Javon Walker (1 Viewer)

[bumpman]

Walker is an elite WR and among the top 5-7 guys for his position in real NFL and fantasy with or without Favre.

Take off your pimp glasses. You sound ridiculous. 5-7 WRs better than Walker....

Chad Johnson

Torry Holt

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Anquan Boldin

Debatable.

Not even. Not even debateable.



Walker has had a season and a half of good football, and other than that there isn't isn't much worth noting and people are talking as if he is a Top 5 WR in the NFL....thats almost laughable. If you think Walker is better than Boldin or Fitzgerald, then you are truly out to lunch.

That list of 7 WRs doesn't even include WRs such as Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, Chris Chambers and those are the WRs I would associate Walker with.

Uh, so has Fitz. Steve Smith has had 2.5 good seasons. Same for Boldin.

Walker broke out his 3rd year which is pretty typical of stud WR's. Lost a season due to injury and then came back on fire. As a matter of fact, he seems to be following Steve Smith's career pretty closely. Steve Smith broke out his 3rd year, lost a season due to injury and absolutely lit it up his 5th year. Walker isn't on a 2005 Steve Smith pace this year, but he's definitely tearing it up.

Chad Johnson has about 3 good games all season. For the first part of the season he blew. Harrison is up there in age so for Dynasty purpuses I would rather have Walker. Not to mention that Wayne is a much more viable target for Manning than anyone Denver has. TO is a nut job and at risk of losing his job at any moment because of his mouth.

All of these guys you say are not debatable are absolutely debatable except for Holt.

I love guys that speak in absolutes. Usually means they are absolutely idiots....

Prior to TO going to Phillly a couple of years ago, there used to be a widely accepted notion that even a good WR could not switch teams and do well in his first year. There were many examples and few exceptions to that rule. TO came along and broke the mold (and may be doing it again in his switch to Dallas) and everybody was quick to attribute that to TO's incredible talent. Yet, Walker switches teams the same year he is recovering from a blown ACL to play with a QB that is much worse than McNabb and proceeds to recapture his form from before his injury in his first year when he scored 13 TDs and 1300 yards. What is it if not elite talent that is allowing Walker to do this?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Walker is an elite WR and among the top 5-7 guys for his position in real NFL and fantasy with or without Favre.

Take off your pimp glasses. You sound ridiculous. 5-7 WRs better than Walker....

Chad Johnson

Torry Holt

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Anquan Boldin

Debatable.

Not even. Not even debateable.



Walker has had a season and a half of good football, and other than that there isn't isn't much worth noting and people are talking as if he is a Top 5 WR in the NFL....thats almost laughable. If you think Walker is better than Boldin or Fitzgerald, then you are truly out to lunch.

That list of 7 WRs doesn't even include WRs such as Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, Chris Chambers and those are the WRs I would associate Walker with.

Uh, so has Fitz. Steve Smith has had 2.5 good seasons. Same for Boldin.

Walker broke out his 3rd year which is pretty typical of stud WR's. Lost a season due to injury and then came back on fire. As a matter of fact, he seems to be following Steve Smith's career pretty closely. Steve Smith broke out his 3rd year, lost a season due to injury and absolutely lit it up his 5th year. Walker isn't on a 2005 Steve Smith pace this year, but he's definitely tearing it up.

Chad Johnson has about 3 good games all season. For the first part of the season he blew. Harrison is up there in age so for Dynasty purpuses I would rather have Walker. Not to mention that Wayne is a much more viable target for Manning than anyone Denver has. TO is a nut job and at risk of losing his job at any moment because of his mouth.

All of these guys you say are not debatable are absolutely debatable except for Holt.

I love guys that speak in absolutes. Usually means they are absolutely idiots....

I love guys that think Walker is a Top 5 WR in the NFL. People always ride the hot hand. Last year we were hearing how Chris Chambers was top 5 and a beast. I'll take consistently good WRs instead of hearing about how an on-fire WR is top 5 simply because of how his season is going.

Should Colston be considered a Top 5 WR in the NFL as well?

