Javon Walker Injury Update (1 Viewer)

[packersfan]

From RotoWorld:

Broncos WR Javon Walker underwent an MRI on Thursday, but the results were negative.

Walker felt an "uncomfortable sensation" landing awkwardly after a catch, but an MRI was negative. "From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery," he said. He plans on playing on Saturday night.

 

[Routilla]

From RotoWorld: Broncos WR Javon Walker underwent an MRI on Thursday, but the results were negative.Walker felt an "uncomfortable sensation" landing awkwardly after a catch, but an MRI was negative. "From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery," he said. He plans on playing on Saturday night.

Crap, he's my #2WR.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

thanks for that update!

I doubt he'll play tomorrow night.

Ill try to get more details up in the press box at the game.

 

[gump]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

 

[jeter23]

thanks for that update!I doubt he'll play tomorrow night.Ill try to get more details up in the press box at the game.

Will Marshall be playing?

 

[Dolfan]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

That doesn't sound good to me..

 

[rascal]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

Basically it is just scar tissue, but it's hard to tell.He might be held out against this weeks game, but I think he is fine for the regular season.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Marshall plans on playing.

For those of you that missed my report from Valley Ranch yesterday, Walker had his knee wrapped and iced after the morning practice, and did not practice in the afternoon.

Tim Crowder and Adam Meadows also suffered ankle injuries. Both had to be helped to get to the locker room, neither could leave the field on their own power.

 

[packersfan]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

Basically it is just scar tissue, but it's hard to tell.He might be held out against this weeks game, but I think he is fine for the regular season.

It doesn't sound serious. If he expects to play then the concern subsides considerably. I admit I'm biased here since Walker is my keeper in my league this year and I think he's primed for a monster season. So hopefully this turns out to be nothing. But if the MRI came back negative and he's not concerned about missing any pre-season game action I think we can assume this is just something he may have to deal with and possibly has been dealing with. And if that's the case, then my concern subsides even more given how well he played last season.

 

[rascal]

Marshall plans on playing.For those of you that missed my report from Valley Ranch yesterday, Walker had his knee wrapped and iced after the morning practice, and did not practice in the afternoon.Tim Crowder and Adam Meadows also suffered ankle injuries. Both had to be helped to get to the locker room, neither could leave the field on their own power.

Denver can not afford to have any more OT's get hurt. Losing Meadows with Lepsis still limping around is not a good thing. I'm a Broncos homer and I'm beginning to get concerned with all the injuries this offseason along the offensive line.Hamilton still hasn't returned from his concussion, which despite the stricter standards, has me concerned. It appears the only positions they are healthy and set along that o-line are Holland and Nails. Not sure if Pears is struggling or if Meadows was just playing better, but Pears being displaced by Meadows, who is injured again, and being switched from RT to LT (and probably back to RT after Meadows went down) gives me some concerns as well in not only his development but the health of Lepsis.

 

[On The Rocks]

I am pretty high on JW this year. Thanks for the reports to date and I look forard to anything substantial to be reported in coming days.

 

[packersfan]

More on this:

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"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery, which is a good thing because the range of motion gets better in my knee," he said.

 

[Routilla]

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"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery, which is a good thing because the range of motion gets better in my knee," he said.

 

[ATC1]

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"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery, which is a good thing because the range of motion gets better in my knee," he said.

Surely scar tissue. As long as the MRI is negative and the swelling is down he should be good to go.

 

[SteelerMurf]

I don't see how floating particles in a knee improves your range of motion, especially when it comes to rest in between the joint.

 

[ATC1]

I don't see how floating particles in a knee improves your range of motion, especially when it comes to rest in between the joint.

Years after surgery you can have scar tissue build up and move your knee a certain way and feel a pop. Your heart will drop when it happens, but things seems clear on the MRI. The popping was scar tissue being torn, and is good help help the ROM. If there was a free floating body in the joint space the ROM will be bad even have a possible lock out. Swelling would occur and it would be picked up on the MRI, easily.

 

[SSOG]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

That doesn't sound good to me..

