Jamaal Charles value? (1 Viewer)

[BUTTER]

what is J. Charles value going forward?

 

[FantasyTrader]

Initial gut feeling is a 50/50 split between Jamaal and Kolby with Charles having far greater value of the two in ppr.

ETA: Far greater = hardly any. I momentarily lost track of big picture, which is we're still talking about the Chiefs.

 

[Otis]

Worth a gamble. Who knows...

 

[Young 8]

Chiefs = stay away

 

[Titus Pullo]

is kolby even back yet? could be a nice sneak play to get him while he's out while everyone else is focused on charles. i like charles better but for those of us late in the waiver wire order or in leagues where charles is gone kolby could be worth a shot.

Chiefs = stay away

yeah maybe just a shot in the head.

 

[Todem]

Charles gets his chance to shine now.....PPR gold if he comes through.....but being that it is the Chiefs.....tough road.

 

[EdwardCat]

Charles will perform better than Johnson given his ability to catch the ball. I'd start him with more confidence than if I had Johnson as an option. I just traded for Johnson. Thankfully I had Charles already. Odds are that Charles will give more of a boost to the offense given his versatility.

 

[JamesTheScot]

He has limited value.

Ask yourself this...

What was M.Bush's value when McFadden went down? Is Bush worth more or less now? Is that situation that different from this one? Both guys have people saying that "if the starter in front of them goes down, they'll be good to go".

Charles has also been in Haley's doghouse this year being a healthy inactive in one game and unable to steal touches from Johnson despite the struggles of the KC running game.

Even if Johnson is gone, I expect Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage to get plenty of touches. Given how little a touch is worth in the Chiefs' offense, I wouldn't expect any back to have much value. I mean, how much value did Johnson have getting the lion's share of them?

Headcase issues aside, Johnson was in shape and working hard this season. The problem with that O is in the trenches and that isn't changing by a switch at ball carrier.

 

[mrspree15]

Not that I'm necessarily expecting him to keep up his good performance, but you guys are acting like Charles has sucked this year when he's played. He's averaging 5 ypc behind that terrible line.

 

[The Jacket]

Not that I'm necessarily expecting him to keep up his good performance, but you guys are acting like Charles has sucked this year when he's played. He's averaging 5 ypc behind that terrible line.

Just like he averaged 5.3ypc last year, nevermind over 10ypr.Time for the guy to get some more carries on a consistent basis.

 

[FantasyTrader]

He has limited value.Ask yourself this...What was M.Bush's value when McFadden went down? Is Bush worth more or less now? Is that situation that different from this one? Both guys have people saying that "if the starter in front of them goes down, they'll be good to go".Charles has also been in Haley's doghouse this year being a healthy inactive in one game and unable to steal touches from Johnson despite the struggles of the KC running game.Even if Johnson is gone, I expect Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage to get plenty of touches. Given how little a touch is worth in the Chiefs' offense, I wouldn't expect any back to have much value. I mean, how much value did Johnson have getting the lion's share of them?Headcase issues aside, Johnson was in shape and working hard this season. The problem with that O is in the trenches and that isn't changing by a switch at ball carrier.

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7? Serious question. Chiefs homers, to this point - had Charles been getting most of his attempts via draws on passing downs, etc? I mean 2.7 to 5.0 yards a carry. That's night-n-day.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

just picked him up off waivers before its too late...once L.J is suspended you wont be able to get him...worth stashing and play wait n see

 

[teamroc]

I've been trying to get him the last few days, owner wouldn't deal. Pretty much forced my hand and had to deal LJ.

Rice, Ray BAL RB

for

Johnson, Larry KCC RB

Jones, Felix DAL RB

Collie, Austin IND WR

Year 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick

Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick

Year 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick

Year 2010 Round 4 Draft Pick

Quite happy to be rid of LJ, and for that matter Felix. Picks hurt but you have to give to get. =)

LJ has actually looked fairly good this year, but the o-line is realllllly bad. Charles has little chance to put up any kind of numbers. You'd had to be in a really bad spot to be starting Charles. Even if LJ is cut, they're drafting a RB next year. Charles has looked fairly average in his limited time.

 

[Couch Potato]

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7?