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Walker is an elite WR and among the top 5-7 guys for his position in real NFL and fantasy with or without Favre.

Take off your pimp glasses. You sound ridiculous. 5-7 WRs better than Walker....

Chad Johnson

Torry Holt

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Anquan Boldin

Debatable.

Not even. Not even debateable.



Walker has had a season and a half of good football, and other than that there isn't isn't much worth noting and people are talking as if he is a Top 5 WR in the NFL....thats almost laughable. If you think Walker is better than Boldin or Fitzgerald, then you are truly out to lunch.

That list of 7 WRs doesn't even include WRs such as Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, Chris Chambers and those are the WRs I would associate Walker with.

Uh, so has Fitz. Steve Smith has had 2.5 good seasons. Same for Boldin.

Walker broke out his 3rd year which is pretty typical of stud WR's. Lost a season due to injury and then came back on fire. As a matter of fact, he seems to be following Steve Smith's career pretty closely. Steve Smith broke out his 3rd year, lost a season due to injury and absolutely lit it up his 5th year. Walker isn't on a 2005 Steve Smith pace this year, but he's definitely tearing it up.

Chad Johnson has about 3 good games all season. For the first part of the season he blew. Harrison is up there in age so for Dynasty purpuses I would rather have Walker. Not to mention that Wayne is a much more viable target for Manning than anyone Denver has. TO is a nut job and at risk of losing his job at any moment because of his mouth.

All of these guys you say are not debatable are absolutely debatable except for Holt.

I love guys that speak in absolutes. Usually means they are absolutely idiots....

Prior to TO going to Phillly a couple of years ago, there used to be a widely accepted notion that even a good WR could not switch teams and do well in his first year. There were many examples and few exceptions to that rule. TO came along and broke the mold (and may be doing it again in his switch to Dallas) and everybody was quick to attribute that to TO's incredible talent. Yet, Walker switches teams the same year he is recovering from a blown ACL to play with a QB that is much worse than McNabb and proceeds to recapture his form from before his injury in his first year when he scored 13 TDs and 1300 yards. What is it if not elite talent that is allowing Walker to do this?

I think this about sums it up nicely.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Walker is an elite WR and among the top 5-7 guys for his position in real NFL and fantasy with or without Favre.

Take off your pimp glasses. You sound ridiculous. 5-7 WRs better than Walker....

Chad Johnson

Torry Holt

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Anquan Boldin

Debatable.

Not even. Not even debateable.



Walker has had a season and a half of good football, and other than that there isn't isn't much worth noting and people are talking as if he is a Top 5 WR in the NFL....thats almost laughable. If you think Walker is better than Boldin or Fitzgerald, then you are truly out to lunch.

That list of 7 WRs doesn't even include WRs such as Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, Chris Chambers and those are the WRs I would associate Walker with.

Uh, so has Fitz. Steve Smith has had 2.5 good seasons. Same for Boldin.

Walker broke out his 3rd year which is pretty typical of stud WR's. Lost a season due to injury and then came back on fire. As a matter of fact, he seems to be following Steve Smith's career pretty closely. Steve Smith broke out his 3rd year, lost a season due to injury and absolutely lit it up his 5th year. Walker isn't on a 2005 Steve Smith pace this year, but he's definitely tearing it up.

Chad Johnson has about 3 good games all season. For the first part of the season he blew. Harrison is up there in age so for Dynasty purpuses I would rather have Walker. Not to mention that Wayne is a much more viable target for Manning than anyone Denver has. TO is a nut job and at risk of losing his job at any moment because of his mouth.

All of these guys you say are not debatable are absolutely debatable except for Holt.

I love guys that speak in absolutes. Usually means they are absolutely idiots....

I love guys that think Walker is a Top 5 WR in the NFL. People always ride the hot hand. Last year we were hearing how Chris Chambers was top 5 and a beast. I'll take consistently good WRs instead of hearing about how an on-fire WR is top 5 simply because of how his season is going.

Should Colston be considered a Top 5 WR in the NFL as well?