It's actually very good news. It indicates that his knee is still continuing to improve even a year and a half after the original surgery, which means he's likely to be stronger and faster this year than he was last year.

 

[JAMMIN]

any more news. I draft tommorrow does this drop his stock.

 

[H.K.]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.

Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

 

[joffer]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

god you're annoying

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

 

[JohnnyU]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

Oh I don't know, I would think that cutting your own nose off to spite your face wouldn't be a good career move for Cutler.

 

[bcr8f]

It doesn't sound serious. If he expects to play then the concern subsides considerably. I admit I'm biased here since Walker is my keeper in my league this year and I think he's primed for a monster season. So hopefully this turns out to be nothing. But if the MRI came back negative and he's not concerned about missing any pre-season game action I think we can assume this is just something he may have to deal with and possibly has been dealing with. And if that's the case, then my concern subsides even more given how well he played last season.

Same here. I have him in a dynasty and a re draft and heard he wants a huge season. He may play about the same as last year, but was hoping he was 100% recovered.

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

You blast former Packer players too? What was it you kept saying about Favre and Donald Driver last year?

 

[H.K.]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

Oh I don't know, I would think that cutting your own nose off to spite your face wouldn't be a good career move for Cutler.

Wouldn't you think that the Broncos would try and get Cutler and Walker some game experience working together in the pre-season? Cutler only has 5 career starts, its not like this is Manning/Harrison. All we heard in the off season was that Cutler was used to practicing with the second team in 2006 so he went to Marshall and Scheffler during games in lieu of Walker last year. Well, now that they've gone through OTA's and camp together, not a thing has changed. Cutler is still going to Marshall first, TE second and then Walker.There has been zero evidence that Cutler will give Walker the targets necessary to come close to what most are projecting for him. Walker is one of, if not the worst, WR values this year.

 

[Courtjester]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

I guess I don't understand your logic here.Let's look at the stats from last yearGame 13--Cutler is 10 of 21 for 143 yards Walker is targeted on 7 of those 21 passes and catches 2.Game 14 Cutler is 17 of 30 for 188 yards. Walker is targeted 8 times for 52 yards.Game 15 Cutler is 21 of 31 for 261 yards. Walker is targeted 6 times, catches 5 of those 6 including a TD.Game 16 Cutler is 12-23 for 179 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times, catches 3 including another TD.Game 17 Cutler goes 21 for 32 for 230 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times catches 4 in a game that really stunk if you are a Bronco fan.Now to be fair, I feel Cutler really seemed to focus in on Sheffler last year as his first option, but that would be expected from a rookie QB who maybe is locking on to someone rather than properly going through his progressions. And to judge how Cutler and Walker are going to perfrom this year from less than 2 1/2 quarters of pre-season football is just funny--especially since Walker appears to be performing at half speed and was heavily taped the entire 2nd half on the sidelines.I think with Rod Smith possibly not recovering, Marshall being hit or miss and Stokley not having seen the field, Walker is almost a mortal lock to be top 10.

 

[Maven]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

lol Wow...you're making a big deal out of nothing.

 

[H.K.]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

I guess I don't understand your logic here.Let's look at the stats from last yearGame 13--Cutler is 10 of 21 for 143 yards Walker is targeted on 7 of those 21 passes and catches 2.Game 14 Cutler is 17 of 30 for 188 yards. Walker is targeted 8 times for 52 yards.Game 15 Cutler is 21 of 31 for 261 yards. Walker is targeted 6 times, catches 5 of those 6 including a TD.Game 16 Cutler is 12-23 for 179 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times, catches 3 including another TD.Game 17 Cutler goes 21 for 32 for 230 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times catches 4 in a game that really stunk if you are a Bronco fan.Now to be fair, I feel Cutler really seemed to focus in on Sheffler last year as his first option, but that would be expected from a rookie QB who maybe is locking on to someone rather than properly going through his progressions. And to judge how Cutler and Walker are going to perfrom this year from less than 2 1/2 quarters of pre-season football is just funny--especially since Walker appears to be performing at half speed and was heavily taped the entire 2nd half on the sidelines.I think with Rod Smith possibly not recovering, Marshall being hit or miss and Stokley not having seen the field, Walker is almost a mortal lock to be top 10.