I have a possible explanation.LJ is very busy beating up girlfriends, spitting on women, calling reporters f----ts, bragging about all his money, dissing fans, dissing his head coach, and telling everyone how much he hates the city he plays in. That takes up a lot of energy. Charles probably just worries about playing football to the best of his ability.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I've been trying to get him the last few days, owner wouldn't deal. Pretty much forced my hand and had to deal LJ.Rice, Ray BAL RBfor Johnson, Larry KCC RBJones, Felix DAL RBCollie, Austin IND WRYear 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 4 Draft Pick Quite happy to be rid of LJ, and for that matter Felix. Picks hurt but you have to give to get. =)LJ has actually looked fairly good this year, but the o-line is realllllly bad. Charles has little chance to put up any kind of numbers. You'd had to be in a really bad spot to be starting Charles. Even if LJ is cut, they're drafting a RB next year. Charles has looked fairly average in his limited time.

You robbed him.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7?

I have a possible explanation.LJ is very busy beating up girlfriends, spitting on women, calling reporters f----ts, bragging about all his money, dissing fans, dissing his head coach, and telling everyone how much he hates the city he plays in. That takes up a lot of energy. Charles probably just worries about playing football to the best of his ability.

please tell us how you feel, CP. I agree that the Chief offense could use Charles' speed given the state of the offensive line.

 

[duaneok66]

I've been trying to get him the last few days, owner wouldn't deal. Pretty much forced my hand and had to deal LJ.Rice, Ray BAL RBfor Johnson, Larry KCC RBJones, Felix DAL RBCollie, Austin IND WRYear 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 4 Draft Pick Quite happy to be rid of LJ, and for that matter Felix. Picks hurt but you have to give to get. =)LJ has actually looked fairly good this year, but the o-line is realllllly bad. Charles has little chance to put up any kind of numbers. You'd had to be in a really bad spot to be starting Charles. Even if LJ is cut, they're drafting a RB next year. Charles has looked fairly average in his limited time.

did you get Ray Rice or Herschel Walker???

 

[Restricted]

I've been trying to get him the last few days, owner wouldn't deal. Pretty much forced my hand and had to deal LJ.Rice, Ray BAL RBfor Johnson, Larry KCC RBJones, Felix DAL RBCollie, Austin IND WRYear 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 4 Draft Pick Quite happy to be rid of LJ, and for that matter Felix. Picks hurt but you have to give to get. =)LJ has actually looked fairly good this year, but the o-line is realllllly bad. Charles has little chance to put up any kind of numbers. You'd had to be in a really bad spot to be starting Charles. Even if LJ is cut, they're drafting a RB next year. Charles has looked fairly average in his limited time.

did you get Ray Rice or Herschel Walker???

:(

 

[jon_mx]

News: With RB Larry Johnson told to keep away from the team while they investigate some negative comments he made recently, the Chiefs had RB Jamaal Charles running with the first-team offense on Tuesday during practice. Kansas City is on bye and won't play in Week 8 but could see Charles open as their primary rusher in Week 9 against the Jaguars. "I think Jamaal's starting to get it," Chiefs coach Todd Haley said Monday. "He's kind of growing on me."

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

He has limited value.

Ask yourself this...

What was M.Bush's value when McFadden went down? Is Bush worth more or less now? Is that situation that different from this one? Both guys have people saying that "if the starter in front of them goes down, they'll be good to go".

Charles has also been in Haley's doghouse this year being a healthy inactive in one game and unable to steal touches from Johnson despite the struggles of the KC running game.

Even if Johnson is gone, I expect Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage to get plenty of touches. Given how little a touch is worth in the Chiefs' offense, I wouldn't expect any back to have much value. I mean, how much value did Johnson have getting the lion's share of them?

Headcase issues aside, Johnson was in shape and working hard this season. The problem with that O is in the trenches and that isn't changing by a switch at ball carrier.

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7? Serious question. Chiefs homers, to this point - had Charles been getting most of his attempts via draws on passing downs, etc? I mean 2.7 to 5.0 yards a carry. That's night-n-day.

