Jason Garrett (1 Viewer)

[Jeff Pasquino]

ESPN Reports that he will get $3M a year as Assistant Head Coach, the same $ that Wade Phillips is getting.

 

[Bankerguy]

Good day for the Cowboys.

 

[Oscar]

I gotta believe with that paycheck was a promist to be the heir apparent to Phillips at some point.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If you are Wade Phillips, you cannot be happy with this arrangement.

Then again, Phillips was lucky to: a) get handed a ready-made playoff team, and b) get another opportunity as a head coach given that he didn't exactly kick ### in his first stints as a head coach.

 

[Bankerguy]

I gotta believe with that paycheck was a promist to be the heir apparent to Phillips at some point.

Under the Rooney rule they cannot do that.....but yeah I agree.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I gotta believe with that paycheck was a promist to be the heir apparent to Phillips at some point.

Under the Rooney rule they cannot do that.....but yeah I agree.

Yes, they can. I am pretty sure the Rooney rule does not apply if you are promoting from within.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I gotta believe with that paycheck was a promist to be the heir apparent to Phillips at some point.

Under the Rooney rule they cannot do that.....but yeah I agree.

I thought the Rooney rule had an exception for promoting guys already in the organization. Edit: GR beat me to it.

 

[Bankerguy]

I could be totally wrong....I admit I am not 100% sure. However, I was under the understanding that you cannot promise a future Head Coaching opportunity as you would be circumventing the Rooney rule...no?

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Good day for the Cowboys.

I disagree. Not that Garrett is bad to hang onto but this will no doubt cause problems for the team. The next time they go on a 2-game losing streak Phillips is going to be looking over his shoulder and everyone is going to be talking about Garrett replacing him. The players won't know who to trust or respect.This is not going to end well for Dallas. They might as well get it over with and just fire Phillips now and promote Garrett.

 

[Mungo Burrows]

I could be totally wrong....I admit I am not 100% sure. However, I was under the understanding that you cannot promise a future Head Coaching opportunity as you would be circumventing the Rooney rule...no?

I don't think you can officially promise it or put it into a contract anymore (I think this was done with Belichick at NYJ). However I'm pretty sure you can put in escalators and balloon payments if he's still the assistant (wink, wink). I'm pretty sure once Wade is pushed aside, they would not have to interview any minorities if they promote Garrett since he's already in-house.

 

[Koya]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now.

Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

 

[Koya]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Only jerrah would think it a good move on a talented team that only lacks heart and discipline to castrate the head coach in this manor.

 

[Phurfur]

I gotta believe with that paycheck was a promist to be the heir apparent to Phillips at some point.

Under the Rooney rule they cannot do that.....but yeah I agree.

Yes, they can. I am pretty sure the Rooney rule does not apply if you are promoting from within.

The Rooney rule is lip service.

 

[Slinger]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

You are saying that Wade fully knew and understood that no matter well the team played for him during Year 1 (13-3 pretty good, by the way it was Garrett's offense that dropped off more than the defense), that he would automatically be given "lame duck" status?

 

[Mustang Man]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

 

[Bankerguy]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

 

[Ridgelake]

Wade Phillips knew the deal the second he signed on as head coach last year. Garrett was hired ahead of him. This is not a new thing. Wade runs the defense. Garrett runs the offense. Wade makes the overall executive decisions. This is nothing new.

 

[Mustang Man]

Wade Phillips knew the deal the second he signed on as head coach last year. Garrett was hired ahead of him. This is not a new thing. Wade runs the defense. Garrett runs the offense. Wade makes the overall executive decisions. This is nothing new.

This is obvious but most people have COWBOY HATER GLASSES ON!

 

[Brutis]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

Not sure how this is bad for Dallas? Do people actually think Garrett wouldnt be the next dallas HC when he was hired BEFORE wade phillips last year? I thought it was pretty obvious. Im sure wade is well aware of this.

 

[Zoomanji]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.

Too bad it will only last through next season

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

If you are Wade Phillips, you cannot be happy with this arrangement. Then again, Phillips was lucky to: a) get handed a ready-made playoff team, and b) get another opportunity as a head coach given that he didn't exactly kick ### in his first stints as a head coach.