-Colston has to keep up a similar pace and do it for more than one season to even be in the argument.(remember M. Clayton's rookie year and Andre Johnson's rookie year and what happened the following years).-Chambers has not backed up his strong end to last season therefore he is not showing an elite level. He is doing a lot worst than Walker while recieving more targets.

Walker's career path:

-Walker was better than average in 2003. (his second year)

-Walker was top 5 in 2004.(A great season).

-Walker was hurt in 2005. (more then likely would have been top 10 at the worst and by looks of it could have been top 5 again like 2004 and what he is doing this season in 2006).

-Walker is top 5 in 2006 (while switcing teams, learning a new offense, coming back from a major surgery, having the least amount of targets of any of the top 10 WR's, and playing with an inconsitent QB).

Walker is proving that he is one of the elite WR's in the game and to think it is not debatable to put him along side the other top WR's is laughable.

The scary thing is Walker is just entering his prime years as an NFL WR.

 

[salmonstud]

Walker is the real deal. I missed the boat early & felt that is knee injury combined with his change to a new team would equate to him having a very subpar year. I dealt him in a dynasty league that I was stacked at WR for L.White & a 1st rounder I believe around week 2 or 3, just before Walker broke out (ugh). I traded FOR HIM in 2 other leagues before his 3 TD game. The writing was on the wall in weeks 3-7 if you were watching. He was looking good & quickly became Jake's go to guy. If healthy I believe he will be in the WR15-WR5 range for the next 3 years. If Cutler is 1/2 as good as advertised, Walker has a chance to eclipse Rod Smith's best years in the near future.

 

[Hendo]

Walker could be in the top 3 let alone top 10 the next 5 years barring Cutlers maturation period.

only 2 WR's i see with that blend of size/speed/vision ball seperation talent and thats Walker and some loud mouth named TO.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Walker could be in the top 3 let alone top 10 the next 5 years barring Cutlers maturation period. only 2 WR's i see with that blend of size/speed/vision ball seperation talent and thats Walker and some loud mouth named TO.

I agree that these 2 guys have similar games.The biggest difference is TO is much more powerful than Walker, but Walker has way better hands than T.O.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Should Colston be considered a Top 5 WR in the NFL as well?

-Colston has to keep up a similar pace and do it for more than one season to even be in the argument.(remember M. Clayton's rookie year and Andre Johnson's rookie year and what happened the following years).

How can you be so quick to judge Walker as elite, yet cast aside Colston saying that he hasn't done it long enough. Thats exactly my point. I will take WRs which have been elite for years, instead of a year and a half or half a year. Walker's career is basically IDENTICAL to that of Santana Moss and a WR which I would compare him with in terms of stature as a WR.In 2003, Santana Moss was the 8th ranked WR with 74 receptions, 1174 yds and 10TDs with New YorkIn 2004, Santana Moss was just average....In 2005, Santana Moss went to the REDSKINS and finished as the 3rd ranked WR with 84 receptions, 1483 yds and 9 TDs-Moss meets this imaginary test of switching teams and being elite right away. -Has more than a season of being great The ironic thing is that I don't hear how Santana Moss is being mentioned as an elite WR and a Top 5 WR. The reason being, is that he isn't doing as "hot" right now. He has done as much, or more than Walker yet isn't even mentioned at all, which is exactly my point. Explain to me why Javon Walker is top 5 consideration, but not Santana Moss??

 

[MarcO]

Walker could be in the top 3 let alone top 10 the next 5 years barring Cutlers maturation period. only 2 WR's i see with that blend of size/speed/vision ball seperation talent and thats Walker and some loud mouth named TO.

I agree that these 2 guys have similar games.The biggest difference is TO is much more powerful than Walker, but Walker has way better hands than T.O.

And TO could never take an end around 72 yds to the house - nor would they allow him to try.

 

[TheFanatic]

The ironic thing is that I don't hear how Santana Moss is being mentioned as an elite WR and a Top 5 WR. The reason being, is that he isn't doing as "hot" right now. He has done as much, or more than Walker yet isn't even mentioned at all, which is exactly my point. Explain to me why Javon Walker is top 5 consideration, but not Santana Moss??

