Couch Potato
Footballguy
I've been wondering that myself. To my knowledge, the story from TheDirty.com was never repeated by JW to anyone else so it could be bogus. I haven't been keeping up with every detail, though, so I could be wrong.
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massraider
Footballguy
From the major gossip guy here in Vegas:
http://www.lvrj.com/news/20625684.html
Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker was seen entering a car under his own power at the Bellagio the morning he was found beaten and unconscious, it was learned Friday.
Metro police have surveillance tape of Walker going to the car, and it doesn't match the abduction story he told a Web site Tuesday, the source said.
It does not appear on the tape that Walker is being coerced, the source said.
Bill Cassell, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he could not comment beyond saying that there is an ongoing investigation.
Walker was found in a pool of blood around 7:30 a.m. Monday about a block east of Las Vegas Boulevard. The Hard Rock Hotel has confirmed Walker left Body English nightclub sometime after 3 a.m., after spraying clubgoers with champagne.
Walker also was seen at an after-party in the Hard Rock's penthouse suite.
A Hard Rock public relations representative said the hotel had no information on when Walker left the property.
"I was just back at my room, and at about 5:30 in the morning," Walker told TheDirty.com, "I got a knock at the door. I opened it, and three guys with guns were there. They cracked me in the head a few times, knocking me unconscious. They then robbed me of everything I had; my watch, money, everything. Somehow they got me to a car and dropped me off in the street. That's what happened."
Nik Richie, who reported the abduction story on his Web site, TheDirty.com, confirmed in an interview with Vegas Confidential that he talked to Walker on Tuesday, the day after the alleged incident.
"He's a good friend of mine," Richie said in a telephone interview from Scottsdale, Ariz.
Richie said he called Walker to see how he was doing and the former NFL All-Pro wideout agreed to talk about what happened on one condition: Walker wanted to shoot down the rumors, Richie said, that the champagne spraying had created issues with boxing champion Floyd Mayweather Jr., who was with his entourage at a nearby table at Body English.
"That's why he agreed to talk," Richie said.
Walker, who suffered a moderate concussion, a broken eye socket and other facial injuries, was released from Sunrise Hospital on Wednesday. He had been found in a driveway at the Summer's Bay Resort on Winnick Avenue and Koval Lane.
Walker's abduction story has been met with skepticism, given the 2,000 video surveillance cameras in the Bellagio, including valet areas, elevators, elevator lobbies and public lobbies.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/20625684.html
Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker was seen entering a car under his own power at the Bellagio the morning he was found beaten and unconscious, it was learned Friday.
Metro police have surveillance tape of Walker going to the car, and it doesn't match the abduction story he told a Web site Tuesday, the source said.
It does not appear on the tape that Walker is being coerced, the source said.
Bill Cassell, spokesman for the Metropolitan Police Department, said he could not comment beyond saying that there is an ongoing investigation.
Walker was found in a pool of blood around 7:30 a.m. Monday about a block east of Las Vegas Boulevard. The Hard Rock Hotel has confirmed Walker left Body English nightclub sometime after 3 a.m., after spraying clubgoers with champagne.
Walker also was seen at an after-party in the Hard Rock's penthouse suite.
A Hard Rock public relations representative said the hotel had no information on when Walker left the property.
"I was just back at my room, and at about 5:30 in the morning," Walker told TheDirty.com, "I got a knock at the door. I opened it, and three guys with guns were there. They cracked me in the head a few times, knocking me unconscious. They then robbed me of everything I had; my watch, money, everything. Somehow they got me to a car and dropped me off in the street. That's what happened."
Nik Richie, who reported the abduction story on his Web site, TheDirty.com, confirmed in an interview with Vegas Confidential that he talked to Walker on Tuesday, the day after the alleged incident.
"He's a good friend of mine," Richie said in a telephone interview from Scottsdale, Ariz.
