Cheap shots are always going to happen, it doesn't matter what you do. The NFL simply needs to make the penalty so severe for a hit like Lawrence took that takes the player out of the league for 1+ years. In many cases, the punishment does not match the crime. I say in cases like this, make the punishment even more severe than the crime. At least these idiots might think twice.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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That's true but you can minimize reduce the opportunities for them to happen.Cheap shots are always going to happen, it doesn't matter what you do. The NFL simply needs to make the penalty so severe for a hit like Lawrence took that takes the player out of the league for 1+ years. In many cases, the punishment does not match the crime. I say in cases like this, make the punishment even more severe than the crime. At least these idiots might think twice.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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But it's not always very obvious when the slide starts. I'm not sure the hand signal is the answer but it's a more obvious sign anyway,IMO.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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The play is dead as soon as he starts the slide. I'm not sure if signaling a fair catch would end it any faster or stop a hit like the one Lawrence took... the defender would have been just as aware that the play was over and decided to continue with his hit.
Didn't Allen use the fake slide in the playoffs last year?Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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The play is dead as soon as he starts the slide. I'm not sure if signaling a fair catch would end it any faster or stop a hit like the one Lawrence took... the defender would have been just as aware that the play was over and decided to continue with his hit.
But it's not always very obvious when the slide starts. I'm not sure the hand signal is the answer but it's a more obvious sign anyway,IMO.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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The play is dead as soon as he starts the slide. I'm not sure if signaling a fair catch would end it any faster or stop a hit like the one Lawrence took... the defender would have been just as aware that the play was over and decided to continue with his hit.
I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
Specific to that play, but if Lawrence just dives forward rather than sliding, not only does he protect himself better than sliding but he gets the first down as well
I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
Specific to that play, but if Lawrence just dives forward rather than sliding, not only does he protect himself better than sliding but he gets the first down as well
Not anymore. Head first is now placed where the slide starts. Been that way for about three or four years now.
I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
Specific to that play, but if Lawrence just dives forward rather than sliding, not only does he protect himself better than sliding but he gets the first down as well
Not anymore. Head first is now placed where the slide starts. Been that way for about three or four years now.
Who said anything about sliding? I am saying dive for the first down. If Anthony Richardson is on a bootleg from the opposition 5, has an angle on a defensive back, and dives to the end zone and breaks the plane, that is not a touchdown?
Well, that's the first I've heard of that rule, which is surprising given it's terrible and might be the worst rule change I've ever heard of
Not sure I knew that, thank youI don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
Specific to that play, but if Lawrence just dives forward rather than sliding, not only does he protect himself better than sliding but he gets the first down as well
Not anymore. Head first is now placed where the slide starts. Been that way for about three or four years now.
Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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These are world class athletes, universally, you see the defender rolling or doing everything to avoid the contact when the QB slides, even mid air. This was flat out dirty, **** that guy. Nothing will change a dirty hit like that. NFL needs to send a message rn. I’d be good with this season and next, but anything less than the rest of this season is a joke.But it's not always very obvious when the slide starts. I'm not sure the hand signal is the answer but it's a more obvious sign anyway,IMO.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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The play is dead as soon as he starts the slide. I'm not sure if signaling a fair catch would end it any faster or stop a hit like the one Lawrence took... the defender would have been just as aware that the play was over and decided to continue with his hit.
Hot take.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
Sorry but that description does not match what we see in that play.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
Nope, he didn't lead with his forearm.The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
that’s like saying if the girl wears pants instead of skirt….I don't there's any way for the QB to give himself up that doesn't still allow for a cheap shot if the defender is dirty enough. Just disincentive it with very long (costly) suspensions.
Specific to that play, but if Lawrence just dives forward rather than sliding, not only does he protect himself better than sliding but he gets the first down as well
your own link supports the forearm to the head, wtfTrevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
What video are you even watching. Lawrence starts sliding at the 47 which kills the play. His butt is on the ground THREE YARDS later before contact is made at nearly the three second mark on the video. The next time your kid is running in glee to greet you coming home from work count to two and a half, dive at her with a forearm shiver to the head, and ask yourself "could I have avoided that if I wanted to knowing I shouldn't be doing it?". The answer might surprise you. Or not.The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
I’d lay their *** out if they’re trying to get a first down on me. Then stand over top of them and flex.What video are you even watching. Lawrence starts sliding at the 47 which kills the play. His butt is on the ground THREE YARDS later before contact is made at nearly the three second mark on the video. The next time your kid is running in glee to greet you coming home from work count to two and a half, dive at her with a forearm shiver to the head, and ask yourself "could I have avoided that if I wanted to knowing I shouldn't be doing it?". The answer might surprise you. Or not.The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
your own link supports the forearm to the head, wtfTrevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
your own link supports the forearm to the head, wtfTrevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
This defender is putting his hands on the shoulder pads. It's the crap slide that causes contact to his facemask but that's minimal here. The hard contact is with the turf because the QB slides with his head up. Any injury on this play is on Lawrence.