Really? So if you were Wade Phillips you would hope that Garrett would have taken that job so that he would have to find someone new for that position?Or would you as Phillips maybe approach J. Jones and sit down and explain that the Cowboys just finished with a franchise best record and that in his opnion, the head coach should make more than the assistant and maybe get another 500,000. The worst thing that could happen is he'd be told no but Jones isn't stupid and a slight bump in his salary would also show that he's happy with Phillips current job as well.But in no way do I think Wade Phillips isn't happy about this. Come on, you want to keep your good people, not get rid of them. It's not like it's coming out of Wade's pocket book, the guy is still making 3 Mill a year at an age many people are retired.

 

[Bankerguy]

Not sure how this is bad for Dallas? Do people actually think Garrett wouldnt be the next dallas HC when he was hired BEFORE wade phillips last year? I thought it was pretty obvious.

Im sure wade is well aware of this.

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Agreed...but read some of the other posts. Folks are quick to tell you about the impending doom for the Cowboys.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.Too bad it will only last through next season

Paint it any way you want, Garrett staying with Dallas isn't good for the rest of the NFC East.

 

[redman]

Only jerrah would think it a good move on a talented team that only lacks heart and discipline to castrate the head coach in this manor.

I say, Lovie, good show!

 

[Mustang Man]

Only jerrah would think it a good move on a talented team that only lacks heart and discipline to castrate the head coach in this manor.

I say, Lovie, good show!

All this is just crazy. I know having one of the bright young minds in the game (who just gave the Cowboys the best offensive year in the history of the Boys franchise ) stay on our sidelines is a terrible thing . Just terrible how will they ever recover??

 

[redman]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

There are haters on every issue with certain teams. I'm certainly on the record as being highly critical of Jones. In fairness though, GB, how many of those issues/incidents that you listed above have in fact turned out "well"? Was Parcells in Dallas a success story? People are still quarrelling about how much of the restocking of the roster can be credited to him versus Jones versus Ireland. And his coaching regime obviously didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Jones may not have meddled in the draft room as much with Parcells, but now what? Both Parcells and Ireland are gone. Who will rein him in?

Is Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Anyway, the point here is that the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. There are some parallels between Cowboy fans and Redskins fans regarding their owners at present- both teams have just lost some important and trusted (by the owners) people who were viewed as assisting the owners on important personnel matters, and both fan bases are hopeful that the owners learned enough over the last four years to keep their hands off going forward. There's room for concern in both camps.

 

[Bankerguy]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

There are haters on every issue with certain teams. I'm certainly on the record as being highly critical of Jones. In fairness though, GB, how many of those issues/incidents that you listed above have in fact turned out "well"? Was Parcells in Dallas a success story? People are still quarrelling about how much of the restocking of the roster can be credited to him versus Jones versus Ireland. And his coaching regime obviously didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Jones may not have meddled in the draft room as much with Parcells, but now what? Both Parcells and Ireland are gone. Who will rein him in?

Is Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Anyway, the point here is that the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. There are some parallels between Cowboy fans and Redskins fans regarding their owners at present- both teams have just lost some important and trusted (by the owners) people who were viewed as assisting the owners on important personnel matters, and both fan bases are hopeful that the owners learned enough over the last four years to keep their hands off going forward. There's room for concern in both camps.

I don't disagee entirely, you make some good points. It's not a cut and dried thing. However, I see no reason to immediately dismiss this a horrible move when most signs point to it being positive based on results. I guess.....I am just noticing what ever the news regarding the Cowboys....it's instantly bad around here from the "Consensus" and those with the loudest posts. I've learned to trust my own instincts and to mix it with views from a few other posters whom I respect (You, Ridgelake, and Jason Wood immediately come to mind).

Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Well a Hall of Fame Coach in Bill Parcells certainly had some trouble getting TO and Witten untracked. Gotta give Red some credit for using Witten up the seams more.

Just saying......

