get injured? Of course, just like any other back. If you have the roster space, he is worth holding on to. I would prefer to handcuff other backs who have a better chance at succeeding if the starter goes down (Bell, Jacobs, Turner, etc)Where is all the love for Benson coming from? Do y'all just really dislike Thomas Jones, or maybe you are big Texas alumni. I doubt you are Bear's fans, cause you wouldnt be calling for change when your team is undefeated. Do you feel that a top 10 pick in the draft should play regardless of how well he or his competition performs?Seriously, I am curious, what is it with Cedric Benson that makes people toss their common sense out the door?
I bought the Mike Bell hype going into the season. There's no way I'd rank him ahead of Benson at this point.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Well, considering Denver is rushing for almost 50 more yards per game than Chicago., and Mike Bell is averaging 4.1 ypc compared to Benson's 3.1. Mike Bell has performed in his limited action, Cedric Benson has not.If I had both those RBs (I did at one point) I would choose to handcuff Tatum and keep Mike Bell at the expense of Benson.Chicago's running game is not that good. Heck, Thomas Jones isn't even that good. Benson is only worth a spot if A) you own T Jones and B)you can afford to, in all likelihood, waste a roster spot all year.
I couldn't disagree more. Mike Bell has lost his opportunity. Mike Bell has 5 carries in teh last 3 weeks, 1 in the last 2. Benson has 26, though only 1 Monday night.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Are you a disgruntled TJ owner in a dynasty league who can't pry Benson from another owner?
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Speaking of
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I was a T Jones owner. I never had Benson. I inquired and his perceived value was ridiculous.I own Bell, I got M Bell for pennies.Win/Win for me. I think if pressed, M Bell would put up better numbers than Benson....this year.Just because Benson has gottem carries in the past few games in blowouts, does not make him more valuable. Unless your team is so weak that you need to start a 2nd string RB.I never plan on starting Benson or M Bell. If I have to for any extended period of time, I think my fantasy season is shot.However, if I had to chose, I would take M Bell over Benson every day of the week. And I feel anyone who would take Benson is still living off his #4 pick in the country hype.It's pretty easy calculus.Denvers running offense is much greater than Chicagos running offense.In time played, M Bell has outpeformed C Benson.It seems that simple to me.Caveat....I am speaking of redrafts leagues!
you obviously have some kind of infatuation with mike bell. career statsbell 5 g, 26 carries, 141 yards, 4.1 YPC, 1 TDbenson 14 g, 114 carries, 420 yards, 3.7 YPC, 2 TDs.bell has significantly fewer carries and a higher YPC. so yes, based on that, he's a better player. oh, benson was a first-round pick and bell was, what, a free agent? come on.yes, denver's run game is better than chicago's but compare tatum bell to thomas jones and tatum bell has gotta come out on top. lovie gave benson the starting job this summer. he's going to give it to him again next summer. in a redraft league, neither one has value.in a keeper league, it's far and away benson.
I have no illusions about Benson taking the job on his own merits. Just that injuries happen and the Chicago situation seems to be a good one for him: Strong team, some bad weather coming, no other competition. I do not consider it a wasted roster spot because who else is possible to have as my #4 or 5 that has major potential? Even if I think he will do NOTHING if handed the starting job, others in my leagues will be willing to trade for him (I hope).
dawgtrails
Footballguy
And then Lovie took it away from him. Shanny also gave M Bell the starting job this summer...how did that work out? At least M Bell saw significant carries the first couple weeks, can't say that about Benson.I have no infatuation with M Bell. I have almost dropped him a few times. I probably could drop him and pick him up the next week. His value is that low. Benson value for some strannge reason is much higher than M Bells. In every league I am in, Benson is rostered, and in only one league is M Bell rostered (by me).
These are all redrafts.
If T Jones and Tatum both got hurt, and if I was a gambling man, I would bet on M Bell to put up better numbers. Why?
1. in a small sample he has put up better numbers.
2. he would be running behind the denver o-line
I think both players have value. In a keeper, Benson has far greater value on name recognition and draft position alone. He also is a good runner...not sure how good, but he will get a shot. In a redraft, they both have minimal value as handcuffs. When I choose what backs to handcuff, I dont simply grab any and all backups. And I dont try and attain ones that are expensive (Benson owner wont even trade him for a wr3). I look at how has the guy played, when given the opportunity, no matter how small. How good is the rushing offense he is on, how high is the injury risk of the starter, and ...and I forgot the last thing I was gonna write (i need some coffee).
Anyway...this all started because every week there is a "is Benson gonna share the load this week" thread.
At this point, we could replace Bensons name with probably 12 other backups and the premise would be just as flawed. He has as much chance at taking over this year as 1/2 the leagues backups. And the chances aint good.
Happy Sunday all
Irish
Footballguy
If Benson sucks so bad and isn't worth a roster spot, then why did you try and trade for him? Oh you own Mike Bell so that is why he has more value than Benson.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I owned T Jones and tried to get him as a handcuff. The price was outrageous. I looked around to see what other handcuffs I could get for cheaper. I then traded T Jones in a package for Tatum, and got M bell very cheaply from another owner.Handcuffs should not be expensive. I found the price for Benson far outweighed his value, which I see as very minimal. I would not roster Benson unless I owned T Jones. Period. Many owners have him rostered hoping he will take over the starting gig. I find that to be a wasted roster space.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
So, since you couldn't get him (too expensive), you have to come here and post a thread of how bad he is. I guess it's supposed to make you feel better about not acquiring Benson.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
I came to this thread because each and every week people state that Benson will be starting, or sharing carries this week. Each and every week T Jones starts, and gets by far most of the carries. Each and every week Benson gets in there, he is less than spectacular.Yet, people still hold on to him and think he is the next coming.
There was another thread around here that talked about actual value and perceived value. Benson probably has the largest differential between the two. His actual value is really low. He is a backup on a team that is not running the ball all that fantastic. He is the backup on a team that is undefeated and is very unlikely to make any drastic changes. I'll say it again, he is the backup.
But his perceived value is much, much higher. Of handcuffs, I think M Turner is the only guy that will cost you more to acquire.
If I had him on my team, I would be content with having him. However I would probably offer him around the league. Owners who dont even have T Jones will give up something for him. I find that ludicrous. Go look at leagues rosters. How often do you see backup RBs rostered by an owner who does not have the starting RB. Not often, unless there are large rosters.
I dont mean to make this in to a Cedric Benson sucks thread. I just find that he is way too expensive to be rostered. Like I said, I would only keep him if I had T Jones. Otherwise, his perceived valuie is great enough where you could get back better actual value in a trade.
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Footballguy
I think he will be very valuable come playoff time when the Bears have the division & home field advantage locked up
Benson is going to have 2-3 monster games during the fantasy playoffs, which will completely skew his season stats and subsequently burn everyone who reaches for him in 2007 fantasy drafts.
NatronIsMean
Footballguy
For the record, I'm a Thomas Jones owner and I'm trading Benson for Brees in a two player keeper league. With Bledsoe down, all I have at QB are Alex Smith and Gradkowski. We'll see how it pans out...
Honestly, I think B. Jacobs should be the handcuff that costs the most. He has both star status if Tiki were to get hurt and he gets all the goalline opps.
