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Looking at the numbers, he seems to be the lead guy. But the pie has been so small that it makes him unstartable. Heck, Rodgers has been stealing all the rushing TDs. What are you guys doing with Starks (and Grant for that matter)? Will the Pack offense change with the weather? I'm going to until the cold hits, but the trigger finger is getting itchy.

 
'Football Menace said:
Looking at the numbers, he seems to be the lead guy. But the pie has been so small that it makes him unstartable. Heck, Rodgers has been stealing all the rushing TDs. What are you guys doing with Starks (and Grant for that matter)? Will the Pack offense change with the weather? I'm going to until the cold hits, but the trigger finger is getting itchy.
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Because of bye week problems, I am starting both of them, in one league. :bag:
 
Dropped Grant for Fred Davis. Not sure what to do with Starks but I'm starting him as bye week replacements.

My other RB's are Rice, Mendenhall, Ingram and Torain. Start 2 RB's with one flex (RB/WR/TE, PPR league)

 
'Football Menace said:
Will the Pack offense change with the weather?
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I wouldn't count on this. Here are Rodgers numbers in 2009 and 2010, in "cold" games. Basically I took November + December home games, and for 2010 included the playoff games in Philly and Chicago, and for 2009 included a Pittsburgh game in Dec.
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Year   Games     Cmp   Att   Yards   TD   Int2009       6     147   233    1703   13     2     2010       6     127   186    1644   14     3
Another way to look at is compare the pass/run ratio in Sept/Oct to the ratio in "cold" Nov/Dec games. Here is what I came up with:
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Year    Months   Pass %2009  Sept/Oct       562009   Nov/Dec       632010  Sept/Oct       612010   Nov/Dec       53
The 2010 numbers might give hope for more rushing in cold weather, however when I looked at the individual games, it came down to the "cold" games in 2010 being mostly blowouts. So basically I think it just comes down to game situations. McCarthy is going to pass,pass,pass if they are behind or the game is in doubt, and start running if they have a big lead. Note that these percentages DO NOT include the 2010 PHI and CHI playoff games, because I am lazy.ETA: I am hanging onto Starks on the basis that he is a pretty safe bet for 6-10 points as needed for bye week/flex play, and he is a guaranteed RB2 if Grant goes down.
 
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'Football Menace said:
Looking at the numbers, he seems to be the lead guy. But the pie has been so small that it makes him unstartable. Heck, Rodgers has been stealing all the rushing TDs. What are you guys doing with Starks (and Grant for that matter)? Will the Pack offense change with the weather? I'm going to until the cold hits, but the trigger finger is getting itchy.
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Starks is basically looking like nothing better than a bye week replacement RB. Rodgers is on fire & they pass so much there isn't much left for a RB.. I had high hopes for Starks but it looks like he's not going to become a viable starter this year.
 
If you were McCarthy..would you rather count on Ryan Grant/James Starks and an offensive line that is a little banged up and doesn't run block all that well.....or Aaron Rodgers, who might be the best QB in the NFL with the quickest release.

Seems like he has difficult decisions...

The Packers are built to throw the ball in high volumes.

 
I shopped him.

I think his youth, and the offense still holds trade value but it's tough to envision an RB going off when the QB is slinging for records with as many weapons as he has.

 
'Chicago Hooligan said:
I don't think either will suddenly be scoring way more FF points in winter, but Grant has a rep as a bad weather grinder.
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FBG has Starks as a top 15 back going forward. He hasn't had more than 11.7 points in a game (week 1) and yet is a top 15 back? Can someone take FBG's side and explain why he's ranked that high?
 
For those of us who've held Starks all year... could this be the week? Of course you're not benching a solid player, but bye-week or injury issues, he might be get you a few points this week. I think if you've been waiting for a match up (all 7 of us), this is the one. :football:

 
Grant keeps getting carries despite being outplayed by Starks in virtually all aspects of the game for weeks now. Doesn't bode well for Starks' fantasy prospects this season.

 
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I own Starks and desperately need him to start scoring (stupid Hillis - why didn't I draft Forte :wall: ) - but I don't think he will. It isn't just the limited attempts, I could live with that because he gets a decent amount of yardage each week. It's the fact that the probability for getting TDs is nearly zero for Starks with Kuhn and Rodgers accounting for everything near the goal line.

 
'Mr. Fusion said:
I own Starks and desperately need him to start scoring (stupid Hillis - why didn't I draft Forte :wall: ) - but I don't think he will. It isn't just the limited attempts, I could live with that because he gets a decent amount of yardage each week. It's the fact that the probability for getting TDs is nearly zero for Starks with Kuhn and Rodgers accounting for everything near the goal line.
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agreeif starks got the goal line attempts he would be a solid rb2.its not like the Packers are hurting to score when they get close - why would they change what is working?
 
I'm going to continue to hold, and hope for the best. Nothing else out there with the upside of Starks and very little can be fetched in a trade. He's getting decent yardage and a few reception every week. If he would get a few more carries and the occasional TD, he'd be in my lineup weekly. I'm still hoping, come fantasy playoff time, we might be rewarded for holding so long.