 

[Mustang Man]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

There are haters on every issue with certain teams. I'm certainly on the record as being highly critical of Jones. In fairness though, GB, how many of those issues/incidents that you listed above have in fact turned out "well"? Was Parcells in Dallas a success story? People are still quarrelling about how much of the restocking of the roster can be credited to him versus Jones versus Ireland. And his coaching regime obviously didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Jones may not have meddled in the draft room as much with Parcells, but now what? Both Parcells and Ireland are gone. Who will rein him in?

Is Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Anyway, the point here is that the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. There are some parallels between Cowboy fans and Redskins fans regarding their owners at present- both teams have just lost some important and trusted (by the owners) people who were viewed as assisting the owners on important personnel matters, and both fan bases are hopeful that the owners learned enough over the last four years to keep their hands off going forward. There's room for concern in both camps.

This is true but as Cowboys fan I like the direction Dallas is going. They are very talented and with the right breaks they can go far next season. Allot has to do with Parcells and just as much has to do with who is there now. Parcells was a success in Dallas, TO has been and will be a success in Dallas. Dallas is right where they want to be (minus the loss) going into next season. 2 first rounders next year. If they hit on them they are really looking good. We shall see exciting times ahead.

 

[redman]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

There are haters on every issue with certain teams. I'm certainly on the record as being highly critical of Jones. In fairness though, GB, how many of those issues/incidents that you listed above have in fact turned out "well"? Was Parcells in Dallas a success story? People are still quarrelling about how much of the restocking of the roster can be credited to him versus Jones versus Ireland. And his coaching regime obviously didn't accomplish what they set out to do.

Jones may not have meddled in the draft room as much with Parcells, but now what? Both Parcells and Ireland are gone. Who will rein him in?

Is Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Anyway, the point here is that the truth, as usual, is somewhere in between. There are some parallels between Cowboy fans and Redskins fans regarding their owners at present- both teams have just lost some important and trusted (by the owners) people who were viewed as assisting the owners on important personnel matters, and both fan bases are hopeful that the owners learned enough over the last four years to keep their hands off going forward. There's room for concern in both camps.

I don't disagee entirely, you make some good points. It's not a cut and dried thing. However, I see no reason to immediately dismiss this a horrible move when most signs point to it being positive based on results. I guess.....I am just noticing what ever the news regarding the Cowboys....it's instantly bad around here from the "Consensus" and those with the loudest posts. I've learned to trust my own instincts and to mix it with views from a few other posters whom I respect (You, Ridgelake, and Jason Wood immediately come to mind).

Garrett a success story, or is he the beneficiary of one of the best QB-WR-TE combos in the NFL? Romo, TO and Witten would make a lot of guys look like geniuses.

Well a Hall of fame caoch in Bill Parcells certainly had some trouble getting TO and Witten untracked. Gotta give Red some credit for using Witten up the seams more.

Just saying......

Absolutely. Give Wade the same sort of credit too. Both guys made their respective units more aggressive, and more effective in the process. Parcells (like Gibbs with Campbell) may have been overly conservative just because of how new Romo was to the starting job, and he's an old school coach who felt (again, like Gibbs) that the single greatest service that a QB could do for a team was to avoid huge mistakes that would lose the game.

 

[Slinger]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.

Do people actually think Garrett wouldnt be the next dallas HC when he was hired BEFORE wade phillips last year? I thought it was pretty obvious.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.

Do people actually think Garrett wouldnt be the next dallas HC when he was hired BEFORE wade phillips last year? I thought it was pretty obvious.

I think it was definitely a possiblity. I also think that if Wade Phillips, or any other coach who had other potential options for that matter, would have said "no thanks" if he was told that he'd be out in 2 years no matter what he does in the job.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

I hate to knock you off your soapbox here but I'm not criticizing any of JJ or Dallas's past moves. I'm specifically talking about this example undermining the head coach.The sooner they get rid of Phillips the better off they'll be now that they've done this.

 

[scott72]

Good day for the Cowboys.

