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Any observations from people who watched the game today?
How did Starks actually look?
				
			How did Starks actually look?
He ran well and there is reason to think he can have a big impact with the Packers next year.Any observations from people who watched the game today?How did Starks actually look?
I'm asking because I really don't know... is Grant not expected to be in the picture next year?Starks looked really good. As I and alot said you might be weery of starting him for fantasy purposes with Jackson getting the recpetions and Kuhn the GL and short yardage but for "real" footbal I think the Packers found there future running back. Very nice game for Starks. I would expect him to have the most carries going forward. Just the 3 way RBBC thing is a fantasy killer.
Starks makes Eddie George seem like Barry Sanders.Starks looked good not great. He runs upright ala Eddie George/Robert Smith.
You seem not to grasp the meaning of the word improbable.It won't change the FACT that you were wrong.And it was improbable.Seems most people out there could see that, but you are still arguing about it.And it is always fun watching you obsess over me though and all that I say.And Im glad he had a good game...I hope he tears it up the rest of the year showing me and others were wrong to doubt he could do it this year.It won't change the FACT that in September it was improbable given his injuries and what was going on.I said he could have an impact this year and you said it was improbable. Keep going, sho....it is fun as always with you!So you don't think a guy on the PUP that hadn't played football in about 2 years was improbable to make an impact as a rookie?Are you really trying to argue that?Are you that desperate to argue with me that you are going to claim that?
Whats legendary is that its always you, phase, and ookie that have to chime in with little to say on topic and always about me.I knew you wouldn't disappoint.sho thinks he knows all when it comes to football and the Packers. His meltdowns here are legendary.at this argument.
Dude 1: I think ____ might happen.
Dude 2: Highly unlikely because of ____.
...two months pass...
Dude 1: It happened! You were so wrong! Let's argue!
Exactly...don't worry though, its just the obsession of a few with me. Because I am opinionated and post (alot) in Packer topics.There are some who can't handle it and will look for any reason they can find to bash me (like bringing up posts from September).As the season went on and he was removed from the pup, GB made no moves, and kept him around, it obviously become more likely he would get some time.It took Jackson continuing to suck and Nance to get a concussion for him to get in.Im more surprised McCarthy finally gave a running back 18 carries.You seem not to grasp the meaning of the word improbable.It won't change the FACT that you were wrong.And it was improbable.Seems most people out there could see that, but you are still arguing about it.And it is always fun watching you obsess over me though and all that I say.And Im glad he had a good game...I hope he tears it up the rest of the year showing me and others were wrong to doubt he could do it this year.It won't change the FACT that in September it was improbable given his injuries and what was going on.I said he could have an impact this year and you said it was improbable. Keep going, sho....it is fun as always with you!So you don't think a guy on the PUP that hadn't played football in about 2 years was improbable to make an impact as a rookie?Are you really trying to argue that?Are you that desperate to argue with me that you are going to claim that?
No doubt that Jackson and Kuhn are still in the picture, but I think it may be premature to say that Starks won't be fantasy relevant in his own right. As well all know from the banter in this thread, this was Starks' first game in two years so they probably didn't throw too much at him right away. In fact, I just read that McCarthly planned to give him 8-10 carries, but Starks got better as the game went along.I could see Jackson continue to be the receiving back, but wouldn't be surprised to see Starks get short yardage carries. Would be curious if anyone knows how Starks' receiving abilities are.Starks looked really good. As I and alot said you might be weery of starting him for fantasy purposes with Jackson getting the recpetions and Kuhn the GL and short yardage but for "real" footbal I think the Packers found there future running back. Very nice game for Starks. I would expect him to have the most carries going forward. Just the 3 way RBBC thing is a fantasy killer.Hes not going to help that much for fantasy BUT again its good for the packers . They need a back who can get 4 YPC and rush 18-80 type games.Something would have to happen to Jackson and Kuhn for Starks to really be Fantasy Relevant
Zero targets (which at least tells us something about how the coaches see his recieving skills)I think it will be the three headed monster as of now, but don't be suprised if the "hot hand" ends up with the most in any given gameBJ will get the pass plays (because he is the best pass blocker)Kuhn will get short yardage (Fullback John Kuhn was given the ball four times in third-and-1 situations and converted every time)Starks the most carriesedit - forgot about Nance - he will get yardage too end editTD's? I think Kuhn might get the most.edit - so...depending on any of them is probably a fools game, except BJ will always get you some recpts. Plus next year with Grant? Packers RB to this point are not worth carrying, and I was one of the BJ will rock your world people when Grant went down. end editWould be curious if anyone knows how Starks' receiving abilities are.
