J-E-T-S RB situation (1 Viewer)

[rickyg]

Goodson, Ivory or Green? Not exactly the tri-fecta of talent there.

Why couldn't Powell beat them out as the tallest midget? Seems like Bloom and Waldman have been high on him for a couple years.

Powell "could" suddenly turn the corner and beat them out but I don't see it. The only one I think he might beat out is Green. Powell 3.7 ypc (123 rushes)

Green 3.4 ypc (138 rushes)

Goodson 4.5 ypc (160 rushes)

Ivory 5.1 ypc (256 rushes)

These ypc numbers aren't apples to apples. Totally different offenses and situations.

Agreed. They aren't apples to apples but when your talking a full yard to a yard and a half, that's a big difference regardless of offensive situation.

It's a completely useless and meaningless statistic when judging them all rt now at this moment. Powell is greatly improved from last season. His coaches and teammates see it and he is getting rewarded for it. Ivory has stunk it up thus far in preseason and has been his usual injury prone self.

Goodson is an intriguing back with a ton of oersonal baggage and a suspension. He moght be the aild card when he returns.

Plain and simple.

 

[ebsteelers]

whose using powell as a flex in week 1?

if his hands have been shyt out of the backfield, it makes it hard to play him at all, as they will be behind a lot and wont be able to run him, atleast if he can catch he would be useful

 

[SameSongNDance]

I just can't see how Powell retains the job. They brought in both Ivory and Goodson over Powell in the off-season and now that Goodson is suspended, they picked up Alex Green for at least the next few weeks. In my opinion, best case for Powell is he plays in a timeshare for the next 2-3 weeks while Ivory gets fully back from the injury, Goodson is suspended, and Green learns the offense. After that, I think he ends up as third or fourth on the depth chart with almost no value. And this is coming from a guy who owns Powell.

If Goodson does come back to the team - I could see Powell ending up the odd man out. Ivory is a better runner, Goodson is a better third down back and Green has a rare size speed combo that I'd like to see him harness into an effective RB.

Even as a Powell fan and owner, this is how I feel. Ivory and Goodson are the more talented backs but they both come with serious question marks. Ivory's injury history is so incredibly bleak, at times he makes DMC look durable. Goodson, with all his upside, has bounced between teams, never being able to put it anything together for a myriad of reasons (injury, ball security, off field issues and etc.).

Ultimately, none of these guys have yet to prove a thing in the league, which is why I still like Powell even if he isn't the "sexiest" pick of the bunch. He's healthy, has experience in the system and will get the job done. He may not be special but as someone pointed out, Greene was able to produce in this offense and he's the epitome of a plodder.

 

[yoadrian]

I could be completely wrong on this but I think he will be heavily involved this week (and maybe this week only). That could mean a good dose of running, some receiving and maybe even some passing or direct snaps. They have a really bleak QB situation, so I think other play makers will take up some slack. Heck we may even see Ivory and Powell in there on the same plays.. They could be easing Ivory in week 1. When Goodson comes back I just don't know how that will shake out but weeks 1-4 he could be a borderline starter IMO

 

[SameSongNDance]

Coach Rex Ryan says Bilal Powell "earned the right to start" Sunday's opener against the Bucs.
Ryan said Chris Ivory will get "substantial work." Ivory missed too muchtraining
camp and preseason action to get a firm grip on the starting job. However, as long as he stays healthy, his far superior talent should have no trouble uprooting Powell sooner rather than later. Expect Ivory to handle much of the early-down work this week, while Powell "starts" and works in on passing downs.

 

[Cenobite]

Coach Rex Ryan says Bilal Powell "earned the right to start" Sunday's opener against the Bucs.
Ryan said Chris Ivory will get "substantial work." Ivory missed too muchtraining
camp and preseason action to get a firm grip on the starting job. However, as long as he stays healthy, his far superior talent should have no trouble uprooting Powell sooner rather than later. Expect Ivory to handle much of the early-down work this week, while Powell "starts" and works in on passing downs.

I usually don't care what Roto comments are but this time I think they got it right.

 

[One]

Coach Rex Ryan says Bilal Powell "earned the right to start" Sunday's opener against the Bucs.

Ryan said Chris Ivory will get "substantial work." Ivory missed too much

trainingcamp and preseason action to get a firm grip on the starting job. However, as long as he stays healthy, his far superior talent should have no trouble uprooting Powell sooner rather than later. Expect Ivory to handle much of the early-down work this week, while Powell "starts" and works in on passing downs.

I usually don't care what Roto comments are but this time I think they got it right.

Rotoworld's problem is that they pick a side before training camp, then never back off it. For the rest of the season, it's the same spin.

 

[rockaction]

Ivory is living up to his billing as guy I'm most likely to make my first cut of the season when I need/want to pick someone up.

-QG

This worries me.

LOL I'm sure it does

Anyway as someone who lives in the area the wiseguy angle still seems to be that Ivory is the guy - or that it'll be a full blown committee. The carry breakdown in the first game will be the most telling thing - i.e. are they just trying to light a fire under Ivory by naming Powell starter.

