Jamaal Charles value? (1 Viewer)

[mydixie]

The timing of the LJ suspension and Kolby Smith returning to practice is interesting. This is comparable to not breaking up with your GF until you find a new one and, as soon as you do the old is told to stay away from your facility while you give the new one a test drive.

I say:LJ is done, Charles gets majority of work while Smith is slowly takes over.

Whoever gets the lions share is still not startable if you have a decent team. LJ, Charles, and Smith are not the missing piece of any championship puzzle.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

HALEY: “As I said, running back is a position of strength for us.

Anyone know if Haley's pants were actually on fire when he uttered that?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Jamaal Charles-RB- Chiefs Oct. 29 - 11:25 am et

Now that Larry Johnson has been suspended for two weeks, Jamaal Charles is expected to start after the Chiefs' bye in Week 9.

Charles should get a good matchup against the Jaguars in his first start, and who knows if or when Johnson will be back after that. Charles is an explosive player who should rostered in all leagues and has PPR talent. But Kolby Smith, still on the PUP, has the profile of someone who could handle more carries. "I want the ball. I want to make plays ... I’m a winner. I make stuff happen," Charles said.

 

[Mr. Anonymous]

Does anyone think Charles or Smith have any particular dynasty value. Sounds like the general consensus is "not really."

I'm in a two keeper league - although one of them is in lieu of a 5th round pick - so "dynasty value" is pretty restrictive (if he's not plausibly a 5th round pick next year, he has no value beyond this year).

thanks

 

[Couch Potato]

Does anyone think Charles or Smith have any particular dynasty value. Sounds like the general consensus is "not really."I'm in a two keeper league - although one of them is in lieu of a 5th round pick - so "dynasty value" is pretty restrictive (if he's not plausibly a 5th round pick next year, he has no value beyond this year). thanks

A lot will depend on how the rest of the season plays out. It would be easy to assume they draft the future RB in 2010, but they have so many needs on the OL and on defense that a high RB pick is a luxury they probably can't afford. It's hard to expect much out of either of them given their OL issues, but if Charles or Smith can emerge as a viable solution, even for just next year, then there is value.

 

[Restricted]

So after seeing the speedy Blue Jesus shred the Jags, anyone brave enough to play Charles as a RB2? Who would you/wouldn't start him over this week?

 

[ATC1]

In redraft league the LJ owner offered me R. Moats for J. Charles. With KC's offense, I'm wondering who the breakout canidate is of these two?

 

[EdwardCat]

I will probably start him over the slumping Antonio Gates.

 

[davearm]

So after seeing the speedy Blue Jesus shred the Jags, anyone brave enough to play Charles as a RB2? Who would you/wouldn't start him over this week?

This week I'd put Charles in the same general neighborhood as someone like Moreno vs. PIT.

 

[frogpond11]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

 

[the spanker]

The tempting thing about Charles is, by all reports he's in slate to start and have the lions share of touches against a suspect run D that was torched last week--edit.

While I know we are talking about KC's OL here, something has to be said about a starting RB who is a good receiver in PPR leagues.

I'm leaning on starting him over Westbrook/McCoy. Westy coming back from the concussion and I just don't know how effective he will be or how many touches he'll have.

 

[Banger]

In redraft league the LJ owner offered me R. Moats for J. Charles. With KC's offense, I'm wondering who the breakout canidate is of these two?

I'd take Moats and run....

 

[Banger]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

 

[FantasyMan]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

 

[Banger]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

This is funny. Thanks Mr. Charles.

 

[EdwardCat]

Charles can catch the ball. Even if he doesn't get the great carries, he's a threat out of the backfield as a receiver. He's more adept at that than Johnson ever was. I'd say, at this point, he's a decent start as a RB2 in PPR leagues as long as the matchup permits. This week is a great example. Even if KC gets down against JAX, which they invariably will, Charles is still very much a factor as they can toss him screens and other types of dink and dunk stuff.

 

[zamboni]

As others have mentioned, if nothing else, Charles should be active in the passing game, but I'd be a bit concerned about how many of the carries go to Kolby Smith - particularly in short yardage/goal line situations (if there are any).