Richie said he called Walker to see how he was doing and the former NFL All-Pro wideout agreed to talk about what happened on one condition: Walker wanted to shoot down the rumors, Richie said, that the champagne spraying had created issues with boxing champion Floyd Mayweather Jr., who was with his entourage at a nearby table at Body English.
"That's why he agreed to talk," Richie said.
Walker, who suffered a moderate concussion, a broken eye socket and other facial injuries, was released from Sunrise Hospital on Wednesday. He had been found in a driveway at the Summer's Bay Resort on Winnick Avenue and Koval Lane.
Walker's abduction story has been met with skepticism, given the 2,000 video surveillance cameras in the Bellagio, including valet areas, elevators, elevator lobbies and public lobbies.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Suspect arrested in attack on Walker, suspected of felonies
Associated Press
Updated: June 24, 2008, 3:31 PM ET
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LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas police said they have made an arrest in the robbery and beating case involving Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker.
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Las Vegas police Lt. Clinton Nichols said Tuesday that 30-year-old Arfat Fadel is suspected of multiple felonies, including kidnapping and robbery.
Police say Fadel was arrested Friday and police are looking for a second suspect.
Nichols said police believe the second man is still in Las Vegas.
Nichols said the 29-year-old Walker got into a vehicle with the two men early June 16 before he was found beaten and unconscious on a side street near the Las Vegas Strip.
Walker told police $3,000 in cash and about $100,000 in jewelry were taken.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3459040
Police say Walker suffered a moderate concussion and significant facial injuries. He was treated at a Las Vegas hospital and released last Wednesday.
He signed a six-year, $55 million deal with the Raiders after being released by the Denver Broncos in February.
Associated Press
Updated: June 24, 2008, 3:31 PM ET
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LAS VEGAS -- Las Vegas police said they have made an arrest in the robbery and beating case involving Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker.
Walker
Las Vegas police Lt. Clinton Nichols said Tuesday that 30-year-old Arfat Fadel is suspected of multiple felonies, including kidnapping and robbery.
Police say Fadel was arrested Friday and police are looking for a second suspect.
Nichols said police believe the second man is still in Las Vegas.
Nichols said the 29-year-old Walker got into a vehicle with the two men early June 16 before he was found beaten and unconscious on a side street near the Las Vegas Strip.
Walker told police $3,000 in cash and about $100,000 in jewelry were taken.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3459040
Police say Walker suffered a moderate concussion and significant facial injuries. He was treated at a Las Vegas hospital and released last Wednesday.
He signed a six-year, $55 million deal with the Raiders after being released by the Denver Broncos in February.
massraider
Footballguy
Nice one.Don't these people watch CSI? You can't get away with that stuff here.
"Nick, get that black light over here..."
"Whaddya got, Gil?"
"Traces of Dom Perignon, all over the back seat...."
"Looks like Mr. Fadel didn't clean his car very well, did he?"
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I don't know if this helps at all, but Nik Richie does have some friends in pro sports. Mark Moulder did an interview here on a St. Louis Radio Station and was explaining to one of the hosts that has a website similar to TheDirty how TheDirty came about. Mark said that the guy is just rolling in coin since he went national with it after the first one was so popular in Arizona. So maybe he is rubbing elbows with other pro athletes?That being said, it sounds like Javon told this a guy a line of BS. Broken eye socket is pretty extreme, yet Kiffin says he will be just fine by training camp? Maybe it's coach speak, but maybe Javon played up the injuries a bit to TheDirty along with fabricating exactly how this went down.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
OK, he gets into the car of two men willingly. He doesn't want to press charges. Either he was scoring some drugs or he was looking for a little man on man action (NTTIAWWT). Either way, he does not want to press charges because he doesn't want to be embarassed in the media...
fatness
Footballguy
It does help, yes, thanks. It's a bit tough keeping track of what actually happened, and who said what to who, when there are so many different reports around, and sources quoting other sources with or without checking. I have not seen any confirmation anywhere that Walker has a broken eye socket. And based on the news article about the arrest, it does not say Walker left with 2 men and got in a car voluntarily. It just says he left with them. So maybe it was voluntary, and maybe there was a threat involved. If there was a threat, that could explain why he's reluctant to press charges.It's good that they've made an arrest.