Which has me wondering why they got away from him in recent weeks.Kuhn will get short yardage (Fullback John Kuhn was given the ball four times in third-and-1 situations and converted every time)
Just watched him on Short Cuts & Starks is an impressive runner. Very good after contact & has a knack for falling forward. Kinda reminds me of Marcus Allen in a way.What's exciting is there's no way Starks can even have his legs fully under him yet. The Pack may very well have their feature back of the future, IMO. We'll see what happens with Grant, but this kid is a player.
 That is exactly the comparison I was thinking. If Starks has any where near Marcus' talent I will be very happy he is a Packer.
  That is exactly the comparison I was thinking. If Starks has any where near Marcus' talent I will be very happy he is a Packer.I'd say that's a good comparison stylistically: upright, glider, decent size to break tackles. Eric Dickerson (extreme end of stylistic spectrum)--Marcus Allen---Eddie George/Robert Smith--James StarksYou could probably add Chris Brown a few others...Just watched him on Short Cuts & Starks is an impressive runner. Very good after contact & has a knack for falling forward. Kinda reminds me of Marcus Allen in a way.What's exciting is there's no way Starks can even have his legs fully under him yet. The Pack may very well have their feature back of the future, IMO. We'll see what happens with Grant, but this kid is a player.That is exactly the comparison I was thinking. If Starks has any where near Marcus' talent I will be very happy he is a Packer.
That stat line by carry probably isn't all that different among most RBs not named Jamaal Charles.How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
Phase contibuted to the topic that Starks could have an impact this season and you felt the need to tell him it was improbable and it turns out your prediction was wrong.Whats legendary is that its always you, phase, and ookie that have to chime in with little to say on topic and always about me.I knew you wouldn't disappoint.sho thinks he knows all when it comes to football and the Packers. His meltdowns here are legendary.at this argument.
Dude 1: I think ____ might happen.
Dude 2: Highly unlikely because of ____.
...two months pass...
Dude 1: It happened! You were so wrong! Let's argue!
I don't think I know it all, I do believe I do know quite a bit about the Packers.
Are you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
Because this is a simplified and inaccurate way of analyzing a running back. It doesn't reveal the situations in which a runner gained those yards. This is why fantasy owners will continue to miss on quality players that develop into fantasy starters but don't put up numbers separated by commas in a series that they imagine is impressive without watching a football game or watching, but not knowing what to look for.How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
So you never bump posts from the past or question people here?Exactly...don't worry though, its just the obsession of a few with me. Because I am opinionated and post (alot) in Packer topics.There are some who can't handle it and will look for any reason they can find to bash me (like bringing up posts from September).

How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
My prediction was it was improbable...and it was given the injury situation and so on.Its still hilarious that you don't see this.Phase contibuted to the topic that Starks could have an impact this season and you felt the need to tell him it was improbable and it turns out your prediction was wrong.Whats legendary is that its always you, phase, and ookie that have to chime in with little to say on topic and always about me.I knew you wouldn't disappoint.sho thinks he knows all when it comes to football and the Packers. His meltdowns here are legendary.at this argument.
Dude 1: I think ____ might happen.
Dude 2: Highly unlikely because of ____.
...two months pass...
Dude 1: It happened! You were so wrong! Let's argue!
I don't think I know it all, I do believe I do know quite a bit about the Packers.
I don't believe I do bump month old posts.Do I question people here? Yes. Never claimed I didn't...so save your wholeSo you never bump posts from the past or question people here?Exactly...don't worry though, its just the obsession of a few with me. Because I am opinionated and post (alot) in Packer topics.There are some who can't handle it and will look for any reason they can find to bash me (like bringing up posts from September).