Moss has had Hamstring problems all season and a QB that can no longer get the ball downfield. Apples and Oranges.

 

[TheFanatic]

Walker is an elite WR and among the top 5-7 guys for his position in real NFL and fantasy with or without Favre.

Take off your pimp glasses. You sound ridiculous. 5-7 WRs better than Walker....

Chad Johnson

Torry Holt

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Steve Smith

Larry Fitzgerald

Anquan Boldin

Debatable.

Not even. Not even debateable.



Walker has had a season and a half of good football, and other than that there isn't isn't much worth noting and people are talking as if he is a Top 5 WR in the NFL....thats almost laughable. If you think Walker is better than Boldin or Fitzgerald, then you are truly out to lunch.

That list of 7 WRs doesn't even include WRs such as Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Roy Williams, Chris Chambers and those are the WRs I would associate Walker with.

Uh, so has Fitz. Steve Smith has had 2.5 good seasons. Same for Boldin.

Walker broke out his 3rd year which is pretty typical of stud WR's. Lost a season due to injury and then came back on fire. As a matter of fact, he seems to be following Steve Smith's career pretty closely. Steve Smith broke out his 3rd year, lost a season due to injury and absolutely lit it up his 5th year. Walker isn't on a 2005 Steve Smith pace this year, but he's definitely tearing it up.

Chad Johnson has about 3 good games all season. For the first part of the season he blew. Harrison is up there in age so for Dynasty purpuses I would rather have Walker. Not to mention that Wayne is a much more viable target for Manning than anyone Denver has. TO is a nut job and at risk of losing his job at any moment because of his mouth.

All of these guys you say are not debatable are absolutely debatable except for Holt.

I love guys that speak in absolutes. Usually means they are absolutely idiots....

I love guys that think Walker is a Top 5 WR in the NFL. People always ride the hot hand. Last year we were hearing how Chris Chambers was top 5 and a beast. I'll take consistently good WRs instead of hearing about how an on-fire WR is top 5 simply because of how his season is going.

Should Colston be considered a Top 5 WR in the NFL as well?

YEt you are quick to annoint Fitz as the real deal? He's got Boldin playing across from him. Who does Walker have playing across from him? And that line about Santana having an identical career to Walker's? You gotta stop using absolutes. Walker had a great year (top 3, not top 8, which is a significant difference) and then Walker wasn't average the next year, he blew out his knee. Santana had to deal with Turf Toe and an injured QB all year not a blown ACL. Moss switched teams and lit it up. Walker switched teams and recovered from a blown ACL and is lighting it up.

Take off the Blinders.

And since you think it's funny how I can claim Walker is top 5 I will rely on the only thing I can to show the player is top 5. In Fantasy Football (what we all play here) he's top 5 in just about every type of league except maybe pure TD leagues in which he would be right around 5 or a little higher.

What would you rather us use to gauge the guy's skill? You used the term top 5 which implies fantasy scoring and the guy is top 5 in fantasy scoring. Am I moving too fast for you skippy?

Now

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I couldn't care less what Walker is currently ranked fantasy wise, and thats my point. Coltson is currently top 5 in most leagues, so do you consider him Top 5 WR in the NFL as well. If you say "no", then it makes your argument moot, and if you say "yes", then it shows you are out to lunch.

Muhsin Muhammad finished in the Top 5 a couple year ago as well. A player's fantasy rank after 10 weeks of football is not exactly my gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise.

I love how you blow of Santana Moss' stats as if they are real different than Walker. Moss has finished in the top 10 twice in the last 3 years....howabout Walker? When you can call Walker top 5 because of his stats and then ignore Santana Moss shows me that you have a hard-on for Walker and it wouldn't matter what anyone says.

