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Javid Best worth a deep flyer stash? (1 Viewer)

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If Javhid Best comes back from Pup and is cleared to play. Any chance he starts? With leshoure playing like crap....he could be a sneaky pick,

My guess is he plays like crap first week back he is cleared....then has 2 weeks of good play...then gets hurt.

But those two weeks could get a dude in the playoffs.

 
'Crazy Tony said:
If Javhid Best comes back from Pup and is cleared to play. Any chance he starts? With leshoure playing like crap....he could be a sneaky pick,My guess is he plays like crap first week back he is cleared....then has 2 weeks of good play...then gets hurt. But those two weeks could get a dude in the playoffs.
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There hasn't been any new news on Best in a while. Last month it was said that he hoped to be back when he comes off PUP, but that's what he's been hoping for a year now. Only his doctors really know the likelihood; it would not be surprising if his career is over, but he also has a decent possibility of coming back.If he comes back, he may be rusty, but it's worth noting that his injury shouldn't have any direct impact on his running performance; it's not like an ACL (or an Achilles, for that matter). He's been able to work out for months but it might take him some time to get back into getting hit.Regardless of his injury, you can expect him to be in a pass-catching, change of pace role rather than an every-down back role. Especially in PPR he may be valuable, and he does have the ability to hit home runs on almost any play, but I think you're looking at 15 touches a game rather than 25.
 
I would need a pretty big bench to hold Best. The concussion thing has drug out for a long time. I also would think Detroit would feel they can not count on him as a long term fixture so I would agree that if he comes back I would expect more of a 3rd down RB role.

 
I believe so, owning both Leshoure and Best. In the long run I think the only back that can be effective in that system is Best being used in the scatback/wr role that Sproles does and that the team says they want Best to do.

 
Take this for what it's worth, but one of the Lions beat reporters Josh Katzenstein put it "95% chance of Best returning this year" in a webchat last week. I poked him about it because I had heard nothing from anyone to make me this optimistic and he just said basically he's been working out and not on IR/PUP yet. I think it's a reach but enough difference from the general consensus that I thought it might be relevant.

LINKIE

 
At one point this summer I read the docs wanted a full year of healing before he played again. So that would have him returning sometime this year. Worst case I figure they will have him out there at the end of the year to see if he will have any issues. Though I'd tend to believe if he has one more concussion he'll probably be forced into retirement with no teams giving him a medical release to play again.

In the games he has played in though, he has produced well, so he is the perfect bust/boom player. It's just a cat-n-mouse game you have to play with your league mates on when to roster him at the latest moment possible... which will different in league to league.

 
If you have the open space he is worth a stash, the Lions love him more than they love Leshoure. They handed Leshoure the job without every playing a regular season down in week 3. He fits this offense well, the problem is his health. If he could stay healthy he would be a solid top 10 back year in and year out, even averaging 3.7 ypc.

 
I'm thinking that both him and collie are going to be the NFL poster children for how much they care about concussions. Which means don't count on them playing. And if they do play any small "stinger" will bench them for a while.

 
'Patroclus said:
I'm thinking that both him and collie are going to be the NFL poster children for how much they care about concussions. Which means don't count on them playing. And if they do play any small "stinger" will bench them for a while.
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Ironic that you say that, since Collie was out for concussion symptoms...then came back and played healthy for an entire year while Peyton was out. Then suffered ANOTHER concussion at the beginning of this season. And then AGAIN was allowed to play, where he suffered a season-ending non-head related injury. So....how is Collie an NFL poster child for concussion safety? Best will be back just like Collie was. Clinton Portis is the only recent player to retire after concussions, and he was already washed up and fairly close to retirement age with all the carries piles up. People said Collie's brain was jelly, just like they're saying that about Best. Collie was back, suffered ANOTHER concussion and came back again a couple weeks later. People like to interpret no news as very, very, very bad news. It's in our natures. But Best's doctors always wanted him to take a year off.
 
