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Jaguars Being Sold (1 Viewer)
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Macdaddy_2004
Footballguy
Toronto?
The Moon? Wow I'd figure Los Angeles. But they will most likely stay a while in jax
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
The article I read this morning said that the team is being sold to the owner of FedEx with the condition the team remain in Jax.
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/11/29/2596087/jacksonville-jaguars-sold-owner-wayne-weaver
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/11/29/2596087/jacksonville-jaguars-sold-owner-wayne-weaver
delusional
Footballguy
Was hoping it was LA..so they could move out there, have good attendance at first then start to drop down over the next 5 years then get moved again
Wadsworth
Footballguy
For many months now there has been a rumor that Fred Smith(FedEx) is buying the Jags gradually over a 3 year period and that he is contractually committing to keeping the Jaguars in Jacksonville for at least a long period of time(I've heard anything from 10 to 20 years). I have no idea if this deal is going to reflect the rumor, but that has been the word for many months.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Seems odd to fire the coach right before announcing the sale of the team. Unless the sale is already drawn up and that was a prerequisite.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
Jaguars D is pretty good, they just need to change the whole offense except for MJD. Then this team is worth something. But like always, the coach gets the blame.
TheCommish
Footballguy
Unfortunately, by the time the offense gets re-built, MJD will be an old man by NFL standards.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
The_Man
Footballguy
Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.Jacksonville hasn't had a blackout since 2009, but you keep rollin'.
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
Because they cover up half thier field...
flapgreen
Footballguy
This is correct. I've been to a lot of Jags games.Because they cover up half thier field...
So that's where the tarp money has been going!Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Jacksonville is a college football town first, a beach town second, and a dumb hick town third. Pro football comes about seventh or eighth.VERY cool of Weaver to put a condition in that the team has to stay in Jax. Though, it's hard to imagine anybody buying this team and keeping them there. They've tried everything but bringing in Tebow. So, I think it's either going to be Tebow comes in, or the buyer has the greatest lawyers on the planet, who can get them team through whatever contract is signed, to help him move them.
rizzler
Footballguy
With Toronto and Buffalo being a little over an hour's drive apart... not in a million years.Hell, I don't think the Bills themselves will ever move here either.This is a hockey town. That being said... thousands of canadians drive over to see the Bills every week. But the Bills will never be "our team" in Toronto, and thus the support would suck.And our tailgating laws suck donkey balls.Smoke a joint in public, no problem... Drink booze, and you have an issue on your hands.
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Just heard this announced.
simey
Footballguy
That stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Worked the Women's Canadian Open in Niagra Falls a few years ago and was appalled to find out you cannot order more than one drink at a time. I can't have a Jameson with a Bud back? #### you, Montel.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
A guy from Pakistan in Jacksonville? What could possibly go wrong?
LOL...already updated on Wiki. I just caught parts of the presser in the car on Sirius and Weaver mentioned Khan would be "getting a place in Jacksonville". I missed any verbiage that may have been said due to the team staying in Jax for X period of time, so I would be curious if nayone caught that (I was in and out of the car).
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Lived in Jax Beach for a few years and this is definitely not an NFL town. Very little Jags talk around town and just a general lack of strong loyalty among the fans. I wouldn't mind seeing the team move to LA. I think the city gets a bad rap for losing the Rams and Raiders but dealing with owners like Georgia Frontiere and Al Davis isn't exactly a dream situation. One cared nothing for football and the other was never really committed to the city in the first place. Get a serious owner with a committment to LA and a committment to putting a quality product on the field and an LA Jags team could draw fans consistently.
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rizzler
Footballguy
Well, that part is odd to me, Ive never been told I can only order one drink... Mustve been a venue rule. I usually buy a round of 4+ wherever I go
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Interesting...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shahid_Khanhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5496516...he also tried to buy the Rams: another team rumored for L.A. "The big news, in my estimation, is that Weaver said there was nothing in writing with Khan about keeping the team in Jacksonville when the deal was done. That said he reiterated he had trust that Khan wouldn't move the team. He said, "We're a Jacksonville franchise" when talking about the future of the franchise."http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/11/29/2596404/wayne-weaver-jacksonville-jaguars-sale-shahid-khanThe plot thickens.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
That stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
Also, the Jags have a lease that runs until 2030.
