J. Charles (1 Viewer)

[eaglezzz]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.

That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

 

[meatwad1]

As the games move on I think they will use him more. I am a Charles owner and I have been slightly frustrated, however what they were doing has been working and KC has arguably exceeded expectations until last week. If a team has two good rbs, it is not a bad idea to hedge your bets and kep them both fresh until the end of the season. I am sure he will be seeing alot more action as things tighten up in the next few weeks.

 

[MG345]

That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

No, it isn't.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

6 yards a carry and 12 yards a reception.

Hasn't been done by a back with at least 100 carries since Mercury Morris in 1973 - and he only had four receptions.

 

[two_dollars]

Kinda wish I had just picked up Kitna instead of trading Charles for Big Ben in a panic after Romo went down.

 

[meatwad1]

Kinda wish I had just picked up Kitna instead of trading Charles for Big Ben in a panic after Romo went down.

Ouch.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Who's to say his production would remain the same if he got a heavier workload?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Who's to say his production would remain the same if he got a heavier workload?

He did ok last year.

 

[shortbow]

Lol, new thread every week.We can only speculate seeing is we aren't managing the chiefs. But the way it has looked all year is, why use up your best running back, when you have a more experienced, arguably as good back in Thomas Jones. Can almost guarantee that realistically the Chiefs didnt say at any point during the offseason 'man if we run the 50/50-60/40 to favor Charles we will win our division', its been a complete fluke they are doing so well this year to begin with. Hes getting his carries and increasing his workload isnt gonna make his numbers outside of FF do anything but get more marginalized.Also to compare him to backs who have been proven to be much better than he is, is silly. Hes not the next Peterson/Johnson.Take into consideration the 18 week schedule next year, he will have another back to split carries with whether its Jones remains to be seen but I wouldnt expect much to change next year either.

Who's to say his production would remain the same if he got a heavier workload?

He did ok last year.

His only good games last year were 2nd half of the year against garbage defenses, just something to think about.

 

[cvnpoka]

when you have a more experienced,

ok i guess experience is worth something

arguably as good back in Thomas Jones

lol no

 

[cvnpoka]

His only good games last year were 2nd half of the year against garbage defenses, just something to think about.

why do you make me look this crap up?heres his schedule last yrat oakpittat sddenbuffcleveat cinat denits not his fault he played all cupcakes except pitt (ineffective) and sd (who he played very well against with)

 

[shortbow]

His only good games last year were 2nd half of the year against garbage defenses, just something to think about.

why do you make me look this crap up?heres his schedule last yrat oakpittat sddenbuffcleveat cinat denits not his fault he played all cupcakes except pitt (ineffective) and sd (who he played very well against with)

Just playing devils advocate bro.Its not his fault, but to say he did ok last year is misleading he only had three, maybe four good games I cant remember out of that schedule, I was just pointing it out.I realize everyone has an opinion but people say T. Jones was only successful for 3 years in New York cause the Jets had a great O-Line and here he is in KC performing almost as well splitting carries 50/50.

 

[cvnpoka]

but to say he did ok last year is misleading

i agree its misleading. bc he did phenomenal.

he only had three, maybe four good games

you must have an exceptionally high standard for "good"

I cant remember

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...arJa00/gamelog/hope this helps

 

[Gopher State]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

To bad it took him so long to get to 6.0 a carry. The team that drafted him in my big money league in the second round is 1-8-1. To late to help most teams. He can average 10+ yards a carry going forward, but's most probility to late for most teams.

 

[texansfan80]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

To bad it took him so long to get to 6.0 a carry. The team that drafted him in my big money league in the second round is 1-8-1. To late to help most teams. He can average 10+ yards a carry going forward, but's most probility to late for most teams.

One player doesn't make or break a team. Maybe his other draft choices weren't that solid. JC's been averaging close to 6 a carry the whole season. He's been MONEY in my PPR league.