I can explain it - he's Mr. Long Down and Distance (Passing Down) AND Mr. Two Minute Drill.Here's his carries:

Week - Opponent - Qtr - Time - Down/Dist - Yardline - Description

1 BAL 2 01:09 2nd-and-9 opp 48 caught pass for 1 yards

1 BAL 2 12:03 3rd-and-5 own 34 rushed for 0 yards

1 BAL 2 01:37 1st-and-10 opp 49 rushed for 1 yards

1 BAL 2 01:59 1st-and-10 own 41 rushed for 10 yards (first down)

1 BAL 2 03:11 2nd-and-8 own 33 rushed for -3 yards

3 PHI 3 00:24 3rd-and-13 own 48 rushed for 4 yards

3 PHI 2 07:12 2nd-and-12 own 25 rushed for 6 yards

3 PHI 2 00:24 1st-and-10 own 26 rushed for 9 yards

3 PHI 3 13:19 3rd-and-20 own 16 rushed for 6 yards

3 PHI 4 03:57 2nd-and-16 opp 26 rushed for 3 yards

3 PHI 4 04:06 2nd-and-14 opp 24 rushed for 8 yards

4 NYG 1 11:59 2nd-and-8 own 23 rushed for 0 yards

4 NYG 4 00:14 1st-and-10 own 18 rushed for 24 yards (first down)

5 DAL 4 04:47 2nd-and-15 opp 37 rushed for 3 yards

5 DAL 2 01:36 2nd-and-1 own 21 rushed for -1 yards

5 DAL 1 01:41 1st-and-10 own 30 rushed for 7 yards

6 WASH 4 13:29 1st-and-10 own 15 rushed for 3 yards

6 WASH 4 04:19 3rd-and-10 opp 25 rushed for -2 yards

6 WASH 3 09:17 2nd-and-8 own 43 rushed for 0 yards

6 WASH 1 09:20 3rd-and-9 opp 41 rushed for 5 yards

7 SD 2 01:59 2nd-and-1 opp 48 rushed for 15 yards (first down)

7 SD 3 05:07 2nd-and-1 own 31 rushed for 5 yards (first down)

7 SD 4 09:52 3rd-and-22 own 28 rushed for 2 yards

7 SD 3 00:06 2nd-and-4 own 7 rushed for 11 yards (first down)

Of all his runs for > 4 yards (here they are):

Week - Opponent - Qtr - Time - Down/Dist - Yardline - Description

1 BAL 2 01:59 1st-and-10 own 41 rushed for 10 yards (first down)

3 PHI 2 07:12 2nd-and-12 own 25 rushed for 6 yards

3 PHI 2 00:24 1st-and-10 own 26 rushed for 9 yards

3 PHI 3 13:19 3rd-and-20 own 16 rushed for 6 yards

3 PHI 4 04:06 2nd-and-14 opp 24 rushed for 8 yards

4 NYG 4 00:14 1st-and-10 own 18 rushed for 24 yards (first down)

5 DAL 1 01:41 1st-and-10 own 30 rushed for 7 yards

6 WASH 1 09:20 3rd-and-9 opp 41 rushed for 5 yards

7 SD 2 01:59 2nd-and-1 opp 48 rushed for 15 yards (first down)

7 SD 3 05:07 2nd-and-1 own 31 rushed for 5 yards (first down)

7 SD 3 00:06 2nd-and-4 own 7 rushed for 11 yards (first down)

That's 11 carries out of 23 this season.

Note though that 3 of them were in the 2-minutes before the half and another big one (24 yards) came on 4th and long with the game well over against the Giants.

Also note that four more came on 2nd-and-12 or more three times and another on 3rd-and-9.

 

[duaneok66]

haven't seen enough of the Chiefs games to ascertain whether Charles is worth a high waiver pick (order never resets) . . .

is the OL that bad, or was it an uninterested LJ . . .

or both???

 

[jon_mx]

It is now Johnson who is in the doghouse and Jamaal working with the first team. It is Jamaal's job to lose right now.

 

[EdwardCat]

I smell big things on the horizon for Charles.

