Javon Walker a top 10 fantasy WR this year? (1 Viewer)

[fridayfrenzy]

How about this statement: Walker is an elite talent that has proven when healthy and as a starter that he is "elite."

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That is the exact same thing.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I can definitely see Walker getting 60 receptions in Denver this season, but that won't be near enough to put him at the elite level.  Among WRs, Rod Smith will still get the lion's share of receptions...budget 50-60 receptions going to RBs, and another 30-50 going to the TEs, and there isn't enough to go around among the Denver WRs.

2005 Denver WRs Receptions:

R. Smith = 85

A. Lelie = 42

C. Adams = 21

2004 Denver WRs Receptions:

R. Smith = 79

A. Lelie = 54

D. Watts = 31

2003 Denver WRs Receptions:

R. Smith = 74

A. Lelie = 37

E. McCaffrey = 19

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Exactly. The numbers just aren't there to make Walker a Top 10 WR this year, and thats ignoring the fact that he is coming off of a very serious injury.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Friday you ate crow on the L. Jordan saga from last year and you could be set to eat some more crow.

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Its funny how you always like to bring this up, yet forget how you were wrong on Leftwich, Matt Jones, Curtis Martin, Lelie, etc. If you are going to talk about the ones you called correctly, don't disregard the wrong ones. TIA.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Friday you ate crow on the L. Jordan saga from last year and you could be set to eat some more crow.

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Its funny how you always like to bring this up, yet forget how you were wrong on Leftwich, Matt Jones, Curtis Martin, Lelie, etc. If you are going to talk about the ones you called correctly, don't disregard the wrong ones. TIA.
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the only guy we had a 10 page argument on was Jordan.Of course I am not going to be right on all my draft moves, no one is.

You did though admit to eatting major crow on Jordan.

 

[DropKick]

Coming back from ACL injury and changing teams, not always a smooth transition for a WR. 700-800 yards in '06. Back to form in '07.

 

[Rhino]

This guy is an elite talent that has proven he is elilte. 

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YR      G       TRG     REC     YD      Y/R     TD      FPT     RANK2002    15      50      23      319     13.9    1       39      942003    16      74      41      716     17.5    9       126     212004    16      138     89      1382    15.5    12      210     22005    1       5       4       27      6.8     0       3       155Maybe I have a different definition of "proven", but I do not think 1 good season out of his 4 years in the NFL means he is a "proven" elite talent.
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Thanks for saving me the trouble of posting this. Walker is ANYTHING BUT proven. As a matter of fact, we're talking about a guy who hasn't played a down of football in over 18 months. There is potential for Walker to do very well in Denver this year, but IMO he's a very risky pick. You roll the dice and it could pay off huge or it could be a big bust.

 

[Rhino]

How about this statement: Walker is an elite talent that has proven when healthy and as a starter that he is "elite."

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I don't even think that is an accurate statement. Walker was perfectly healthy in 2002 and 2003 and his numbers were nowhere near "elite". He may not have started those seasons - but he did play every game. He had one good year and then got hurt. He's not shown at all that he can repeat this level of play.As a matter of fact, the Packers had so much faith in Walker that at the start of the 2004 season IIRC he was listed as the #3 receiver behind Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson. He might have been #2 ahead of Ferguson, but I remember there was a training camp battle there and they weren't sure going in who was going to win it.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

How about this statement: Walker is an elite talent that has proven when healthy and as a starter that he is "elite."

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I don't even think that is an accurate statement. Walker was perfectly healthy in 2002 and 2003 and his numbers were nowhere near "elite". He may not have started those seasons - but he did play every game. He had one good year and then got hurt. He's not shown at all that he can repeat this level of play.As a matter of fact, the Packers had so much faith in Walker that at the start of the 2004 season IIRC he was listed as the #3 receiver behind Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson. He might have been #2 ahead of Ferguson, but I remember there was a training camp battle there and they weren't sure going in who was going to win it.

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Harrison;s first 3 years in the league he had

836 yards 8Td's

866 yards 6 Td's

776 yards 7 Td's

First 3 year total equals 2478 with 22 TD's

T Owen's first 3 years in the league

520 yards 4 TD's

936 yards 8 TD's

1097 yards 14 TD's

First 3 year total 2553 with 26 TD's

J. Walker's first 3 years in the league

319 yards 1 TD

716 yards 9 TD's

1382 yards 12 TD's

First 3 year total 2417 with 22 TD's

Who cares where he was listed at the start of the 2004 year. 2004 was his coming out party. And he would have had similar numbers this past season in Green Bay if he was not hurt and perhaps he may have exceeded those numbers. Therefore the reason he did not repeat this level of play was injury. And not because of nagging injuries it was a torn ligament. Walker is an elite talent and the only thing I have holding him back is whether or not his knee is 100%. If it is he should return to elite status.