I find it funny when someone refers to Leshoure as playing like crap. Are those same people saying he was a stud after week 3? I think he's somewhere between his week 3 and week 4 production. To keep on topic, I'd only mess with Best if you've got an IR spot to stash him on. I'd be surprised if he does anything relevant this year. Even if Best comes back, I expect the Lions to be throwing it 50 times a game as the year winds down.

 
'houston said:
I find it funny when someone refers to Leshoure as playing like crap. Are those same people saying he was a stud after week 3? I think he's somewhere between his week 3 and week 4 production. To keep on topic, I'd only mess with Best if you've got an IR spot to stash him on. I'd be surprised if he does anything relevant this year. Even if Best comes back, I expect the Lions to be throwing it 50 times a game as the year winds down.
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And the Lions have been very vocal that when Best comes back, he will be used in the passing game, barely at all in the run game.They will be passing 50 times a game, because their Oline is AWFUL. Both of those are detriments to Leshoure, and boons to Best.
 
I think he's definitely worth a shot. Could be a decent flex play in PPR. Word in Detroit is that the coaches can't wait for him to return.

 
In the schwartz presser last week he did discuss the problems w the run game. He did say the team wasnt gettin the home run plays they need to bring the defense up and open the passing game more. He also made it clear that he thought the current rbs are capable of it. Personally i felt like he was sayin itll be better when best comes back. I don't think best will have a long career. But i do think he would have recieved an injury settlement of sorts if he wasn't able to play. Jmo but i think best is inline for 8-12 touches per game when he comes back. With the occassional 12-15 sprinkled in. I think hell be used as a decoy in a lot of his snap count. The coach cant come out n say his rbs cant be explosive but, imo with those defensive sets theyve been seeing they would have proven it already. Lions need better blocking for sure but best can outrun if they aren't blocking for em n he will be used in sweeps screens dumpoffs what have you. Again just speculation on my part with a lil bit of facts sprinkled in. I have best on my dynasty and i'm not expecting much his first game back. I do believe he is worth a roster stash probably higher than end of your bench. Best with fresh legs half way thru the season =a possible high points for the week

 
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To be honest, I thought Collie got put on the IR for another concussion. I honestly think Best will be back week 7 with a Sproles-like role moving forward barring injury. The only reason I haven't scooped him up yet is because I play in a 5 reserve league.

 
I'm in a league where the RB's are so scarce I picked him up this week for the league minimum. I can hold him for 4 weeks if need be. Also I'm homer so there's that too.

 
i think he will split time with leshoure. he's the 3rd down and may spell mikel. he's great for PPR and can be a rainmaker with big plays. he's probably someone that can be had rather cheaply too.

 
Jahvid Best said he hasn't taken any concussion tests recently.

Without a test, Best obviously hasn't been cleared. He's eligible to come off the PUP list for a Week 8 matchup in Chicago, but no one knows if he'll be allowed to do so. The Lions probably don't even know yet. Expect Best to begin going through some concussion protocol as that October 28 date gets closer. Source: Dave Birkett on Twitter Oct 4 - 8:39 AM

Lions beat reporter.

Best, Collie- its criminal that they are still playing...won't even recognize their family by the time they are 50.

 
'kencav said:
Jahvid Best said he hasn't taken any concussion tests recently.Without a test, Best obviously hasn't been cleared. He's eligible to come off the PUP list for a Week 8 matchup in Chicago, but no one knows if he'll be allowed to do so. The Lions probably don't even know yet. Expect Best to begin going through some concussion protocol as that October 28 date gets closer. Source: Dave Birkett on Twitter Oct 4 - 8:39 AMLions beat reporter.Best, Collie- its criminal that they are still playing...won't even recognize their family by the time they are 50.
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so you're saying you wouldn't pick him up off the WW?
 