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massraider
Footballguy
For sure. Walker's lengthy drug history certainly seems to suggest it.
KoolKat
Footballguy
I have absolutely no drug history with the police either, and I have been smoking marijuana illegally for going on a decade to relieve my Crohn's. I've been in this exact situation a thousand times. You meet up with another car, and someone hops in the dealers ride; then they hook you up with whatever you want or, if you're very unlucky, beat and rob you.Edited to say that I believe all drugs should be legal, and I do not look down upon Javon for this. If we are to be a truly free country, we must be able to freely control the contents of our minds...but that's another subject.
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massraider
Footballguy
I'm willing to bet you've been in this situation MORE often:You got into someone's car, and didn't buy drugs.
I mean, "almost certainly"? That's really my main issue. You can think of no other plausible reason why Javon might be leaving his hotel, and getting in a car?
Others have speculated he was on his way to a forbidden gay romp, you sure you don't wanna jump on that bandwagon before it's too late?
You seem to missing the point here. There are a million reasons to get into a car but wven if you want to try to believe that it's completely normal to get into a car with strange men in the middle of the night in Las Vegas it fails to address why he made up a story and why reports suggested he did not want to press charges. You do this when you have something to hide or don't want the truth coming out.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Story from Las Vegas Sun source LVPD:
"Mr. Walker was in town to have a good time, as many of our visitors to Las Vegas do," Nichols said.
"As he will readily admit, he probably had a little too much to drink and he did not pick up on the clues that Mr. Fadel was someone he probably should not have been with," Nichols said.
Police released a booking photo of Fadel and a black-and-white surveillance videotape image of the other alleged assailant who they said they believed was still in Las Vegas.
"The suspects knew who Mr. Walker was. He did not know who they were," Nichols said. "Whether they were part of his entourage or not remains to be seen."
Nichols said Walker got out of one vehicle he was riding in with friends and got into Fadels's black Range Rover with Fadel and the other man before he was assaulted and robbed.
"He willingly got in the vehicle on his own," Nichols said of Walker, 29, a well-muscled 6-foot-3, 215-pound wide receiver. "We're unsure why."
Nichols said during a news conference that the two men were seen in some of the crowded nightclubs where Walker was shown on surveillance videotapes partying from about 9 p.m. June 15, until shortly before he was found unconscious at 7:19 a.m. the next morning about a block east of the Las Vegas Strip.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/2...-vegas-robbers/
Sounds like these guys hung out and partied with walker all night and befriended him and probably enticed him with promises of a party somewhere with chicks and more booze...weve all been there,looking to keep the party going especially if theres gonna be women involved
"Mr. Walker was in town to have a good time, as many of our visitors to Las Vegas do," Nichols said.
"As he will readily admit, he probably had a little too much to drink and he did not pick up on the clues that Mr. Fadel was someone he probably should not have been with," Nichols said.
Police released a booking photo of Fadel and a black-and-white surveillance videotape image of the other alleged assailant who they said they believed was still in Las Vegas.
"The suspects knew who Mr. Walker was. He did not know who they were," Nichols said. "Whether they were part of his entourage or not remains to be seen."
Nichols said Walker got out of one vehicle he was riding in with friends and got into Fadels's black Range Rover with Fadel and the other man before he was assaulted and robbed.
"He willingly got in the vehicle on his own," Nichols said of Walker, 29, a well-muscled 6-foot-3, 215-pound wide receiver. "We're unsure why."
