Javon Walker - Will he be traded before or on (1 Viewer)

[Sinrman]

I don't think he gets traded at all. Thompson has pretty much done what he's said he would do so far as the GM of the Packers.

I agree. He may want one, but the Pack likely won't let him go....for now. He's still considered a great WR, but his value took a hit from his injury last year. He's had plenty of time to recover, but the Pack wouldn't get quite as much now than if they had traded him after the 2004 season. His salary is low right now. They'll need veteran WRs to help out Rodgers, once Favre retires. Too many reasons to keep him there, I think...

 

[Slider]

If Favres comes back there's no way they can keep Walker. Did you all not see TO/McNabb after McNabb didn't back up TO in his contract request? Walker could rip that team apart. Imagine Walker comes back and is on his game and Favre throws a pick to end a couple games. Walker will blast away at the Green Bay darling to anyone that will listen...............and be right in some ways.

 

[Big Score]

If Favres comes back there's no way they can keep Walker.

Good point. Considering the animosity Walker has for Favre, I can't see them co-existing peacefully.

 

[Englishteacher]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy.

That's a pretty good point although I'm certainly no expert on the Packers. Not talking about Favre. But if the team is consistently losing high quality players due to squabbles with the front office then it will be hard to build an elite team because elite teams have elite players who demand elite money. That's pretty basic.

 

[Englishteacher]

I can understand the Packers requiring Javon to honor his rookie contract. Its the only wayteams can make money and compete without salaries getting under control. However, they had the option of extendingthat contract and did not.

I can understand that the Packers looked at it and said he still had two years left on the deal so there was time. They also probably wanted to see Javon replicate his success in another season. Obviously, Javon wanted the assurance of long term security before last season and it turned out he was right, he blew out a knee. Now his long term financial future is in question (relativley speaking, I mean at least for a pro athlete). Upon advice from his agent, he probably wanted the assurance from the Packers that he would be taken care of.

From my point of view, he took it like a man last season, he showed up to play and did not make a big stink once he put on the pads. And he got hurt. From the Packers point of view, they made the right choice, possibly, because they didn't shell out a huge investment on a guy who suffered a fairly significant football injury, catastrophic for one season at least. But they also risked alienating the player, which they have. Who's to say what the rest of Javon's career will look like but if he comes back to form, they've lost a dominant WR, not an easy thing to come by. I just don't see anyway possible that Javon can come back to the Pack now.

Do the Packers have a "set in stone" policy that they won't renegotiate or extend contracts with more than one year left on them? If so, that's fine, so be it, that's their way of doing things. But if a player substantially outperforms his contract, somewhere along the line he's going to want money and if his market value is compromised he's not going to be happy with the team if they make no effort to compensate him. If the Packers say, "we're just going to run the risk that these players don't get hurt" to hold them to a fixed salary, then it seems completely ridiculous for them to then hold them in a stranglehold as they are now doing with Walker. The whole situation is bad news and I see the team needing to make the best of the situation as it has unfolded and move Walker.

Walker stated his demands but was reasonable enough to come back and play last season. To me, he was not a cancer once he put the pads back on, he was a good teammate. He did not let the business side of the game affect his play or his attitude once he became a football player again for the Packers. Nor has he caused problems in other seasons, unlike T.O., with just simply playing the game of football. He's done his job.

I'm not sure what the Packers front office is really thinking now but the idea of them keeping Walker this year when he'll show up for six games and then them franchising him or whatever seems far fetched. I see the longest tenure of Walker in Green Bay now is him being held to his original contract and playing six games to earn his right to free agency. However, even this move hurts both the Packers and Walker. In my view, it's better for the team to get compensation for him now as their leverage only decreases the longer they keep him.

 

[cstu]

I was on Javon's side last year and thought the Packers were making a mistake by not extending his contract. He wanted to play for the Packers but also wanted to get paid in line with how he was performing. I don't think it would have taken a blockbuster deal to get it done either - the Packers were just stubborn. Now they have a player who saw his worst fears realized and holds a grudge against the team. There's no way the Packers are going to keep him now unless they pay him a lot of money - exactly what they were trying to do last year.

 

[cstu]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy.

That's a pretty good point although I'm certainly no expert on the Packers. Not talking about Favre. But if the team is consistently losing high quality players due to squabbles with the front office then it will be hard to build an elite team because elite teams have elite players who demand elite money. That's pretty basic.