 

[Wade]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

How about this statement: Walker is an elite talent that has proven when healthy and as a starter that he is "elite."

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I don't even think that is an accurate statement. Walker was perfectly healthy in 2002 and 2003 and his numbers were nowhere near "elite". He may not have started those seasons - but he did play every game. He had one good year and then got hurt. He's not shown at all that he can repeat this level of play.As a matter of fact, the Packers had so much faith in Walker that at the start of the 2004 season IIRC he was listed as the #3 receiver behind Donald Driver and Robert Ferguson. He might have been #2 ahead of Ferguson, but I remember there was a training camp battle there and they weren't sure going in who was going to win it.

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Harrison;s first 3 years in the league he had

836 yards 8Td's

866 yards 6 Td's

776 yards 7 Td's

First 3 year total equals 2478 with 22 TD's

T Owen's first 3 years in the league

520 yards 4 TD's

936 yards 8 TD's

1097 yards 14 TD's

First 3 year total 2553 with 26 TD's

J. Walker's first 3 years in the league

319 yards 1 TD

716 yards 9 TD's

1382 yards 12 TD's

First 3 year total 2417 with 22 TD's

Who cares where he was listed at the start of the 2004 year. 2004 was his coming out party. And he would have had similar numbers this past season in Green Bay if he was not hurt and perhaps he may have exceeded those numbers. Therefore the reason he did not repeat this level of play was injury. And not because of nagging injuries it was a torn ligament. Walker is an elite talent and the only thing I have holding him back is whether or not his knee is 100%. If it is he should return to elite status.

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Those players you listed werent considered proven at that point in their careers yet....thats my whole point. I can show you stats of players who have done just as well as Walker, but are not anywhere near elite status. So why the double standard?Walker is a good WR, but proven elite talent, he is not. There is no two ways around it.

Go bark up some other tree, because there is no way you can tell me a player who has caught over 80 balls ONCE in his career has proven anything yet.

Walker has 157 catches in his entire career, and you are telling me he is proven. LOL. Peerless Price had 252 catches in 4 years in the league, and look where he is.

You are grasping at anything if you think Walker has proven anything yet.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

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Well by Carter_Can_Fly's standards he is.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

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Well by Carter_Can_Fly's standards he is.

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Howabout another one....do you consider Joey Galloway "proven elite talent"?Joey Galloway's 1st three years in the NFL....better than Walker's.

YR      TM      G       REC     YD      Y/R     TD      FPT     RANK1995    SEA     16      67      1039    15.5    7       167     141996    SEA     16      57      987     17.3    7       153     131997    SEA     15      72      1049    14.6    12      184     5

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Ok one more time to try and satisfy you Friday.

Javon Walker is an "elite" talent and has had a great year and perhaps proven that when healthy and starting he has a chance to be one of the top 10 WR's in fantasy football as well as real football. Only time will tell if 2004 was fluke or not.

He may not be proven over a long time as he has only played 3 NFL seasons, (not counting his one game where he got injured last year) but in his last full year of healthy football he proved that he can put up big numbers. Will this trend continue? who knows? but my guess is as good as yours right now.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

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Well by Carter_Can_Fly's standards he is.

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LOL in hindsight you may say Freeman is not an elite reciever but he put up some solid numbers. He would not be considred elite but definitely better than average. In the prime of his career from 1996 to 2001 which was 6 years (his best football years playing) he had an average of 1067 yards receiving per season and averaged 9.3 TD's per year. Now, those are not hall of fame numbers but definitely not poor by any means especially over a 6 year span.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Ok one more time to try and satisfy you Friday.

Javon Walker is an "elite" talent and has had a great year and perhaps proven that when healthy and starting he has a chance to be one of the top 10 WR's in fantasy football as well as real football.  Only time will tell if 2004 was fluke or not. 

He may not be proven over a long time as he has only played 3 NFL seasons, (not counting his one game where he got injured last year) but in his last full year of healthy football he proved that he can put up big numbers.  Will this trend continue? who knows? but my guess is as good as yours right now.

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Michael Clayton also proved he can put up big numbers in one season....it meant nothing the next year.If you have to question if the trend will continue, then you have answered the question of whether or not he is proven.

No one questions if WRs like Owens, Holt, Harrison, CJ, will put up big numbers again. Those, my friend, are the definition of proven elite talents.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

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Well by Carter_Can_Fly's standards he is.

