Jared from Subway got what he deserved (1 Viewer)

[Hang 10]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

Forget it.

 

[Rayderr]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

How many times has the FBI erroneously raided the home of a public figure (who's livelihood is based on his public image) in connection with a horrible crime like child pornography?

 

[BowieMercs]

Birds of a feather... guilt by association is strong. Time will tell. Until then, have some bacon.

 

[kutta]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

When was the last time the FBI performed a public raid on a celebrity's house, completely ruining that person's reputation, and the person was innocent?

I'm asking because I don't know. It very well could have happened.

 

[tommyboy]

[dentist] I wonder if he has any dump on chest stuff? [/dentist]

 

[Willie Neslon]

Scenario 1

Jared: "...."

Willie: "He's not saying anything! That must mean he's guilty!"

Scenario 2

Jared: "I am no way involved in child porn."

Willie: "No innocent man would protest like that. He must be guilty!"

If detectives came into your office, charged you with a murder you had absolutely nothing to do with and escorted you out, you wouldn't say anything to anyone in the office as you were being taken away? You'd just put your head down and silently walk out?

Or they could be completely in shock and walk out in a daze. People act differently when put under unexpected stress, and you can't always predict how you yourself will react.

He's had two days to react. Yes, you keep your mouth shut and let the lawyers and PR experts handle everything if in fact you are in the middle of a scandal. If you had nothing to do with it, you'd say so. It reminds me of the guy the FBI called a prime suspect in those anthrax by mail attacks. He came out right away and denied it. Said he had nothing to do with it. He ended up losing his job anyway but angrily denying you had anything to do with it is what an innocent person would do. The initial shock is going to wear off quickly when you realize you're fighting for you life. Then you have Bill Cosby who doesn't address his charges in anyway (except for that bizarre interview months later). Why? Because he did it.

This seems to be contradictory. And believe it or not, most guilty people proclaim their innocence.

I'm saying if you did something wrong, you let the pros fix it. If you didn't, it's not going to takes months to build a pr strategy out of a mess that you have no involvement in.

IF you are accused of doing something wrong and didn't do it, wouldn't you also have the pros fix it? There's a saying about a person who represents himself has a fool for a client. Oh, and OJ said he was innocent too. For both crimes.

If you had nothing to do with it "the pros" would handle it easily. OJ killed two people and went on the lam

 

[SIDA!]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

It strikes me as odd that you somehow see an investigatory agency, with numerous instances of questionable actions and scandal, incapable of either making mistakes, intentionally trying to ruin somebody, or overzealously going after somebody.

You place a lot of faith in the FBI...a lot more than I do.

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn I might very well shout from the heavens and hold a 24 hour press conference answering any questions presented. But, I can't say with absolute certainty.

I have watched a man get prosecuted at the county level for supposedly having child porn when it was politically motivated about the DAs office and later revealed that his crazy ex wife and son planted the stuff on his computer to frame him/destroy him.

I have also seen FBI agents/offices behave unethically and refuse to disclose information to confidential informants when an agent/office had a conflict of interest.

 

[SIDA!]

Not exactly a celebrity incident, but here is an example of an FBI screw up:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-chainsaw-mistake-agents-raid-wrong-mass-apartment-cut-down-door/

The FBI accidentally raided the wrong apartment last Thursday, cutting through the apartment door of a central Massachusetts woman and her three-year-old daughter with a chainsaw, in a botched effort to seize guns and drugs.

And has Richard Jewell been mentioned? The FBI basically ruined that guys life back during the Olympics in Atlanta.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

It strikes me as odd that you somehow see an investigatory agency, with numerous instances of questionable actions and scandal, incapable of either making mistakes, intentionally trying to ruin somebody, or overzealously going after somebody.

You place a lot of faith in the FBI...a lot more than I do.

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn I might very well shout from the heavens and hold a 24 hour press conference answering any questions presented. But, I can't say with absolute certainty.

I have watched a man get prosecuted at the county level for supposedly having child porn when it was politically motivated about the DAs office and later revealed that his crazy ex wife and son planted the stuff on his computer to frame him/destroy him.

I have also seen FBI agents/offices behave unethically and refuse to disclose information to confidential informants when an agent/office had a conflict of interest.

I've never said I thought the FBI was incapable of making mistakes.