This is what confuses me when I hear how terrible AJ Smith is as GM for the Chargers. Sure he plays hardball to get what he feels is a fair deal but he always makes sure to get players signed even if their contract isn't up when he thinks they are worth keeping. Tomlinson had two years left on his deal and he signed him to the biggest contract for a RB at the time. He didn't sign Brees because he didn't want to give huge contract to a QB when the Chargers had already drafted his successor. If Brees had repeated his 2004 season and stayed healthy, he'd be a Charger right now with a huge signing bonus.

 

[Challenge Everything]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy.

That's a pretty good point although I'm certainly no expert on the Packers. Not talking about Favre. But if the team is consistently losing high quality players due to squabbles with the front office then it will be hard to build an elite team because elite teams have elite players who demand elite money. That's pretty basic.

Yeah, that is an interesting point, but lets look at those same players now. McKenzie did not get his contract until a year later after the trade happened. Grady, where is the market for him? I dont see any teams really knocking down his door for his services. Javon, yeah, he is worthy but that is based on one year of solid production in the starting role. Most teams probably do not have three players go and lambast the ownership when they leave town, but each of these players does not leave without some baggage attached to them that they did not pack themselves. The Packers have done whatever a business would do. The players, when there is a finger to point they will point it at everyone but themselves, that is what these three have done.

 

[Englishteacher]

I was on Javon's side last year and thought the Packers were making a mistake by not extending his contract. He wanted to play for the Packers but also wanted to get paid in line with how he was performing. I don't think it would have taken a blockbuster deal to get it done either - the Packers were just stubborn. Now they have a player who saw his worst fears realized and holds a grudge against the team. There's no way the Packers are going to keep him now unless they pay him a lot of money - exactly what they were trying to do last year.

Now they have a player who saw his worst fears realized and holds a grudge against the team. Very well said man. I think many guys were on Javon's side, maybe not 100%, but he had been a player who represented his team well on the field both in team play and performance. There weren't stories coming out of green Bay where you heard Javon dogging his teammates or dogging it on the field at all, just another guy going to work every Sunday. To me, he proved he wasn't excessively greedy or punkish because he came back and played for the team, despite the risk. Then he got hurt. And that's where the really big problems statred. You have to empathize with the players some (again, if you can get past the fact that the entire sports entertainement world has WAY too much money in it) in that these players have a narrow window in which they can earn a living in this field. Yes, pro athletes get too much money but then so do the owners of these franchises, none of these guys are walking around asking you for a quarter either, not in the least. Also, compared to other high level executives which they compare to in salary, they are working with a fragile commodity as their bread and butter, their bodies. An executive has his mind and they don't often get tackled on the way to way to the water cooler and suffer concussions or have to worry whether they'll be able to walk at 50.

The Packers driving the hard line now are just ridiculous. Walker's already seen his career go into the crapper. He's angry. To be the only franchise to ever put this guy through the last year of his contract and expect to have him past 2006, using the franchise tag (although that's only been thrown out here in this thread) even, would be unprecedented. There's no way Walker wants to sign with the Pack in 2007, especially after he lost millions of dollars due to their negotiating tactics.

 

[Challenge Everything]

The Packers driving the hard line now are just ridiculous. Walker's already seen his career go into the crapper. He's angry. To be the only franchise to ever put this guy through the last year of his contract and expect to have him past 2006, using the franchise tag (although that's only been thrown out here in this thread) even, would be unprecedented. There's no way Walker wants to sign with the Pack in 2007, especially after he lost millions of dollars due to their negotiating tactics.

Packers arent driving any hard line. Walker threw the first punch this offseason. This is on Walker in every degree.

 

[Englishteacher]

Another thing to consider is that teams desiring Walker would MUCH rather have him now than after training camp is underway or finished. They need him in camp. His trade value is much higher now than it would be later obviously because the new team can begin to incorporate Walker into the offense now as opposed to him showing up bags in hand right before Week 1.

The Packers would also be able to gain a draft pick in a couple of weeks rather than wait until 2007.

I see a deal getting done before the draft as being optimal for both sides. If this trade isn't done by then, I really start to question the wisdom of the front office. Wow.

Perhaps the recent hard line stance, we're keeping Javon, we're not trading him is just of course the everpresent somescreen teams use to further their interests. After all, the GM said he liked Javon both as a person and a player. If he rips him apart it only shows he has less control over his asset (his player).

There's probably a bit of cat and mouse going on here because the first person to call (either the Packers to unload him or a team to aquire him) is going to - well it's a game.

 

[Englishteacher]

The Packers driving the hard line now are just ridiculous. Walker's already seen his career go into the crapper. He's angry.  To be the only franchise to ever put this guy through the last year of his contract and expect to have him past 2006, using the franchise tag (although that's only been thrown out here in this thread) even, would be unprecedented. There's no way Walker wants to sign with the Pack in 2007, especially after he lost millions of dollars due to their negotiating tactics.

