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[redman]

Given that Wade and Garrett now both make $3 mil per year, I would not be surprised to see Jerry bump Wade up to say $3.5 for the remaining 2 years on his contract. Jerry isnt stupid.

Now that would make perfect sense. To give your assistant a promotion and a raise for a great season and give your HC nothing would be a discredit to Phillips imo. JJ would be basically saying Garrett was the sole reason for the good year.

Which would make it even more telling if that didn't happen . . .

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

 

[Mustang Man]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. All I can go on is what I see not the perception of what is thought to be in other circumstances. I understand what you are saying but every situation and person is different. Just glad you are not Wade.

 

[redman]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

That answers only part of the question. Who's doing the - for lack of a better term - VBD decision making for the Cowboys that's based upon all that compiled data?

 

[Mustang Man]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

Nice pull Bankerguy

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

That answers only part of the question. Who's doing the - for lack of a better term - VBD decision making for the Cowboys that's based upon all that compiled data?

I believe it was Ireland. However, just because he is now gone doesn't mean Jerry is now going to ignore a "best practice" with a history of success. Jerry knows they have had much greater success with this approach and it will continue. I'm the first to be critical when the Cowboys make dumb decisions. Lately, I haven't had a ton to whine about.

 

[scott72]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. Just glad you are not Wade.

That's an assumption you think Wade knew what the deal was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think JJ ever came out publicy and said Wade his being hired on a interim basis until Garrett is ready to assume his position. And yes I'm VERY glad I'm not Wade because unless I was compensated in some way I'd be a little miffed and feeling unappreciated. Not the way I'd want to go into the offseason.

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

Nice pull Bankerguy

Was getting sick of the Jerry "meddles" thing. Too many fair weather fans and casual observers (Not saying you Red....you are a good guy) think they know what's going on when they don't.

 

[redman]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

That answers only part of the question. Who's doing the - for lack of a better term - VBD decision making for the Cowboys that's based upon all that compiled data?

I believe it was Ireland. However, just because he is now gone doesn't mean Jerry is now going to ignore a "best practice" with a history of success. Jerry knows they have had much greater success with this approach and it will continue. I'm the first to be critical when the Cowboys make dumb decisions. Lately, I haven't had a ton to whine about.

Fair enough. I'll watch along with you to see if he can find another Ireland that he'll defer to in the future.Has Jones said anything since Ireland's departure about replacing him?

 

[Texasmouth]

This is a great thing for the Cowboys. Anyone who doesnt agree with that doesnt know what they are talking about. Having Romo in the same system for another season is a great thing. Keeping Garrett is a great thing.

 

[Bankerguy]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

That answers only part of the question. Who's doing the - for lack of a better term - VBD decision making for the Cowboys that's based upon all that compiled data?

I believe it was Ireland. However, just because he is now gone doesn't mean Jerry is now going to ignore a "best practice" with a history of success. Jerry knows they have had much greater success with this approach and it will continue. I'm the first to be critical when the Cowboys make dumb decisions. Lately, I haven't had a ton to whine about.

Fair enough. I'll watch along with you to see if he can find another Ireland that he'll defer to in the future.Has Jones said anything since Ireland's departure about replacing him?

Just found this.....Jerry might just eliminate Ireland's position

5:16 PM Wed, Jan 02, 2008 | Permalink

Tim MacMahon

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys have no plans to add anybody to the front office before the draft. And they might not ever replace former VP of college and pro scouting Jeff Ireland now that he's left to take the Miami GM gig.

Jerry pointed out that he has a director of college scouting (Tom Ciskowski) and a director of pro scouting (Brian Gaine) still on the payroll.

"So I don’t know that we need to replace Jeff," Jerry said.

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My take:

I'll assume they mean because of the consensus approach there is no need to replace the position Ireland held. Other scouts will certainly be hired.

 

[scott72]

Jerry meddles in the draft room- He may be out of the draft room, but Parcells is also out of that room. You don't expect Jones to get back in there... heck, you think he would have been hovering above Parcells ont he sideline at the Giants game

lol...I give.