 

[Bojang0301]

Smith just returned to practice. The team probably isn't even sure if they'll play him this year. Savage and Charles are the pickups and probably only in deep leagues. I don't expect Haley to keep pounding the ball now that his personel will probably be changing.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I've been trying to get him the last few days, owner wouldn't deal. Pretty much forced my hand and had to deal LJ.Rice, Ray BAL RBfor Johnson, Larry KCC RBJones, Felix DAL RBCollie, Austin IND WRYear 2010 Round 1 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 2 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 3 Draft Pick Year 2010 Round 4 Draft Pick Quite happy to be rid of LJ, and for that matter Felix. Picks hurt but you have to give to get. =)LJ has actually looked fairly good this year, but the o-line is realllllly bad. Charles has little chance to put up any kind of numbers. You'd had to be in a really bad spot to be starting Charles. Even if LJ is cut, they're drafting a RB next year. Charles has looked fairly average in his limited time.

tell me your kidding..........

 

[the spanker]

Smith just returned to practice. The team probably isn't even sure if they'll play him this year. Savage and Charles are the pickups and probably only in deep leagues. I don't expect Haley to keep pounding the ball now that his personel will probably be changing.

Not to hijack, but do you think this is good news for Bowe overall then?

 

[Thanatos]

I anticipate a major jump in value for Jamaal Charles at this point.

Just submitted a trade offer to the Charles owner hoping he hasn't read any of the recent LJ news. My league is what I like to refer to as PPR light. (.5 PPR)

I give Calvin Johnson, Reggie Bush, and Cadillac Williams.

I get Vincent Jackson and Jamaal Charles.

 

[nyy45]

Just picked up Charles for McGahee

 

[JamesTheScot]

He has limited value.Ask yourself this...What was M.Bush's value when McFadden went down? Is Bush worth more or less now? Is that situation that different from this one? Both guys have people saying that "if the starter in front of them goes down, they'll be good to go".Charles has also been in Haley's doghouse this year being a healthy inactive in one game and unable to steal touches from Johnson despite the struggles of the KC running game.Even if Johnson is gone, I expect Kolby Smith and Dantrell Savage to get plenty of touches. Given how little a touch is worth in the Chiefs' offense, I wouldn't expect any back to have much value. I mean, how much value did Johnson have getting the lion's share of them?Headcase issues aside, Johnson was in shape and working hard this season. The problem with that O is in the trenches and that isn't changing by a switch at ball carrier.

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7? Serious question. Chiefs homers, to this point - had Charles been getting most of his attempts via draws on passing downs, etc? I mean 2.7 to 5.0 yards a carry. That's night-n-day.

Because he's had very limited touches and some situational advantages are skewing his numbers. He has 23 carries for 116 yards. Doesn't look too shabby, I admit.The problem I have is that half of his yards (58) have come on 6 carries in the last two minutes of the half. Plus, he's gotten 69 of those 116 yards when the Chiefs are down by 15+ points.If you think that his 23 carries are enough to judge his effectiveness, what about his 11 carries for 23 yards when the Chiefs are ahead, tied or behind 8 points or less and the D is still playing the run?Think of it this way, it's too soon to conclude that Haley is a blind idiot. So why hasn't Charles been getting more touches than he has given how ineffective Johnson has been? Why did Haley make Charles a healthy scratch early in the season? Why the rumors that Charles's window to prove his worth is closing?It just adds up to a guy with some speed making the most of it against D's that are sitting back guarding the pass. That's not all that impressive to me.I could be wrong, though. And someone is going to get those touches that Johnson has tossed away.

 

[Bojang0301]

Smith just returned to practice. The team probably isn't even sure if they'll play him this year. Savage and Charles are the pickups and probably only in deep leagues. I don't expect Haley to keep pounding the ball now that his personel will probably be changing.

Not to hijack, but do you think this is good news for Bowe overall then?

You gotta hope so but who knows. KC, overall, is just plain bad. I think Cassell is proving to be a good QB and if they go back to a shotgun/spread than it could spell good things.

 

[JamesTheScot]

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7?

I have a possible explanation.LJ is very busy beating up girlfriends, spitting on women, calling reporters f----ts, bragging about all his money, dissing fans, dissing his head coach, and telling everyone how much he hates the city he plays in. That takes up a lot of energy. Charles probably just worries about playing football to the best of his ability.

please tell us how you feel, CP. I agree that the Chief offense could use Charles' speed given the state of the offensive line.