NJDawgPound
Footballguy
That's one way to put itPlease -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Well, I hope he doesn't accept mediocrity as much as Weaver did.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Yeah, Jax can kiss their team goodbye. They had their chance.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Jax was also looking to poach the Saints back in the day; even though the Saints had a lease with the Super Dome it did not matter. Idiot owner John Mecom wanted to sell the team no matter what to anyone anywhere because he was cash poor and Jax was more than willing to put the Saints in the Gator Bowl. L.A.'s football history goes back to the 1940's (there was even an NFL team there in 1926). People make fun of its lack of football passion but reality is it is one of the league's formative traditional cities.Alignment wise, the Jags could go perfectly into the NFC West (L.A., SF, ARI, SEA) and the Rams could go in the AFC South, fitting in regionally far better with Indy, Houston and Nashville.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
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flapgreen
Footballguy
Same here. Great stadium too. I like it.
LargeMouthBass
Footballguy
What people don't understand is... we here in LA love football and want a football team, we just don't want to pay for a stadium for these billionaire owners like other cities. If an owner wants to bring a team to LA, they either better pay for a stadium or find private investors cause we ain't paying for that ####!!!!!
RippedCat
Footballguy
Jacksonville is a college football town, grew up here and my dad started taking me to college games when I was a kid.
That being said, when the Jags didn't suck people came to the games but fans here got spoiled by the runs that the Noles, Gators, and '90s Jags had. The long term loyalty that holds fans over when the team is losing was not there because it was a new franchise. People fell off the fan-wagon real fast.
Even though the stadium was built for the Jag's opening season it had to have enough seating for the Fla-Ga game and (to a lesser extent) the Gator Bowl game. The thing that crosses my mind is that LA is so all about see and be seen and glam do they make the whole stadium club seats? And do the ticketholders spend the whole game in the club rooms and restaurants socializing while the stadium seats sit empty?
That being said, when the Jags didn't suck people came to the games but fans here got spoiled by the runs that the Noles, Gators, and '90s Jags had. The long term loyalty that holds fans over when the team is losing was not there because it was a new franchise. People fell off the fan-wagon real fast.
Even though the stadium was built for the Jag's opening season it had to have enough seating for the Fla-Ga game and (to a lesser extent) the Gator Bowl game. The thing that crosses my mind is that LA is so all about see and be seen and glam do they make the whole stadium club seats? And do the ticketholders spend the whole game in the club rooms and restaurants socializing while the stadium seats sit empty?
msommer
Footballguy
Guess they'll have to have special easy wheelchair access with that fan base...(Point being that Rams and Raiders tried it out and moved away in the mean time, because of better economy elsewhere - so the fan base of WWII is not particularly relevant - was a if the people and corporations of LA today are unwilling to fork out sufficiently in tickets, boxes and merchandise, any franchise will fail, formative city or not)
Apple Jack
Footballguy
THere are almost 18 million people in the LA/Orange County area. There are a few people who don't fit that stereotype.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
18 million is a lot. Of people. In one market. Like really really really a lot. Football in LA is a slam dunk and it boggles the mind that it has gone this long without a team.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ha, yeah, well Baltimore's history back to the 1950's and Cleveland's going back even further was relevant, not because the same fans would be attending but because of the tradition and the longstanding ties to the league and its history. No, I'm not thinking of the Bob Waterfield Fan Club here. The Jags strike me as an ersatz team with a tepid fan base but the latter is supposedly a reason why L.A. is not suited to NFL football? There's more NFL history and connection there than in Jax. If that was a reason (one of several) for bringing teams back to Baltimore and Cleveland it should be for L.A. too.Also I don't think the Rams moved because of a better economy, as I recall the state of MO and the city of StL offered hundreds of millions of dollars to the ex-showgirl Georgia Frontiere and not surprisingly she took it. Meanwhile fans in StL supposedly a non-football town like L.A. (enough to make the Bidwells move the Phoenix (?)) went crazy to buy up tickets.