 

[Abstract]

So after seeing the speedy Blue Jesus shred the Jags, anyone brave enough to play Charles as a RB2? Who would you/wouldn't start him over this week?

I'm starting Charles over Portis this week as my #2 RB in a non-ppr league.

 

[FFCrazy]

With S. Jackson on a BYE, I'm starting him as my Flex/RB2. In PPR scoring, I'm hoping he'll finish top 20 out of RB's next week, and who knows, maybe he takes a quick dump off to the house. I can dream can't I?

I think more importantly, he most likely won't put up a doughnut.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Mr. Charles, I'm really happy for your son and I'ma let you finish, but Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

 

[timschochet]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

I hope you're right, but you used "amazing" three times.

 

[Sonny Lubick Blowup Doll]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

He sounds AMAZING.

 

[platapie]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

He sounds AMAZING.

With Lynch and Peterson on a bye, and Bradshaw being all banged the F up, I'm starting Charles as my #1.. woo.

 

[Brutis]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

You have no idea how bad I want to start Jamaal but I would have to sit Ronnie or DWil to do it. After Ronnies game against NYJ its tempting.

 

[Neo]

My biggest concern with the guy is fumbles....if he can get that under control I think he'll do just fine....IF.

 

[Moniker]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

I'm (or so I thought) one of the biggest Charles supporters in here and expect big things from him in his career, but even I have to say that FantasyMan should temper his expectations a bit.

 

[Moniker]

My biggest concern with the guy is fumbles....if he can get that under control I think he'll do just fine....IF.

The media likes to blow things like this up. He only has 3 fumbles in his career. Two last year and one this year on a kickoff.

 

[Neo]

My biggest concern with the guy is fumbles....if he can get that under control I think he'll do just fine....IF.

The media likes to blow things like this up. He only has 3 fumbles in his career. Two last year and one this year on a kickoff.

Wow....really? I wasn't even going by the media....I'm not the biggest stat guy but I've owned him in a couple of dynasties since he came in and I remember seeing a lot of fumbles in the box scores...maybe I'm including preseason as well.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

OK...so CJ tore up the Jags all by himself with his speed but JC can't have success against them because he's...what...slow? JC was the fastest player in college football his junior year, having run a 10.1 100m. Basically, there's a bit of a debate ( http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/archiv...php/t-8540.html ) as to which of these guys is faster, with the consensus seeming to be that Jonson is quicker in the 40y (4.2 to 4.3) and Charles is quicker in the 100m (10.1 to10.38), and that Johnson is a bit quicker in pads, probably because he's a bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. The boittom line here, though, is that both of these guys are freaking fast and among the fastest players in the NFL.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

My biggest concern with the guy is fumbles....if he can get that under control I think he'll do just fine....IF.

The media likes to blow things like this up. He only has 3 fumbles in his career. Two last year and one this year on a kickoff.

Wow....really? I wasn't even going by the media....I'm not the biggest stat guy but I've owned him in a couple of dynasties since he came in and I remember seeing a lot of fumbles in the box scores...maybe I'm including preseason as well.

He was a bit fumble-prone in college. That's probably his biggest liability as a rb. Cost Texas a win against OU...otherwise they'd have 5 straight.

 

[Banger]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

OK...so CJ tore up the Jags all by himself with his speed but JC can't have success against them because he's...what...slow? JC was the fastest player in college football his junior year, having run a 10.1 100m. Basically, there's a bit of a debate ( http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/archiv...php/t-8540.html ) as to which of these guys is faster, with the consensus seeming to be that Jonson is quicker in the 40y (4.2 to 4.3) and Charles is quicker in the 100m (10.1 to10.38), and that Johnson is a bit quicker in pads, probably because he's a bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. The boittom line here, though, is that both of these guys are freaking fast and among the fastest players in the NFL.

One is an all-pro and the other is LJs backup. Charles may be a track star but hasn't displayed it on the football field and his longest run in 90 carries is 30 yards. In 119 carries this year CJ has 8 30+ yard runs (32, 57, 91, 30, 40, 48, 52, 89). It's apples and oranges.

 

[Otis]

Holy crap. I didn't realize Charles was this fast...