Packers arent driving any hard line. Walker threw the first punch this offseason. This is on Walker in every degree.

You are right in your assessment but it doesn't change the fact Walker is furious with the Pack and refuses to play for them; which pretty much puts the Pack out of a WR and Walker basically for all intents and purposes, on the market.

 

[squistion]

If Favre retires, I think Walker is definetly gone. He's probably gone anyway.

I agree he is probably gone either way, but I think that is more likely if Favre does indeed return. I think the last thing Walker would want to do is contribute to a successful "farewell tour" for the player who publically called him out and got involved with issues that Walker felt was none of his business.

It would be particularly galling to hear all the accolades at each stadium stop for someone who (in his mind) prevented him from ever cashing in on full value of his perceived future earnings.

 

[Bizkiteer]

The Packers driving the hard line now are just ridiculous. Walker's already seen his career go into the crapper. He's angry.  To be the only franchise to ever put this guy through the last year of his contract and expect to have him past 2006, using the franchise tag (although that's only been thrown out here in this thread) even, would be unprecedented. There's no way Walker wants to sign with the Pack in 2007, especially after he lost millions of dollars due to their negotiating tactics.

Packers arent driving any hard line. Walker threw the first punch this offseason. This is on Walker in every degree.

No, Walker got a new agent and they approached the FO. They must have told him, sorry we're not doing anything. Thus, his comments and the rest is history. Remember, he had intentions of staying...thus the agent change, sot that they COULD have a better chance to work things out.

 

[Mister CIA]

Wouldn't it be ironic if Favre retired this year, rather than next, because he lacks a #1 WR.

 

[Englishteacher]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis? Just seems way to common for the Packers now, so they MUST not be really taking care of their players or at least making them feel worthy. Then again, they are taking care of Favre because they are letting him do wahtever he wants and holding them hostage...what a team guy. 

That's a pretty good point although I'm certainly no expert on the Packers. Not talking about Favre. But if the team is consistently losing high quality players due to squabbles with the front office then it will be hard to build an elite team because elite teams have elite players who demand elite money. That's pretty basic.

Yeah, that is an interesting point, but lets look at those same players now. McKenzie did not get his contract until a year later after the trade happened. Grady, where is the market for him? I dont see any teams really knocking down his door for his services. Javon, yeah, he is worthy but that is based on one year of solid production in the starting role. Most teams probably do not have three players go and lambast the ownership when they leave town, but each of these players does not leave without some baggage attached to them that they did not pack themselves. The Packers have done whatever a business would do. The players, when there is a finger to point they will point it at everyone but themselves, that is what these three have done.

A question. Hadn't Grady consistently come back to the Pack? It's obvious at least the Pack wanted him. It seems there is some desire for these guys to stay in Green Bay, some loyalty. Grady may have some issues as a player but there are a lot of teams that could use run stoppers. Why is it he didn't make it far from the frozen tundra?

 

[JetMaxx]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis?

Philadelphia Eagles:John Welbourne, Freddie Mitchell, T. O.

 

[MLBrandow]

If you're Denver, would you rather have Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes or Javon Walker (presuming he is 100%)?

 

[Kleck.]

I was on Javon's side last year and thought the Packers were making a mistake by not extending his contract.  He wanted to play for the Packers but also wanted to get paid in line with how he was performing.  I don't think it would have taken a blockbuster deal to get it done either - the Packers were just stubborn.  Now they have a player who saw his worst fears realized and holds a grudge against the team.  There's no way the Packers are going to keep him now unless they pay him a lot of money - exactly what they were trying to do last year.

Now they have a player who saw his worst fears realized and holds a grudge against the team. Very well said man. I think many guys were on Javon's side, maybe not 100%, but he had been a player who represented his team well on the field both in team play and performance. There weren't stories coming out of green Bay where you heard Javon dogging his teammates or dogging it on the field at all, just another guy going to work every Sunday. To me, he proved he wasn't excessively greedy or punkish because he came back and played for the team, despite the risk. Then he got hurt. And that's where the really big problems statred. You have to empathize with the players some (again, if you can get past the fact that the entire sports entertainement world has WAY too much money in it) in that these players have a narrow window in which they can earn a living in this field. Yes, pro athletes get too much money but then so do the owners of these franchises, none of these guys are walking around asking you for a quarter either, not in the least. Also, compared to other high level executives which they compare to in salary, they are working with a fragile commodity as their bread and butter, their bodies. An executive has his mind and they don't often get tackled on the way to way to the water cooler and suffer concussions or have to worry whether they'll be able to walk at 50.