Nichols said during a news conference that the two men were seen in some of the crowded nightclubs where Walker was shown on surveillance videotapes partying from about 9 p.m. June 15, until shortly before he was found unconscious at 7:19 a.m. the next morning about a block east of the Las Vegas Strip.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2008/jun/2...-vegas-robbers/
Sounds like these guys hung out and partied with walker all night and befriended him and probably enticed him with promises of a party somewhere with chicks and more booze...weve all been there,looking to keep the party going especially if theres gonna be women involved
cheatsheetwarroom
Footballguy
You can get away with spraying people with alcoholic beverages in a Dr. Dre or Snoop Dog video, but in real life people generally get pissed. I know when I went to clubs it was to meet hot chicks, not to be bathed in liquid that I don't even drink. That just isn't cool
Sooner or later these guys need to figure out that NFL players and club parking lots don't seem to mix.
Sooner or later these guys need to figure out that NFL players and club parking lots don't seem to mix.
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massraider
Footballguy
No. You're missing the point.I'm not ruling anything out. However, when someone puts forth a theory, I want to know what backs it up. A few days ago, everyone just knew it was because he sprayed someone with champagne. Looking more and more unlikely.
Them he was "walking alone on a dangerous" street. And there could only be X amount of reasons to be on that street, we were told. Well, it looks like he didn't wander away from the Hard Rock after all.
Now, they have footage of him getting into a car, and it can "only be" one of two things. One of which, inexplicably, is gay sex. Ummm, I don't get it.
Ah yes, the "made up" story. Do we have that from any reputable source, or is it still coming from only www.thedirty.com
Him getting in the car doesn't need to "address" anything, because the two things you want addressed have yet to be confirmed. A blog (whose claim to fame thus far are pictures of Leinart with a beer bong) says they spoke to Javon, but no one else has had that story, and I've not heard any cops say that Javon lied to them.
And reports "suggest" he doesn't want to press charges? Well, that sounds solid.
How much bad info do you need to read before you wait for facts to come out?
if I had to guess, I'd say he made plans with a woman, and she set him up. But I've got nothing to back it up. And that's the point.
Are you really shocked that someone took exception to your absurd, baseless, and completely out of left field gay theory? Let me get this straight: In order to cruise for gay sex, Javon Walker left the BAY AREA to go to las Vegas, the tackiest, straightest city in the 48 states. That make sense to you?
Your entire rambling post was silly and incoherent but I especially love how you wrapped it up. After blaming me and others for speculation you than throw out a speculation that you guess he made plans with a women and than top it off by proclaiming that LV is the straightest city in the 48 states. I mean really. No you don't make sense to me and I don't think you make sense to you.
massraider
Footballguy
I didn't throw out a speculation. I said "if I had to guess". You already know where I stand on this, you've read my response to your last "theory".
Again, your problem seems to be that I dare question a wild hypothesis. Well, that's what happens when it has ZERO basis in fact.
BTW: There was nothing incoherent about my post. I simply pointed out the inaccuracies and rumor your post was based on. Saying it makes no sense is a gutless dodge. If you can't respond intelligently, then don't bother.
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T Bell
Footballguy
Here's what you have to ask yourself though: What reason would be good enough to both get him into that guy's car at that hour, and justify his reluctance to press charges that might make the reason public? If it's just to visit another party, what's so bad about that, especially for a guy who already has photos published of him doing that very thing? The frontrunners in that to me are drugs, prostitutes or a gay tryst; I'm having trouble coming up with any other option that would explain everything that we know.No. You're missing the point.I'm not ruling anything out. However, when someone puts forth a theory, I want to know what backs it up. A few days ago, everyone just knew it was because he sprayed someone with champagne. Looking more and more unlikely.
Them he was "walking alone on a dangerous" street. And there could only be X amount of reasons to be on that street, we were told. Well, it looks like he didn't wander away from the Hard Rock after all.
Now, they have footage of him getting into a car, and it can "only be" one of two things. One of which, inexplicably, is gay sex. Ummm, I don't get it.