 

[the hairy scotsman]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

OK...so CJ tore up the Jags all by himself with his speed but JC can't have success against them because he's...what...slow? JC was the fastest player in college football his junior year, having run a 10.1 100m. Basically, there's a bit of a debate ( http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/archiv...php/t-8540.html ) as to which of these guys is faster, with the consensus seeming to be that Jonson is quicker in the 40y (4.2 to 4.3) and Charles is quicker in the 100m (10.1 to10.38), and that Johnson is a bit quicker in pads, probably because he's a bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. The boittom line here, though, is that both of these guys are freaking fast and among the fastest players in the NFL.

One is an all-pro and the other is LJs backup. Charles may be a track star but hasn't displayed it on the football field and his longest run in 90 carries is 30 yards. In 119 carries this year CJ has 8 30+ yard runs. It's apples and oranges.

He's not really a track star in the sense I think most people think of them. He was more of a football player running track. You shoulda seen him run track. Compared to those smooth track guys, he looked all elbows and knees, and he still kicked their arses. If he would have spent time at track working on technique, he coulda really been scary fast. I'm not saying he has CJ's talent, though. I'm just saying he's very talented, and just because he's been #2 on the depth chart behind LJ doesn't diminish that at all, imho.

 

[Banger]

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

OK...so CJ tore up the Jags all by himself with his speed but JC can't have success against them because he's...what...slow? JC was the fastest player in college football his junior year, having run a 10.1 100m. Basically, there's a bit of a debate ( http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/archiv...php/t-8540.html ) as to which of these guys is faster, with the consensus seeming to be that Jonson is quicker in the 40y (4.2 to 4.3) and Charles is quicker in the 100m (10.1 to10.38), and that Johnson is a bit quicker in pads, probably because he's a bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. The boittom line here, though, is that both of these guys are freaking fast and among the fastest players in the NFL.

One is an all-pro and the other is LJs backup. Charles may be a track star but hasn't displayed it on the football field and his longest run in 90 carries is 30 yards. In 119 carries this year CJ has 8 30+ yard runs. It's apples and oranges.

He's not really a track star in the sense I think most people think of them. He was more of a football player running track. You should seen him run track. Compared to those smooth track guys, he looked all elbows and knees, and he still kicked their arses. If he would have spent time at track working on technique, he coulda really been scary fast. I'm not saying he has CJ's talent, though. I'm just saying he's very talented, and just because he's been #2 on the depth chart behind LJ doesn't diminish that at all, imho.

To me, the cream rises to the top. This year from the start of training camp everyone who watched this team knew they were going to be a total disaster. New coaching staff, GM, trade Gonzo, the whole bit, total complete rebuild...then you have a knucklehead RB in LJ who was suspended last year, wanted to be traded in the offseason, etc. and you have a guy in Charles who is a 2nd year player that was drafted rather high. This was the perfect opportunity for the staff to see what they had in Charles and no one would blame them, it makes too much sense. Instead they've muddled through the season with LJ avgeraging a ridiculously bad 2.7 ypc and getting 85% of the carries (compared to 15% for Charles). Do they look to give the ball to Charles? Nope, in fact they deactivated him for a game and there were questions whether he would be deactivated for other games. Sometimes your stuck behind a guy on the depth chart and there's nothing you can do about it but in this particular case if he had anything to offer I can't understand for the life of me why they wouldn't roll with him. They have absolutely no allegiance to LJ, this coach traded an icon in Gonzo and benched/demoted their best player in Bowe, yet they don't give Charles a sniff....why?I've watched a number of KC games over the past 2 years and there is nothing to me that I've seen that would indicate that this kid is a star in waiting. If that were the case I think the coaching staff want to get him on the field as much as possible as opposed to having to play Charles because their crappy starting RB did another stupid thing to get himself suspended. Even still there's a lot of talk that K. Smith who's coming off the PUP this week and hasn't taken a snap all year could take a lot of the carries. As a waiver pick-up that's fine, take a shot but I would be absolutely shocked if Charles amounted to anything.

 

[Bad_Mo]

With SJax on a BYE, I'm seriously considering Charles at my flex spot over Housh but Housh is playing DET. Good situation to be in, IMO.