I've seen those number, they are the proof behind my point. Extrapolate them out. Walker was getting 7 targets a game from Cutler. That's a mere 112 over a season, 27 other WRs got as many or more looks than that in 2006. As I predicted in another thread, the trend for Walker to get fewer targets from Cutler in 2007 than he did in 2006 is a very real posibility that nobody is talking about. The assumption is that Walker is the clear #1 and he'll get the looks....well, since Cutler has been under center, that has simply not been the case.When I showed the monstrous drop of targets and FF points with Cutler at QB as opposed to Plummer last year, people dismissed it as Cutler not having the time to get familiar with Walker during the 2006 season. Well, now, it appears as if the bond with Marshall has strengthened, while Walker continues to suffer. Cutler is used to throwing to Marshall, he obviously prefers it, so if anyone is going to be a top ten WR in that offense it would be Marshall. He gets the targets, he gets the catches, he gets the stats. Walker is just hoping for scraps at this point. How any other conclusions can be drawn from the facts at hand are baseless and quantum leaps of blind faith.

 

[Courtjester]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

I guess I don't understand your logic here.Let's look at the stats from last yearGame 13--Cutler is 10 of 21 for 143 yards Walker is targeted on 7 of those 21 passes and catches 2.Game 14 Cutler is 17 of 30 for 188 yards. Walker is targeted 8 times for 52 yards.Game 15 Cutler is 21 of 31 for 261 yards. Walker is targeted 6 times, catches 5 of those 6 including a TD.Game 16 Cutler is 12-23 for 179 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times, catches 3 including another TD.Game 17 Cutler goes 21 for 32 for 230 yards. Walker is targeted 7 times catches 4 in a game that really stunk if you are a Bronco fan.Now to be fair, I feel Cutler really seemed to focus in on Sheffler last year as his first option, but that would be expected from a rookie QB who maybe is locking on to someone rather than properly going through his progressions. And to judge how Cutler and Walker are going to perfrom this year from less than 2 1/2 quarters of pre-season football is just funny--especially since Walker appears to be performing at half speed and was heavily taped the entire 2nd half on the sidelines.I think with Rod Smith possibly not recovering, Marshall being hit or miss and Stokley not having seen the field, Walker is almost a mortal lock to be top 10.

I've seen those number, they are the proof behind my point. Extrapolate them out. Walker was getting 7 targets a game from Cutler. That's a mere 112 over a season, 27 other WRs got as many or more looks than that in 2006. As I predicted in another thread, the trend for Walker to get fewer targets from Cutler in 2007 than he did in 2006 is a very real posibility that nobody is talking about. The assumption is that Walker is the clear #1 and he'll get the looks....well, since Cutler has been under center, that has simply not been the case.When I showed the monstrous drop of targets and FF points with Cutler at QB as opposed to Plummer last year, people dismissed it as Cutler not having the time to get familiar with Walker during the 2006 season. Well, now, it appears as if the bond with Marshall has strengthened, while Walker continues to suffer. Cutler is used to throwing to Marshall, he obviously prefers it, so if anyone is going to be a top ten WR in that offense it would be Marshall. He gets the targets, he gets the catches, he gets the stats. Walker is just hoping for scraps at this point. How any other conclusions can be drawn from the facts at hand are baseless and quantum leaps of blind faith.

I understand where you are coming from, but in that same period of games, Marshall was only targeted 25 times. How can you possibly see 25 targets being more than the 35 targets Walker had?The only leaps being made is your logic, which is like flipping a coin 2 times--they both come up heads and then making a statement that if you flipped the coin 100 times--it would probably come up heads 100 of those times since it happened 100% of time during your test flips.No one knows what will happen this year. We are talking about basically a rookie QB, a very complicated offensive system and a city that is expecting nothing less than a super bpwl bid, he could struggle all year and Ramsey could take over. All every one else is saying (I believe) is that the foundation is in place for Walker to have a big year--that is why they call them projections.

 

[H.K.]