I disagree. Not that Garrett is bad to hang onto but this will no doubt cause problems for the team. The next time they go on a 2-game losing streak Phillips is going to be looking over his shoulder and everyone is going to be talking about Garrett replacing him. The players won't know who to trust or respect.This is not going to end well for Dallas. They might as well get it over with and just fire Phillips now and promote Garrett.

I agree 100%. Phillips is essentially a lame duck and his margin for error is razer thin. Tough to coach in that environment, but I guess if your going to work for Jerry Jones you have to expect something like that.

 

[scott72]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.Too bad it will only last through next season

Paint it any way you want, Garrett staying with Dallas isn't good for the rest of the NFC East.

You don't see this as a slap in Phillips' face? 13-3 and Garrett gets a promotion and a raise? What did Wade get? Close to losing his job? Nice..I'm sure we sound like haters, but I think we all know if another team in the East that was not the Cowboys pulled this move you all would be saying the same thing we are. I could care less about the Cowboys because we obviously don't have to play them this year, but from the outside looking in I can see it causing problems next year if the team struggles out of the gate. After the first two game losing streak you're all going to be calling for Wade's head.

 

[Slinger]

I think it was definitely a possiblity. I also think that if Wade Phillips, or any other coach who had other potential options for that matter, would have said "no thanks" if he was told that he'd be out in 2 years no matter what he does in the job.

I think you hit it there. Wade Phillips was not going to be the head coach anywhere else last year or this year. He's just happy to be out there and I think he'll be fine with Garrett waiting in the wings. If the Cowboys goes on a 5-game losing streak there he'll definitely be on the hot seat, but that would happen with or without Garrett there. My .02.

 

[scott72]

Only jerrah would think it a good move on a talented team that only lacks heart and discipline to castrate the head coach in this manor.

I say, Lovie, good show!

All this is just crazy. I know having one of the bright young minds in the game (who just gave the Cowboys the best offensive year in the history of the Boys franchise ) stay on our sidelines is a terrible thing . Just terrible how will they ever recover??

This also sets a precedent on how much OC's should get paid. I know JJ is like Steinbrenner and could care less how much he has to pay, but it could be an issue for other teams in the league. IF OC's are going to get 3 mill, what should HC's get? The average pay for HC's is around 3 mill. Now this has to get adjusted. It's going to create a ripple effect around the league.

 

[Koya]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

 

[Koya]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.Too bad it will only last through next season

Paint it any way you want, Garrett staying with Dallas isn't good for the rest of the NFC East.

You don't see this as a slap in Phillips' face? 13-3 and Garrett gets a promotion and a raise? What did Wade get? Close to losing his job? Nice..I'm sure we sound like haters, but I think we all know if another team in the East that was not the Cowboys pulled this move you all would be saying the same thing we are. I could care less about the Cowboys because we obviously don't have to play them this year, but from the outside looking in I can see it causing problems next year if the team struggles out of the gate. After the first two game losing streak you're all going to be calling for Wade's head.

If I were a Dallas fan I wouldnt care so much about the slap in the face to Wade (although it does speak to a degree of what little respect Jones has for those who work under his employ) and more concerned about how this could easily cost you a season... maybe two. Just too much room for a locker room to explode. I mean, you have a lame duck coach and TO... TO is like the Bret Saberhagen of temperment. One year he is all great teamate, then he implodes.He was one hell of a great teamate this year.

 

[Koya]

This is a good move for both the Cowboys and Garrett. I believe Wade Phillips knew that Jones wanted to groom Garrett to be the head coach, so this should come to no surprise to him. This is a good day for the Cowboys after the Dolphins cherry picked some of their personnel guys. And when Garrett does take over in 2009/2010 the Cowboys won't have to go through all the bs that's required with the Rooney Rule.

Do you really think he took the job thinking that he'd be gone after 2 years regardless of how he performed? I can't imagine he'd have accepted the job up front had this been presented to him.Again, I think undermining your head coach like this spells disaster for the team.

I hate to generalize, but I will in this with an observation about the Shark Pool in my many years here. Regardless of the news when it comes to the Cowboys the consesus usually will be that what ever the news is.....It's bad for Dallas. Recent examplesacells hired-Will never work well with Jerry.