 

[BobbyLayne]

6 yards a carry and 12 yards a reception.Hasn't been done by a back with at least 100 carries since Mercury Morris in 1973 - and he only had four receptions.

The 6.0 YPC or greater is rare enough. Since the merger, only five RBs have done it with at least 100 carries.

Mercury Morris 1973 MIA NFL 13 149 954 6.40 10 73.4Barry Sanders 1997 DET NFL 16 335 2053 6.13 11 128.3Hokie Gajan 1984 NOR NFL 14 102 615 6.03 5 43.9Ted McKnight 1978 KAN NFL 16 104 627 6.03 6 39.2O.J. Simpson 1973 BUF NFL 14 332 2003 6.03 12 143.1

BTW, Charles is currently at 5.98

 

[texansfan80]

No he's not.

Jamaal Charles, RB KC 127 760 6.0 yds/carry.

www.espn.com Check it out. Pretty cool site.

 

[texansfan80]

They added .02 to his yd/carry just for being Jamaal Charles. He's that good.

 

[shortbow]

but to say he did ok last year is misleading

i agree its misleading. bc he did phenomenal.

he only had three, maybe four good games

you must have an exceptionally high standard for "good"

I cant remember

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play...arJa00/gamelog/hope this helps

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

 

[massraider]

His only good games last year were 2nd half of the year against garbage defenses, just something to think about.

Those were the only games they gave him the ball. And this year, playing the same defenses as Thomas Jones, his numbers are the same: Great. When they give him the ball, he performs.

 

[KCC]

His only good games last year were 2nd half of the year against garbage defenses, just something to think about.

why do you make me look this crap up?heres his schedule last yrat oakpittat sddenbuffcleveat cinat denits not his fault he played all cupcakes except pitt (ineffective) and sd (who he played very well against with)

Just playing devils advocate bro.Its not his fault, but to say he did ok last year is misleading he only had three, maybe four good games I cant remember out of that schedule, I was just pointing it out.I realize everyone has an opinion but people say T. Jones was only successful for 3 years in New York cause the Jets had a great O-Line and here he is in KC performing almost as well splitting carries 50/50.

Every available piece of information we have regarding Charles - meaning last year's totals and this year's stats - tells the same story: he is a more explosive back than TJ that has averaged 6 or more ypc each year. This is in no way a knock on Jones. At this point in his career TJ is still a good RB, but Charles is a truly elite RB as evidenced by his ypc.

 

[Routilla]

Too bad the HC is an idiot. Charles should be getting no less than 20 touches a game.

 

[zamboni]

Too bad the HC is an idiot. Charles should be getting no less than 20 touches a game.

Haley is far from an idiot. The running game has been working fine all year before falling off a bit the past few weeks - that's not why they've lost the last two games.

 

[sho nuff]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

To bad it took him so long to get to 6.0 a carry. The team that drafted him in my big money league in the second round is 1-8-1. To late to help most teams. He can average 10+ yards a carry going forward, but's most probility to late for most teams.

Then they drafted poorly.Its not on Charles.

 

[NickyHatton]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

 

[KCC]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

For the quoted post:All RBs are human, very few are elite. Charles is both. Averaging 6.0 ypc for a game could easily be a fluke. Doing it for two seasons as Charles has makes him an elite back. If you don't agree, let me ask how many other RBs currently playing can claim to have done that?

 

[doowain]

Jamaal Charles has severely outperformed Thomas Jones in every facet this year. I understand that sometimes stats don't tell the whole story. If you watched the games you'd know that this is true. Charles has been even better than Jones than the statistics reveal.

To put things in perspective....on the short end of a timeshare Charles is still on pace for just under 2000 total yards. That is insane. At that pace, even at a 65/35 split in favor of Charles he would challenge Chris Johnson's total yards record. It's hard not to be salivating at that idea. We can only hope that things swing that way going forward.

 

[Warpig]

Sep 13 San Diego Won 21-14 - Division game. Could have gone either way. KC squeaks this out at home.