This is where you and I probably differ the most in our analysis of the Cowboys, so I'll pose this to you.I think we can agree that Parcells' and now Ireland's departures have left a vacuum in the scouting/personnel department of the Cowboys. Who do you think is going to fill that void?

A total misconception based from years ago.Here is a recent blurb from a chat that talks about my point (took me forever to find it).

================================================================================

Who will be running the draft for the Cowboys? What can you tell us about this Tom Ciskowski? I'm concerned Jerry will reach for a player like he's done in the past.

Jean-Jacques Taylor: Here's the way the Cowboys have set up their draft for the last several years. Each player gets graded by six different members of the organization. Then the player receives a consensus grade from the entire organization and that determines where he is placed on the draft board. The idea behind the concept is to prevent one person – Parcells or Jerry – from steamrolling the process. Ciskowski is a well-respected scout throughout the NFL and has handled the college scouting for several years.

That answers only part of the question. Who's doing the - for lack of a better term - VBD decision making for the Cowboys that's based upon all that compiled data?

I believe it was Ireland. However, just because he is now gone doesn't mean Jerry is now going to ignore a "best practice" with a history of success. Jerry knows they have had much greater success with this approach and it will continue. I'm the first to be critical when the Cowboys make dumb decisions. Lately, I haven't had a ton to whine about.

Fair enough. I'll watch along with you to see if he can find another Ireland that he'll defer to in the future.Has Jones said anything since Ireland's departure about replacing him?

Just found this.....Jerry might just eliminate Ireland's position

5:16 PM Wed, Jan 02, 2008 | Permalink

Tim MacMahon

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys have no plans to add anybody to the front office before the draft. And they might not ever replace former VP of college and pro scouting Jeff Ireland now that he's left to take the Miami GM gig.

Jerry pointed out that he has a director of college scouting (Tom Ciskowski) and a director of pro scouting (Brian Gaine) still on the payroll.

"So I don’t know that we need to replace Jeff," Jerry said.

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My take:

I'll assume they mean because of the consensus approach there is no need to replace the position Ireland held. Other scouts will certainly be hired.

:X

 

[redman]

Fair enough. I'll watch along with you to see if he can find another Ireland that he'll defer to in the future.

Has Jones said anything since Ireland's departure about replacing him?

Just found this.....Jerry might just eliminate Ireland's position

5:16 PM Wed, Jan 02, 2008 | Permalink

Tim MacMahon

Jerry Jones said the Cowboys have no plans to add anybody to the front office before the draft. And they might not ever replace former VP of college and pro scouting Jeff Ireland now that he's left to take the Miami GM gig.

Jerry pointed out that he has a director of college scouting (Tom Ciskowski) and a director of pro scouting (Brian Gaine) still on the payroll.

"So I don’t know that we need to replace Jeff," Jerry said.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

My take:

I'll assume they mean because of the consensus approach there is no need to replace the position Ireland held. Other scouts will certainly be hired.

I know you have faith in your team, but I can't see how this is good news. The old decisionmaker is gone, and the (allegedly) one-time meddling owner (who still IIRC officially occupies the team's GM position) is saying he doesn't need to be replaced. Someone in that draft room needs to be a decision maker, consensus or no, right?

 

[Mustang Man]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. Just glad you are not Wade.

That's an assumption you think Wade knew what the deal was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think JJ ever came out publicy and said Wade his being hired on a interim basis until Garrett is ready to assume his position. And yes I'm VERY glad I'm not Wade because unless I was compensated in some way I'd be a little miffed and feeling unappreciated. Not the way I'd want to go into the offseason.

Yes it was my assumption as well as most everyone else who followed the situation. I mean there was a what 2 week or so time period where what the Cowboys hired Garrett for OC or HC was not known. Wade is the man till stated otherwise. What is so hard to understand. Again I am glad you are not Wade.

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now.

Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management.

Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?

Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.

You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.

It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. Just glad you are not Wade.

That's an assumption you think Wade knew what the deal was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think JJ ever came out publicy and said Wade his being hired on a interim basis until Garrett is ready to assume his position. And yes I'm VERY glad I'm not Wade because unless I was compensated in some way I'd be a little miffed and feeling unappreciated. Not the way I'd want to go into the offseason.