Jerry meddles in the draft room-Results show either he has stopped meddling or drastically improved his abilities to evaluate talent.

TO brought in- Was going to be hell on earth and he'd rip the team apart

Garrett named OC before a HC-Stupide move by Jerry there he goes again. How will the OC and HC get along and work together?

Hiring Garrett to begin with-Why? He has no experience...yada yada......seems to have been a great hire.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams.

The list could go on and on.

I really don't see the big deal. Wade knew he would have a short window with talented team who needed a boost to the Defense and a more player friendly HC. I am sure he also knew that Red was being groomed to be the next HC. So, from that standpoint he's been a lame duck coach from day 1.

Spin away.

Not sure how this is bad for Dallas? Do people actually think Garrett wouldnt be the next dallas HC when he was hired BEFORE wade phillips last year? I thought it was pretty obvious. Im sure wade is well aware of this.

It is bad because you risk losing next season. Anyone who has worked in a management environment should know this. Anyone who has worked within a team confine should understand this. It could work - but Jones is not creating a scenario for success, but rather a template for potential disaster. As to the points above:

Pacells hired- He left before winning a playoff game. He did right the ship, but then the two parted and now it looks like the ship is not captainless, but rather captained by the emotional and foolish Jones.

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game?

TO brought in- Last year he certainly caused his share of trouble. This year however he has been absolutely great, can't argue that.

Garrett named OC before a HC - The coach you got was Wade Phillips. The result was a loss in the first playoff game. That is hardly a great success.

Hiring Garrett to begin with - seems to have been a good hire so far, certainly.

Hiring Wade-Again bad move, Wade sucks.... yada yada. He went 13-3 and this team playing pretty well and although they didn't win a playoff game. i like this team a whole lot better then any of the Parcells teams. --- except I think without Parcells huge influence over the past seasons this season might not have gone as well. And again, no playoff win. Now Wade is under the gun, and has his replacement not waiting in the wings, but weighting on his shoulders.

 

[Mustang Man]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

 

[Ridgelake]

Given that Wade and Garrett now both make $3 mil per year, I would not be surprised to see Jerry bump Wade up to say $3.5 for the remaining 2 years on his contract. Jerry isnt stupid.

 

[scott72]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

 

[Mustang Man]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.Too bad it will only last through next season

Paint it any way you want, Garrett staying with Dallas isn't good for the rest of the NFC East.

You don't see this as a slap in Phillips' face? 13-3 and Garrett gets a promotion and a raise? What did Wade get? Close to losing his job? Nice..I'm sure we sound like haters, but I think we all know if another team in the East that was not the Cowboys pulled this move you all would be saying the same thing we are. I could care less about the Cowboys because we obviously don't have to play them this year, but from the outside looking in I can see it causing problems next year if the team struggles out of the gate. After the first two game losing streak you're all going to be calling for Wade's head.

If I were a Dallas fan I wouldnt care so much about the slap in the face to Wade (although it does speak to a degree of what little respect Jones has for those who work under his employ) and more concerned about how this could easily cost you a season... maybe two. Just too much room for a locker room to explode. I mean, you have a lame duck coach and TO... TO is like the Bret Saberhagen of temperment. One year he is all great teamate, then he implodes.He was one hell of a great teamate this year.

Get off the TO nonsense this guy cried after a loss protecting his QB. I mean come on you know you would have just loved for him to rip Romo. Guess what he did not cause he respects Romo and has learned his lesson. Stop with all the what ifs about TO, he proved this year he wants and loves to be playing for the Cowboys.You can't have it both ways. Well I guess you can no matter what some people will just hope for the worst . Pretty lame!

 

[scott72]

Given that Wade and Garrett now both make $3 mil per year, I would not be surprised to see Jerry bump Wade up to say $3.5 for the remaining 2 years on his contract. Jerry isnt stupid.

Now that would make perfect sense. To give your assistant a promotion and a raise for a great season and give your HC nothing would be a discredit to Phillips imo. JJ would be basically saying Garrett was the sole reason for the good year.

 

[redman]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?