I haven't been that impressed with his quickness and shiftiness. Track speed is so over-rated in football. Barry wasn't exceptional because of track speed, he got caught from behind plenty. It was his shiftiness and quickness in the phone booth, so to speak, that allowed him to gain yards behind a poor line. I haven't seen anything like that in Charles.It isn't that the o-line is opening holes that are closing before Johnson can get there, there are simply no holes. Speed isn't a remedy for that. Maybe Haley runs sweeps all day and just lets Charles try to beat everyone to the corner, but I doubt it.

 

[Hang 10]

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7?

I have a possible explanation.LJ is very busy beating up girlfriends, spitting on women, calling reporters f----ts, bragging about all his money, dissing fans, dissing his head coach, and telling everyone how much he hates the city he plays in. That takes up a lot of energy. Charles probably just worries about playing football to the best of his ability.

please tell us how you feel, CP. I agree that the Chief offense could use Charles' speed given the state of the offensive line.

I haven't been that impressed with his quickness and shiftiness. Track speed is so over-rated in football. Barry wasn't exceptional because of track speed, he got caught from behind plenty. It was his shiftiness and quickness in the phone booth, so to speak, that allowed him to gain yards behind a poor line. I haven't seen anything like that in Charles.It isn't that the o-line is opening holes that are closing before Johnson can get there, there are simply no holes. Speed isn't a remedy for that. Maybe Haley runs sweeps all day and just lets Charles try to beat everyone to the corner, but I doubt it.

So Charles isn't the next Barry Sanders? Thanks for the 411.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

That all may be true, but how do we explain the fact that Charles (on extremely limited touches) is gaining 5 yds a clip to LJ's 2.7?

I have a possible explanation.LJ is very busy beating up girlfriends, spitting on women, calling reporters f----ts, bragging about all his money, dissing fans, dissing his head coach, and telling everyone how much he hates the city he plays in. That takes up a lot of energy. Charles probably just worries about playing football to the best of his ability.

please tell us how you feel, CP. I agree that the Chief offense could use Charles' speed given the state of the offensive line.

I haven't been that impressed with his quickness and shiftiness. Track speed is so over-rated in football. Barry wasn't exceptional because of track speed, he got caught from behind plenty. It was his shiftiness and quickness in the phone booth, so to speak, that allowed him to gain yards behind a poor line. I haven't seen anything like that in Charles.It isn't that the o-line is opening holes that are closing before Johnson can get there, there are simply no holes. Speed isn't a remedy for that. Maybe Haley runs sweeps all day and just lets Charles try to beat everyone to the corner, but I doubt it.

Yeah, but I bet you wish you had him instead of putting that waiver claim in for Kolby Smith.

 

[zamboni]

While everyone is focusing on Charles, I have a feeling that the shark move, if he's activated, is to go after Kolby Smith. Seems to be more of a full-time back and has carried the load in the past before he got hurt.

 

[Banger]

While everyone is focusing on Charles, I have a feeling that the shark move, if he's activated, is to go after Kolby Smith. Seems to be more of a full-time back and has carried the load in the past before he got hurt.

I think that's a decent strategy as he'll likely get a number of carries but LJ is twice the back that Smith is and he was barely startable as a flex despite getting nearly 20 carries a game. Their line is just so attrocious that he'll likely avg 2.7 ypc and a TD every 6 weeks. The ONLY thing in their favor is a nice rushing matchup the rest of the year but then again SD was supposed to be a good one and they ran for about 50 yards. They're really horrible.

 

[zamboni]

While everyone is focusing on Charles, I have a feeling that the shark move, if he's activated, is to go after Kolby Smith. Seems to be more of a full-time back and has carried the load in the past before he got hurt.

I think that's a decent strategy as he'll likely get a number of carries but LJ is twice the back that Smith is and he was barely startable as a flex despite getting nearly 20 carries a game. Their line is just so attrocious that he'll likely avg 2.7 ypc and a TD every 6 weeks. The ONLY thing in their favor is a nice rushing matchup the rest of the year but then again SD was supposed to be a good one and they ran for about 50 yards. They're really horrible.

Agreed - the line appears tough for anyone running behind.If there's some silver lining, sometimes a running game just needs a new look/shot in the arm, and that could make a bit of a difference if the OL is blocking for someone that's trying to prove something.