That's like saying "I didn't mean to hit you in the head when I swung that baseball bat at you it's your fault I missed your ribs when you ducked". Totally ignorant. The QB is protected when he starts the slide, the guy never should have been trying to hit him in the first place, it was a BS cheap shot.This defender is putting his hands on the shoulder pads. It's the crap slide that causes contact to his facemask but that's minimal here. The hard contact is with the turf because the QB slides with his head up. Any injury on this play is on Lawrence.
The hand/forearm is to the shoulder, not the head.your own link supports the forearm to the head, wtfTrevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
I'll be the devil's advocate on this one. Here is the play. https://x.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1863299207324717539
The defender is attacking at the same time Lawrence starts his slide, which is right at the first down line to gain. It's not helmet to helmet or forearm to helmet and appears Lawrence hits his head on the turf. Not a dirty play and honestly the defender has no choice here with quarterbacks using the fake slide and fake out of bounds run to their advantage. The problem on this play is the defender can't let up because Lawrence is sliding right at the first down flag and his sliding technique sucks because he keeps his head up.
Hitting a sliding QB should be automatic ejection. Eregious shots like this this should be mandatory 2 games suspension escalating from there. Until they start enforcing real consequences nothing will happen. There's zero football reason to hit the guy. You can't force a fumble because the play's dead the second he started his slide, you're not touching him down because the play's already dead. The only thing to accomplish now is injury and intentional injurious actions should be given the nuclear option, it's the only way to stop them.
I can agree with this.Hitting a sliding QB should be automatic ejection. Eregious shots like this this should be mandatory 2 games suspension escalating from there. Until they start enforcing real consequences nothing will happen. There's zero football reason to hit the guy. You can't force a fumble because the play's dead the second he started his slide, you're not touching him down because the play's already dead. The only thing to accomplish now is injury and intentional injurious actions should be given the nuclear option, it's the only way to stop them.
If you're going to do this, you need to make the fake slide an offensive penalty too. I don't disagree with your take here, but some QB will try and take advantage of this in a key moment of a key game, and everybody will lose their minds. Totally acknowledge that defining a "fake slide" can be tough, but I think, like porn, you know it when you see it.
Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
One advantage to the fair catch idea is that the QB's head is up higher. When the QB slides, the head is about where his hip would be. If the defender blasts the QB in the hip or abdomen it would still be a late hit and 15 yard penalty, maybe an ejection too, and might cause broken ribs or severe hip pointer - but most people would prefer to take one of those injuries over a severe concussion.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
The play is dead as soon as he starts the slide. I'm not sure if signaling a fair catch would end it any faster or stop a hit like the one Lawrence took... the defender would have been just as aware that the play was over and decided to continue with his hit.
It doesn't have to be all or nothing. Al-Shaair could have readied himself for the fake slide and then pulled up when the slide happens. You see guys do it all the time, they brace for impact and then they dive over/pull up/raise up the arms to avoid the low collision. Al-Shaair did none of those things, he started high, lowered down, and led with the forearm. He is high enough at this point to just go right over Lawrence:If you're going to do this, you need to make the fake slide an offensive penalty too. I don't disagree with your take here, but some QB will try and take advantage of this in a key moment of a key game, and everybody will lose their minds. Totally acknowledge that defining a "fake slide" can be tough, but I think, like porn, you know it when you see it.
The rule is supposed to be play is dead as soon as the QB even takes to go into the sliding motion. Mahomes has been abusing that. If he were called down properly when he fakes a slide then there would be less times the defender feels they have to continue the tackle.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
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Some fun math I read...
roughly 4 yards between players when the slide starts. average 40 time divided by distance is about .5 seconds. not taking away from how dirty the hit is, but .5 seconds to make a decision when, like others have posted, QBs can fake a slide gives another perspective.
I agree but you also can't allow QBs to fake going out of bounds and then turn up field or reach the ball out for an extra yard or two, or fake a slide and then keeping running. Happens all the time with certain QBs.Cheap shots are always going to happen, it doesn't matter what you do. The NFL simply needs to make the penalty so severe for a hit like Lawrence took that takes the player out of the league for 1+ years. In many cases, the punishment does not match the crime. I say in cases like this, make the punishment even more severe than the crime. At least these idiots might think twice.Trevor Lawrence got nearly killed on a slide today. They need to change that - can't we have them just raise their hand fair catch style? Play is dead as soon as they do?
Whatever, there has to be a better way.
The play
That's a great point too but probably really tough to adjudicate. I'd have to see some videos, I can't recall anything specific, but I think you'd just end up with a different very difficult judgement/timing call. Remove it altogether. If you have the ball you're going to get pounded, throw it away or go out of bounds.The rule is supposed to be play is dead as soon as the QB even takes to go into the sliding motion. Mahomes has been abusing that. If he were called down properly when he fakes a slide then there would be less times the defender feels they have to continue the tackle.