Sep 19 @Cleveland Won 16-14 - Barely beat a bad Cleveland team before they started rolling.

Sep 26 San Francisco Won 31-10 - Beat another bad team that has a horrible record playing in KC.

Week 4 BYE

Oct 10 @Indianapolis Lost 9-19 - Lost to a down Indy team.

Oct 17 @Houston Lost 31-35 - Let Houston come back to beat them (good teams don't let that happen).

Oct 24 Jacksonville Won 42-20 - Beat a pathetic Jacksonville team after letting them hang around way to long with a street FA at QB.

Oct 31 Buffalo Won 13-10 OT - Barely beat arguably the worst team in the NFL...IN OVERTIME!

Nov 7 @Oakland Lost 20-23 OT - Let another subpar team come from behind to beat them in overtime.

Nov 14 @Denver Lost 29-49 - GOT SPANKED by a bad Denver team.

"...They are who we thought they were!"

Todd Haley IS an idiot. You wanna tell me that Tony Gonzalez wouldn't be making the Chiefs better right now? Think how much better they would be with him in the middle and Bowe on the outside with McCluster/TJones/Charles on the field. Instead, they have Javier Arenas...a nickel back that is decent at kick returns. They already have a kick returner in McCluster. So I see Arenas as a wasted pick. That's just one small sample of his ignorance...and Pioli for that matter (see Matt Cassel...the $65 million dollar man!).

Haley is hesitant to use Charles because Charles is Herm's guy...not one of the current regimes. Haley is so arogant that he will continue to lose instead of allow a player to prove him wrong. Thomas Jones is getting the love because Haley hand picked him. Therefore Haley will keep pounding him in there so everyone can see his genius.

Charles is not only far more phenomenal, he's a tough SOB as well. And he's taken his role on the team like a champ and hasn't said one negative word about what's going on. Not to take anything away from TJones, but Charles is electric and can burn the defense at any given moment. You know what you're gonna get with TJones...3 yards and a cloud of dust.

If Haley is so worried about JC's workload, why draft McCluster? That guy is a runt...but he is also electric. So do they keep them off the field because they don't want them to get hurt because they're bodies aren't built for the rigors of the game? Ugh!

One can only hope that Haley gets over himself and starts putting the players that give them the best chance to win on the field. If they get hurt, you draft someone to take their place or go the FA route or trade. I'm tired of his (Haley's) excuses.

 

[shortbow]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

For the quoted post:All RBs are human, very few are elite. Charles is both. Averaging 6.0 ypc for a game could easily be a fluke. Doing it for two seasons as Charles has makes him an elite back. If you don't agree, let me ask how many other RBs currently playing can claim to have done that?

Only one that comes to mind in a similar situation is Jerome Harrison put up CJ2K numbers last 8 games last year (Similar to Charles) and Mangini refuses to give him a new contract.Im not knocking Charles at all, hes a great RB, he hasnt been given the chance to prove hes more than he is atm, but atm im not convinced he can be a premier back, his vision isnt great, he cant run up the middle I would love to see him get a shot to be an everydown back but it wont happen this year or next (which means it may never happen).

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

For the quoted post:All RBs are human, very few are elite. Charles is both. Averaging 6.0 ypc for a game could easily be a fluke. Doing it for two seasons as Charles has makes him an elite back. If you don't agree, let me ask how many other RBs currently playing can claim to have done that?

Only one that comes to mind in a similar situation is Jerome Harrison put up CJ2K numbers last 8 games last year (Similar to Charles) and Mangini refuses to give him a new contract.Im not knocking Charles at all, hes a great RB, he hasnt been given the chance to prove hes more than he is atm, but atm im not convinced he can be a premier back, his vision isnt great, he cant run up the middle I would love to see him get a shot to be an everydown back but it wont happen this year or next (which means it may never happen).

Harrison had one good game, the other big games were just a product of an enormous amount of attempts. He is like the anti-Charles.