I'm not convinced that Powell would be able to do anything more than get into a time-share.

-QG

I wasn't being saracastic, BTW. If everyone seems to be hating on Ivory, and people with 13,000 + posts seem to hate him, I'm worried that Ivory has somehow gone from shiny "new toy," as Rex called him, to Timeshare Tim over the course of the preseason. Of course, I still don't believe this, and I still think Ivory is the guy, but it is worrisome.

 

[Matt Bitonti]

Rotoworld's problem is that they pick a side before training camp, then never back off it. For the rest of the season, it's the same spin.

roto has it backward. powell will start and ivory will be the 3rd down back. He's got the better hands. Eventually Ivory will do everything and Goodson could be the 3rd down back.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Just because Powell is the started doesn't mean he will get significant touches. He may, but someone else could get more.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Ivory is living up to his billing as guy I'm most likely to make my first cut of the season when I need/want to pick someone up.

-QG

This worries me.

LOL I'm sure it does

Anyway as someone who lives in the area the wiseguy angle still seems to be that Ivory is the guy - or that it'll be a full blown committee. The carry breakdown in the first game will be the most telling thing - i.e. are they just trying to light a fire under Ivory by naming Powell starter.

I'm not convinced that Powell would be able to do anything more than get into a time-share.

-QG

I wasn't being saracastic, BTW. If everyone seems to be hating on Ivory, and people with 13,000 + posts seem to hate him, I'm worried that Ivory has somehow gone from shiny "new toy," as Rex called him, to Timeshare Tim over the course of the preseason. Of course, I still don't believe this, and I still think Ivory is the guy, but it is worrisome.

No worries - I kinda realized my post could be seen as content-free once I read it again. I just get the feeling it's looking a potential mess fantasy-wise, especially when Goodson gets back.

-QG

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Rotoworld's problem is that they pick a side before training camp, then never back off it. For the rest of the season, it's the same spin.

roto has it backward. powell will start and ivory will be the 3rd down back. He's got the better hands. Eventually Ivory will do everything and Goodson could be the 3rd down back.

Ivory has better hands?

The same Ivory with 3 career catches in 3 years in a pass happy offense?

 

[SameSongNDance]

Coach Rex Ryan says Bilal Powell "earned the right to start" Sunday's opener against the Bucs.

Ryan said Chris Ivory will get "substantial work." Ivory missed too much

trainingcamp and preseason action to get a firm grip on the starting job. However, as long as he stays healthy, his far superior talent should have no trouble uprooting Powell sooner rather than later. Expect Ivory to handle much of the early-down work this week, while Powell "starts" and works in on passing downs.

I usually don't care what Roto comments are but this time I think they got it right.

Rotoworld's problem is that they pick a side before training camp, then never back off it. For the rest of the season, it's the same spin.

Totally agree. Their blatant bias gets pretty annoying but I've learned to largely ignore it. It's usually just the title that matter to me.

 

[Stealthycat]

if Goodson was caught with a gun in Bloomdberg land he WILL see prison time -

 

[az_prof]

I just can't see how Powell retains the job. They brought in both Ivory and Goodson over Powell in the off-season and now that Goodson is suspended, they picked up Alex Green for at least the next few weeks. In my opinion, best case for Powell is he plays in a timeshare for the next 2-3 weeks while Ivory gets fully back from the injury, Goodson is suspended, and Green learns the offense. After that, I think he ends up as third or fourth on the depth chart with almost no value. And this is coming from a guy who owns Powell.

If Goodson does come back to the team - I could see Powell ending up the odd man out. Ivory is a better runner, Goodson is a better third down back and Green has a rare size speed combo that I'd like to see him harness into an effective RB.

Even as a Powell fan and owner, this is how I feel. Ivory and Goodson are the more talented backs but they both come with serious question marks. Ivory's injury history is so incredibly bleak, at times he makes DMC look durable. Goodson, with all his upside, has bounced between teams, never being able to put it anything together for a myriad of reasons (injury, ball security, off field issues and etc.).

Ultimately, none of these guys have yet to prove a thing in the league, which is why I still like Powell even if he isn't the "sexiest" pick of the bunch. He's healthy, has experience in the system and will get the job done. He may not be special but as someone pointed out, Greene was able to produce in this offense and he's the epitome of a plodder.

This is how I see it too. That being said, am I starting him as a flex this week? Heck no. He is starting, we know that, but we know Ivory will get carries too. Who will get the most? How meaningful will they be? And can anyone do well enough to be fantasy relevant in that offense? I don't know. I am in wait and watch mode. If Powell were to have a great Week 1, I would probably try to move him while his stock is hot because I don't believe his talent is such that he can be a starter for long. That being said, I am not convinced Ivory can stay healthy enough to be a longterm carry the load guy, and Goodson has bounced around for a reason too.

