wow, is Locker really worth that? I'd rather have Quizz or Brown straight up over Locker.
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Jacquizz Rodgers 2012 (1 Viewer)
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Kleck
Footballguy
As would I.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
lot of people like Locker, been trying to get him in some of leagues with a no go. I would take him over Quizz but not sure about Brown
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
He...he..he...I am honestly surprised at the love. But when Bloom talks I listen. I just don't see him ever being much more than complimentary. From what I have seen he has no elite skills (speed/power). He seems to have above average agility and can catch well. Because of the height/weight/and new OC Koetner people seem to be chirping MJD comparisons. I just don't see it right now - however I am looking closer based on the rumblings.
zamboni
Footballguy
Not to be contentious or anything, but how much could we have seen of him at this point? And the coaches that watch him probably have a much better feel than we do.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I've probably seen a dozen or 20 of his games.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
“People want to say he’s too small. He’s not too small for me. He never missed a game, 900 touches.” - Mike Mayock leading up to the draft last year.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
How about if Turner hits the wall? Which you know is coming at some point (albeit not necessarily this year).
bigmarc27
Footballguy
Then we have Snelling who they have faith in to carry the ball. Rodgers is a 7 touch a game guy with or without Turner. I'm not saying this because of his stature, I just don't think he's that explosive. Watching him in the open field compared to say Julio on an end around shows he doesn't have the same quicks as a Sproles or Brian Westbrook.
zamboni
Footballguy
So what are you seeing that Mike Smith isn't?
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
To be fair, what do you expect the head coach to say about one of his players? That he sucks and won't get on the field much and they wish they wouldn't have drafted him? I'm not saying that's what he thinks, but people read way too much into this offseason coachspeak where everyone is a favorite and everyone is going to play a lot more and everyone can do great things.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
No problem - you are spot on. I have seen a few preseason highlights, a hand full of action during the regular season, college youtube highlights, and have read about him on Falcon message boards. I would not classify myself as an expert. But from what I have gathered in my little mind is he is a strong (for his size) compact runner with good change of direction skill but is only average in the speed and power department. It is apparent that I could be missing something.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
This is basically what my answer would have been. It's not like Quizz started getting more work at the end of the year either, so I just don't get where the hype comes from. He got some garbage work in a blowout against the Bucs, but look at the weeks before then.
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Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Nothing about Quizz jumps out as you watch him. He's not explosive, but the one thing he can do is make people miss in the open field because his change of direction ability with his low center of gravity is elite.I really don't have high expectations for him running the ball (in terms of quantity) as I think Snelling will most definitely still factor in here if Turner goes down. I think he's (Quizz) going to be a huge weapon for the Falcons short passing/screen game.Posted earlier in the thread that I expected near 500/500 (may be a bit on the high side, but this would represent a very solid year). I still expect Turner to get 225-250 carries.
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
I was on the other side of this and while I get that I paid a bit of a premium, I think we know what Donald Brown is at this point. Also, it's a totally new regime that has zero invested in him, it's hard for me to suddenly see him wake up and become, say, DeAngelo Williams, who at least flashed in his first couple years. I thought Gabbert looked terrible and was essentially a throw in. I liked Locker a lot, was willing to part with Rodgers, who I felt was the only part of the deal that could come back to bite me.
First- those rankings are nonppr, which heavily weights RB. He would be lower in PPR rankings, which are coming.
I think we're going to see Rodgers become a 200 carry 50 catch back this year, and if he does well, I think he becomes the Bradshaw of this run offense. I dont expect them to invest heavily in an RB in the draft/FA in the next year or two unless rodgers falls flat on his face.
I think we're going to see Rodgers become a 200 carry 50 catch back this year, and if he does well, I think he becomes the Bradshaw of this run offense. I dont expect them to invest heavily in an RB in the draft/FA in the next year or two unless rodgers falls flat on his face.
solorca
Footballguy
I agree with you on that. When making the deal, Rodgers was really the main target, and the only one who I see as a possibility of being anything special. The only reason I had any interest in Brown was because I had Delone Carter and thought I MAY be able to piece them together to create a flex starter. Gabbert was really just to replace my backup QB spot behind Aaron Rodgers.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Interesting. I'd be stunned if Turner wasn't a Falcon in 2012.