 

[Limp Ditka]

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn

 

[Tom Servo]

There is a special place in hell for pedophiles and purveyors of kiddie porn. I hear the same applies in our correctional facilities.

You would be incorrect.

 

[SIDA!]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

It strikes me as odd that you somehow see an investigatory agency, with numerous instances of questionable actions and scandal, incapable of either making mistakes, intentionally trying to ruin somebody, or overzealously going after somebody.

You place a lot of faith in the FBI...a lot more than I do.

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn I might very well shout from the heavens and hold a 24 hour press conference answering any questions presented. But, I can't say with absolute certainty.

I have watched a man get prosecuted at the county level for supposedly having child porn when it was politically motivated about the DAs office and later revealed that his crazy ex wife and son planted the stuff on his computer to frame him/destroy him.

I have also seen FBI agents/offices behave unethically and refuse to disclose information to confidential informants when an agent/office had a conflict of interest.

I've never said I thought the FBI was incapable of making mistakes.

You said:

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

And you made some other statements that I don't feel like going back.

Regardless, of any absolute statement, you place a lot of faith and confidence in the FBI. I don't have the same confidence, nor do I blame any suspects of clamming up and shutting their mouths. Fogler has nothing to gain from talking. Does anyone here honestly think that had Jared came out and vociferously defended himself that day that Subway wouldn't have dumped him anyway?

FWIW, I found Ryan Braun's strong defense in the steroid scandal intriguing. Here he was staunchly defending himself in absolutes. And he was guilty as sin. So, it goes both ways.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

When was the last time the FBI performed a public raid on a celebrity's house, completely ruining that person's reputation, and the person was innocent?

I'm asking because I don't know. It very well could have happened.

Only thing I can think of is Richard Jewel. He wasn't a celebrity, although he was interviewed nationally as the hero at first for seeing a backpack and evacuating people. Good 30 for 30 short here. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10365079

Right there in the first minute they say something like, "what is the average viewer going to think seeing the fbi raiding his house on national tv?" Richard Jewel was just a minimum wage security guard. Imagine if he was a guy making millions as the face of a restaurant chain. For the record Jewel came out right away and said he didn't do it.

 

[SIDA!]

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn

 

[Donkey Derp]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

The head of the Jared Foundation was arrested over 2 months ago. Even before the FBI raided his home, why didn't he say anything to distance himself as far from Taylor as possible? Look at how quickly Subway got away from Jared's image. It's not like everything happened overnight. I understand his lawyers are most likely telling him to keep quiet now that he is being investigated but what about after Taylor's charges and before the raid? He said nothing. (I am agreeing with you the silence is strange)

 

[Kal El]

Not exactly a celebrity incident, but here is an example of an FBI screw up:

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-chainsaw-mistake-agents-raid-wrong-mass-apartment-cut-down-door/

The FBI accidentally raided the wrong apartment last Thursday, cutting through the apartment door of a central Massachusetts woman and her three-year-old daughter with a chainsaw, in a botched effort to seize guns and drugs.

And has Richard Jewell been mentioned? The FBI basically ruined that guys life back during the Olympics in Atlanta.

I had read that the media really went after Jewell, but once the FBI realized they had nothing on him, they stopped, but he already lost his job and was vilified by the media. The FBI makes mistakes, and they may have found bupkis at Jared's house, but he's already guilty in the court of public opinion. For what it's worth, I'm waiting until he's convicted of something before I grab my torch and pitchfork.

 

[Rayderr]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

When was the last time the FBI performed a public raid on a celebrity's house, completely ruining that person's reputation, and the person was innocent?

I'm asking because I don't know. It very well could have happened.

First, I'm not sure how one does a private raid on a house. Do they just lower a giant circus tent over the property? Of course wouldn't then the giant circus tent attract just as much attention? Maybe they just have a bunch of FBI agents standing out front yelling into megaphones "Look away! There's nothing to see here!" as agents pull items from the house?

But as far as the FBI raiding someone's house and ruining the reputation of the person, why Willie himself gave an answer to that question. James Hatfill the guy the FBI was 100% positive was behind the Anthrax attacks.

 

[Spin]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

When was the last time the FBI performed a public raid on a celebrity's house, completely ruining that person's reputation, and the person was innocent?

I'm asking because I don't know. It very well could have happened.