 

[eaglezzz]

This is the week Charles explodes for 150+ rushing yards and 5 for 80 Receiving along with 2 TD's!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

For the quoted post:All RBs are human, very few are elite. Charles is both. Averaging 6.0 ypc for a game could easily be a fluke. Doing it for two seasons as Charles has makes him an elite back. If you don't agree, let me ask how many other RBs currently playing can claim to have done that?

Only one that comes to mind in a similar situation is Jerome Harrison put up CJ2K numbers last 8 games last year (Similar to Charles) and Mangini refuses to give him a new contract.Im not knocking Charles at all, hes a great RB, he hasnt been given the chance to prove hes more than he is atm, but atm im not convinced he can be a premier back, his vision isnt great, he cant run up the middle I would love to see him get a shot to be an everydown back but it wont happen this year or next (which means it may never happen).

Harrison had three "big" weeks. Two of which were the result of 30+ carries at less than four yards a pop.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I was wrong, I was thinking of his 4 big games, he had 6 where he had 100 yds, point remains, hes human, hes not elite, he plays in a terrible offense behind a veteran coming off a career year.

Oakland

Pittsburgh - 58 yd rushing 1yd rec TD

San Diego

Denver

Buffalo

Cleveland

Cincinnati

Denver

Dont forget he also took the opening kickoff in that PIT game 97 yards for a TD as well

For the quoted post:All RBs are human, very few are elite. Charles is both. Averaging 6.0 ypc for a game could easily be a fluke. Doing it for two seasons as Charles has makes him an elite back. If you don't agree, let me ask how many other RBs currently playing can claim to have done that?

Go one better; how many National Football League RBs have done that in back-to-back seasons since 1920?I'll even lower the threshold to 5.5 YPC, minimum 125 rushing attempts:

single seasons, from 1920 to 2010, played RB, requiring Rushing Att >= 125 and Yds/Rushing Att >= 5.5

Dan Towler 1951 RAM NFL 12 126 854 6.78 6 71.2

Dan Towler 1952 RAM NFL 12 156 894 5.73 10 74.5

Dan Towler 1953 RAM NFL 12 152 879 5.78 7 73.3

Jim Brown did it a three times but never in consecutive seasons; O.J. Simpson, Barry Sanders and a few others (Joe Perry, Paul Lowe) did it twice but not back-to-back. Three guys did it in a league called the All-American Football Conference (the birthplace of the Browns, Colts and 49ers).

Do you understand the significance of this? This league has been around for 90 years, and Jamaal Charles is may accomplish something that has only happened once before - and that was nearly 60 years ago.

I would be willing to call that elite.

 

[SWC]

you can be mad at him that Jamaal the Destroyer of Souls Charles isn't getting to play because of him but you have respect the wor ethick andlove of the game that Thomas the Can of Whoopass Jones brings every day and week and year.

 

[meatwad1]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

To bad it took him so long to get to 6.0 a carry. The team that drafted him in my big money league in the second round is 1-8-1. To late to help most teams. He can average 10+ yards a carry going forward, but's most probility to late for most teams.

It is hard to tell if you are serious....even if a person drafted him in the 2nd, how is he a bust? I am 8. - 2 in my money league with him in the 3rd. So far I am feeling ok with his production and very optimistic going forward. In ppr he is averaging about 14 points a game...there were many players who were drafted in his range that are putting up nothing.

 

[Sol D]

He is averaging 14.1 carries a game and 6.0 yards a carry. I know they have Jones as well in KC but Charles is a special player that if given the workload that a Gore/Johnson/Peterson get he would be #1 in all the RB categories. It's a wonder why KC is starting to fall apart not fully using Charles to his potential.That is like the Eagles taking Vick out of the lineup because they have 2 good QB's in Kolb and Vick, and trying to preserve Vick for future games.

To bad it took him so long to get to 6.0 a carry. The team that drafted him in my big money league in the second round is 1-8-1. To late to help most teams. He can average 10+ yards a carry going forward, but's most probility to late for most teams.