Ah yes, the "made up" story. Do we have that from any reputable source, or is it still coming from only www.thedirty.com
Him getting in the car doesn't need to "address" anything, because the two things you want addressed have yet to be confirmed. A blog (whose claim to fame thus far are pictures of Leinart with a beer bong) says they spoke to Javon, but no one else has had that story, and I've not heard any cops say that Javon lied to them.
And reports "suggest" he doesn't want to press charges? Well, that sounds solid.
How much bad info do you need to read before you wait for facts to come out?
if I had to guess, I'd say he made plans with a woman, and she set him up. But I've got nothing to back it up. And that's the point.
Are you really shocked that someone took exception to your absurd, baseless, and completely out of left field gay theory? Let me get this straight: In order to cruise for gay sex, Javon Walker left the BAY AREA to go to las Vegas, the tackiest, straightest city in the 48 states. That make sense to you?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This was my point of suggesting that. Why else would he be unwilling to press charges? Why would he make up a blatant lie about being abducted from his hotel room. Something easily disproved as there may not be a more surveilled city in the world. Even before his lie is disproved he comes out and says he will not be pressing charges? Only three options 1) Lookin for a hooker 2) trying to score some drugs 3) looking for some manly lovin.
T Bell
Footballguy
Pictus Cat
Footballguy
Getting testy in here while we wait for some facts.
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fatness
Footballguy
roadkill1292
Footballguy
My word. This changes everything.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Someone beats and robs you and you want to say, "let by gones be by gones?" It might've worked for Jesus but most people in America, including arrogant NFL WR's, don't just forgive and forget about something like this. The only reason he doesn't want to press charges is because he was involved in something even more embarrassing than getting robbed and beaten.
Please, give me a plausible explanation for him declining to wanting to press charges? Anything....
massraider
Footballguy
I will do so, as soon as you link me to Walker's statement where he mentions refusing to press charges. I'd prefer a direct quote, but will settle for a reputable source.
Cause it's weird, I saw it mentioned in here, but the poster didn't include a link.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I will give you that. If he didn't say that it's a different story. And I'm not sure where I saw it. Probably in here somewhere. Not going to dig for it. But if he doesn't press charges it's to hide something more embarrassing than getting beaten and robbed.
It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't say it. Just as it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't have a broken eye socket.
massraider
Footballguy
Well, I DID dig for it. And one would think that if Walker made it known that he didn't want to press charges, before an arrest was made, it'd be kind of big news. And I wouldn't have to dig very far.
This isn't directed at you, Fanatic, but once the torches get lit around here, and everyone starts making nooses, not too many people wait around for facts.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Which is one of the reasons I believe Walker is a good BUY LOW candidate. People will come to their senses soon enough but by that time his value won't be as great.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This is where I read it. And I think it may have come from this which is a reporter who is making the assumption here that Walker may not press charges, but to me that is too early to tell:
LinkEveryone is running this same quote
Here it is again
I will admit that I ran with what I thought was the truth about him not pressing charges which is not necessarily the case. It still could be but it's premature to do so now...
TheFanatic
Footballguy
The ironic thing, I own him in my main dynasty league and at first was really worried about him with the news of the orbital fracture, but I haven't seen that confirmed. The last thing I read was a concussion and facial injuries. A split lip is a facial injury. I don't know what exactly his injuries are.Which is one of the reasons I believe Walker is a good BUY LOW candidate. People will come to their senses soon enough but by that time his value won't be as great.
massraider
Footballguy
I don't think anyone does, I haven't seen them reported, not anywhere factually anyway, but all of the Raider comments are that he will be ready for TC. Add in the fact that he was released from the hospital relatively quickly, and a career-threatening fracture seems unlikely.The ironic thing, I own him in my main dynasty league and at first was really worried about him with the news of the orbital fracture, but I haven't seen that confirmed. The last thing I read was a concussion and facial injuries. A split lip is a facial injury. I don't know what exactly his injuries are.
