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Jacquizz Rodgers, RB ATL (1 Viewer)
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I'm curious as well for his future implications. He went undrafted in our dynasty league. Turner is old and slowing down, which leads me to think he's the guy to have. He's explosive, but I remember reading recently (no link as I don't remember where) he's too small to be an every down back at 5'6" 196lbs.
Chimp Magnet
Footballguy
Listen to the season preview of the Falcons. Sig and Cec go over Rodgers pretty good.
Spoiler: they kinda like him...a lot.
Spoiler: they kinda like him...a lot.
glong989
Footballguy
ATLien here.
He's behind Snelling and Turner. Turner is going to be getting older and Snelling is a very capable backup should Turner go down. Right now reports are that Rodgers is picking up the playbook and improving each week. I look for his role to increase in the offense as the season progresses but not enough to warrant rostering him unless you have a deep league/large rosters and are in a PPR league. For dynasty purposes he might be worth a gamble, but I don't see him becoming an every down back in the NFL. I'd keep an eye out for him in the first few weeks and see if he shows potential. Odds are no one else is high enough on him so he's a guy you can afford to wait on instead of locking up a roster spot for him right now.
He's behind Snelling and Turner. Turner is going to be getting older and Snelling is a very capable backup should Turner go down. Right now reports are that Rodgers is picking up the playbook and improving each week. I look for his role to increase in the offense as the season progresses but not enough to warrant rostering him unless you have a deep league/large rosters and are in a PPR league. For dynasty purposes he might be worth a gamble, but I don't see him becoming an every down back in the NFL. I'd keep an eye out for him in the first few weeks and see if he shows potential. Odds are no one else is high enough on him so he's a guy you can afford to wait on instead of locking up a roster spot for him right now.
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Manster
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I'm not so sure he's too small. he's built like a brick crap house. I'd say he's built more solidly than Chris Johnson. low center of gravity. uses this leverage well. I've seen him get up under big LB's and bowl them over. VERY shifty and quick. VERY competitive and driven.I'd be surprised if 'Quizz doesnt make some noise. Maybe not this year, but I'd stash him dynasty.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
ESPN has him at that height/weight. He could be very explosive but he is destined to be in a RBBC during his career at that size.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I've never understood the "too small" argument. The shelf life of a RB is very short anyway, so why not run them into the ground?
If I'm paying someone like Sproles or Rodgers, who cares if you run them until they're hurt... at least they're helping the team in the meantime. Any NFL player is susceptible to injury if they get hit just right, so I'd rather put the talent on the field and let them play than save them on the bench where they're not doing anyone any good.
If I'm paying someone like Sproles or Rodgers, who cares if you run them until they're hurt... at least they're helping the team in the meantime. Any NFL player is susceptible to injury if they get hit just right, so I'd rather put the talent on the field and let them play than save them on the bench where they're not doing anyone any good.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Not comparing skill set...but size here......MJD 5'7, 208..... Ray Rice 5'8, 212.....Charles 5'11, 199.....Chris Johnson 5'11, 191......Gore 5'9, 217.....McCoy 5'11, 208...Bradshaw 5'9, 198...Rodger's is 5'6, 196 and has the frame to be able to put on more muscle. Very interesting looking at his physical progression as a Fresh/Soph/Junior in college (just watching highlights on youtube. He can easily put on another 10 lbs of muscle.
I'm a big believer just because he seems like a buy low and I LOVE the upside...
A soon to be 30 year old Turner and Snelling even is 27
Atlanta didn't seem to prioritize resigning Snelling or Norwood
A 5th round pick, but the Falcons did move up to get him and he was their 3rd pick. Where was he on their board?
Pretty much proven he can run between the tackles, potential PPR monster, nose for endzone
Shown durability
Nice intangibles, humble, smart
Young team with a great future
Excitability factor- Will coaches/teammates/fans etc scream to give him more carries? We can say what we will about RBBC concerns, and they are valid, but coaches do what they need to win games.
A soon to be 30 year old Turner and Snelling even is 27
Atlanta didn't seem to prioritize resigning Snelling or Norwood
A 5th round pick, but the Falcons did move up to get him and he was their 3rd pick. Where was he on their board?
Pretty much proven he can run between the tackles, potential PPR monster, nose for endzone
Shown durability
Nice intangibles, humble, smart
Young team with a great future
Excitability factor- Will coaches/teammates/fans etc scream to give him more carries? We can say what we will about RBBC concerns, and they are valid, but coaches do what they need to win games.
Warrior
Footballguy
You're missing the point. The 'too small' argument isn't about injuries. It's about strength and moving a pile, which most RBs not named CJ2K or Charles need to be successful.
bigmarc27
Footballguy
I suppose, but I always hear reference to "too small to carry a full load" and assumed that to mean the RB couldn't handle 20-25 touches a game.
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
Can anyone take the time to provide Rodger's combine/pro-day measurables (3 cone drill/40 time/etc)compared to CJ2K/Charles/Rice/Bradshaw/etc? Perhaps that would help us get a better read.