The Packers driving the hard line now are just ridiculous. Walker's already seen his career go into the crapper. He's angry. To be the only franchise to ever put this guy through the last year of his contract and expect to have him past 2006, using the franchise tag (although that's only been thrown out here in this thread) even, would be unprecedented. There's no way Walker wants to sign with the Pack in 2007, especially after he lost millions of dollars due to their negotiating tactics.

Some of Mike Sherman's moves had put the Packers in cap hell last year. They had over $16 mil in wasted cap space, and had to cut some good players just to get under. I don't honestly believe they could have done anything to extend Walker's contract last year and give him the upfront money he wanted.

 

[Kleck.]

If you're Denver, would you rather have Chad Jackson, Santonio Holmes or Javon Walker (presuming he is 100%)?

There are not many WR's I'd want more than a 100% Walker, and certainly no rookie WR's. However, if Denver was willing to part ways with either of their 1st's for Walker (I don't think Denver would) I'd hope Thompson would make the trade.

 

[TCFF]

GB is playing this very, very poorly IMHO. Since this is Walker's last year on his contract by keeping him its very possible that they could end up with a big headache, six games of play, and nothing to show for him when he becomes a FA at the end of the season. Because there is no way they tag him and guarantee top 5 WR money to a guy that has held out. While holding out doesn't necessarily benefit Walker some team would still take a chance on him next year and it would give his knee that much more time to get correct. GB should move him before the draft and get the best pick(s) for him that they can. It is fairly obvious that GB is not going this route as they have not given Walker permission to seek a trade. Since Walker wants a new deal trade chances are slim, especially for a high pick, unless Walker and his agent have something worked out with the aquiring team before the trade.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis?

Philadelphia Eagles:John Welbourne, Freddie Mitchell, T. O.

Don't know if Freddie would qualify since he was cut and is not in the NFL anymore. IF he had some value, he'd have gone to another team and stuck. I think a player has to have value for the organization to pay them...

 

[trader jake]

Don't you find it odd how McKenzie, Walker, G. Jackson lately (past year or two) have all made comments that they want to be traded or cut? Since when does an NFL team have starters say this on a year in year out basis?

Philadelphia Eagles:John Welbourne, Freddie Mitchell, T. O.

Don't know if Freddie would qualify since he was cut and is not in the NFL anymore. IF he had some value, he'd have gone to another team and stuck. I think a player has to have value for the organization to pay them...

all examples "count" because they fit the question being asked. the reason fredex didn't sign with a team last year was due to injury...he worked out for the chiefs and a few other teams, but he couldn't show that he was healthy enough to contributethe eagles and packers have one thing in common that pisses off some players: they set their market price on aguy and will not exceed that price...especially with veterans. they also have been two of the most successful franchises over the past 5-10 years

have the consistently successful team (like the patriots and colts) overpaid for star players the last few seasons or built their teams primarily through the draft? watching other teams sign the high priced free-agents sucks as a fan during march and april but i'm more concerned with september through february anyway

 

[fatness]

Denver Post

It wouldn't be surprising if Denver makes another run at Walker and offers Lelie in a package to the Packers - who, with or without Walker, need wideouts. Lelie is a great deep threat, but he doesn't seem to fit Denver's system.

 

[Sabertooth]

Denver Post

It wouldn't be surprising if Denver makes another run at Walker and offers Lelie in a package to the Packers - who, with or without Walker, need wideouts. Lelie is a great deep threat, but he doesn't seem to fit Denver's system.

Lelie I could see being part of a trade. But the Packers won't make a deal unless it favors them. They don't need to do anything here.

 

[Bizkiteer]

Denver Post

It wouldn't be surprising if Denver makes another run at Walker and offers Lelie in a package to the Packers - who, with or without Walker, need wideouts. Lelie is a great deep threat, but he doesn't seem to fit Denver's system.

Lelie I could see being part of a trade. But the Packers won't make a deal unless it favors them. They don't need to do anything here.

I don't know getting those 2 1st roudners, one not being too low (#15 overall) is not a bad idea for them. They could get potenially two starters for years to come. Add the portion Lelie for Walker in the deal, and they have Driver for possession type and Lelie for the long ball. Since Walker and the Packers are at odds, it would be wise. Hey, at first everyone said the Redskins were crazy to trade Coles for Moss...look how that turned out.

 

[Kleck.]

