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How do you read between those lines and come up with drugs??? Hooker maybe since he was alone but drugs? Even the hooker angle doesn't necessarily connect with him being alone.Please enlighten me as to how you're connecting those dots.
Do none of you understand personal responsibility and maturity??By the way - he "works so hard" the Broncos cut him for failing to show up to work. He "works so hard at his job" he's substantially overweight reporting to his OTA's with his new team.Why should you be giving Javon Walker advice on how to live his life?I think Javon Walker knows himself quite a bit better than a random stranger, and Walker's quite a bit more successful than you, too. He's a multi-millionaire who has a dream job. The fact that you envy his salary and profession doesn't mean you know how Walker should best live to be a football player.Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.As for "a lot of single young guys":
A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy.
A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp.
Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
Some people work so hard so they can actually live life when they're not at work. Work hard, play hard. I'm sure Walker works harder than you do, and dedicates himself to his job more than you do. It's his off-season. If nothing in his contract prevents him from doing this, why would you resent him?
To bring this up when he just was the victim of what looks like a pretty gruesome assault is incredibly small of you. Walker shouldn't be rooted against just because he makes a lot of money.
Yeah, he's a hard worker who "dedicates himself to his job" 
Why do people keep bringing up prostitution? There's no proof of that... so unfair.
Lotsa money?
You are reading way too much into the out of shape thing. In the same statements when he said Walker was playing his way into shape, Kiffin had praised him. It was an offhand comment, an observation, that Kiffin made, and some people ran with it.Look at this another way:Baconator said:Do none of you understand personal responsibility and maturity??By the way - he "works so hard" the Broncos cut him for failing to show up to work. He "works so hard at his job" he's substantially overweight reporting to his OTA's with his new team.Chase Stuart said:Why should you be giving Javon Walker advice on how to live his life?I think Javon Walker knows himself quite a bit better than a random stranger, and Walker's quite a bit more successful than you, too. He's a multi-millionaire who has a dream job. The fact that you envy his salary and profession doesn't mean you know how Walker should best live to be a football player.Baconator said:Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.Pipes said:As for "a lot of single young guys":
A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy.
A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp.
Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
Some people work so hard so they can actually live life when they're not at work. Work hard, play hard. I'm sure Walker works harder than you do, and dedicates himself to his job more than you do. It's his off-season. If nothing in his contract prevents him from doing this, why would you resent him?
To bring this up when he just was the victim of what looks like a pretty gruesome assault is incredibly small of you. Walker shouldn't be rooted against just because he makes a lot of money.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure just about any intelligent football coach (not some apologist whiner like yourself - typical for you) will tell you that when you're out of shape and on your last chance and heading into training camp, you should not be partying until dawn. Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to make that bet.
And by the way - Just because it's not in your contract doesn't mean it's not a smart move. My boss doesn't tell me not to party until dawn on weeknights, he doesn't control my Sundays, but I have enough sense to know not to get trashed before I have to go to work. Again, it's called personal responsibility and maturity - it doesn't HAVE to be spelled out for us. We just have it. And you - and Javon - don't. I guess people like you need every little thing spelled out for them.
"Uh Javon - You're really having a hard time with seperation in the OTA's and your coming in heavy int eh first place. I've got a notary here and we're going to spell out that partying until dawn is not allowed. Also, fried ho-ho's are a "no-no". While we're here, what other stupid crap are you going to do so we can document that as things not to do??
1) Yeah, right. MUCH safer in Vegas than in Texas to attend your "good friends" funeral.
2) Ignorance is forgivable. If some stupid fool isn't smart enough (He WAS in the SEC I believe) to know that spraying people in nice clothes with champage isn't a good idea, fine. He's ignorant. But when you admit that your "good friend" got killed b/c he was spraying champagne, THEN do the same thing. Yeah, you pretty much are an idiot.
Man, I hope that features' not reciprocal. I'd HATE to miss out on your insightful Mayweather rumor posts.
You are connecting the wrong dots. wasted also said he was dropped at that intersection, but you have him walking down that street. Perhaps if they dumped him in front of UNLV we could have accused him of heading for the library?
1. Starbucks2. White Castle
Well, he says #7 is right on.Let me get this straight. You claim to know the whole story but can't post it on a fantasy football message board under an annonymous alias.wasted space 25 said:
I don't think his QB was with him.
He also said that he was dumped at that location after being robbed and beaten.
What amounts of Rec Yds, TDs, etcs does someone have to produce to be able to go clubbing 3 months before the season starts? Just curious.Baconator said:Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.Pipes said:
If your friend dies in your arms because you were spraying some gang member with champagne at a club I would think it would be stupid to even go near a club with gang members/thugs in attendance. He doesn't deserve what he got but he should have been a little smarter. He wasn't exactly at the local bars with a few friends.What amounts of Rec Yds, TDs, etcs does someone have to produce to be able to go clubbing 3 months before the season starts? Just curious.Baconator said:Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.Pipes said:As for "a lot of single young guys": A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy. A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp. Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
What are you talking about? Gang members/thugs?Body English at the Hard Rock isn't exactly a hotbed of Crips/Bloods activities.If your friend dies in your arms because you were spraying some gang member with champagne at a club I would think it would be stupid to even go near a club with gang members/thugs in attendance. He doesn't deserve what he got but he should have been a little smarter. He wasn't exactly at the local bars with a few friends.What amounts of Rec Yds, TDs, etcs does someone have to produce to be able to go clubbing 3 months before the season starts? Just curious.Baconator said:Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.Pipes said:
I don't post too often, but thought I'd chime in. Obviously this is a charged situation with people ready to condemn Walker and others waiting to pass judgement or expressing sympathy. What I go back to is how bad I felt for this guy and how much I sympathized with him re: the DW incident. Having a friend die in your arms has got to be one of the worst feelings in life. For me, it's tough to not feel angry/holier-than-thou at him because I empathized so strongly (if that's a phrase) with him in the past. I guess I feel betrayed by him even though he owed me nothing and I have no bearing on his life whatsoever. I do hope he is able to play this year and gets his business in order for him and his family. I never like to see a guy go down. BFSGood post in Hashmarks:
1) Yeah, right. MUCH safer in Vegas than in Texas to attend your "good friends" funeral.