 

[thatguy]

Dude, just watch Javon play. He is ridiculously, ridiculously good. He has a unique skill set that few, if any, other WRs in football have. I'm not saying he's in the top 5 WRs in football. In fact, I think such lists are pointless to make and even more pointless to debate, but to say he is not worthy of consideration for such a list is just silly. You watch some players and you can tell, they just have the IT factor, they make plays that you KNOW few other people on this planet can make. Javon is one of those players.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Dude, just watch Javon play. He is ridiculously, ridiculously good. He has a unique skill set that few, if any, other WRs in football have. I'm not saying he's in the top 5 WRs in football. In fact, I think such lists are pointless to make and even more pointless to debate, but to say he is not worthy of consideration for such a list is just silly. You watch some players and you can tell, they just have the IT factor, they make plays that you KNOW few other people on this planet can make. Javon is one of those players.

This coming from someone who looks not only at stats but actually watches this guy play.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Should Colston be considered a Top 5 WR in the NFL as well?

-Colston has to keep up a similar pace and do it for more than one season to even be in the argument.(remember M. Clayton's rookie year and Andre Johnson's rookie year and what happened the following years).

How can you be so quick to judge Walker as elite, yet cast aside Colston saying that he hasn't done it long enough. Thats exactly my point. I will take WRs which have been elite for years, instead of a year and a half or half a year. Walker's career is basically IDENTICAL to that of Santana Moss and a WR which I would compare him with in terms of stature as a WR.In 2003, Santana Moss was the 8th ranked WR with 74 receptions, 1174 yds and 10TDs with New YorkIn 2004, Santana Moss was just average....In 2005, Santana Moss went to the REDSKINS and finished as the 3rd ranked WR with 84 receptions, 1483 yds and 9 TDs-Moss meets this imaginary test of switching teams and being elite right away. -Has more than a season of being great The ironic thing is that I don't hear how Santana Moss is being mentioned as an elite WR and a Top 5 WR. The reason being, is that he isn't doing as "hot" right now. He has done as much, or more than Walker yet isn't even mentioned at all, which is exactly my point. Explain to me why Javon Walker is top 5 consideration, but not Santana Moss??

S. Moss is arguably a top 10 guy, but having average seasons every second year hurts that argument of elite status. Walker is not alternating his good years with his average years; he is showing the proper progression of an elite talent as I illustrated before. If Walker was having an average year this year there is no way he could fit the "elite" status image, but he is proving that he is elite.Walker is also showing that even with mediocre QB play he is to good that he will produce great numbers; S. Moss not so much.

 

[TheFanatic]

I couldn't care less what Walker is currently ranked fantasy wise, and thats my point. Coltson is currently top 5 in most leagues, so do you consider him Top 5 WR in the NFL as well. If you say "no", then it makes your argument moot, and if you say "yes", then it shows you are out to lunch.

Last I checked we go own Fantasy Football teams, not NFL teams. So unless you are on a whole other level and actually own a real NFL team, we need to rely on Fantasy Stats.....

I love how you blow of Santana Moss' stats as if they are real different than Walker. Moss has finished in the top 10 twice in the last 3 years....howabout Walker? When you can call Walker top 5 because of his stats and then ignore Santana Moss shows me that you have a hard-on for Walker and it wouldn't matter what anyone says.

Walker has been top 5 over the last 3 years whenever he has been on the field. We can't say the same for Santana. Santana, is also suffering from the sceme a bit. Al Saunders is not much for going down field like the previous OC in Washington. He stresses the running game a lot more than his predecessor. So, we may need to see Santana on another team or with a different OC before we can compare these two again.Oh, and BTW, just for reference, I own Walker as well as Santana. One is better than the other.I'm guessing that you actually got spanked by this guy salmost single handedly and you think the game was a fluke and are now venting about this guy's supposed lack of skill in this thread. So, let us know, did you lose to the Walker owner on the week he went off for 30+?

 

[Big Score]

Santana, is also suffering from the sceme a bit. Al Saunders is not much for going down field like the previous OC in Washington. He stresses the running game a lot more than his predecessor.

FYI TheFanatic,The Bold part is not accurate at all.

To date, the Skins have the 22nd most rushing attempts in the NFL.

Last year the Skins had the 8th most rushing attempts in the NFL.

With only 7 games left, I don't see how the Skins will end up with enough rushing attempts to even equal the number of attempts they had last year, let alone surpass that number.

Excuse the , just wanted to make sure correct info was being relayed.