Yes it was my assumption as well as most everyone else who followed the situation. I mean there was a what 2 week or so time period where what the Cowboys hired Garrett for OC or HC was not known. Wade is the man till stated otherwise. What is so hard to understand. Again I am glad you are not Wade.

I admittedly didn't pay too much attention when Phillips was hired but I don't remember hearing any of this talk. I'm not saying it's not true but it's the first I've heard of it. If this was the deal all along, then I'll agree that this is a good move. Do you have any links of comments made or stories written to this effect that support this assumption?

 

[chuckmorris]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now.

Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management.

Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?

Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.

You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.

It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. Just glad you are not Wade.

That's an assumption you think Wade knew what the deal was. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think JJ ever came out publicy and said Wade his being hired on a interim basis until Garrett is ready to assume his position. And yes I'm VERY glad I'm not Wade because unless I was compensated in some way I'd be a little miffed and feeling unappreciated. Not the way I'd want to go into the offseason.

Yes it was my assumption as well as most everyone else who followed the situation. I mean there was a what 2 week or so time period where what the Cowboys hired Garrett for OC or HC was not known. Wade is the man till stated otherwise. What is so hard to understand. Again I am glad you are not Wade.

Latecomer to this thread, but after having read it I also very much agree that I'm glad scott72 isn't Wade. Some folks are overly concerned with how much money other folks make (especially those with lower positions, less experience, etc.), and some folks aren't. Lots of us think that the terms of each person's agreement with their employer regarding compensation isn't anything we should be concerned with. We negotiate our deals as best we can, and if someone else manages to negotiate for more favorable terms than we do, more power to them. If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care. I'm either happy with MY deal, or I'm not. If not, then it's up to me to go back and negotiate better terms, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get my nose bent out of shape because someone else made a better deal than I did. The only interest I have in that person is in whether or not they're getting the job done, and if they're not then they're overpaid even if they're paid a pittance. I don't think Wade gives the north end of a southbound rat's ### how much money Jason makes, so long as he's effective at his job. Jason is, and that's what I think Wade cares about. I don't think there's anything to worry about here.

 

[Koya]

Enjoy the Circus Dallas. With each day without Parcells to check Jerry Jones, this franchise teeters that much more on becoming a zoo. You have two head coaches now. Either fire Wade, or go with Wade. Stradling the fence, imo, is a terrible idea which sets the stage for team mutiny and even additional scrutiny for every move made as we approach next season. God forbid a slow start to next season, I don't see how that could be salvaged when the players won't know who to consider the coach of the future... or even the present.

Hey JJ is an innovator, why doens't he just make them Co-Head Coaches. Same Pay. Same level of "juice" in the organization. Why bother at all with the "Head" and "Assistant" distinction, since it is only form over substance.

Yeah, this has disaster written all over it. By way of full disclosure, I AM a Giants fan, but sincerely think this is a bad, bad idea.Of course, there is still only one REAL head coach in Dallas. Wade Phillips was standing next to him at the end of the Giants game this past week.

Get over yourself Giants fan. The Pack was just praying that Dallas would lose and not just because they would have had to play in Dallas. The Pack know they can beat the Giants not so sure about Dallas. The Pack know they just got a gift wrapped birth to the Super Bowl thanks to Dallas much the same in the AFC with the Colts gift wrapping it for the Pats. Giants played their Super Bowl last week. It was their emotion that won that game, one Giant player I can't remember who it was said so. This game just will not be the same there is not the bad blood to motivate for the G-Men. They are in over their heads. None the less good year for the G-MEN. They goten allot further then even their biggest fan could have thought.Dallas will be fine with Garrett staying there and being paid the same as Phillips. It is much better that Garrett stayed then left. If anyone thinks that not to be the truth is just plain hating.