You can't find a comment from Javon because Javon is not talking. What you can tell, if you read between the lines just a little, is that he's not being openly helpful with authorities either which should tell you all you need to know with respect to how much Javon want's these people to get caught.First off let's take the fabricated story of his abduction. If it was just a claim made by a worthless web site as opposed to something that Javon actually tried to tell the Police I don't think the Bellagio would need to issue the following statement:
“The facts that have been reported regarding the incident involving Javon Walker are incorrect,” a spokesperson from MGM-Mirage, which owns Bellagio, told KVBC-TV in Las Vegas. “I am unable to provide further detail out of respect for the Metro investigation which is currently underway
Also, if this fabrication was not really something Javon made up it would have been reasonable for him to have issued a statement saying otherwise. The only statement he issued was to inform of his condition but he has not to this point released a statement denying the story reported in dirty.com
Furthermore the police made it a point in their statement to let you know he "willingly" got in the car. Which I think it's reasonable to conclude they are mentioning to refute claims of Javon's story.
The police make the following comment:
“He willingly got in the vehicle on his own,” Nichols said of the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Walker. “We’re unsure why.”
That last part were the police say they are unsure why he got in the car is actually quite key to let you know Javon is hiding something otherwise the police would not be unsure why he got in the car because Javon would kind of fill them in on it-don't you think?
I don't see how anyone can look at this and draw any other conclusion that Javon has something to hide. To me it's not a matter of if it's a matter of what.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Which is part of the reason people should grab him while they can. Truth and logic are starting to sneak out to the masses and that will bring Walker's value back to normality.Orbital fracture! Drugs! Prostitutes! Degenerative knee!!! Fat, lazy and out of shape!I don't think anyone does, I haven't seen them reported, not anywhere factually anyway, but all of the Raider comments are that he will be ready for TC. Add in the fact that he was released from the hospital relatively quickly, and a career-threatening fracture seems unlikely.The ironic thing, I own him in my main dynasty league and at first was really worried about him with the news of the orbital fracture, but I haven't seen that confirmed. The last thing I read was a concussion and facial injuries. A split lip is a facial injury. I don't know what exactly his injuries are.Which is one of the reasons I believe Walker is a good BUY LOW candidate. People will come to their senses soon enough but by that time his value won't be as great.
Walker is an overrated bum. You should be lucky if I offer you a stick of gum. But I'm nice enough to take this hack off your roster. In fact, I'll offer you a whole pack of gum for this injury prone, overpaid, champagne spouting, gay sex seeking Broncos/Packers reject!!
massraider
Footballguy
1. "Issuing a statement" could also be "answering a question". In other words, a reporter could have prefaced that statement by asking, "There have been reports that Walker was abducted from the hotel, and carried out unconscious. Can you confirm that?"2. If Javon was as unwilling to cooperate as you seem to think, I think it's reasonable to suggest that we would have heard that. For example, in the Lynch case, we knew he wasn't talking to police. We've heard nothing like that here.
I agree. Especially with the part about "claims of Walker's story." Not "Walker's story".
Let me ask you this: If Walker told this story, and the police caught him in a lie, don't you think we would have heard that? None of the police's statements involve them refuting ANYTHING Javon told them.
This is no doubt going to drop his value but the only thing I really care about from a fantasy perspective ,in a redraft league, is if his knee is healthy. I don't think his beat down in Vegas or the reasons behind it are important but right now I'm not on board with him over concerns about his knee. Second to the knee is the QB situation in Oak. This beat down does not register in my list of important things I'll be considering when draft time comes around.
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Holy speculation Batman! This post looks like some kind of Miss Cleo/National Inquirer hybrid. I hardly know where to begin...
Javon isn't talking to YOU. You have no idea how much he is or isn't talking to the cops.