'Chazzhawk said:
If you have the open space he is worth a stash, the Lions love him more than they love Leshoure. They handed Leshoure the job without every playing a regular season down in week 3. He fits this offense well, the problem is his health. If he could stay healthy he would be a solid top 10 back year in and year out, even averaging 3.7 ypc.
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The Lions were so happy with Best that they drafted a RB in the 2nd round after seeing his rookie season?
 
'kencav said:
Best, Collie- its criminal that they are still playing...won't even recognize their family by the time they are 50.
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Do you have authority to say that? Steve Young retired because of repeated concussions, but he seems to be as lucid as any of the studio talking heads. He turned 50 last year. It's clear that the effect of repeated head impacts can be bad. It's not at all clear that Best and Collie are at significantly greater long-term risk than other NFL players,.
 
If you have an open IR spot, sure. Same deal if you're in a very deep league, especially if you're the LeShoure owner.

I wouldn't create a spot for him though, it's been a year and he's still not on the field - there really is no counter argument to that fact.

 
'WisWolvrns said:
At one point this summer I read the docs wanted a full year of healing before he played again.
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I remember reading that too. It sounded like he's been fine for some time now but the doctors were asking him to be extra cautious and put a full year between playing again and the last concussion.
 
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Found this on the Lions website

From a couple of weeks ago

http://www.detroitli...42-ff2754b5701a

The good thing about his six-week stay on the PUP list is that it will make the time since his last concussion creep over the one-year mark. I don't know if that's significant or not, but Schwartz said Best's time on the PUP list will coincide with the range doctors wanted Best to be in before his return.

Here's what Schwartz said:

"Well, that's within the range of where the doctors wanted him to be. So it made for an easier decision; it's not an easy decision but it made it an easier decision.

"We'll just wait and see. Like I keep saying, he's looked extremely good in all his physical stuff and as soon as we can get him back and get clearance we will."

 
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'CrazyFox said:
'WisWolvrns said:
At one point this summer I read the docs wanted a full year of healing before he played again.
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I remember reading that too. It sounded like he's been fine for some time now but the doctors were asking him to be extra cautious and put a full year between playing again and the last concussion.
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I have no worthwhile medical knowledge but 10.5 versus 12 months seems sort of trivial when dealing with concussion after effects. It's really difficult for me to see how someone can take 10-11 months off from a concussion and realistically hope the last 6 weeks are going to be a difference maker.So I'm not entirely convinced he is going to get cleared and if he does I'm extremely unconvinced he can stay on the field long.But even with all that negativity I'd pick him up in a heartbeat. In PPR leagues he can play a sidekick role to Leshoure and still be a RB3 if not more and Leshoure has not exactly been a picture of good health so if Best can beat the odds and stay healthy his role could grow.By my count Best has played 8 healthy games in this NFL career. 6 games last year and 2 his rookie year before the toe issues. He's hit double digit fantasy points in all but one game while mixing in explosive type performances. I'd find a way to make room for him and if in 3 weeks he's not playing than cut bait.
 
'CalBear said:
'kencav said:
Best, Collie- its criminal that they are still playing...won't even recognize their family by the time they are 50.
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Do you have authority to say that? Steve Young retired because of repeated concussions, but he seems to be as lucid as any of the studio talking heads. He turned 50 last year. It's clear that the effect of repeated head impacts can be bad. It's not at all clear that Best and Collie are at significantly greater long-term risk than other NFL players,.
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That's setting the bar pretty low.
 