I think we see who is hating here - the fan of the team that lost. Seriously though, you think it is a good idea to undercut your head coach before the offseason even begins? What an awful, awful business approach. There is a reason that Dallas has not won a playoff game in over a decade, and that reason is Jerry Jones - for all of his $$'s he is WAY too involved and makes stupid decisions in terms of team management. Tell me how this an work out? If Dallas has a great season next year, are they not going to then extend Wade's contract? What if they win a Super Bowl... are you going to then change midstream and go to Garett?Far more likely, what happens when there is a tough patch next year... at 1-2 the rumblings would be huge to get rid of Wade. You could lose any chance at salvaging a season because there is no true leader on the team.You can call me a hater (I actually used to respect the Cowboys tremendously, then I respected their ability if not their coach under J Johnson, and now there is not much left to respect at all... a long time since Landry COMMANDED the respect of his team and the nation), but one would have to be blind to think having the heir apparant for a coach without that coach being on board 100% (i.e. like Gibbs being ok with one of his coordinators being tabbed as the next guy... Gibbs is HoF and at the end of his career, Wade is still awaiting a playoff victory) is a good idea.It's a TERRIBLE idea.

Who is to say Wade is not on board. I would think he would have to be considering he knew what the deal was before he even got there, everyone did. Last time I checked I have not heard Wade complain about this. Wade is not an ego tripper. Seems allot to do about nothing. I understand it is easy to kick the Cowboys around right now cause they just lost and can do nothing about it for months. Believe me taking shots and piling on the Cowboys after they lose or anything negative happens is nothing new to Cowboys fans. I love it cause it makes when we win that much more fun. I do appreciate all your concern. I am not hating. I hope either team that is left in the NFC can beat the Pats just wish Dallas still had a shot Good luck

Just because Wade doesn't air his feelings out on camera doesn't mean he's not disturbed by this whole thing. I've been in the management game, I know how I'd feel. Say your CEO of a major company and you have two assistants. You have a kick *** year. The board of directors decides to promote one of your assistants to co-CEO and give them a raise which is equal to your salary, but the board tells you your still in charge. Now tell me you'd be comfortable with that and totally feel in charge. None of us would. No too mention how your other assistant would feel. A little slighted maybe? It just doesn't make good management sense imo and it's a good way to upset the apple cart so to speak.

Well you have the right to think that. The way Wade was brought in he knew what the deal was. Garrett was the future the only way to keep Garrett was to pay him now. Wade is not an ego tripper and understands that. All I can go on is what I see not the perception of what is thought to be in other circumstances. I understand what you are saying but every situation and person is different. Just glad you are not Wade.

If Wade, as the "Head" Coach were ok with a situation that utterly undermines his authority and his teams ability to win when confronted with any kind of touch stretch, then I would be even MORE concerned. It would mean Wade is fine getting the paycheck and doesn't really care to win.Because NO business owner who truly wants success would put his key Manager in this untenable situation.

 

[Koya]

2 head coaches in Dallas is good for the rest of the NFC east.Too bad it will only last through next season

Paint it any way you want, Garrett staying with Dallas isn't good for the rest of the NFC East.

You don't see this as a slap in Phillips' face? 13-3 and Garrett gets a promotion and a raise? What did Wade get? Close to losing his job? Nice..I'm sure we sound like haters, but I think we all know if another team in the East that was not the Cowboys pulled this move you all would be saying the same thing we are. I could care less about the Cowboys because we obviously don't have to play them this year, but from the outside looking in I can see it causing problems next year if the team struggles out of the gate. After the first two game losing streak you're all going to be calling for Wade's head.

If I were a Dallas fan I wouldnt care so much about the slap in the face to Wade (although it does speak to a degree of what little respect Jones has for those who work under his employ) and more concerned about how this could easily cost you a season... maybe two. Just too much room for a locker room to explode. I mean, you have a lame duck coach and TO... TO is like the Bret Saberhagen of temperment. One year he is all great teamate, then he implodes.He was one hell of a great teamate this year.

Get off the TO nonsense this guy cried after a loss protecting his QB. I mean come on you know you would have just loved for him to rip Romo. Guess what he did not cause he respects Romo and has learned his lesson. Stop with all the what ifs about TO, he proved this year he wants and loves to be playing for the Cowboys.You can't have it both ways. Well I guess you can no matter what some people will just hope for the worst . Pretty lame!

Huh? Im giving TO props for his behavior this year. His past however demonstrates that just because he behaved this year does not mean he will next year. Maybe he will - history shows there is a good chance he does not, that is all.