 

[NatronIsMean]

Comparing Charles to Mewelde Moore (2008), Harrison (CLE) and Fred Jackson (BUF), when these scat back types get a chance they perform pretty damn well. It may be short-lived and I know that F-Jax is really more than a scat back, but given the situation, I could see Cassel getting used to check downs to a guy that will get him 5-8 yards a pop. We'll see, but when your line is bad and the opposing line is blitzing, Charles might be the perfect tonic to bring some balance.

In my 10 team PPR league, Mewelde saved my season last year... followed by Peyton Hillis carrying me to a playoff birth. You never know with these situations.

 

[rvmblack]

Comparing Charles to Mewelde Moore (2008), Harrison (CLE) and Fred Jackson (BUF), when these scat back types get a chance they perform pretty damn well. It may be short-lived and I know that F-Jax is really more than a scat back, but given the situation, I could see Cassel getting used to check downs to a guy that will get him 5-8 yards a pop. We'll see, but when your line is bad and the opposing line is blitzing, Charles might be the perfect tonic to bring some balance.In my 10 team PPR league, Mewelde saved my season last year... followed by Peyton Hillis carrying me to a playoff birth. You never know with these situations.

I can name others that didn't perform well. Brandon Jackson ring a bell? And Harrison's sample size is extremely small as a starter.

 

[BUTTER]

Kolby is practicing now too, should be interesting to see if they activate him to the roster.

KC prolly did not just release LJ and let him sign with NE or someone, but it should be funny to see what role if any he has after the 2 weeks is up.

 

[damageinc]

the team has 2 weeks to decide what to do with Kolby so for the next 2 weeks its just Charles and Savage as the backup. But Kolby coulndt even walk a few months ago. not so sure he will be playing football anytime soon.

Chiefs | Ko. Smith had to learn how to walk again Wed Oct 28, 08:46 PM

Josh Looney, of KCChiefs.com, reports Kansas City Chiefs RB Kolby Smith (knee) said he had to learn how to walk again while undergoing almost a full year of rehab on his knee. Smith said, "My leg was in a cast for six weeks straight. Then I had to learn how to bend it and lift it again. It was a whole bunch of stuff."

ANd speculation is the Chiefs suspended LJ so he cant go anywhere else. They feel his goal was to get out of KC. Didnt work. they will make him sit on the bench the rest of the year .

Johnson may only miss one game because the Chiefs are currently on a bye. He does lose two game checks worth roughly $660K. The Chiefs probably didn't release Johnson because doing so would've satisfied his wish to get out of Kansas City. Instead, they'll evaluate L.J.'s response to the punishment in two weeks while considering Jamaal Charles' play in the meantime. We still wouldn't bet on seeing Johnson in a Chiefs uniform again.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Charles basically has a one-week tryout against the Jaguars. Given Haley's recent comments about Charles coming on, I'd expect he'll get 15-20 touches in that game and his performance will go a long way toward figuring out how things shakeout for Weeks 10-17.

 

[the spanker]

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I can explain it - he's Mr. Long Down and Distance (Passing Down) AND Mr. Two Minute Drill.

Ok, I'll play. I pulled every touch in Charles's career from the game logs and then eliminated:1st down and more than 10 yards to go2nd down and more than 7 yards to go3rd down and more than 4 yards to goAll touches in the last two minutes of a halfLooking only at those touches, here's what you find:45 carries for 192 yards - 4.27 ypc9 receptions for 147 yards - 16.33 yprAnd while only six of those 45 carries were short yardage (2nd or 3rd down and one or two yards to go), he gained 44 yards and picked up five first downs in those situations.So while Charles may be too small to be a 3-down back, nothing he's done on the field so far rules it out. If anything there may actually be reason to be optimistic if you happen to own him.

 

[footballsavvy]

Rotoworld just posted this form the KC Star...

Kolby Smith (PUP, knee) is splitting first-team tailback reps with Jamaal Charles during the Chiefs' Week 8 bye.

With Larry Johnson suspended, this is a good indication that Smith will be activated from PUP before Week 9. Dantrell Savage doesn't appear to be in the plans. Charles figures to start against Jacksonville when the Chiefs return from their off week, with Smith perhaps getting some between-the-tackles carries. From there, Kansas City will probably ride the "hot hand."