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LOL in hindsight you may say Freeman is not an elite reciever but he put up some solid numbers. He would not be considred elite but definitely better than average. In the prime of his career from 1996 to 2001 which was 6 years (his best football years playing) he had an average of 1067 yards receiving per season and averaged 9.3 TD's per year. Now, those are not hall of fame numbers but definitely not poor by any means especially over a 6 year span.
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I will also add that J. Walker has way more talent than Freeman ever had.

 

[Wade]

I will also add that J. Walker has way more talent than Freeman ever had.

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I agree with you; but I think you see our point that Walker might be an elite receiver, ready to blossom, who -- like T.O. -- can go to any city and dominate the game...or -- like A.Freeman -- Walker might be a product of Favre's greatness, doomed to mediocrity in most other settings.Until Walker proves it...better safe than sorry...

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I will also add that J. Walker has way more talent than Freeman ever had.

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I agree with you; but I think you see our point that Walker might be an elite receiver, ready to blossom, who -- like T.O. -- can go to any city and dominate the game...or -- like A.Freeman -- Walker might be a product of Favre's greatness, doomed to mediocrity in most other settings.Until Walker proves it...better safe than sorry...

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I totally agree with this post, but predictions are what they are predictions. My prediction is he finishes top 10 if healthy and while some agree with me others do not, only time will tell. There are good arguments to sway people both in one direction or the other. I do see your point though.

 

[SSOG]

If Walker is healthy I believe he finishes as a top 10 fantasy Wr this year.  Who is with me?

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Here's your problem.The guy is coming off of an ACL injury. How many WRs recovering from that kind of injury was as productive the year after the injury as the year before?

Top 30 at best for 2006, but could be a stud in 2007.

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.ACL's a 2-year injury.

 

[ChampBailey24]

Ok one more time to try and satisfy you Friday.

Javon Walker is an "elite" talent and has had a great year and perhaps proven that when healthy and starting he has a chance to be one of the top 10 WR's in fantasy football as well as real football.  Only time will tell if 2004 was fluke or not. 

He may not be proven over a long time as he has only played 3 NFL seasons, (not counting his one game where he got injured last year) but in his last full year of healthy football he proved that he can put up big numbers.  Will this trend continue? who knows? but my guess is as good as yours right now.

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Javon Walker probably IS an elite talet but he is not a proven one. He's had 1 good season so far.

 

[-OZ-]

Antonio Freeman's First Three Years in the League:

8 rec, 106 yds, 1 td

56 rec, 933 yds, 9 td

81 rec, 1243 yds, 12 td

First three year total 2282 yds, 22 td

Elite receiver?

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Well by Carter_Can_Fly's standards he is.

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Howabout another one....do you consider Joey Galloway "proven elite talent"?Joey Galloway's 1st three years in the NFL....better than Walker's.

YR      TM      G       REC     YD      Y/R     TD      FPT     RANK1995    SEA     16      67      1039    15.5    7       167     141996    SEA     16      57      987     17.3    7       153     131997    SEA     15      72      1049    14.6    12      184     5<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Can I play too? WR A

1999 Chicago Bears 19 219 3

2000 Chicago Bears 47 490 2

2001 Chicago Bears 100 1071 8

2002 Chicago Bears 97 1189 6

WR B

1999 Arizona Cardinals 40 473 2

2000 Arizona Cardinals 71 1156 7

2001 Arizona Cardinals 98 1598 8

 

[fridayfrenzy]

2001 Arizona Cardinals 98 1598 8

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[Pick]

Don't count out Rod Smith.

 

[MrPack]

Ok one more time to try and satisfy you Friday.

Javon Walker is a "elite" good talent and has had a great year and perhaps proven that when healthy and starting he has a chance to be one of the top 10 WR's in fantasy football as well as real football.  Only time will tell if 2004 was fluke or not. 

He may not be proven over a long time as he has only played 3 NFL seasons, (not counting his one game where he got injured last year) but in his last full year of healthy football he proved that he can put up big numbers.  Will this trend continue? who knows? but my guess is as good as yours right now.

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Fixed it for you

 

[Big Score]

Ok one more time to try and satisfy you Friday.

Javon Walker is a "elite" good talent and has had a great year and perhaps proven that when healthy and starting he has a chance to be one of the top 10 WR's in fantasy football as well as real football.  Only time will tell if 2004 was fluke or not. 

He may not be proven over a long time as he has only played 3 NFL seasons, (not counting his one game where he got injured last year) but in his last full year of healthy football he proved that he can put up big numbers.  Will this trend continue? who knows? but my guess is as good as yours right now.

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Fixed it for you
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Fixed it for you