 

[scott72]

If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care.

Even if that person reports to you? Sorry but that's hard to believe.

 

[redman]

Latecomer to this thread, but after having read it I also very much agree that I'm glad scott72 isn't Wade. Some folks are overly concerned with how much money other folks make (especially those with lower positions, less experience, etc.), and some folks aren't. Lots of us think that the terms of each person's agreement with their employer regarding compensation isn't anything we should be concerned with. We negotiate our deals as best we can, and if someone else manages to negotiate for more favorable terms than we do, more power to them. If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care. I'm either happy with MY deal, or I'm not. If not, then it's up to me to go back and negotiate better terms, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get my nose bent out of shape because someone else made a better deal than I did. The only interest I have in that person is in whether or not they're getting the job done, and if they're not then they're overpaid even if they're paid a pittance. I don't think Wade gives the north end of a southbound rat's ### how much money Jason makes, so long as he's effective at his job. Jason is, and that's what I think Wade cares about. I don't think there's anything to worry about here.

I have no doubt that you believe all that you wrote. I am equally sure, however, that there is no job market more filled with ego driven, status conscious people trying to one-up each other than the NFL, and that Jason Witten is probably the least representative of such persons on the entire roster.

 

[chuckmorris]

Latecomer to this thread, but after having read it I also very much agree that I'm glad scott72 isn't Wade. Some folks are overly concerned with how much money other folks make (especially those with lower positions, less experience, etc.), and some folks aren't. Lots of us think that the terms of each person's agreement with their employer regarding compensation isn't anything we should be concerned with. We negotiate our deals as best we can, and if someone else manages to negotiate for more favorable terms than we do, more power to them. If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care. I'm either happy with MY deal, or I'm not. If not, then it's up to me to go back and negotiate better terms, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get my nose bent out of shape because someone else made a better deal than I did. The only interest I have in that person is in whether or not they're getting the job done, and if they're not then they're overpaid even if they're paid a pittance. I don't think Wade gives the north end of a southbound rat's ### how much money Jason makes, so long as he's effective at his job. Jason is, and that's what I think Wade cares about. I don't think there's anything to worry about here.

I have no doubt that you believe all that you wrote. I am equally sure, however, that there is no job market more filled with ego driven, status conscious people trying to one-up each other than the NFL, and that Jason Witten is probably the least representative of such persons on the entire roster.

You'd get no argument from me on that point, and neither Wade or Garrett strike me as representative of that group either.

 

[chuckmorris]

If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care.

Even if that person reports to you? Sorry but that's hard to believe.

Yes, even if that person reports to me. Since they report to me I'm presumably "in the loop" on the decision, and the more effective the people are who work for me, the better it makes me look in the eyes of management. If I've got a key performer in my department that I really want to keep, I'd be more than pleased if management saw fit to pay them what it takes to keep them, rather than let them go. If I'm not happy with the paycheck I'm getting, that is and should be a totally separate issue.Of course not everyone feels that way, but I suspect more do than you'd think. Among the more ego-driven types such as are prevalent in the NFL there probably are fewer than in the general population, but they're there. I've seen nothing to make me think that either Wade or Jason are overly ego-driven, and if that's true then neither of them probably think this is a big deal.

 

[redman]

Latecomer to this thread, but after having read it I also very much agree that I'm glad scott72 isn't Wade. Some folks are overly concerned with how much money other folks make (especially those with lower positions, less experience, etc.), and some folks aren't. Lots of us think that the terms of each person's agreement with their employer regarding compensation isn't anything we should be concerned with. We negotiate our deals as best we can, and if someone else manages to negotiate for more favorable terms than we do, more power to them. If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care. I'm either happy with MY deal, or I'm not. If not, then it's up to me to go back and negotiate better terms, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get my nose bent out of shape because someone else made a better deal than I did. The only interest I have in that person is in whether or not they're getting the job done, and if they're not then they're overpaid even if they're paid a pittance. I don't think Wade gives the north end of a southbound rat's ### how much money Jason makes, so long as he's effective at his job. Jason is, and that's what I think Wade cares about. I don't think there's anything to worry about here.