I understand where you are coming from, but in that same period of games, Marshall was only targeted 25 times. How can you possibly see 25 targets being more than the 35 targets Walker had?The only leaps being made is your logic, which is like flipping a coin 2 times--they both come up heads and then making a statement that if you flipped the coin 100 times--it would probably come up heads 100 of those times since it happened 100% of time during your test flips.No one knows what will happen this year. We are talking about basically a rookie QB, a very complicated offensive system and a city that is expecting nothing less than a super bpwl bid, he could struggle all year and Ramsey could take over. All every one else is saying (I believe) is that the foundation is in place for Walker to have a big year--that is why they call them projections.

We know exactly what Denver will do. Travis Henry (assuming healthy) will be the focal point. Denver is working very hard on getting him live reps in the pre-season. He is their primary weapon on offense, and it makes sense that the team practice with him in live situations. Then Cutler will use play action when the run is established and spread the ball around. The Broncos are running the same offense now that they will in the regular season.The team is not going to flip a switch and all of a sudden start throwing to Walker 3 times a quarter when the real games start. He'll be lucky to get 3 targets a half.If Walker were going to be a larger part of the game plan for the Broncos this season, they'd be working on it every bit as much as they are with Henry at RB right now.

 

[Gr00vus]

So H.K., how many rosters do you have Javon on? Or can you not tell us that until after the season. In other words, this shtick seems quite familiar, I figured you'd close the gates on it after last year, but I guess not?

 

[kensat30]

Walker could catch 40 passes from Cutler this coming season and score 10 TDs.

You thought Carson Palmer to Chad Johnson down the field was explosive? Think again.

 

[SSOG]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

Oh I don't know, I would think that cutting your own nose off to spite your face wouldn't be a good career move for Cutler.

Wouldn't you think that the Broncos would try and get Cutler and Walker some game experience working together in the pre-season? Cutler only has 5 career starts, its not like this is Manning/Harrison. All we heard in the off season was that Cutler was used to practicing with the second team in 2006 so he went to Marshall and Scheffler during games in lieu of Walker last year. Well, now that they've gone through OTA's and camp together, not a thing has changed. Cutler is still going to Marshall first, TE second and then Walker.There has been zero evidence that Cutler will give Walker the targets necessary to come close to what most are projecting for him. Walker is one of, if not the worst, WR values this year.

But H.K., in week 1 of the preseason, Cutler threw two passes, and one of them was directed at Walker. That's 50% of the targets! Over the last three seasons, Denver has averaged 481 passes thrown per season. If we extrapolate from that single preseason game over a whole season, that's 240 or so targets for Walker. Last year, Walker averaged 8.67 yards per target and 1 TD per 15.625 targets. If we project this rate of production over the 240 targets that he's a mortal lock to receive, we're looking at 2080 yards receiving and 15 TDs- and this is ignoring his rushing value entirely. Since you're obviously of the opinion that a single preseason game gives us some meaningful insight on how a player will be used this season, then surely you'll be the first to agree that Javon Walker is a lock this season to catch 132 balls for 2080 yards and 15 scores, right?

So H.K., how many rosters do you have Javon on? Or can you not tell us that until after the season. In other words, this shtick seems quite familiar, I figured you'd close the gates on it after last year, but I guess not?

Schtick:HK::Water:Fish

 

[Diamond One]

Unless I missed it, something that hasn't been mentioned in all of these Denver injury threads concerning Henry & Walker: Shanny is a master at playing the deceptive injury report game. I'm not trying to say that there isn't reason for concern with either key player, but it is pre-season for the coaching staff too (they have rust to shake off as well)...

 

[Routilla]

But H.K., in week 1 of the preseason, Cutler threw two passes, and one of them was directed at Walker. That's 50% of the targets! Over the last three seasons, Denver has averaged 481 passes thrown per season. If we extrapolate from that single preseason game over a whole season, that's 240 or so targets for Walker. Last year, Walker averaged 8.67 yards per target and 1 TD per 15.625 targets. If we project this rate of production over the 240 targets that he's a mortal lock to receive, we're looking at 2080 yards receiving and 15 TDs- and this is ignoring his rushing value entirely. Since you're obviously of the opinion that a single preseason game gives us some meaningful insight on how a player will be used this season, then surely you'll be the first to agree that Javon Walker is a lock this season to catch 132 balls for 2080 yards and 15 scores, right?

