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The Man With No Name
Footballguy
A conditional draft pick
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I know the Redskins were in a desperate need of an OT....having had a solid pair since Samuels and Jansen.....so it makes sense...depending on what they gave up.
However, how does this effect the Saints OL moving forward?
Should Brees, P. Thomas, Bush, Colston, etc be downgraded slightly?
However, how does this effect the Saints OL moving forward?
Should Brees, P. Thomas, Bush, Colston, etc be downgraded slightly?
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
They did win a Super Bowl without Brown.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
True but he is a multi-pro bowl OT. Those aren't everywhere haha. I wonder what fair compensation would be....I'm guessing a 2nd.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
Very interesting. Brown was an All-Pro at the age of 25 in 2006, and made the Pro Bowl in '08. He's 29 years old now, and pairing him with Trent Williams could make for a very quick and very nice turnaround at both tackle positions.
Hell, they basically played the whole year without him...
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
I'm going to assume Brown would play RT with Williams at LT???
ETA: This is a great play as it protects the other investment of the offseason of McNabb. Shanny isn't up for any rebuilding projects it seems.
ETA: This is a great play as it protects the other investment of the offseason of McNabb. Shanny isn't up for any rebuilding projects it seems.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
They did play a whole year without him.
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
No way they get a 2nd.I'd guess 5th or 6th with a chance to upgrade to 3rd or 4th. Would be surprised if a 3rd is in play though. They're already potentially sending a 3rd to Philly for McNabb.
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
No, they actually did play the whole year without him. He was hurt before preseason games even began.Good trade for both teams. Saints clear some salary and pick up a high draft pick for a player who they didn't really need. Skins get a very good cornerstone tackle to go with the kid they drafted. Win-win.domvin said:
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
There is no way Mickey Loomis would take a 5th for an All-Pro left tackle unless Brown's knees are way more shot than we already know about.Fear & Loathing said:
Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
He was an All-Pro 4 years ago. Now he's a disgruntled free-agent-to-be coming off a season lost to hip and groin surgeries. He wants either a huge contract or a one-way ticket out of Dodge City. I do think we're looking at a 4th or 5th that can be upgraded one round based on staying healthy for "x" amount of games. You may be right, though. Fourth-rounder that can be upgraded to a third?
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
If they did only get a 5th, they got ripped off. I am not Brown's biggest fan (holds and false starts too much and has two bum knees) but he is a top left tackle regardless.
EDIT: nm, new info. Looks like the Saints are banking on the fact that the Skins won't have too big a turnaround.
EDIT: nm, new info. Looks like the Saints are banking on the fact that the Skins won't have too big a turnaround.
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fatness
Footballguy
twistd
Footballguy
The Redskins are giving up very little. If I read this correctly, if Washington gives NO the third round pick they get a fifth in return. If they give up their fourth, they get a sixth in return. And there is a conditional pick in 2012. That is a sixth if he plays 90% of the plays or gets elected to the Pro Bowl. So in 2011 they are basically dropping down two rounds whether it is a third or a fourth. And the conditional is only a sixth in 2012, which would be well worth it if he plays that much or makes the Pro Bowl. That seems to be very little compensation for an offensive tackle who made the Pro Bowl as recently as 2008. Is he fully recovered from the injuries from last year? Or are there contract issues? It appears that the Redskins did very well in getting both Brown and McNabb for very reasonable compensation.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Instant upgrade for the passing game. Gotta feeling Santana and Devin Thomas are going to be very busy. McNabb might have a decent year yet. Upgrade both Cooley and Davis too.
I love seeing people pump up Santana Moss LOL!
Every year i say to myself at my draft, "no way someone will fall into that sinkhole again" and every year he gets taken in the 7th-8th round range.
In the spirit of the Jabar Gaffney/Torry Holt threads:
Santana Moss will not win you fantasy football!
Every year i say to myself at my draft, "no way someone will fall into that sinkhole again" and every year he gets taken in the 7th-8th round range.
In the spirit of the Jabar Gaffney/Torry Holt threads:
Santana Moss will not win you fantasy football!
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
Jabar Gaffney won me a Dynasty league last year.Not many WRs can boast three seasons in the last seven with lines like this:84/1,483/974/1,105/1079/1,044/6I think Santana Moss is the one of the best value picks out there as a potential high-end WR2 going as a WR3/4 in drafts.
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You made a nice skilled start with Gaffney against KCs horrendous pass D, so kudos to you, but 1 anectodal game shouldn't be confused with a season, which is what we are talking about when considering drafting him. Much different than picking a guy off the WW and spot starting him.IIRC, you used to be a pretty big Santana hater, what's changed? And honestly, I think I could find plenty WRs like that if i cherry picked their 3 best of 7 seasons. That's a flimsy case to take Santana Moss if you ask me.
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Fear & Loathing
Footballguy
I don't know about hater. I never liked him as a Top-10 to 12 Dynasty WR (when it was popular to rank him there) because of his inconsistency. But redraft is a different story altogether. As long as he doesn't get suspended or seriously injured, it's hard not see him capitalizing on McNabb's presence. It's not like he's getting competition from other Redskins WRs, and his strengths match up well with McNabb's strengths. I think all signs are pointing toward one of the Saberhagen-like good years. I'm targeting him as my WR3 in all leagues this year.Also love Gaffney in redrafts this year. He's the Broncos' No. 1 WR, knows McDaniels' offense like the back of his hand, and I like that he's proven capable of big games when targeted to the extent that Brandon Marshall was targeted. I'm targeting him as a WR4 in just about every league this year.
eakfootball
Footballguy
I really don't think this effects the saints at all. Bushrod is a good player and I think Charles Brown may have been the steal of the draft. Teams in need of a tackle such as indy buffalo detroit arizona dallas and KC should not have passed on him
saintfool
Dead sexy
bushrod did pretty well for the saints much of the year. he has limitations and was abused in a few games - carolina was one, if i recall - last year. that said, he did more than enough to make fans forget jamaal brown with his repeated holding penalties. bushrod may be the weak link in the o-line but he can still grow into the role in his second year starting. charles brown can take some time to develop as a replacement for the aging stinchcomb and that's a good thing.eakfootball said:
Harrassment Panda
Footballguy
I like Stinchcomb a lot, but with the way Bushrod run blocks, I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as the starting RT within a couple years with Brown playing the left side. Not to mention Strief has shown himself to be a very solid player, I read something from a scout the other day saying that he could be a starter on half the teams in the league right now. Nice problem to have.