'menobrown said:
'CrazyFox said:
'WisWolvrns said:
At one point this summer I read the docs wanted a full year of healing before he played again.
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I remember reading that too. It sounded like he's been fine for some time now but the doctors were asking him to be extra cautious and put a full year between playing again and the last concussion.
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I have no worthwhile medical knowledge but 10.5 versus 12 months seems sort of trivial when dealing with concussion after effects. It's really difficult for me to see how someone can take 10-11 months off from a concussion and realistically hope the last 6 weeks are going to be a difference maker.So I'm not entirely convinced he is going to get cleared and if he does I'm extremely unconvinced he can stay on the field long.But even with all that negativity I'd pick him up in a heartbeat. In PPR leagues he can play a sidekick role to Leshoure and still be a RB3 if not more and Leshoure has not exactly been a picture of good health so if Best can beat the odds and stay healthy his role could grow.By my count Best has played 8 healthy games in this NFL career. 6 games last year and 2 his rookie year before the toe issues. He's hit double digit fantasy points in all but one game while mixing in explosive type performances. I'd find a way to make room for him and if in 3 weeks he's not playing than cut bait.
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Yeah, I don't know what the difference would be either between...."wait a whole year" or " you should be okay for the start of the season". It might be a lost cause. Who knows. But I agree he's worth a shot if a person has room and we'll know much more in a couple of weeks. It's not like there's much else on the waivers wires at RB that could develop into something long term.
 
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/10/03/sports/doc506cb63a4e8a9761020255.txt

Best, who sustained a concussion on Oct. 16, is on the physically unable to perform list. If he’s cleared for contact, he’ll be able to start practicing the week of Oct. 15.

So I guess if you think he's worth a stash on your roster, you might want to pick him up soon.

Because next week there will probably be more reports on him and other owners in your league might think about grabbing him too.

 
'menobrown said:
I have no worthwhile medical knowledge but 10.5 versus 12 months seems sort of trivial when dealing with concussion after effects. It's really difficult for me to see how someone can take 10-11 months off from a concussion and realistically hope the last 6 weeks are going to be a difference maker.

So I'm not entirely convinced he is going to get cleared and if he does I'm extremely unconvinced he can stay on the field long.

But even with all that negativity I'd pick him up in a heartbeat. In PPR leagues he can play a sidekick role to Leshoure and still be a RB3 if not more and Leshoure has not exactly been a picture of good health so if Best can beat the odds and stay healthy his role could grow.

By my count Best has played 8 healthy games in this NFL career. 6 games last year and 2 his rookie year before the toe issues. He's hit double digit fantasy points in all but one game while mixing in explosive type performances. I'd find a way to make room for him and if in 3 weeks he's not playing than cut bait.
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i don't think he was able to participate in any of the offseason or preseason games either, right? it would simply be too soon. so using the PUP gives them some time.
 
It's worth a deep flyer. If he comes back, even if for just a few games, he could be a difference maker. When healthy, he has been a fantasy stud.

 
ESPN's Adam Schefter reported #Lions are "hopeful" Jahvid Best will play in Week 7 v Bears. Best will go through concussion tests this week.

might be time to roster him just in case he passes.

 
In leagues where you are thin at RB I would absolutely stash this guy. Who else you can pick up for nothing has more upside when he's on the field? Even if he only plays a handful of games he could be a high upside bye week or flex play.

 
'Ilov80s said:
It's worth a deep flyer. If he comes back, even if for just a few games, he could be a difference maker. When healthy, he has been a fantasy stud.
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He's played in 22 games in his life and was a "fantasy stud" in exactly 3 of them.
 
Definitely interested in the potential. Any thoughts on his value vs the likes of Bilal Powell in a deep .5 PPR league?

 
'Brownje6 said:
Definitely interested in the potential. Any thoughts on his value vs the likes of Bilal Powell in a deep .5 PPR league?
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I would rather take a chance of Best, obviously a much better offense. If and when he is cleared to play, he will at least have a role in the passing game.
 
just picked him up in both my leagues....better early then never. If he doesnt come back i`ll grab the next flavor of the week.

 
The worst thing that ever happened to FF players is the day J Best dropped a 50 spot on the Eagles in PPR, in his 2nd career game.

Edit: Probably not THE worst thing. But this guy leads you on...

 
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This guy is the Vick of running backs. Crazy upside and awesome points per game, especially in a ppr league when he is on the field. Shamefully I picked him up in my uber jelly beans league.

 
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