As you mentioned, they won't invest in RB in draft. (Partly because they gave their draft for Julio) All the more reason why there's no way Burner's not a Falcon in 2012.
As you mentioned, they won't invest in RB in draft. (Partly because they gave their draft for Julio) All the more reason why there's no way Burner's not a Falcon in 2012.
plastik
Footballguy
Personally I'd rather spend the 2.01 on LaMichael James, as long as his landing spot isn't horrendous.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Now I'm confused why you have him as your 54th back. This is about what I see too, but also why he's probably ranked somewhere in the 30's in my rankings.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
54th OVERALL, not 54th RB.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Ooooooooh
Yea, that makes more sense.And he's still right. Quizz is ready for his breakout.
Carl Eller's Dead Liver
Footballguy
Just traded rookie pick #13 overall (I guess possibly Polk, Pead, Fleener or Tannehill) for Quizz. 12 team PPR. Did I do good or get screwed?
Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
The vast majority of the excitement about Rodgers feels like it is based on negativity about Turner, rather than anything particularly positive that Rodgers has done.
squistion
Footballguy
30 year old RBs have a lot to be negative about.
Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub
Footballguy
I agree with this.Too much negativity with Turner. He'll (Turner) will be a big part of the 2012 Falcons. Atlanta (Julio deal) doesn't have the means to take a back in the draft.
I'm a Quizz owner (along with every other Falcon offensive player) and I saw little to show Quizz is capable of handing 200+ carries in the NFL. He does have nice lower body strength, but Turner is still a far far far better tackles runner. (And there's questioning his leg strength. Guy is a yards after contact machine) http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/03/27/2011-elusive-rating/
Perhaps Quizz does get a 200 carry year at some point in his career [i'd personally be surprised], but stunning if it's 2012. Even if Turner got hurt, I'd question that Quizz gets 200 (Snelling would handle more carries than people believe...fully believe they'd leave Quizz in a similar 3rd down role, with more 1st/2nd down work sprinkled in)
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Protocols of Stringer Bell
Footballguy
I don't disagree. But the automatic assumption that Turner decline means Rodgers is just stepping in, taking 80% of his carries plus the receiving yards, is the logic leap of which I'm unconvinced. In other scenarios of declining older backs with stud waiting in wings (Jamaal Charles and Ray Rice, for example), the backups had at least flashed moments of stardom. Rodgers had one play over 20 yards last year on 78 touches. Their offense had plenty of weapons for defenses to respect when he came on the field. Now he very well may become something good, but it won't be based on anything he has shown so far.
dmac37
Footballguy
I would jump on that deal
mlball77
Footballguy
I liked what I saw out of Rodgers in college, but didn't see him play too much last year with ATL. His numbers don't jump off the sheet, but that's OK given the small sample size.
I still have interest in him, but I sort of doubt that Rodgers owners would sell him at a price I'd be comfortable with paying for him.
I still have interest in him, but I sort of doubt that Rodgers owners would sell him at a price I'd be comfortable with paying for him.
Danish Bengal
Footballguy
I own Rodgers and offered him to the Turner owner together with my 1.12 for his 1.06. Insta-reject without a counter offer 
that's Mike Smith, head coach of the Falcons
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Obviously he'll be more involved, i think some of the 2012 projections thrown out are very optimistic. they'd be absolutely foolish not to use his ability in space on screens. the Julio deal won't allow them to address rb in this draft....so turner will be back and see 200+ carries
i think you're a year early if you want to go crazy with quizz projections. i think 500/400 would be a solid year for quizz
i think you're a year early if you want to go crazy with quizz projections. i think 500/400 would be a solid year for quizz
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Nero
Footballguy
<br /><br /><br />I think Rodgers is a scrub, but I know some like him. I thought it would be perceived as an offer too good to pass up when I offered Beanie and Rodgers for 1.7. Rejected!<br />I own Rodgers and offered him to the Turner owner together with my 1.12 for his 1.06. Insta-reject without a counter offer <img src='http://forumimages.footballguys.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/confused1.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