 

[sdp1226]

Like a fool I drafted both Ivory and Powell to fill my second Flx. Figured it'd be an easy decision to start Ivory and if when he got injured, Powell could fill his role. This recent starter news now has me debating on which ####ty guy to start.

From the small flashes of ivory that I've seen when he was on the saints, I still think that he's the more talented back and should be more productive in that backfield when healthy.

 

[az_prof]

Like a fool I drafted both Ivory and Powell to fill my second Flx. Figured it'd be an easy decision to start Ivory and if when he got injured, Powell could fill his role. This recent starter news now has me debating on which ####ty guy to start.

From the small flashes of ivory that I've seen when he was on the saints, I still think that he's the more talented back and should be more productive in that backfield when healthy.

It's hard to start a guy who is second on the depth chart. That being said if I had to choose, I would go with Ivory. Neither guy is likely to do much, but Ivory at least has the talent to bust off a 50 yard run with a little luck.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

if Goodson was caught with a gun in Bloomdberg land he WILL see prison time -

Bloomberg is not the mayor of Denville, New Jersey.

 

[oukurt]

Powell owners - "I got a starting RB in the 15th round. I am brilliant."

Ivory owners- "Rotoworld is lying and no way Ivory is not the workhorse. I spent a 7th rounder on him after all."

/thread

 

[mphtrilogy]

I snagged ivory late, couldn't resist the price

 

[MattFancy]

I snagged ivory late, couldn't resist the price

I was able to get Ivory in the 8th. Not sure if I like him, but there was definite value to grab him there.

 

[koreansteve]

Powell owners - "I got a starting RB in the 15th round. I am brilliant."

Ivory owners- "Rotoworld is lying and no way Ivory is not the workhorse. I spent a 7th rounder on him after all."

/thread

Pretty much sums it up. I'm (unfortunately) an Ivory owner. Just going to have to sit back and see how this all pans out. Add Goodson returning in week 5 and this should be a wonderful mess to navigate.

 

[sdp1226]

Like a fool I drafted both Ivory and Powell to fill my second Flx. Figured it'd be an easy decision to start Ivory and if when he got injured, Powell could fill his role. This recent starter news now has me debating on which ####ty guy to start.

From the small flashes of ivory that I've seen when he was on the saints, I still think that he's the more talented back and should be more productive in that backfield when healthy.

It's hard to start a guy who is second on the depth chart. That being said if I had to choose, I would go with Ivory. Neither guy is likely to do much, but Ivory at least has the talent to bust off a 50 yard run with a little luck.

Probably going to abandon playing either of them in week 1 and flex in Vincent Brown or Alshon. I think sitting back and waiting to see how the split goes might be the safer approach.

 

[sdp1226]

Powell owners - "I got a starting RB in the 15th round. I am brilliant."

Ivory owners- "Rotoworld is lying and no way Ivory is not the workhorse. I spent a 7th rounder on him after all."

/thread

Powell & Ivory owners - "WTF did I just get myself into?!?!"

 

[mphtrilogy]

I have no plans on starting Ivory this week, strictly wait and see how they use him....

 

[Ray_T]

I disagree about the line looking good. They are only averaging 3.2 yards per carry in the preseason. The run-blocking should improve with Ducasse starting (almost hard to believe it as I type it. He had looked completely lost before this season).

Ivory hasn't looked good at all, but that might be due to missing a lot camp reps with the hamstring injury. Powell has looked pretty good, but he is a jack of all trades and master of none. Ivory and Powell are going to share reps. Once Goodson is added to the mix, I expect all three to share reps with Goodson mostly in on third down.

Even as a Jets fan I'm avoiding this situation.

no offense dude, but I dont believe in looking at preseason team stats. Most of those stats are for 2nd, 3rd stringers and some players who are out of the league already. Lots of times coaches will experiment with changes that may be too risky to try in midseason and there is a lot of trial and error.

If you told me the starters didnt appear to be performing well, that may be another thing to consider, but looking at straight stats from preseason is often misleading.

Surprisingly enough the Jets line has been considered to be decent. The problem has been in other areas. (injured starting RB, ineffective QB causing teams to stack the box)

I'm not saying those issues have been resolved, but the line isnt the problem there. (in my opinion)

 

[Coeur de Lion]

If you get lucky and have the right guy between Ivory, Powell, and Goodson your prize will be 650 total YFS and 5 TDs -- where do I sign up?

 

[mphtrilogy]

if Ivory is the Goaline guy, the O has moved the ball nice in pre-season.

I can see 10 tds not out of the question.

problem is health for Ivory...

 

[NYCGangGreen]

A lot of people putting faith in Goodson, and his return, to immediately take over the 3rd down back role. But you need to remember, this guy was AWOL for most of training camp, is on suspension, and will need some time once he is eligible to return to get integrated with the offense. I'm not counting him out, but I think a more reasonable timeframe for him is about week 7 before he really makes any headway on the depth chart.

Until then, the Ivory/Powell duo is gonna hash out after a few weeks, and Alex Green could usurp the role Goodson hoped to fill if he gets going and flashes like he has the talent to do.