I have no doubt that you believe all that you wrote. I am equally sure, however, that there is no job market more filled with ego driven, status conscious people trying to one-up each other than the NFL, and that Jason Witten is probably the least representative of such persons on the entire roster.

You'd get no argument from me on that point, and neither Wade or Garrett strike me as representative of that group either.

They're not the problem. It's the perceptions in the eyes of hte players that's the issue.

 

[chuckmorris]

Latecomer to this thread, but after having read it I also very much agree that I'm glad scott72 isn't Wade. Some folks are overly concerned with how much money other folks make (especially those with lower positions, less experience, etc.), and some folks aren't. Lots of us think that the terms of each person's agreement with their employer regarding compensation isn't anything we should be concerned with. We negotiate our deals as best we can, and if someone else manages to negotiate for more favorable terms than we do, more power to them. If the organization I work for manages to attract and keep the best and brightest, yet pays them better than they pay me, I don't care. I'm either happy with MY deal, or I'm not. If not, then it's up to me to go back and negotiate better terms, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to get my nose bent out of shape because someone else made a better deal than I did. The only interest I have in that person is in whether or not they're getting the job done, and if they're not then they're overpaid even if they're paid a pittance. I don't think Wade gives the north end of a southbound rat's ### how much money Jason makes, so long as he's effective at his job. Jason is, and that's what I think Wade cares about. I don't think there's anything to worry about here.

I have no doubt that you believe all that you wrote. I am equally sure, however, that there is no job market more filled with ego driven, status conscious people trying to one-up each other than the NFL, and that Jason Witten is probably the least representative of such persons on the entire roster.

You'd get no argument from me on that point, and neither Wade or Garrett strike me as representative of that group either.

They're not the problem. It's the perceptions in the eyes of hte players that's the issue.

Somehow I doubt that many players will conclude that they'd be able to get away with acting as if they believe Wade is a lame duck, whether any may think so or not. If they don't give Wade the effort that he expects from them, the odds are good that they'll find themselves riding the bench until they do.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Lots of discussion about Wades feelings. Certainly that is one of the points. Lots of discussion about Jerry Jones reasserting himself which is also a point. The bigger point in my mind is that disgruntled players with any beef are going to be tempted to disregard the authority of Phillips and run to Garret or to Jones with their beefs. When you have three people in charge you have no one in charge. This will fracture this team.

 

[redman]

Lots of discussion about Wades feelings. Certainly that is one of the points. Lots of discussion about Jerry Jones reasserting himself which is also a point. The bigger point in my mind is that disgruntled players with any beef are going to be tempted to disregard the authority of Phillips and run to Garret or to Jones with their beefs. When you have three people in charge you have no one in charge. This will fracture this team.

This is what I've been trying to explain, but the Cowboys fans aren't buying it.

 

[redman]

Given that Wade and Garrett now both make $3 mil per year, I would not be surprised to see Jerry bump Wade up to say $3.5 for the remaining 2 years on his contract. Jerry isnt stupid.

Now that would make perfect sense. To give your assistant a promotion and a raise for a great season and give your HC nothing would be a discredit to Phillips imo. JJ would be basically saying Garrett was the sole reason for the good year.

Which would make it even more telling if that didn't happen . . .

 

[Mustang Man]

Lots of discussion about Wades feelings. Certainly that is one of the points. Lots of discussion about Jerry Jones reasserting himself which is also a point. The bigger point in my mind is that disgruntled players with any beef are going to be tempted to disregard the authority of Phillips and run to Garret or to Jones with their beefs. When you have three people in charge you have no one in charge. This will fracture this team.

This is what I've been trying to explain, but the Cowboys fans aren't buying it.

Ok so in that theory the Cowboys already had 2 people in charge so what is another. I doubt this is going to be a big deal. The only thing that had changed from last year (13-3) is the money that Garrett is being paid.

 

[Bankerguy]

By ALBERT BREER / The Dallas Morning News

abreer@dallasnews.com

IRVING – The record-setting salary Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett will garner may not make owner Jerry Jones popular with his counterparts.

But his coach doesn't mind.