IGNORANCE IS TEMPORARY, STUPID IS FOREVER.
Willfull ignorance now? Javon admits that he thinks Dwilly got killed as a result of spraying champagne at a bar. Dude turns around and does the same thing. Dude is an absolute moron.What are you talking about? Gang members/thugs?Body English at the Hard Rock isn't exactly a hotbed of Crips/Bloods activities.If your friend dies in your arms because you were spraying some gang member with champagne at a club I would think it would be stupid to even go near a club with gang members/thugs in attendance. He doesn't deserve what he got but he should have been a little smarter. He wasn't exactly at the local bars with a few friends.What amounts of Rec Yds, TDs, etcs does someone have to produce to be able to go clubbing 3 months before the season starts? Just curious.Baconator said:Setting the bar a little low aren't we? "Not PacMan" is the key standard now?? Geez.Pipes said:As for "a lot of single young guys": A LOT of single young guys haven't just been given their 3rd (and last) chance, paid 60 Million dollars by their employer when nobody else in the league would even give up a late round pick on the guy. A LOT of single young guys in that situation aren't already overweight, coming off injury, a disastrous last season, and already underperforming in his savior-teams' OTA's. Javon Was. AND - He's a month away from training camp. Look, I go out. I can't afford to go out like he does, but I go out. BUT - In this situation - this SAME situation, there's absolutely NO reason to be partying till 6 in the morning - Vegas or not. For all the reasons I listed above. Dude should be enormously grateful. He should be doing his best to get in shape. He should be doing his level best to be in top form for his teammates and new QB and Coach. He's doing none of those things by partying until dawn in Vegas.
People here seem to confuse deserving this with being at least partially at fault. Did he deserve it? No. Was he partially at fault? Absolutely.
I find this thread fascinating. Can't keep my eyes off it.The Dwill/champagne connection really boggles the mind. But so does this:Assuming you're dressed the same way, do the 2 below activities carry the same percentage of ending in the early morning with a severe beat down and robbery, or are they mutually exclusive?1) Getting drunk beyond belief, spraying Champagne around like a rock star 2) Doing community serviceVery interesting assumptions are being made.
Here we go again.
I may not deserve to get killed if I talk #### to a bunch of gang bangers, but you can be damn sure that there wouldn't be much surprise if I was, and everyone would agree that that was a stupid move.
XIt's alcoholism if you're drinking it. It's called being an immature jackass if you're spraying everyone in a club with it. HTH.
My take: Javon appears to have the disease known as alcoholism. I hope he gets help.
XIt's alcoholism if you're drinking it. It's called being an immature jackass if you're spraying everyone in a club with it. HTH.
My take: Javon appears to have the disease known as alcoholism. I hope he gets help.
Trust me. Alcoholics don't waste perfectly good liquor. - Even if it is rose' champagne. (Thus again proving money<>class)
I'm happy I sold this guy in 2 of my leagues last month.The huge risk / huge best potential is off the charts with this guy.It would have to be a super cheap price for me to consideradding him to any of my dynasty leagues..
Beantown said:
I just dropped the dead weight in my dynasty. The guy got his guaranteed money, it's pretty clear he doesn't care about football anymore.He's a black cloud.
It got busted in the head and tossed out into the gutter years ago.
I heard it was buying drugs and hookers anyway, so it deserved it.
We may never know for sure the reason he was where he was when he got lit up but there's more than enough evidence to covict him of being an idiot. He's lucky to be alive. MAYBE... he'll learn from this experience. Unfortunately, his recent behavior suggests that he won't.
Wow. Overreact much? Agree w/ Jason 'the voice of reason' Wood here - let's get some FACTS before piling on. Poor judgement on JW's part? Sure.Beantown said:I just dropped the dead weight in my dynasty. The guy got his guaranteed money, it's pretty clear he doesn't care about football anymore.
He's a black cloud.
No there isn't. And that's Jason's point.We know he was at a club, spending money, and sprayed champagne. Those are his confirmed actions for the evening.Everything else is speculation, not evidence.
Wow. Overreact much? Agree w/ Jason 'the voice of reason' Wood here - let's get some FACTS before piling on. Poor judgement on JW's part? Sure.Beantown said:I just dropped the dead weight in my dynasty. The guy got his guaranteed money, it's pretty clear he doesn't care about football anymore.
He's a black cloud.
And I'll bet none of us here made some choices (in social environments) in our mid 20's that we'd like to forget.
Thankfully there is this thing called Alzhiemer's disease. I may have the beginning stages of it because I've already forgotten all the stupid things I did in my 20's. 
How many people have been in Vegas cashed out and had a bunch of cash and could have been jacked up and mugged? Until we know more some thugs could have jumped him while walking outside. Too early to jump to any conclusions. It's seems it was in the morning, during daylight and people usually feel safer then.
Exactly. I mean I've been hard on the guy as a football player and, ergo, as a fantasy prospect. But that's a huge leap to go from that to scouting for whores and drugs at 3 a.m. and inviting violence upon himself. I guess what bums me most about this thread is that I've seen almost no mention of "I HOPE HE'S OKAY" which would seem to be a pretty base level human reaction to news like this.