In goalline situations, doesn't the saying go "lowest man wins" or something like that?Quizz was also Mr. Touchdown in the state of Texas, 135 TDs in 4A. Also had 46 touchdowns in 36 games at OSU (53 total TDs). I think his ability to hit is being underrated. Not MJD-esque but still a bowling bowl type.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
What he did in HS is completely irrelevant imo.I looked up his draft page on NFL Draft.com or whatever it is. The official draft site I guess. They crack on him for his size but state that he's a willing, and able, runner between the tackles. He's shifty too but does not have great speed and he may not be a very good blocker in the passing game. They harp on his lack of size and speed.
dmac37
Footballguy
Atlanta seems to opening up the offense and spreading the field more. I think Quizz has a chance to be the lead back in a RBBC with a grinder/pounder type. White, Jones and Douglas spreading out the field will open things up for a RB like Quizz.
The key will be how long until Turner slows down to the point of the Falcolns looking at another RB and if he can pass protect enough.
The key will be how long until Turner slows down to the point of the Falcolns looking at another RB and if he can pass protect enough.
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JoeSteeler
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I thought I was the only one that still said this. I agree that his size isn't much of a factor and the (size) comparions to MJD are legit.
To you perhaps. But me? I choose not to look over the fact that someone was arguably the most productive back in Texas history. It wasn't too long ago that most would of argued Danny Woodhead's ridiculous D2 numbers were seen as fairly irrelevant. The old Moneyball method of thinking comes to mind here, if someone has prior success, let them succeed.
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
I like this guys situation a lot, good QB, great WRs, older RBs in front of him and guaranteed 3rd down duty right out of the gate. I think he's a dynasty steal in the 2nd rd.Hope so. Just picked him up at 4.03
johnadams
Footballguy
Absent injury, I don't foresee him making a major contribution this year and if he struggles much, his lack of return game will put him on the roster bubble by 2012. Personally, I have him slated to be a career situational player without much chance of being a true stud. Not a bad situation, but I'd be surprised if he was ever more than a Flex type/bye week filler on a consistent basis.
EBF
Footballguy
RB size has been poorly understood for a long time.
Bulk is more important than height.
Hence why "little" guys like Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw, and MJD have thrived despite the undersized label.
None of them are small. In terms of weight per inch of height, they're just as big as players like Peterson and SJackson (maybe even bigger).
I think Quizz and Dion Lewis both have a chance to become the next success story in this recent tradition. They have a lot of the qualities that make a RB successful in the NFL. Good feet. Loose hips. Explosive short area quickness.
I like both of them as 3rd round gambles in rookie drafts. 2nd round might be a bit of a reach given that they were fairly low NFL draft picks.
Bulk is more important than height.
Hence why "little" guys like Ray Rice, Ahmad Bradshaw, and MJD have thrived despite the undersized label.
None of them are small. In terms of weight per inch of height, they're just as big as players like Peterson and SJackson (maybe even bigger).
I think Quizz and Dion Lewis both have a chance to become the next success story in this recent tradition. They have a lot of the qualities that make a RB successful in the NFL. Good feet. Loose hips. Explosive short area quickness.
I like both of them as 3rd round gambles in rookie drafts. 2nd round might be a bit of a reach given that they were fairly low NFL draft picks.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I like to know too. In Bloom's notes this week it says Jacquizz is the "new handcuff to Turner". Haven't seen that anywhere else, and kind of big news if true considering he was their #4 RB week 1 according to reports I read.
krsone21
Footballguy
Rodgers seemed to be out on the field more during Atlanta's week 2 game then snelling. They even used Rodgers in the redzone. Rodgers dang near punched one into the endzone. Atlanta trusted him in crunch time when Turner needed a breather.
zamboni
Footballguy
I found that interesting as well. I wonder if something happened to Snelling injury-wise, or whether the coaching staff realized that Rodgers brings a more dynamic skill set than the solid - but pedestrian - Snelling.
The impression of field time is incorrect. Game 1 snelling had 36 snaps to rodgers 22 (turner 29), Game 2 snelling had 20-12 (turner 36). Game 1 snelling had 9 targets/touches to rodgers 7, and in game 2 both had 3. Each back had redzone opportunities in both games.So the relative workload split between the two did not change.'zamboni said:
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I picked up Quiz this week as a stash and hope. I'd love to see him in a Sproles type role with these guys. I loved watching him play in college. Despite his size, he runs tough between the tackles. Fun to watch.
Not sure if he'll have much value going forward but I'm always looking for these types of high upside RBs.
Not sure if he'll have much value going forward but I'm always looking for these types of high upside RBs.
krsone21
Footballguy
People rely too much on numbers sometimes, Rodgers looked the better back game two and it wasn't close.
faulkfan
Footballguy
TheArchitect
Footballguy
Speaking of high upside backs, trying to find Quiz's relative position... How do you see him relative to Powell? Helu? etc.Of course, with these guys, we're looking for potential game changers (RB 30 or better) if the chips fall favorably. So, 1) what are the chances that the chips fall favorably for Quiz, and 2) is the skill set there to take advantage of the opportunity?
I mean, I'd rather have Helu. He's already in a time share and I like what I'm seeing from the Redskins' offensive line, particularly Trent Williams at left tackle.