 

[SSOG]

Unless I missed it, something that hasn't been mentioned in all of these Denver injury threads concerning Henry & Walker: Shanny is a master at playing the deceptive injury report game. I'm not trying to say that there isn't reason for concern with either key player, but it is pre-season for the coaching staff too (they have rust to shake off as well)...

No. No he is not. Mike Shanahan is one of the most honest coaches IN THE ENTIRE NFL when it comes to reporting injuries. If you don't believe me, you can look up historical data. In the world of make-believe and pretend (aka the "fantasy" part of "fantasy football"), then maybe Mike Shanahan issues misleading injury reports while riding a Unicorn to work and sprinkling faerie dust on the next 1,000 yard rusher. In the real world (aka the "football" part of "fantasy football"), there are very few coaches (if any) in the entire NFL who you can trust to be more honest and up-front about injuries.If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how Jeff Fisher lists every single injured player on his entire team as "questionable". If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how Bill Belichick has listed Tom Brady as "probably - shoulder" for something like 5 straight years (or how he lists injuries in the vaguest way possible, such as designating all hip, thigh, hamstring, ankle, and knee problems as simply "leg"). If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how TONY FREAKING DUNGY, that bastion of morality and honesty in an otherwise corrupt league, is a total hack when it comes to injury reports- he averaged something like 20 players listed on his injury reports last season, all as questionable, despite the fact that only 3 or 4 were actually missing practices. These coaches, and many others, legitimately play games with their injury reports... which is why it's so frustrating that Shanahan, one of the very few honest coaches in the league, has become the poster boy for injury report hijinks.

 

[Hellfire Snail]

One half of action vs. Dallas and Cutler targeted Walker one time. Once.Any discussion of Walker being top ten can be laid to rest. Cutler refuses to look his way. He didn't last year, and he isn't this season. I wonder if those two flat out hate each other or something?

Oh I don't know, I would think that cutting your own nose off to spite your face wouldn't be a good career move for Cutler.

Wouldn't you think that the Broncos would try and get Cutler and Walker some game experience working together in the pre-season? Cutler only has 5 career starts, its not like this is Manning/Harrison. All we heard in the off season was that Cutler was used to practicing with the second team in 2006 so he went to Marshall and Scheffler during games in lieu of Walker last year. Well, now that they've gone through OTA's and camp together, not a thing has changed. Cutler is still going to Marshall first, TE second and then Walker.There has been zero evidence that Cutler will give Walker the targets necessary to come close to what most are projecting for him. Walker is one of, if not the worst, WR values this year.

But H.K., in week 1 of the preseason, Cutler threw two passes, and one of them was directed at Walker. That's 50% of the targets! Over the last three seasons, Denver has averaged 481 passes thrown per season. If we extrapolate from that single preseason game over a whole season, that's 240 or so targets for Walker. Last year, Walker averaged 8.67 yards per target and 1 TD per 15.625 targets. If we project this rate of production over the 240 targets that he's a mortal lock to receive, we're looking at 2080 yards receiving and 15 TDs- and this is ignoring his rushing value entirely. Since you're obviously of the opinion that a single preseason game gives us some meaningful insight on how a player will be used this season, then surely you'll be the first to agree that Javon Walker is a lock this season to catch 132 balls for 2080 yards and 15 scores, right?

So H.K., how many rosters do you have Javon on? Or can you not tell us that until after the season. In other words, this shtick seems quite familiar, I figured you'd close the gates on it after last year, but I guess not?

Schtick:HK::Water:Fish

One of the most entertaining posts I've read in quite some time. H.K. is a sideshow, anybody who doesn't know that should figure it out pretty quick. Still funny to see somebody yank his pants down though.

