This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
Jacoby returns where he left off. Moore will duke it out on the opposite side of the field and the two will coexist IMO and help each others value by making it impossible to double team one guy.
They'll help each other's value in real life. In FF, they may kill each other's value.'Breesisdaman said:
Moore has taken the job away from Ford, best talent wins every time and Moore has the talent'fbplaya021 said:
This is technically incorrect. Ford was the starting flanker. Moore is the backup split end behind Heyward-Bey. Ford and Moore play different WR positions.
It will affect Ford's production unless you think there is room for two stud WRs in Oak (I don't).
I have both right now, and plan on holding onto them and seeing what shakes out. Moore seems to have earned starting snaps and Ford was looking like a focal point of the offense prior to pulling his hammy (at least early in the game). ####, I have Dmac too. What the hell am I thinking with all these Raiders!?!Hue and Sanders are offensive specialists though. Jason Campbell isn't as bad as people have made him out to be. This offense has explosive potential IMO. In Sanders past offenses, how has the WR1, WR2, and RB1 produced together in real life and in FF?
That's the big question for some leagues. Last season his value got a huge boost from return yards.I haven't found a reliable way to get that info on any team though. Even the official depth charts may not accurately reflect who will be returning kicks on any given Sunday.Unfortunately I think we'll have to wait until Ford is on the field to find out.'qimqam said:
They don't play the same position.
I think you are confusing FF with real football
Don't confuse the Moore superfans with facts. I just got out of the WW pickup of the year thread and there is no stopping them. They are right and everyone else is wrong. Moore is going to blow up. It doesn't matter if they only throw for 200 yards a game. He's going to take all of those AND he's going to rush for 50 more.Realistically, I think Ford is worth keeping and/or picking up if you have the roster spots available. I only drafted him in one league and had to drop him due to injuries (L.Moore, Austin, Foster, Hillis) but got him back this week for free (apparently not much interest in him). There is no reason he can't be your WR3 the rest of the year. That's not a great passing offense but he's still an explosive guy who could help you out occasionally depending on who else is on your roster. Definitely not worth dropping before week 4 unless it is a short bench league and someone pretty enticing is suddenly available or if you are hurting at another position.
You nailed it.
Kill is awfully strong. It's not like they have a 3 headed WR/TE monster. Sure, they might rotate production from week to week but many other WR corps do the same thing. I dropped Delone for Jacoby. I might regret it, but I guess I just don't have the patience to keep these RB handcuffs all season.
I don't watch much (OK, any) Raiders football, but I did go back and watch last week. Looked to me like DHB played pretty much every snap lined up on the left side (and was in pretty much every snap of the game), while Moore was moved all over the place (split right, slot right, slot left), and was in for about 2/3 of the snaps. Clearly Moore can play Ford's position (and did last week), and I assume Ford can just as easily play DHBs, while DHB remains a one trick pony. The question is what does DHB bring to the table that either Moore or Ford does not (other than contract size), and will it be enough to maintain his playing time in 2WR sets (which look to be about 50% of oakland's offense?)? I suspect this week the point will be moot, they'll be going 3WR alot vs New England.
They both play wide receiver and can easily be moved around to any of the other WR spots. One of them has Moore talent.
The other has Ford talent, to use your phrase. It remains to be seen, but I think he's just as talented as Moore.
Is it fair to ask whether 200 passing ypg is the norm for Oakland, or more a result of playing against Revis with one receiver of consequence and in the rain against a terrible run D in another? Oakland's D seems mediocre to this point, and the one offense that really pushed them caused Campbell to fling it. I expect this is McFadden's team, obviously, but I have to think getting Ford back and figuring out they have something in Moore is going to tick up the yardage through the air. I don't think Ford is going to come back and 'not' improve their production. You can't just assume "ok, this is the pie and now they split it."
Solid and un-biased analysis as usual.
That's probably more of the fact that they're resting his hamstring this week before the game. He probably resumes duties as the kickoff returner and Moore will be the punt returner.
Just scraped all the data, still formatting it, from first glance, there's not a real good chance (based on historical production in Saunders offenses) that both (or even one of them) finish as WR1 or WR2. Historical data doesn't give one iota about talent however, and both Ford and Moore have it in droves. The real Captain Obvious take away from all this data is McFadden stands a great chance of finishing top 5 RB if he stays healthy and he'd probably finish RB1 overall if Saunders used him like he used Faulk, Holmes, Johnson and Rice.
Good info - thanks!
That was going into week 3
Isn't ford in on 3 receiver snaps only? What's his value now in return leagues?
Don't be surprised with Ford's breakout last week to see him get as many or more snaps than Moore in the next few games. Ford is in on 2 and 3 WR snaps. Depends on flow of the game. Schilens is stealing some playing time too on a variety of formational downs. This situation if very fluid because all of these guys have unique strengths and warts. Who knows now with Palmer's acquisition, but the two current hot hands are DHB and Ford. Those two plus Moore will see a lot of snaps. Return yardage is almost dead to me with new rule, with an exception in Ford's case. Dude loves to bring it out of the end zone and Hue Jax loves him doing so.