It is hard to tell if you are serious....even if a person drafted him in the 2nd, how is he a bust? I am 8. - 2 in my money league with him in the 3rd. So far I am feeling ok with his production and very optimistic going forward. In ppr he is averaging about 14 points a game...there were many players who were drafted in his range that are putting up nothing.

Agreed the team that is 1-8-1 has that record for many reasons, and Charles is not one of those reasons. I am 8-2, took Charles in the 3rd round. McFadden was a steal/luck in the 12 round giving me Gore, Charles and McFadden in my backfield/flex. Charles in my league this season:Wk 1 - 18.7Wk 2 - 8.6Wk 3 - 18.4Wk 5 - 13.1Wk 6 - 15.7Wk 7 - 13.1Wk 8 - 27.8Wk 9 - 15.0Wk 10 - 23.1That is pretty consistent output.

 

[cvnpoka]

ya but no explosive games that will win your week amirite

 

[massraider]

ya but no explosive games that will win your week amirite

Well, I think there's two different topics. Charles' fantasy value, and his talent. He might not give you the monster game, and it's frustrating, because you know he can, but that doesn't speak to his talent.From a football standpoint, I love Charles. And really, I am amazed more people aren't hip to his talent. I think there's two big reasons:1. Lot of people don't watch a lot of KC. You can't see every player on every team all the time. KC, even in a division battle, isn't a sexy team.2. Charles wasn't a Draft Day darling. I really think this is more of the reason. He wasn't on any sleeper lists, there was a host of negative everyone knew, and he was a track guy, which is easy to dismiss a guy with. It's easy to just take pre-draft scouting reports at face value. I mean, who really watches rookie backs on teams they don't see much to see if all the things they heard are true?But you watch him play, and he's the real deal. Instincts, he was definitely not given credit for this coming out of college. He makes tight, quick, decisive cuts. Really good in tight space, he's an underrated inside runner. And home run speed that few have.

 

[KCC]

ya but no explosive games that will win your week amirite

Well, I think there's two different topics. Charles' fantasy value, and his talent. He might not give you the monster game, and it's frustrating, because you know he can, but that doesn't speak to his talent.From a football standpoint, I love Charles. And really, I am amazed more people aren't hip to his talent. I think there's two big reasons:1. Lot of people don't watch a lot of KC. You can't see every player on every team all the time. KC, even in a division battle, isn't a sexy team.2. Charles wasn't a Draft Day darling. I really think this is more of the reason. He wasn't on any sleeper lists, there was a host of negative everyone knew, and he was a track guy, which is easy to dismiss a guy with. It's easy to just take pre-draft scouting reports at face value. I mean, who really watches rookie backs on teams they don't see much to see if all the things they heard are true?But you watch him play, and he's the real deal. Instincts, he was definitely not given credit for this coming out of college. He makes tight, quick, decisive cuts. Really good in tight space, he's an underrated inside runner. And home run speed that few have.

Very

 

[ponchsox]

ZERO touches in the first quarter LOL

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

ZERO touches in the first quarter LOL

I had him projected for 3 carries for 114 yards. Right on pace.

 

[ponchsox]

I guess Haley is blaming last week's loss on JC.

 

[emge]

are you kidding me???? wth is going on... i hate this coach

 

[ponchsox]

How does Battle get a GL carry ahead of JC?

 

[Chimp Magnet]

Saving Charles to pull Haley's ### outta the fire in overtime?

 

[hailskins81]

I think Haley has an allergy to giving Charles the ball within the 10 yard line, even though he was successful last year as the lead back.

 

[ponchsox]

This is not a good time for JC owners trying to make the playoffs.

 

[basher]

and Jones is almost running at 7ypc ... allso who would really expect JC to get the goal line looks? You guys seriously need to move on, they are winning so things aren't changing anytime soon. You might think it is "dumb" but it is working.

 

[ponchsox]

Finally a JC sighting!

 

[ponchsox]

Jones gets the TD ####!!