I just like Quiz, that's why he's on my team. It's a total flier. Ranking him right now is mostly a pointless endeavor. I would never start him so he's just another guy on my bench. We play in a 12 man league, 16 man rosters, no cap on how many players at each position so he's my RB6, basically, to give you an idea.
What I liked from Quiz in week 3, when they are in "pass mode", he's the guy they have in there. I just don't know that he is an elite receiver to be used exclusively in that capacity. I like what I see when they turn around and hand him the ball though. He's the same guy he was at Oregon State.
Also, Snelling suffered a concussion and may not play week 4. There's reason for optimism for Quiz but now he needs to make the most out of his touches and snap off a few big plays, something he hasn't done yet with his limited work.
I just like Quiz, that's why he's on my team. It's a total flier. Ranking him right now is mostly a pointless endeavor. I would never start him so he's just another guy on my bench. We play in a 12 man league, 16 man rosters, no cap on how many players at each position so he's my RB6, basically, to give you an idea.
What I liked from Quiz in week 3, when they are in "pass mode", he's the guy they have in there. I just don't know that he is an elite receiver to be used exclusively in that capacity. I like what I see when they turn around and hand him the ball though. He's the same guy he was at Oregon State.
Also, Snelling suffered a concussion and may not play week 4. There's reason for optimism for Quiz but now he needs to make the most out of his touches and snap off a few big plays, something he hasn't done yet with his limited work.
Couldn't agree more with the above post. Turner looks like he is in slow motion. Sell now before he has 0 value. If he hadn't gotten that gaping hole at the end of week two, this conversation would be a lot more popular. Quiz is going to take his job by week 10. Pick him up.
Football Jones
Footballguy
RBs can succeed with various types of body styles. That's been proven over & over. It's time to forget if a RB is too skinny, too tall, etc. We know what body types tend to apply as far as the typical RB, but skill set is the ultimate tell. If a RB isn't all that strong, then he can flourish by other means. The same thing applies to RBs who are strong runners, but don't have the other attributes to excel.
In short, judge a RB by what he can do. I will say it's harder for lighter guys to be feature backs, but it can be done, especially in today's offenses.
In short, judge a RB by what he can do. I will say it's harder for lighter guys to be feature backs, but it can be done, especially in today's offenses.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Just had a tentative offer for Quizz Rodgers and Taiwan Jones, for a mid-late 2012 1st.
I'm holding. I really think this guy can be the next Ray Rice, in ATL.
I'm holding. I really think this guy can be the next Ray Rice, in ATL.
Scrappy Doo
Footballguy
Doesn't look like he's done all that much with his few chances. He would really need to blow people away to earn a feature role at his size like an MJD or Rice.
For redraft, even if Turner went down, I don't think he'd get the full load, probably just a split with Snelling.
Am I missing something? I was hoping for more.
For redraft, even if Turner went down, I don't think he'd get the full load, probably just a split with Snelling.
Am I missing something? I was hoping for more.
FavreCo
Footballguy
I think ATL is missing something. They need to watch how NO uses Darren Sproles and do the same with this guy.
dmac37
Footballguy
Ray Rice did nothing his rookie year and many jumped off the bandwagon too early, don't think he is as talented as Rice but stay tuned.....
4.3 ypc and 10+ ypc. Tiny sample size but he's done fine so far. He's not lighting it up but he's not bombing either.
FavreAndAwayAnIdiot
Footballguy
Realistically, does this guy have a chance to do anything next season, or is he more of a long-term stash?
Hue G
Footballguy
As long as Turner stays as solid as he has been Rodgers probably won't hold a whole lot of value but sooner or later Turner will start breaking down, it's just a question of whether it will be sooner or later. And even in the case that Turner gets hurt or just isn't playing good it's tough to predict how good Rodger could/would be.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Tough to say. I like him to come in around 7 or 8 fantasy points in PPR. Chris Johnson type of production on about 1/10 of the opportunities.
NajehHejan
Footballguy
I'm in desperation mode and may have to play Jacquizz this weekend. I too am hoping he may get some work if the Falcons can get a big lead against the Colts, which should seem feasible. There was no Rotoworld blurb, but Yahoo reported the below on Tuesday 11/1:RB Jacquizz Rodgers could see increased action following the season-ending knee injury suffered by FB Ovie Mughelli. "Jacquizz has shown that he has the skill set to be a running back in this league, and we need to make sure that we spread the ball around through the second half of the season," coach Mike Smith said. "We've kind of been a little one-sided in our carries."(Yahoo! Sports)I think the assumption here is that, with the injury to Mughelli, Snelling moves to FB, and Jacquizz moves to the COP/3rd down role. However, Mike Smith in the past has promised to lessen the load on Turner and give more touches to other RBs, but he never ever follows through with that promise. There's a glimmer of hope however for this weekend based on:1) Weak opponent2) Snelling moves to FB3) Coach said he'll be more involved4) Team is coming off a bye, and may have worked on ways to get Jacquizz the ball more, preferably in spaceThere are some glimmers of hope for impact this year, but it's a huge crapshoot. Any other thoughts?
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