Oh!

Mini Moss couldn't sniff, let alone carry, Walker's jock.

 

[Bwanna]

Santana, is also suffering from the scene a bit. Al Saunders is not much for going down field like the previous OC in Washington. He stresses the running game a lot more than his predecessor. So, we may need to see Santana on another team or with a different OC before we can compare these two again.

I really don't think this is accurate considering Al's track record with Kansas City.Lack of consistent down-field personnel is the key factor here.

 

[-OZ-]

I couldn't care less what Walker is currently ranked fantasy wise, and thats my point. Coltson is currently top 5 in most leagues, so do you consider him Top 5 WR in the NFL as well. If you say "no", then it makes your argument moot, and if you say "yes", then it shows you are out to lunch. Muhsin Muhammad finished in the Top 5 a couple year ago as well. A player's fantasy rank after 10 weeks of football is not exactly my gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise.

Do you really not see a difference between Colston and Walker? Colston looks great this year, Walker has been great for two and a half years. The only time he didn't perform at a high level was his first year and a half in the NFL. Also, Brees >> Plummer. As for Moose, 3 very good years (one dominant) out of 11? Really, you want to make this comparison?What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

'm guessing that you actually got spanked by this guy salmost single handedly and you think the game was a fluke and are now venting about this guy's supposed lack of skill in this thread. So, let us know, did you lose to the Walker owner on the week he went off for 30+?

Quite the contrary...I actually played the Walker owner that week and WON.I don't have anything against Walker, I just don't put him in the same company as you do. Difference of opinion.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

I'll put them in tiers...based on stats, but moreso the skill I have seen from them.Steve SmithTorry HoltChad JohnsonMarvin HarrisonTerrell OwensBoldinL. FitzgeraldR. MossR. WayneC. ChambersA. JohnsonJ. WalkerR. WilliamsH. WardD. JacksonS. Moss

 

[TheFanatic]

What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

I'll put them in tiers...based on stats, but moreso the skill I have seen from them.Steve Smith

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Boldin

L. Fitzgerald

R. Moss

R. Wayne

C. Chambers

A. Johnson

J. Walker

R. Williams

H. Ward

D. Jackson

S. Moss

Not really sure how you can put Walker below Fitz. They both have the exact same amount of dominant seasons in the NFL (1.5), Fitz didn't come close to Walker's 3rd overall a couple of years ago, and Fitz has Boldin on the other side of him. Walker had Driver for 1 year but he's hardly Boldin and neither is Rod Smith. Seems highly hypocritical to put Fitz up there if not flat out wrong considering Boldin draws just as many double teams if not more than Fitz and Walker has to face the double on nearly every play.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

I'll put them in tiers...based on stats, but moreso the skill I have seen from them.Steve Smith

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Boldin

L. Fitzgerald

R. Moss

R. Wayne

C. Chambers

A. Johnson

J. Walker

R. Williams

H. Ward

D. Jackson

S. Moss

Not really sure how you can put Walker below Fitz. They both have the exact same amount of dominant seasons in the NFL (1.5), Fitz didn't come close to Walker's 3rd overall a couple of years ago, and Fitz has Boldin on the other side of him. Walker had Driver for 1 year but he's hardly Boldin and neither is Rod Smith. Seems highly hypocritical to put Fitz up there if not flat out wrong considering Boldin draws just as many double teams if not more than Fitz and Walker has to face the double on nearly every play.

2004 Walker - 210 points - 2nd WR overall2005 Fitzgerald - 205 points - 2nd WR overall

Ya, Fitz didn't come close at all.

Fitzgerald had Josh McCown, Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart throwing to him...ya what a great trio of QBs. Those guys would not even be starting QBs for the Packers or Broncos.