 
Kinda tough if you have Starks because further into the season when the weather gets cold it's still gonna depend on the game situation as to how much running they do. As said, if they have a comfortable lead they'll run more but if not then Rodgers will continue to do his thing. I think McCarthy would love to go 16-0 so even if they lock up home field advantage & the division title early they should continue to pummel opponets, IMO. So if you have Starks it's gonna be a tough decision whether you start him or not. Because of his uncertainty and how much the Pack will run if you have better options I'd say use them. There is the chance the Packers gets big leads and gives Starks more carries and he'll certainly need that come NFL playoff time.

 
I've been forced to start Starks on a weekly basis due to injuries (my other top RBs are Charles, Hillis, and Best yikes). He's scoring about 10 pts a clip in PPR -- not great but not horrible. I see more upside than downside.

 
As the weather gets worse, perhaps FBG believes the Packers will run the ball more. Especially with teams dropping 8 men in coverage at times.

 
Does this guy have a run count? GB thinks as soon as he reaches 13 rushes, time to sit his ### down. Especially with Kuhn vulturing tds in goal line, he's only a fill in at most.

 
'LargeMouthBass said:
Does this guy have a run count? GB thinks as soon as he reaches 13 rushes, time to sit his ### down. Especially with Kuhn vulturing tds in goal line, he's only a fill in at most.
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seems like he gets there at the end of the game when the Packers are up by 4 TD's. Last week he didn't have many carries until very late in the game. I don't think Starks will end up being much this year. The Packers are pounding teams through the air & don't see it changing. He just gets no opportunity near the goal line which really hurts his value. If you want a guy to get 13 for 65 then he's your guy..
 
The Packers arent even pretending to run inside the 5 anymore. They are running empty back sets most of the time down close and no one can stop it.

 
Sure it will but I expect Starks to get more carries too. When Clifton comes back the blocking should improve.

The guy rarely gets any holes to run through. This is not a good run blocking line.

 
I always find it funny how much they worry about keeping the different WR's happy in GB but have no concern at all with stiffing the RB's. Last week Starks easily could've had 2 TD's but one went to Kuhn and one was a short pass. Hard to argue because in real life it is all about the results and the results are good. I do think Starks could've easily done what Kuhn did to get the one TD though. Yes I own him and yes I had to start him but it seems like they might try to reward the guy when he helped ram the ball down the field on the final drive and your up 40 points.

 
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I own starks, and he has sat on my bench other than a bye week early in the season.

Grant is on the waiver wire.

Nuff said.

 
You'd have to figure this is the week to roll out Starks... they should be up 28-0 at half...42-3 at the end of 3. Aaron Rodgers likely won't take a snap in the 4th quarter.

 
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'Ray_T said:
I own starks, and he has sat on my bench other than a bye week early in the season.Grant is on the waiver wire.Nuff said.
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Same here. I cannot remember ever holding a healthy player in a redraft this far into a season when the guy has only contributed 7 points to my starting lineup all season. I just keep holding based on the power of that offense and because he is better than any other RB on the WW. I think the only thing that will give Starks every week startable status is an injury to Kuhn or Rogers.
 
I happen to own McCoy and DMC/Bush in the league I have Starks so I haven't started him (would be my flex) except maybe one week. Bye week filler material is all, and I tried shopping him to teams that needed RB help and no luck. I'm pairing him off with VJax to the D Moore owner (plus Branch). I would rather have the high upside WR play from Moore into the fantasy playoffs than the "stability or security" of 6-10 points from Grant as my flex or RB2. I'm also sick of Vjax giving me 3 or 4 points most weeks, but that's a story for another thread I guess.

 
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Appears to be good news on Starks, from current press conference:

If practice were today, he would be a Did Not Participate with knee/ankle

Quotes from McCarthy:

"he is sore...knee sprain, also his ankle...going to see what he is going to do tomorrow at practice."

Regarding medical testing: "tested out well, possibly to be on the field this week"

Overall on injury: "better than what it looked at the time"

 
I was able to bundle Starks/Flacco/Emmanuel Sanders earlier in the season for MJD/Hasselbeck. I do not think that trade could still be made due to Sanders and Flacco being less than expected and MJD and Hass not showing any decline. However Starks I believe has actually gone up from the perceived value at that point. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to be packaged with a decent WR or something for a top player. Starks has shown a lot of promise and I think he will get better next year. He will never be an elite RB, but certainly I think a quality RB2 by next year if not all ready. His injury does seem minor and I think his production will have more to do with how well GB is doing rather than Grant or his injury. I am surprised a ton though by his lack of TD's. If anything I thought the end zone would be his specialty. I'd expect this to change eventually though and him to be used in the red zone more often. But not really sure what his particular deficiency is as he looks quality overall.

 
James Starks (knee, ankle) and Greg Jennings (knee) both participated in Packers practice on Tuesday.

Source: Tom Silverstein on Twitter

 
They'll still throw. Kuhn should get goalline carries and some receptions but Starks should too.

 
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