 

[BUTTER]

Kolby is the better inside runner, this will be fun to see what happens. It is sure to help fantasy teams in trouble at RB as I think one or both will have some good games.

 

[Colts Win]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Mr. Charles, I'm really happy for your son and I'ma let you finish, but Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

I saw what you did there.

 

[the hairy scotsman]

To me, the cream rises to the top. This year from the start of training camp everyone who watched this team knew they were going to be a total disaster. New coaching staff, GM, trade Gonzo, the whole bit, total complete rebuild...then you have a knucklehead RB in LJ who was suspended last year, wanted to be traded in the offseason, etc. and you have a guy in Charles who is a 2nd year player that was drafted rather high. This was the perfect opportunity for the staff to see what they had in Charles and no one would blame them, it makes too much sense. Instead they've muddled through the season with LJ avgeraging a ridiculously bad 2.7 ypc and getting 85% of the carries (compared to 15% for Charles). Do they look to give the ball to Charles? Nope, in fact they deactivated him for a game and there were questions whether he would be deactivated for other games. Sometimes your stuck behind a guy on the depth chart and there's nothing you can do about it but in this particular case if he had anything to offer I can't understand for the life of me why they wouldn't roll with him. They have absolutely no allegiance to LJ, this coach traded an icon in Gonzo and benched/demoted their best player in Bowe, yet they don't give Charles a sniff....why?I've watched a number of KC games over the past 2 years and there is nothing to me that I've seen that would indicate that this kid is a star in waiting. If that were the case I think the coaching staff want to get him on the field as much as possible as opposed to having to play Charles because their crappy starting RB did another stupid thing to get himself suspended. Even still there's a lot of talk that K. Smith who's coming off the PUP this week and hasn't taken a snap all year could take a lot of the carries. As a waiver pick-up that's fine, take a shot but I would be absolutely shocked if Charles amounted to anything.

OK... ...we'll see how it all shakes out.

 

[Banger]

Kolby is the better inside runner, this will be fun to see what happens. It is sure to help fantasy teams in trouble at RB as I think one or both will have some good games.

I don't know...through 7 games for both Charles and LJ they've had one game where either one has scored more than 10 pts (11.6 by LJ). They do have some decent matchups but their offense is just horrible.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Kolby is the better inside runner, this will be fun to see what happens. It is sure to help fantasy teams in trouble at RB as I think one or both will have some good games.

I don't know...through 7 games for both Charles and LJ they've had one game where either one has scored more than 10 pts (11.6 by LJ). They do have some decent matchups but their offense is just horrible.

Yeah, but have you SEEN that new sign in the locker room?That alone adds an extra 5 points per game to all KC players going forward.

 

[Banger]

Kolby is the better inside runner, this will be fun to see what happens. It is sure to help fantasy teams in trouble at RB as I think one or both will have some good games.

I don't know...through 7 games for both Charles and LJ they've had one game where either one has scored more than 10 pts (11.6 by LJ). They do have some decent matchups but their offense is just horrible.

Yeah, but have you SEEN that new sign in the locker room?That alone adds an extra 5 points per game to all KC players going forward.

He should have thought of that earlier....hey guys we all need to work together and work harder.....group hug!!

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

I'm (or so I thought) one of the biggest Charles supporters in here and expect big things from him in his career, but even I have to say that FantasyMan should temper his expectations a bit.

One of the most painful memories I have was seeing Marcus Allen in a Chiefs jersey. While he didn't rack up all his stats with the Chiefs, I still say him donning the uniform makes him the best KC running back of all time. The only Hall of Famer RB the Chiefs can claim to have in Canton.No arguing Priest's stats as a Chief, though honestly, I enjoyed watching Okoye run more.Back to one of the topics on hand, can certainly see Kolby come in to steal some short yard/GL carries, but I can see the Chiefs wanting to give him more work to see more about what he has to offer. On the other hand, his last meaningful playing time came way back in 07 in relief of an injured LJ and a retiring Holmes. I wonder how rusty he is going to be even inf he has been trying to keep in shape while listed as PUP and practicing these last weeks.