First, I'm not sure how one does a private raid on a house. Do they just lower a giant circus tent over the property? Of course wouldn't then the giant circus tent attract just as much attention? Maybe they just have a bunch of FBI agents standing out front yelling into megaphones "Look away! There's nothing to see here!" as agents pull items from the house?

But as far as the FBI raiding someone's house and ruining the reputation of the person, why Willie himself gave an answer to that question. James Hatfill the guy the FBI was 100% positive was behind the Anthrax attacks.

What if all the male FBI agents pretend to be his buddies and the female FBI agents dressed up as strippers? Then everyone would think it's just one kickass bachelor party. BOOM, secret raid.

 

[SIDA!]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

The head of the Jared Foundation was arrested over 2 months ago. Even before the FBI raided his home, why didn't he say anything to distance himself as far from Taylor as possible? Look at how quickly Subway got away from Jared's image. It's not like everything happened overnight. I understand his lawyers are most likely telling him to keep quiet now that he is being investigated but what about after Taylor's charges and before the raid? He said nothing. (I am agreeing with you the silence is strange)

I think you are incorrect. My understanding is that Jared did make a public statement distancing himself from Taylor after the arrest.

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

It strikes me as odd that you somehow see an investigatory agency, with numerous instances of questionable actions and scandal, incapable of either making mistakes, intentionally trying to ruin somebody, or overzealously going after somebody.

You place a lot of faith in the FBI...a lot more than I do.

For the record, if I wasn't into child porn I might very well shout from the heavens and hold a 24 hour press conference answering any questions presented. But, I can't say with absolute certainty.

I have watched a man get prosecuted at the county level for supposedly having child porn when it was politically motivated about the DAs office and later revealed that his crazy ex wife and son planted the stuff on his computer to frame him/destroy him.

I have also seen FBI agents/offices behave unethically and refuse to disclose information to confidential informants when an agent/office had a conflict of interest.

I've never said I thought the FBI was incapable of making mistakes.

You said:

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

And you made some other statements that I don't feel like going back.

Regardless, of any absolute statement, you place a lot of faith and confidence in the FBI. I don't have the same confidence, nor do I blame any suspects of clamming up and shutting their mouths. Fogler has nothing to gain from talking. Does anyone here honestly think that had Jared came out and vociferously defended himself that day that Subway wouldn't have dumped him anyway?

FWIW, I found Ryan Braun's strong defense in the steroid scandal intriguing. Here he was staunchly defending himself in absolutes. And he was guilty as sin. So, it goes both ways.

I think it would be highly unlikely that the FBI would conduct a raid that would destroy a guy's public image who's livelihood was based on that image. They'd be opening themselves up to a massive lawsuit. I should have written "If they thought he only had regular porn they wouldn't be raiding his house." Isn't it a fair to believe the FBI has a strong inkling they're going to find something damning on his computer? Isn't it fair to think the FBI is not going to conduct a public raid like that on a public figure for the hell of it?

 

[Willie Neslon]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

The head of the Jared Foundation was arrested over 2 months ago. Even before the FBI raided his home, why didn't he say anything to distance himself as far from Taylor as possible? Look at how quickly Subway got away from Jared's image. It's not like everything happened overnight. I understand his lawyers are most likely telling him to keep quiet now that he is being investigated but what about after Taylor's charges and before the raid? He said nothing. (I am agreeing with you the silence is strange)

Well he did make a statement after the other guys arrest. Paraphrasing, he said he was shocked and he would turn this horrible thing into something good.

 

[Kal El]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

The FBI has raided places before and turned up nothing.

When was the last time the FBI performed a public raid on a celebrity's house, completely ruining that person's reputation, and the person was innocent?

I'm asking because I don't know. It very well could have happened.

First, I'm not sure how one does a private raid on a house. Do they just lower a giant circus tent over the property? Of course wouldn't then the giant circus tent attract just as much attention? Maybe they just have a bunch of FBI agents standing out front yelling into megaphones "Look away! There's nothing to see here!" as agents pull items from the house?

But as far as the FBI raiding someone's house and ruining the reputation of the person, why Willie himself gave an answer to that question. James Hatfill the guy the FBI was 100% positive was behind the Anthrax attacks.