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 .Take the bickering out to the bike racks, kids. The rest of us aren't interested, and just want to talk about Starks' future.
 Im sorry that I do continue to respond to these people...
  Im sorry that I do continue to respond to these people...According to Elias, Starks' 73 rushing yards were the most by a Packers rookie running back in his first game since Ralph Earhart had 78 at Boston on Sept. 17, 1948.My prediction was it was improbable...and it was given the injury situation and so on.Its still hilarious that you don't see this.Phase contibuted to the topic that Starks could have an impact this season and you felt the need to tell him it was improbable and it turns out your prediction was wrong.Whats legendary is that its always you, phase, and ookie that have to chime in with little to say on topic and always about me.I knew you wouldn't disappoint.sho thinks he knows all when it comes to football and the Packers. His meltdowns here are legendary.at this argument.
Dude 1: I think ____ might happen.
Dude 2: Highly unlikely because of ____.
...two months pass...
Dude 1: It happened! You were so wrong! Let's argue!
I don't think I know it all, I do believe I do know quite a bit about the Packers.
Hell, you probably would have agreed with it earlier in the year...but you won't admit that will you?
Yes, phase did contribute...as did I...you came in (just as I said) to snipe...because that is what you do. Phase does it too (check the latest Favre thread where he has not posted one single thing on the topic).
Now...care to stop the sniping and actually discuss Starks? I doubt it, I see you whined about another one of my posts.
Please stay on topic. TIAMy prediction was it was improbable...and it was given the injury situation and so on.Its still hilarious that you don't see this.Phase contibuted to the topic that Starks could have an impact this season and you felt the need to tell him it was improbable and it turns out your prediction was wrong.Whats legendary is that its always you, phase, and ookie that have to chime in with little to say on topic and always about me.I knew you wouldn't disappoint.sho thinks he knows all when it comes to football and the Packers. His meltdowns here are legendary.at this argument.
Dude 1: I think ____ might happen.
Dude 2: Highly unlikely because of ____.
...two months pass...
Dude 1: It happened! You were so wrong! Let's argue!
I don't think I know it all, I do believe I do know quite a bit about the Packers.
Hell, you probably would have agreed with it earlier in the year...but you won't admit that will you?
Yes, phase did contribute...as did I...you came in (just as I said) to snipe...because that is what you do. Phase does it too (check the latest Favre thread where he has not posted one single thing on the topic).
Now...care to stop the sniping and actually discuss Starks? I doubt it, I see you whined about another one of my posts.
According to Elias, Starks' 73 rushing yards were the most by a Packers rookie running back in his first game since Ralph Earhart had 78 at Boston on Sept. 17, 1948.

yup..and 4 out of 9 carries for 1 yard or less is not goodAre you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
He ran well for his first NFL game and looks like the best active RB the Packers have.yup..and 4 out of 9 carries for 1 yard or less is not goodAre you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
yup.Are you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.

Hey, if you like 0 and 1 yard runs for your backs, so be it...yup.Are you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
You too please...btw...mine was on topic.Do you wish to discuss Starks?Please stay on topic. TIAMy prediction was it was improbable...and it was given the injury situation and so on.
Its still hilarious that you don't see this.
Hell, you probably would have agreed with it earlier in the year...but you won't admit that will you?
Yes, phase did contribute...as did I...you came in (just as I said) to snipe...because that is what you do. Phase does it too (check the latest Favre thread where he has not posted one single thing on the topic).
Now...care to stop the sniping and actually discuss Starks? I doubt it, I see you whined about another one of my posts.