 

[DoctorFantasy]

From rotoworld:

Jamaal Charles-RB-Chiefs Nov. 4 - 4:42 pm et

Coach Todd Haley said Wednesday that he is "hopeful" Jamaal Charles will "grab this (Week 9 starting) opportunity by the horns."

"He’s got a great opportunity here and I know he’s excited. He had a good day today," Haley said after practice. The Chiefs seem to be hoping Charles plays well enough to become their lead back for the rest of 2009. In Week 9, he faces a Jaguars defense that consistently struggles against speedier backs.

Source: kcchiefs.com

 

[Das Boot]

Kolby is the better inside runner, this will be fun to see what happens. It is sure to help fantasy teams in trouble at RB as I think one or both will have some good games.

I don't know...through 7 games for both Charles and LJ they've had one game where either one has scored more than 10 pts (11.6 by LJ). They do have some decent matchups but their offense is just horrible.

Yeah, but have you SEEN that new sign in the locker room?That alone adds an extra 5 points per game to all KC players going forward.

Only the TEAM players.The loners get -3.5 points going forward

 

[brobe4]

Charles should be a upgrade at RB for KC.( if he can hold on to the ball)

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

I'm (or so I thought) one of the biggest Charles supporters in here and expect big things from him in his career, but even I have to say that FantasyMan should temper his expectations a bit.

One of the most painful memories I have was seeing Marcus Allen in a Chiefs jersey. While he didn't rack up all his stats with the Chiefs, I still say him donning the uniform makes him the best KC running back of all time. The only Hall of Famer RB the Chiefs can claim to have in Canton.No arguing Priest's stats as a Chief, though honestly, I enjoyed watching Okoye run more.Back to one of the topics on hand, can certainly see Kolby come in to steal some short yard/GL carries, but I can see the Chiefs wanting to give him more work to see more about what he has to offer. On the other hand, his last meaningful playing time came way back in 07 in relief of an injured LJ and a retiring Holmes. I wonder how rusty he is going to be even inf he has been trying to keep in shape while listed as PUP and practicing these last weeks.

Mike GarrettChristian OkoyePriest HomesAll better in terms of how they played while actually with the Chiefs.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Well, he has 5.0 ypc this year, had 5.3 ypc last year.That says something. Thought he was great at UT.

 

[Big Kahuna]

The biggest concern I have for Charles is if he can take the punishment running between the tackles. At Texas, he ran a lot around the end or had huge holes up the middle. He's got world class speed, I'm just not sure that he is a 20 touch per game back. I always saw him as a 3rd down back in the NFL, while watching him in college. Maybe we'll find out if he can handle running between the tackles. He will have quite a challenge behind that O-Line in KC.

 

[MCguidance]

name='Banger' date='Nov 4 2009, 01:35 PM' post='11064192']

tough call...i've got Jamaal Charles on my bench, but looking at what CJ did to JAX...it's tempting to start Charles this week. I can start 3 RBs...I've got these 3 starting right now: MJD vs KC, Benson vs BAL, and LT vs NYG....but it is tempting to maybe swap out Charles for LT....hmmmmm

CJ ran like that against the Jags because he has talent that few in the league possess. He made those plays himself with his tremendous speed. KC is absolutely horrible and putting Charles in there isn't going to change anything IMO, if that were the case he would've been playing more because LJ wasn't lighting it up. I think you're looking at a stat line of 13-41 and 3-22....

OK...so CJ tore up the Jags all by himself with his speed but JC can't have success against them because he's...what...slow? JC was the fastest player in college football his junior year, having run a 10.1 100m. Basically, there's a bit of a debate ( http://www.broncosforums.com/forums/archiv...php/t-8540.html ) as to which of these guys is faster, with the consensus seeming to be that Jonson is quicker in the 40y (4.2 to 4.3) and Charles is quicker in the 100m (10.1 to10.38), and that Johnson is a bit quicker in pads, probably because he's a bit bigger if I'm not mistaken. The boittom line here, though, is that both of these guys are freaking fast and among the fastest players in the NFL.