Maybe Javon is just shutting up and not refuting every stupid story/speculation piece that comes out? Maybe it IS true? Who knows? But to input some kind of wishful reality simply because Walker isn't talking??? He ALSO has yet to refute speculation of the female/male prostitute, drugs, walking down a bad street or whatever other nonsense has popped up. The Bellagio HAS to issue a statement regarding that rumor because even though it is/was ONLY a rumor, people wouldn't want to stay at this hotel if they even thought for a moment people were being kidnapped from rooms. As baseless as this rumor is, it needed to be killed off. Businesses have been killed for lesser things.
Oh sweet baby jeebus.The police usually release some information when it's a high profile case. You expected them to have all the information this early into things?
And on a note addressed to everyone, what difference does any of this make? How is this going to affect his 2008 fantasy output in any way, shape or form?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
This is a good point. And I would say if the original news is true that he has an orbital fracture then I would be really worried about his 2008 performance despite what Kiffin said. The HC is going to coach speak this to the guy will be ready for TC no matter what the situation is. I think that would be of huge importance if true. Now as more and more of this comes out the broken eye socket thing is being downplayed more and more. Talks of facial injuries rather than a broken face bone. Also, having a concussion can be problematic. Do we know if Javon has had any concussions in the past?The other thing is what if this guy that robbed him turns out to be a drug dealer and he rolls on Javon? I would think the league might want to have some words with Javon. Pure speculation, but a great deal of this can impact his 2008 FFB production...
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, I don't think he's out of the woods yet. Still has to show the knee is healthy.In regards to the guy that jumped him, if he was to come out with a story that Javon was trying to buy drugs from him, my question is, where would that go? legally speaking?I mean, Javon can't be charged because some guy, who beat him unconscious, made a claim, could he? And I doubt that Goodell would suspend him based on the claims of his assailant.
T Bell
Footballguy
I didn't see a direct response to this from those who were attacking Fanatic over his "speculation".
massraider
Footballguy
There's no need. Fanatic was confirming my statement that the "doesn't want to press charges" nonsense is based on speculation from a Vegas gossip writer.
OK Mr. Buy low
her is another article talking about how Javon is in a very bad spot mentally. not talking about the case, not talking about him over weight. he is not retuning calls to friends, he goes to Vegas every time an event with regards to Williams comes up.
the guy sprays champagne on people after that exact event led to his best friend being shot and killed.
the story is on espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3455402
I said this earlier in the post, the guy is struggling mentally. now, he might still do great on the field, but if you are going to draft a WR, wouldn't you rather a guy that is not going to fight his team about number of receptions (like he did in GB AND Den), and not run off to Vegas to party during a bye week (assumption based on him going to Vegas the week of Williams funeral, obviously he doesn't mind going there during times him should be somewhere else) I just don't see this great upside of him taking up a roster spot. so what if he does well, you could draft 10 other guys with as much upside with much less risk atached to them.
her is another article talking about how Javon is in a very bad spot mentally. not talking about the case, not talking about him over weight. he is not retuning calls to friends, he goes to Vegas every time an event with regards to Williams comes up.
the guy sprays champagne on people after that exact event led to his best friend being shot and killed.
the story is on espn.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor...&id=3455402
I said this earlier in the post, the guy is struggling mentally. now, he might still do great on the field, but if you are going to draft a WR, wouldn't you rather a guy that is not going to fight his team about number of receptions (like he did in GB AND Den), and not run off to Vegas to party during a bye week (assumption based on him going to Vegas the week of Williams funeral, obviously he doesn't mind going there during times him should be somewhere else) I just don't see this great upside of him taking up a roster spot. so what if he does well, you could draft 10 other guys with as much upside with much less risk atached to them.
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Yeah, I ran with something that I recalled from earlier. It still may be true but as of right now, to keep this up is similar to certain members of the gubment allowing most Americans to go on thinking that Iraq and Al Qaeda were somehow related. There has been lots of speculation and a great deal of of this notion that he might not press charges bandied about in a bunch of different places, but it's the same quote from the same guy.
Another thing to consider. If he has a concussion, then he may not remember anything which could be the reason he's not helping the police. Not because he refuses to but because he can't...
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