 

[-OZ-]

Unless I missed it, something that hasn't been mentioned in all of these Denver injury threads concerning Henry & Walker: Shanny is a master at playing the deceptive injury report game. I'm not trying to say that there isn't reason for concern with either key player, but it is pre-season for the coaching staff too (they have rust to shake off as well)...

No. No he is not. Mike Shanahan is one of the most honest coaches IN THE ENTIRE NFL when it comes to reporting injuries. If you don't believe me, you can look up historical data. In the world of make-believe and pretend (aka the "fantasy" part of "fantasy football"), then maybe Mike Shanahan issues misleading injury reports while riding a Unicorn to work and sprinkling faerie dust on the next 1,000 yard rusher. In the real world (aka the "football" part of "fantasy football"), there are very few coaches (if any) in the entire NFL who you can trust to be more honest and up-front about injuries.If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how Jeff Fisher lists every single injured player on his entire team as "questionable". If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how Bill Belichick has listed Tom Brady as "probably - shoulder" for something like 5 straight years (or how he lists injuries in the vaguest way possible, such as designating all hip, thigh, hamstring, ankle, and knee problems as simply "leg"). If you want to talk about deceptive injury reports, why not talk about how TONY FREAKING DUNGY, that bastion of morality and honesty in an otherwise corrupt league, is a total hack when it comes to injury reports- he averaged something like 20 players listed on his injury reports last season, all as questionable, despite the fact that only 3 or 4 were actually missing practices. These coaches, and many others, legitimately play games with their injury reports... which is why it's so frustrating that Shanahan, one of the very few honest coaches in the league, has become the poster boy for injury report hijinks.

Personally, I don't like the rule although it's gold in FF. But that's besides the point.

 

[NY/NJMFDIVER]

I think there is a "shark"-ish tendency to over think things, and those forecast doom and gloom for Javon Walker are treading there IMO.

I don't see him being a top 5 guy, but I do see

85-105 catches

12-1400 yards

8-12 TD

If you are getting him in the 35 picks or so into your draft, thats a servicable guy who'll help you do things.

Preseason is a very worthwhile barometer, but its not the be all and end all.

 

[H.K.]

But H.K., in week 1 of the preseason, Cutler threw two passes, and one of them was directed at Walker. That's 50% of the targets! Over the last three seasons, Denver has averaged 481 passes thrown per season. If we extrapolate from that single preseason game over a whole season, that's 240 or so targets for Walker. Last year, Walker averaged 8.67 yards per target and 1 TD per 15.625 targets. If we project this rate of production over the 240 targets that he's a mortal lock to receive, we're looking at 2080 yards receiving and 15 TDs- and this is ignoring his rushing value entirely. Since you're obviously of the opinion that a single preseason game gives us some meaningful insight on how a player will be used this season, then surely you'll be the first to agree that Javon Walker is a lock this season to catch 132 balls for 2080 yards and 15 scores, right?

I think your sample size is way too small. I like to use the entire set of data with Cutler at QB.2006: Five games with an average of 7 targets for 3.6 recepts and 46 yards receiving per game.2007 Preseason has been similar, Walker has played over 2 quarters and has only two targets, resulting in two catches for 27 yards.The common mantra coming from Walker supporters was that Cutler would get used to working with him and throw more to him after the pair practiced together in the off-season. This has not happened, as evidenced by targets in games this year.The other assumption was that Cutler would throw to Walker because he is supposedly their best option/#1 receiving threat. This theory has not panned out, either.If people were to say Henry will be huge and have over 300 carries this year, I don't think anyone would disagree with that. The Broncos are really working on getting him familair with the OL in game situations.However, assuming Walker will be the primary option in the passing game appears to be a misconception at this point. If the Broncos are comfortable showcasing Henry and getting him reps in the pre-season, then they should have no qualms about getting Cutler and Walker in a rhythm in live situations. However, when the whistle blows, Cutler and the Broncos are not incorporating Walker into the game plan the way that Plummer did (important note: Walker saw a 33% drop in production when the switch was made last year). The facts are undeniable and its time Walker gets dropped way down the cheatsheets. No WR can produce without targets, and Cutler isn't giving Javon near enough to be ranked as high as he is currently.