As for the ticket & suite issues etc. - sorry the Coliseum and the old Anaheim stadium are not reasonable bases to form usable judgements about the enthusiasm of the fan base and corporate support.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
Don't bother with facts, some people just like to fish. Jacksonville has been around the middle or better in attendance for NFL since they got the team but still you get the "cover half the seats" comments.That stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
DaveGrumbles
Footballguy
Yes. The Rams 'tried it out' for about 50 years. Then Georgia Frontiere tries to cash in on her dead hubby's mistake of leaving her the team. She spent years sticking her nose in football operations resulting in a multitude of clownish football decisions. All so she could drive down attendance and move to the town with highest bidder. Now with a slightly more sensible ownership involved there have been rumors of a move back. But its always easier to just stick with the 'LA has no real football fans' meme.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
That would be the offensive half of their field.-QGBecause they cover up half thier their field...
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
For reference, the 67k+ configuration ranks 20th in stadium size out of the 31 NFL stadiums.-QGThat stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
spodog
Footballguy
Found it entertaining to hear Weaver say "I thought it was important to have a local feel" with regards to the new Owner. Shahid Khan was born in Pakistan, lives in Illinois, and spends most of his time on airplanes. Yes, a very local feel indeed.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
This could totally big a Zyggi Wilf style thing...-QG
Apple Jack
Footballguy
There is certainly a contingent in the area of people who spend as much time on airplanes getting away from Jax as possible.
The_Man
Footballguy
According to this sortable table of NFL attendance Jacksonville has been in the bottom 10 or 11 of total attendance every year since 2006 (the furthest back year it has of full data) and hasn't once cracked the top half of total percentage of stadium capacity filled during that time.Again, I'm not hating on Jax, I'm hating on Tagliabue for colluding with Jack Kent Cooke to keep football out of Baltimore. It clearly had the best expansion package on the table, but he engineered things to bypass Baltimore. Art Modell certainly saw how sweet the deal was, which is why he voted against Baltimore in expansion, then quickly swooped in to grab the deal for himself.Don't bother with facts, some people just like to fish. Jacksonville has been around the middle or better in attendance for NFL since they got the team but still you get the "cover half the seats" comments.That stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
If Tagliabue hadn't rigged things, Baltimore would have gotten the team that became the Jags, and Modell would have had to sell the Browns -- because there was no other deal on the table that would have enabled him to cover his debts -- and they never would have moved out of Cleveland. And in fact, Modell was in so deep that even the sweetheart deal Baltimore gave him wasn't enough, which is why he had to eventually allow Bisciotti to buy the team. As much as I like having the Ravens in town, I hate that Baltimore had to do to Cleveland what Indy did to Baltimore in order to get a team.
Which is why I get a little nutty every time I look at the NFL's struggles in Jacksonville and am reminded of Tagliabue's "Baltimore should build a museum" remark.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I'd like to condemn the hate, but as an NJ Devils fan I still want Nashville to do badly after they tried to swipe our team in '95 before getting their ownThat's one way to put itPlease -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
-QG
Wadsworth
Footballguy
And yet there were two teams that averaged less than 50k per home last year.For reference, the 67k+ configuration ranks 20th in stadium size out of the 31 NFL stadiums.-QGThat stadium was set up for college games, and it seats around 84,000 people. For NFL games and using the tarps, they are still seating around 67,000 people and that is a lot.Please -- they cover 10,000 seats with tarps for every game.Though I've got nothing against Jacksonville, except that Tagliabue screwed Baltimore in Jax's favor during expansion (to appease Jack Kent Cooke by trying to eliminate a regional rival to Washington), then said the above quote in reference to Baltimore. For the record, Baltimore hasn't had a blackout since it was allowed back into the NFL in 1996, despite forcing fans to buy PSLs.