What if all the male FBI agents pretend to be his buddies and the female FBI agents dressed up as strippers? Then everyone would think it's just one kickass bachelor party. BOOM, secret raid.

I would think having a few people showing up in plain clothes and going inside, probably when most neighbors are away at work for the day should suffice.

 

[Rayderr]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

The head of the Jared Foundation was arrested over 2 months ago. Even before the FBI raided his home, why didn't he say anything to distance himself as far from Taylor as possible? Look at how quickly Subway got away from Jared's image. It's not like everything happened overnight. I understand his lawyers are most likely telling him to keep quiet now that he is being investigated but what about after Taylor's charges and before the raid? He said nothing. (I am agreeing with you the silence is strange)

He did:

We went by Jared Fogle’s home, but nobody came to the door. Fogle later released the following statement to FOX59:I was shocked to learn of the disturbing allegations against Mr. Taylor. Effective immediately, the Jared Foundation is severing all ties with Mr. Taylor.

 

[Spin]

How does he have a 2 months heads up, and 15 million dollars at his disposal and NOT get rid of any and all evidence? There's no way he has anything incriminating left, right?

 

[Rayderr]

FTR, Jared might be guilty, or might not be. If I had to place a bet, I'd probably say guilty (but with each day that goes by without an arrest, I lean more towards not guilty). But some of the methodology you guys are using to come to the conclusion is highly flawed. That's really what the debate is about at this point.

 

[Kal El]

How does he have a 2 months heads up, and 15 million dollars at his disposal and NOT get rid of any and all evidence? There's no way he has anything incriminating left, right?

There are ways of recovering data, I'd bet.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed your picture in your avatar. That's gold.

 

[Rayderr]

How does he have a 2 months heads up, and 15 million dollars at his disposal and NOT get rid of any and all evidence? There's no way he has anything incriminating left, right?

Only if he was stupid. Smart thing to do would be to take out all the hard drives and mail them along with the memory sticks, sd cards, etc to his lawyer.

Of course if he surfed for child porn, or did any stuff over the phone, he'd be kinda hosed.

 

[Willie Neslon]

FTR, Jared might be guilty, or might not be. If I had to place a bet, I'd probably say guilty (but with each day that goes by without an arrest, I lean more towards not guilty). But some of the methodology you guys are using to come to the conclusion is highly flawed. That's really what the debate is about at this point.

No conclusion, just observation.

 

[Spin]

How does he have a 2 months heads up, and 15 million dollars at his disposal and NOT get rid of any and all evidence? There's no way he has anything incriminating left, right?

There are ways of recovering data, I'd bet.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed your picture in your avatar. That's gold.

Sure, if you just put everything into the recycle bin and press empty recycle bin, that stuff can all be recovered.

But with that kind of resources available, there's someone out there that can permanently get rid of stuff. Or just destroy it all for you. "Here's all my harddrives / memory cards / usb drives / hell the computers themselves, take them all to a tire incinerator, thanks"

 

[Capella]

I really doubt they need your computer to get what they need. It just makes it easier. You leave a virtual footprint everywhere you go.

 

[Donkey Derp]

I didn't know they released that statement but it wasn't a story then though.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I really doubt they need your computer to get what they need. It just makes it easier. You leave a virtual footprint everywhere you go.

Yeah, my guess is they may have evidence already that ties some servers to distributing kiddie porn - what they are looking for now, is not pictures but any markers, or computer finger prints, that ties those servers to the evidence they already have.

 

[Rayderr]

On a side note, it must really suck to be the defense attorney for a child pornographer/molester, or any other heinous crime. You know that person is guilty as hell, yet you have to do everything in your power to get them off (no, not in that way.)

 

[dickey moe]

There is a special place in hell for pedophiles and purveyors of kiddie porn. I hear the same applies in our correctional facilities.

The one place you wouldn't want extra meat.

 

[johnnycakes]

Willy, he's probably guilty but whether he makes a statement not isn't a great indicator of anything. Just stop.

Look, all i said was if you were being investigated for a heinous crime that you had absolutely nothing to do with and you had a multi-million dollar livelihood that was based on your public image, you wouldn't just sit back silently. That's all i said.

What if it's not that simple. What if he really does have TONS of porn...the legal kind but still it wrecks his public image? If that's the case, maybe he's listening to his lawyer's advice.