 

[-OZ-]

2007 Preseason has been similar, Walker has played over 2 quarters and has only two targets, resulting in two catches for 27 yards.

Chad Johnson has 3 receptions for 55 yards, he must be behind Skyler GreenSteve Smith has 3 receptions for 23 yards, must be behind Taye BiddleWhatever you do, don't draft Roy Williams. With only 1 reception for 23 yards, he's obviously not playing well with Kitna. McDonald is the new man in town.

 

[cartel]

"From what I understand, some of the tissue and cartilage is still breaking away from the surgery,"

Can any of the resident medical experts give more info on this?

I think he means scar tissue breaking apart not cartilage.

 

[H.K.]

2007 Preseason has been similar, Walker has played over 2 quarters and has only two targets, resulting in two catches for 27 yards.

Chad Johnson has 3 receptions for 55 yards, he must be behind Skyler GreenSteve Smith has 3 receptions for 23 yards, must be behind Taye BiddleWhatever you do, don't draft Roy Williams. With only 1 reception for 23 yards, he's obviously not playing well with Kitna. McDonald is the new man in town.

Those are completely different situations because they are all proven #1's with their current QB. However, you do prove my point in another area, look at their targets last year:SSmith - 140 in 14 gamesCJohnson - 154RWilliams - 153Cutler/Walker's 112 target projection pales in comparison. It's pretty eye-opening to compare how ignored Walker has been as a WR1 since Cutler has been QB.

 

[lord_helmet]

No one is going to change anyones mind about Walker anyway, so why even bother ?

 

[videoguy505]

at people arguing with HK

Catching this many actually warms my heart a bit, it's like the first sign the new season is here when all the noobs and in-season only readers come in and get caught in his nets.

 

[-OZ-]

at people arguing with HKCatching this many actually warms my heart a bit, it's like the first sign the new season is here when all the noobs and in-season only readers come in and get caught in his nets.

not a noob, and not the first time I've "argued" with HK. I'm more in the "point out fallacies so others don't start to believe him" category.Then again, if I were drafting with guppies who read the board, I'd be inclined to support HK.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Did anyone see JW's interview on HBO Real Sports last week? Maybe I'm completely out there on this one, but I'm just as concerned about where JW's head is at, if not more so, than I am about his physical health.

 

[SSOG]

The common mantra coming from Walker supporters was that Cutler would get used to working with him and throw more to him after the pair practiced together in the off-season. This has not happened, as evidenced by targets in games this year.

And you criticize *MY* sample size?Jay Cutler has thrown 16 passes in the preseason. Here's how the targets break down:Brandon Marshall: 4Javon Walker: 2Kyle Johnson: 2Travis Henry: 2 (one negated by penalty)Daniel Graham: 2Chad Mustard: 1Brian Clark: 1Domanick Hixon: 1one pass tipped at the LoS with no target marked.In other words, ONE player has been targeted more than Javon Walker- and it just happens to be the only player that Cutler hasn't logged significant reps with yet. Is it possible that Shanahan's just trying to get Cutler familiar with Marshall, who has missed pretty much all of training camps? Regardless, you say that Javon Walker won't be the most targeted WR on the team and laugh at my sample size of 2, when your entire argument is based on a sample size of FOUR TARGETS.

The other assumption was that Cutler would throw to Walker because he is supposedly their best option/#1 receiving threat. This theory has not panned out, either.

Oh? Pop quiz: Guess who Denver's leading receiver is when Cutler is in the game this preseason?

 

[H.K.]

Pop quiz: Guess who Denver's leading receiver is when Cutler is in the game this preseason?

Brandon Marshall with 3 receptions, what do I win?

 

[SSOG]

Pop quiz: Guess who Denver's leading receiver is when Cutler is in the game this preseason?

Brandon Marshall with 3 receptions, what do I win?

Since when is a team's "leading receiver" the guy with the most receptions and not the guy with the most yards?

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

I wasn't sure before, but I am now absolutely convinced beyond any doubt that H.K.'s Walker hate is pure SCHTICK.

Well played, sir, you got me good.