 

[footballsavvy]

The problem with Kolby is that his stats are pretty bad when given the opportunity in the past. I'm not sure what why that would change now. Charles may seem just like Mewelde Moore or Jerome Harrison, but some of those guys can put up big numbers when given enough touches.

Also, its not impossible to be a fantasy stud as a 200lb running back. For example, his build is also similar to Brian Westbrook and Tiki Barber.

Granted, KC has a long way to go to be able to produce a fantasy stud RB, but just sayin.

 

[D'OHtis]

I think he could be a low RB2/RB3 option the rest of the year in PPR. He's a 12-15 touch a game back.

JMO There's no reason they should have been giving LJ in upwards of 20 carries/game. LJ average more than 3.3 ypc exactly once this season.

I don't expect LJ to be back. Losing him is no loss to an organization in full rebuild mode. I'd deactivate him every single game if I were Haley.

 

[Ray_T]

Comparing Charles to Mewelde Moore (2008), Harrison (CLE) and Fred Jackson (BUF), when these scat back types get a chance they perform pretty damn well. It may be short-lived and I know that F-Jax is really more than a scat back, but given the situation, I could see Cassel getting used to check downs to a guy that will get him 5-8 yards a pop. We'll see, but when your line is bad and the opposing line is blitzing, Charles might be the perfect tonic to bring some balance.In my 10 team PPR league, Mewelde saved my season last year... followed by Peyton Hillis carrying me to a playoff birth. You never know with these situations.

Cassel is the type of QB that needs a checkdown receiver. whether that receiver is a TE or a RB or a slot receiver I dont think this matters. currently he has no welker, and LJ is not a pass catching RB. Gonzo is gone, so at this point anyone who can catch the ball is likely welcome.I dont think LJ gets much (if any) play the rest of the year. He will be released in the offseason.

 

[ChuckLiddell]

I anticipate a major jump in value for Jamaal Charles at this point.Just submitted a trade offer to the Charles owner hoping he hasn't read any of the recent LJ news. My league is what I like to refer to as PPR light. (.5 PPR)I give Calvin Johnson, Reggie Bush, and Cadillac Williams.I get Vincent Jackson and Jamaal Charles.

Ewwww.I think Reggie Bush is pretty close to Charles' ceiling. If I am right, you are basically giving up Calvin and Caddy for Jackson, and chasing Charles' ceiling. Dont like that at all personally.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Comparing Charles to Mewelde Moore (2008), Harrison (CLE) and Fred Jackson (BUF), when these scat back types get a chance they perform pretty damn well. It may be short-lived and I know that F-Jax is really more than a scat back, but given the situation, I could see Cassel getting used to check downs to a guy that will get him 5-8 yards a pop. We'll see, but when your line is bad and the opposing line is blitzing, Charles might be the perfect tonic to bring some balance.In my 10 team PPR league, Mewelde saved my season last year... followed by Peyton Hillis carrying me to a playoff birth. You never know with these situations.

Cassel is the type of QB that needs a checkdown receiver. whether that receiver is a TE or a RB or a slot receiver I dont think this matters. currently he has no welker, and LJ is not a pass catching RB. Gonzo is gone, so at this point anyone who can catch the ball is likely welcome.I dont think LJ gets much (if any) play the rest of the year. He will be released in the offseason.

What were kevin faulks recieving #`s when cassel was in new england i wonder ?

 

[zamboni]

Maybe it's just Haley's style, but he's not exactly giving Charles an endorsement as a full-time back as of now:

Q: How comfortable would you be entering a game with Jamaal Charles as your primary back? Is he an every-down back?

HALEY: “As I said, running back is a position of strength for us. The fact that Kolby is coming around is an exciting thing for me because I think he’s got a chance to be decent. But that’s a position of strength for us but we haven’t been where we need to be obviously. I think we’ve worked hard at running the ball but really the results aren’t there right now. Again, this week is a great week to really improve that aspect of our offense. With this team running the ball is something we’re going to have to do successfully to compete every week.”

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2009/10/28/qa...dd_haley__1028/