On Sunday, this back carried the ball 6 of 8 carries for 4 yards or less to start the day against one of the worst rushing defenses in the NFL: 6,-1,-3, 6, -1, 2, 2, 3. This week a back began his game with this line of 8 carries of 1 yard or less out of 15 carries from the beginning until the end of his first series in the third quarter: -2,3,9,3,1,1,6,5,-3,-2,-2,3,4,-4,1These are the only two games I looked at, but I'm sure I'll find more every week. Based on this analysis, Adrian Peterson (first back) and Arian Foster (second back) should have been pulled.yup..and 4 out of 9 carries for 1 yard or less is not goodAre you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
I bet you I can find bit time RBs with similar strings yesterday. Not to mention that on a 17 play drive, you'll find runs for short gain. Not to mention that this was his first game experience in over a year. If you aren't impressed, then go to www.tennisguys.com or something.Hey, if you like 0 and 1 yard runs for your backs, so be it...yup.Are you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
Exactly. Let's all remember he hasn't played football in two years. Given those circumstances and the long odds he had of contributing this year. 18/73, besides rare according to Elias, was damn impressive. Imagine what he will be like once he gets a few games under his belt and starts running with the first team every week in practice. Oh, and if you want to know what his receiving skills will be like. Go check out his Buffalo stats, you will be glad you did.He ran well for his first NFL game and looks like the best active RB the Packers have.yup..and 4 out of 9 carries for 1 yard or less is not goodAre you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
I did...now please focus on the topic. TIADo you wish to discuss Starks?Please stay on topic. TIAMy prediction was it was improbable...and it was given the injury situation and so on.
Its still hilarious that you don't see this.
Hell, you probably would have agreed with it earlier in the year...but you won't admit that will you?
Yes, phase did contribute...as did I...you came in (just as I said) to snipe...because that is what you do. Phase does it too (check the latest Favre thread where he has not posted one single thing on the topic).
Now...care to stop the sniping and actually discuss Starks? I doubt it, I see you whined about another one of my posts.
you guys are too funny..all I said was that the stat line on the final drive was not impressive as the article stated. Does anyone here believe his final drive stat line was impressive?..if so, you can argue. If not, no reason to respond with posts that are not relevant to what I posted. I realize it was the guys first game..that's irreleveant to whether or not that drives stat line was impressive.On Sunday, this back carried the ball 6 of 8 carries for 4 yards or less to start the day against one of the worst rushing defenses in the NFL: 6,-1,-3, 6, -1, 2, 2, 3. This week a back began his game with this line of 8 carries of 1 yard or less out of 15 carries from the beginning until the end of his first series in the third quarter: -2,3,9,3,1,1,6,5,-3,-2,-2,3,4,-4,1These are the only two games I looked at, but I'm sure I'll find more every week. Based on this analysis, Adrian Peterson (first back) and Arian Foster (second back) should have been pulled.yup..and 4 out of 9 carries for 1 yard or less is not goodAre you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
At least there were no carries for negative yardage, which for the Packer running game this season is quite a positive. Given the clear intent of the drive was to eat clock, stay in bounds, and hold onto the ball these numbers are pretty good. I look at the drive as the Packers being more or less in their four minute, run out the clock offense. that offense is not conducive to great opportunity for a back. Those are hard yards. Clearly not yet the second comming of John Brockington, but a very positive start for a guy who has not seen live action in two years. I'm pleased as a Packer Fan who has had this guy since the draft.Hey, if you like 0 and 1 yard runs for your backs, so be it...yup.Are you familiar with football?How is the below impressive? 9 carries, 7 for 4 yards or less, 6 for 3 yards or lss.Starks was impressive on the Packers' clock-eating 17-play, 74-yard drive in the fourth quarter that ended with Mason Crosby's 24-yard field goal with 3:10 left.He carried nine times on the drive for gains of 0, 16, 1, 3, 7, 4, 1, 3 and 0.
For those who are wondering about Starks' receiving skills, he had 34-226-0 as a freshman, 41-311-2 as a sophomore, and 52-361-1 as a junior. Clearly, he's at least a passable receiver, but I'm not sure about how many targets he will get in the Packers offense, which seems to have designated Jackson as the pass-catching back.
 Probably means that the coaches are not thrilled with his blitz pick up yet, but those are good numbers - speaks well about future potentialStill has to climb over Grant though....
  Probably means that the coaches are not thrilled with his blitz pick up yet, but those are good numbers - speaks well about future potentialStill has to climb over Grant though....