Sources say Garrett is the league's highest-paid assistant, eclipsing the $2.6 million salary of Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and will make near the $3 million head coach Wade Phillips pulls in.

Phillips says he's fine with that.

"I'm just glad we kept Jason, that's my only concern," Phillips said. "If you know me, you know it doesn't bother me at all. Matter of fact, I'm always happy for coaches that get a raise. I want all my assistant coaches to make all they can."

Jones gave Garrett the raise to keep him as coordinator shortly after Atlanta and Baltimore conducted second interviews with the Cowboys assistant, and the Ravens offered him their head coaching job.

 

[Mustang Man]

By ALBERT BREER / The Dallas Morning News abreer@dallasnews.comIRVING – The record-setting salary Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett will garner may not make owner Jerry Jones popular with his counterparts. But his coach doesn't mind. Sources say Garrett is the league's highest-paid assistant, eclipsing the $2.6 million salary of Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and will make near the $3 million head coach Wade Phillips pulls in. Phillips says he's fine with that. "I'm just glad we kept Jason, that's my only concern," Phillips said. "If you know me, you know it doesn't bother me at all. Matter of fact, I'm always happy for coaches that get a raise. I want all my assistant coaches to make all they can." Jones gave Garrett the raise to keep him as coordinator shortly after Atlanta and Baltimore conducted second interviews with the Cowboys assistant, and the Ravens offered him their head coaching job.

That does not surprise me. I believe he really does not care. He knows Garrett is a big part of the success they had last year. Any good coach would love to keep his top assistants. Stop hating.

 

[redman]

By ALBERT BREER / The Dallas Morning News abreer@dallasnews.comIRVING – The record-setting salary Cowboys offensive coordinator Jason Garrett will garner may not make owner Jerry Jones popular with his counterparts. But his coach doesn't mind. Sources say Garrett is the league's highest-paid assistant, eclipsing the $2.6 million salary of Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and will make near the $3 million head coach Wade Phillips pulls in. Phillips says he's fine with that. "I'm just glad we kept Jason, that's my only concern," Phillips said. "If you know me, you know it doesn't bother me at all. Matter of fact, I'm always happy for coaches that get a raise. I want all my assistant coaches to make all they can." Jones gave Garrett the raise to keep him as coordinator shortly after Atlanta and Baltimore conducted second interviews with the Cowboys assistant, and the Ravens offered him their head coaching job.

That does not surprise me. I believe he really does not care. He knows Garrett is a big part of the success they had last year. Any good coach would love to keep his top assistants. Stop hating.

It doesn't surprise me either, because even if he did care he couldn't say anything different. Regardless, as I said above, the issue isn't Wade's perception, it's the players' perception, particularly in cases where Wade needs to be critical of them or discipline them in some way. There's no guarantee of course that this means anything, but the offseason doesn't figure to tell us much. Training camp and more likely the 2008 season will be where this comes to a head.

 

[chuckmorris]

Lots of discussion about Wades feelings. Certainly that is one of the points. Lots of discussion about Jerry Jones reasserting himself which is also a point. The bigger point in my mind is that disgruntled players with any beef are going to be tempted to disregard the authority of Phillips and run to Garret or to Jones with their beefs. When you have three people in charge you have no one in charge. This will fracture this team.

Not a chance. If any player tries an end-around, I'd be amazed if whoever they went to didn't remind them rather bluntly who they should be taking the issue to. If you're actually trying to run an organization, you don't allow that sort of thing to be tolerated. Otherwise, the inmates will run the asylum.

 

[redman]

Lots of discussion about Wades feelings. Certainly that is one of the points. Lots of discussion about Jerry Jones reasserting himself which is also a point. The bigger point in my mind is that disgruntled players with any beef are going to be tempted to disregard the authority of Phillips and run to Garret or to Jones with their beefs. When you have three people in charge you have no one in charge. This will fracture this team.

Not a chance. If any player tries an end-around, I'd be amazed if whoever they went to didn't remind them rather bluntly who they should be taking the issue to. If you're actually trying to run an organization, you don't allow that sort of thing to be tolerated. Otherwise, the inmates will run the asylum.

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