If he just had regular porn the fbi wouldn't be raiding his house.

I have also seen FBI agents/offices behave unethically and refuse to disclose information to confidential informants when an agent/office had a conflict of interest.

No way.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

On a side note, it must really suck to be the defense attorney for a child pornographer/molester, or any other heinous crime. You know that person is guilty as hell, yet you have to do everything in your power to get them off to make sure they get the fairest trial possible.

 

[sublimeone]

We all know the FBI is comprised of human beings and mistakes happen but come on guys... Jared's a pederast.

 

[[icon]]

How does he have a 2 months heads up, and 15 million dollars at his disposal and NOT get rid of any and all evidence? There's no way he has anything incriminating left, right?

There are ways of recovering data, I'd bet.

On an unrelated note, I just noticed your picture in your avatar. That's gold.

Sure, if you just put everything into the recycle bin and press empty recycle bin, that stuff can all be recovered.

But with that kind of resources available, there's someone out there that can permanently get rid of stuff. Or just destroy it all for you. "Here's all my harddrives / memory cards / usb drives / hell the computers themselves, take them all to a tire incinerator, thanks"

With a Mac you can very easily set the machine to securely erase files when you empty your trash bin.... as in zeroing out the files on the HD, vs just allocating the space as writeable for future data" like most systems do.

 

[SIDA!]

Stupid question maybe. But assuming you were to simply take all your computers and laptops and drop them in the ocean or incinerate them or whatever...wouldn't it still be possible for law enforcement to go and get your internet surfing records from whoever you use to log onto the internet?

Or am I misunderstanding how this all works? I always assumed your internet company basically had everything that you did logged in their files somewhere.

So...they have SIDA! jumping on Facebook...moving over to FBG and then hitting a little XVideos...etc.

 

[Willie Neslon]

"Middle school girls are hot."

sfw ny daily news link

 

[Christo]

Pete Townsend is shocked and offended by the behavior.

Altogether now . . .

Rough Boys!

 

[Christo]

FTR, Jared might be guilty, or might not be. If I had to place a bet, I'd probably say guilty (but with each day that goes by without an arrest, I lean more towards not guilty). But some of the methodology you guys are using to come to the conclusion is highly flawed. That's really what the debate is about at this point.

No conclusion, just observation.

 

[Christo]

On a side note, it must really suck to be the defense attorney for a child pornographer/molester, or any other heinous crime. You know that person is guilty as hell, yet you have to do everything in your power to get them off (no, not in that way.)

You don't do everything in your power to get them off, you do everything in your power to make the prosecutor do his job.

 

[Rayderr]

"Middle school girls are hot."

sfw ny daily news link

His attorney, Ron Elberger, dismissed the woman’s story Friday as “an unrealistic fabrication.”

There's the denial you've been looking for. So, he's innocent now, right?

 

[Willie Neslon]

"Middle school girls are hot."

sfw ny daily news link

His attorney, Ron Elberger, dismissed the woman’s story Friday as “an unrealistic fabrication.”

There's the denial you've been looking for. So, he's innocent now, right?

A lawyer denied her claims.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

On a side note, it must really suck to be the defense attorney for a child pornographer/molester, or any other heinous crime. You know that person is guilty as hell, yet you have to do everything in your power to get them off to make sure they get the fairest longest trial possible, in order to make as much money as possible.

 

[Rayderr]

"Middle school girls are hot."

sfw ny daily news link

His attorney, Ron Elberger, dismissed the woman’s story Friday as “an unrealistic fabrication.”

There's the denial you've been looking for. So, he's innocent now, right?

A lawyer denied her claims.

This has to be schtick.

 

[Willie Neslon]

"Middle school girls are hot."

sfw ny daily news link

His attorney, Ron Elberger, dismissed the woman’s story Friday as “an unrealistic fabrication.”

There's the denial you've been looking for. So, he's innocent now, right?

A lawyer denied her claims.

This has to be schtick.

What is? That wasn't Jared saying he's innocent of anything to do with the FBI raiding his house. That's a response from his lawyer when asked about some woman's interview.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Willie just step away from the keyboard.

I will not. If I'm accused of something I had nothing to do with, I'm ignoring advice of council and taking the stand. (Yes, I'm aware Jared hasn't been charged with anything.)

You're actively ruining a once proud alias.