 

[-OZ-]

What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

I'll put them in tiers...based on stats, but moreso the skill I have seen from them.Steve Smith

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Boldin

L. Fitzgerald

R. Moss

R. Wayne

C. Chambers

A. Johnson

J. Walker

R. Williams

H. Ward

D. Jackson

S. Moss

Not really sure how you can put Walker below Fitz. They both have the exact same amount of dominant seasons in the NFL (1.5), Fitz didn't come close to Walker's 3rd overall a couple of years ago, and Fitz has Boldin on the other side of him. Walker had Driver for 1 year but he's hardly Boldin and neither is Rod Smith. Seems highly hypocritical to put Fitz up there if not flat out wrong considering Boldin draws just as many double teams if not more than Fitz and Walker has to face the double on nearly every play.

2004 Walker - 210 points - 2nd WR overall2005 Fitzgerald - 205 points - 2nd WR overall

Ya, Fitz didn't come close at all.

Fitzgerald had Josh McCown, Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart throwing to him...ya what a great trio of QBs. Those guys would not even be starting QBs for the Packers or Broncos.

Plummer shouldn't be either, but the rest is accurate. FWIW, in my main league, Fitz scored more in 2005 than Walker did in 2004. They're about equal talents IMO.

 

[TheFanatic]

What is "exactly your gauge of if they belong in the top 5 WR skill wise"? Please tell us, after you provide your standards, why Walker doesn't fall in the top 5. Honestly though, top 5 is very subjective, and there isn't a huge difference between top 5 and top 10ish, so just tell us exactly where you rank him.

I'll put them in tiers...based on stats, but moreso the skill I have seen from them.Steve Smith

Torry Holt

Chad Johnson

Marvin Harrison

Terrell Owens

Boldin

L. Fitzgerald

R. Moss

R. Wayne

C. Chambers

A. Johnson

J. Walker

R. Williams

H. Ward

D. Jackson

S. Moss

Not really sure how you can put Walker below Fitz. They both have the exact same amount of dominant seasons in the NFL (1.5), Fitz didn't come close to Walker's 3rd overall a couple of years ago, and Fitz has Boldin on the other side of him. Walker had Driver for 1 year but he's hardly Boldin and neither is Rod Smith. Seems highly hypocritical to put Fitz up there if not flat out wrong considering Boldin draws just as many double teams if not more than Fitz and Walker has to face the double on nearly every play.

2004 Walker - 210 points - 2nd WR overall2005 Fitzgerald - 205 points - 2nd WR overall

Ya, Fitz didn't come close at all.

Fitzgerald had Josh McCown, Kurt Warner and Matt Leinart throwing to him...ya what a great trio of QBs. Those guys would not even be starting QBs for the Packers or Broncos.

My bad. I didn't realize Fitz finished that high. Then again, it's not that hard to get open with Boldin on the other side....

 

[TheFanatic]

Santana, is also suffering from the sceme a bit. Al Saunders is not much for going down field like the previous OC in Washington. He stresses the running game a lot more than his predecessor.

FYI TheFanatic,The Bold part is not accurate at all.

To date, the Skins have the 22nd most rushing attempts in the NFL.

Last year the Skins had the 8th most rushing attempts in the NFL.

With only 7 games left, I don't see how the Skins will end up with enough rushing attempts to even equal the number of attempts they had last year, let alone surpass that number.

Excuse the , just wanted to make sure correct info was being relayed.

Oh!

Mini Moss couldn't sniff, let alone carry, Walker's jock.

You are right. I assumed that the reason they weren't going deep was because of a heavier emphasis on the run. Still doesn't alter the fact that they just aren't going down field with the ball and thus Santana's numbers have suffered this year.

 

[videoguy505]

Any idea how the impact of benching Plummer will affect Walker?

Two likely scenarios:

1) Cutler is asked to manage games with short passes and hand off to the running back, limiting Walker's play-making ability and ending his deep routes. While he can go off for a great run here and there after a short pass, without the deep routes he loses a lot of value.

or

2) The rookie QB latches onto him as his #1 target every time he's hurried, throwing up jump ball after jump ball Walker's way. While some will end up INTs, Javon's targets skyrocket and he breaks off some ridiculously long plays here and there. All something we've seen in the past, a QB with vision for only one WR. The Volek/Bennett combo from a few years ago made many fantasy championships.

Or, of course, there could be only minimal difference between Cutler and Plummer.