Packers WR Lucas Sets Record With Four TD Catches In Week 4 NFL Europe League Play posted 04/10/2006 Chad Lucas Related Information : NFL Europe: Week 4 Recap What a weekend! Week 4 of the NFL Europe League season was packed with action as a new touchdown record was set, one team remained undefeated and all the games were close, with all three being decided by 10 points-or-less.Green Bay Packers wide receiver Chad Lucas became the first player in NFL Europe history to catch four touchdown passes in a game, helping the Amsterdam Admirals improve to 3-1 with a thrilling 38-31 road win over the Berlin Thunder. Amsterdam quarterbacks Gibran Hamdan (Seattle Seahawks) and Jared Allen (Tampa Bay Buccaneers) each threw two touchdowns to Lucas, who finished with six receptions for 120 yards."The record means a lot because it just goes to show that hard work pays off," said Lucas. "I caught four touchdowns tonight, but if everybody else wasn't doing their job, I wouldn't have caught those touchdowns."The Rhein Fire remained perfect, moving to 4-0 with a 31-21 victory over the Hamburg Sea Devils in front of 18,324 fans at LTU Arena in Düsseldorf. Dallas Cowboys quarterback Drew Henson completed 15 of 23 passes (65.2 percent) for 192 yards with two touchdowns for a 120.2 passer rating for the Rhein Fire. Both of Henson's TDs went to New England Patriots wide receiver Zuriel Smith."Drew Henson stepped up and was a major factor in us winning this football game," said Fire head coach Jim Tomsula.In Frankfurt, a spirited crowd of 23,125 watched the Galaxy's 21-14 victory over the Cologne Centurions.Pittsburgh Steelers wide receiver Walter Young hauled in two touchdowns for Frankfurt, finishing with five catches for 70 yards. "We came out and did what we came to do," said Young. "It was a good team win."Arizona Cardinals running back Roger Robinson, the league's leading rusher, ran for 128 yards and one score, his third 100-yard game this season."The offense played well as a whole," said Robinson, who has rushed for 476 yards this year. "It was a lot of fun."

Who needs Javon.

 

[wannabee]

The Pack might try to trade for Rashaun Woods. He caught 6 TDs in a college game, against SMU.

 

[Englishteacher]

Do we have a lead in the case? From a Football Guy no less?

no copying hyperlinks...... see below

The rumor is from a Football Guy who says his nephews baseball coaches brother says the Birds are after Javon for a third rounder

 

[Englishteacher]

Walker

 

[Englishteacher]

One thing to think about with a trade to Denver is they are real tight under the salary cap. They even had to let go of Trevor Pryce when they needed D Line help. Javon is going to want some kind of new deal when he gets traded, does Denver have enough wiggle room for that right now? Also, they are so close to winning a Super Bowl now, do you think they would sacrifice a chance at a ring on a guy who's coming back from a torn ACL? I think most would agree Lelie is nada compared to Walker but he's been fairly healthy in his career and he might offer more stability for the position. Given what they might have to give up (pick and Lelie) and the money situation, do they do this deal?

What does the Eagles cap situation look like? They usually are very well managed in this area so I would assume they would have more leverage in a contract negotiation than Denver.

 

[Bizkiteer]

One thing to think about with a trade to Denver is they are real tight under the salary cap. They even had to let go of Trevor Pryce when they needed D Line help. Javon is going to want some kind of new deal when he gets traded, does Denver have enough wiggle room for that right now? Also, they are so close to winning a Super Bowl now, do you think they would sacrifice a chance at a ring on a guy who's coming back from a torn ACL? I think most would agree Lelie is nada compared to Walker but he's been fairly healthy in his career and he might offer more stability for the position. Given what they might have to give up (pick and Lelie) and the money situation, do they do this deal?

What does the Eagles cap situation look like? They usually are very well managed in this area so I would assume they would have more leverage in a contract negotiation than Denver.

I think it's clear that Denver would have to get real creative in the new deal if they got Walker. Maybe make this year incentive ladden, but more over how they handle the singing bonus.As for the Iggles, they should have absolutely no problem giving him any type of deal because they have more than enough room.

Someone said there is a rumor that Charles Grant for J Walker type deal in the works, but they did not say where that was coming from. Who knows, huh? All I can say is that he should be as good as gone, it's just a matter of what they can get in return for him.

 

[Englishteacher]

Wow, the plot is thickening.

Denver. Kansas City. Miami. New Orleans. Philly. And a half dozen other teams where Walker would fit in well.

The news he is going to be traded. Then Thompson saying he's not on the block.

You think he'll be traded tonight (Friday), Saturday morning, or during the draft?