One is an all-pro and the other is LJs backup. Charles may be a track star but hasn't displayed it on the football field and his longest run in 90 carries is 30 yards. In 119 carries this year CJ has 8 30+ yard runs. It's apples and oranges.

He's not really a track star in the sense I think most people think of them. He was more of a football player running track. You should seen him run track. Compared to those smooth track guys, he looked all elbows and knees, and he still kicked their arses. If he would have spent time at track working on technique, he coulda really been scary fast. I'm not saying he has CJ's talent, though. I'm just saying he's very talented, and just because he's been #2 on the depth chart behind LJ doesn't diminish that at all, imho.

To me, the cream rises to the top. This year from the start of training camp everyone who watched this team knew they were going to be a total disaster. New coaching staff, GM, trade Gonzo, the whole bit, total complete rebuild...then you have a knucklehead RB in LJ who was suspended last year, wanted to be traded in the offseason, etc. and you have a guy in Charles who is a 2nd year player that was drafted rather high. This was the perfect opportunity for the staff to see what they had in Charles and no one would blame them, it makes too much sense. Instead they've muddled through the season with LJ avgeraging a ridiculously bad 2.7 ypc and getting 85% of the carries (compared to 15% for Charles). Do they look to give the ball to Charles? Nope, in fact they deactivated him for a game and there were questions whether he would be deactivated for other games. Sometimes your stuck behind a guy on the depth chart and there's nothing you can do about it but in this particular case if he had anything to offer I can't understand for the life of me why they wouldn't roll with him. They have absolutely no allegiance to LJ, this coach traded an icon in Gonzo and benched/demoted their best player in Bowe, yet they don't give Charles a sniff....why?I've watched a number of KC games over the past 2 years and there is nothing to me that I've seen that would indicate that this kid is a star in waiting. If that were the case I think the coaching staff want to get him on the field as much as possible as opposed to having to play Charles because their crappy starting RB did another stupid thing to get himself suspended. Even still there's a lot of talk that K. Smith who's coming off the PUP this week and hasn't taken a snap all year could take a lot of the carries. As a waiver pick-up that's fine, take a shot but I would be absolutely shocked if Charles amounted to anything.

Good post, but where do you see monetary commitment fitting in?

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

Charles is an amazing athlete and runner. I have watched him play since college. He is going to have an amazing career and after this week Chiefs fans will be scratching their heads trying to remember Priest Holmes name. Get Charles on your fantasy teams now because it is going to take an amazing payday to get the guy once everyone gets to see him play.

Priest Holmes was the best Kansas City running back of all time.

I'm (or so I thought) one of the biggest Charles supporters in here and expect big things from him in his career, but even I have to say that FantasyMan should temper his expectations a bit.

One of the most painful memories I have was seeing Marcus Allen in a Chiefs jersey. While he didn't rack up all his stats with the Chiefs, I still say him donning the uniform makes him the best KC running back of all time. The only Hall of Famer RB the Chiefs can claim to have in Canton.No arguing Priest's stats as a Chief, though honestly, I enjoyed watching Okoye run more.Back to one of the topics on hand, can certainly see Kolby come in to steal some short yard/GL carries, but I can see the Chiefs wanting to give him more work to see more about what he has to offer. On the other hand, his last meaningful playing time came way back in 07 in relief of an injured LJ and a retiring Holmes. I wonder how rusty he is going to be even inf he has been trying to keep in shape while listed as PUP and practicing these last weeks.

Mike GarrettChristian OkoyePriest HomesAll better in terms of how they played while actually with the Chiefs.

Note that I did qualify my remark by saying most of Allen's greatness was realized in Oakland, but IMO you're still not entirely right.While on the Chiefs:Allen (5 yrs) -- 4 ypc, 44 TDs, 141 rec, 8.2 y/r, 3 recTDsOkoye (6 yrs) -- 3.9 ypc, 40 TDs, 42 rec, 7 y/rec, 0 recTDsGarrett (5 yrs) had a slightly better ypc 4.4, 20 less rushing TDs, and an 8.7 y/r off the same number of receptions as Allen, with 7 recTDs. But he (and Okoye for that matter) was on KC at the prime of his career, while Allen was on the Chiefs after 11 years on the Raiders.