Jay Cutler wont vaccinate kids because of autism (1 Viewer)

[Politician Spock]

Seriously, do you read the papers that have so-called "evidence". Also, you should always be suspicious when the "evidence" cited is all "research" from the same site/organization.

U.S. Congress passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and has awarded over $2 billion dollars in compensation for deaths and injuries caused by vaccines

28 years. Do the math.

The math says our government recognizes the problem.. = It is a problem...For the guys who pretend there are no dangers in vaccinations..

Just who would those guys be?

There are a few in this thread..

Again, seriously?! I'm going to head downstairs in a few minutes to grab a late-night snack. Two flights of stairs, one of them not lit. There's a chance, albeit a tiny one, that I'll lose my balance and wind up breaking a bone or two...or worse. So maybe the only responsible thing to do would be to just stay upstairs...permanently. To avoid the risk. Of course, I'd eventually starve to death, need to use a bathroom, etc. But hey! At least I'd be safe from falling down the stairs.

It's not that people don't recognize the small dangers/risks associated with vaccinations. It's that most of our society looks at this issue and thinks:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated >>> Risks of kids being vaccinated

I don't know how it could be explained any more clearly than that. If you disagree...you believe that the risks of kids being vaccinated is greater than them not being vaccinated, back it up with some quants. Saying that over $2 billion has been paid out to families due to injuries or deaths associated with vaccinations is half the quants you need:

Risks of kids NOT being vaccinated = ________ ??? Risks of kids being vaccinated $2+ billion

...yet you've decided that $2+ billion is > ________. Might be. I doubt it, and would bet just about every penny I could get my hands on that you're wrong. But I'm open to being convinced.

I did not say 2+billion = the sum total of all risks attributed to all vacinationsI said the 2+billion = proof that there is a problem

Here, maybe you should go back to these posts:

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933856

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933864

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16933884

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=707958&p=16934162

If we could prove how many lives were adversely effected by vaccination, vs. non-vaccination, this would be an easy discussion. There are too many variables.

My frustration in this topic, and in many topics/threads here, is with a few posters that label anyone who doesn't 100% subscribe to their brand as a wacko.. There is an apposing argument, and there are reasons for legitimate concern. As I've said, all 3 of my children are fully vaccinated. I'm not arguing against vaccination as much as I'm arguing against the idea that someone who is rightfully concerned is an "idiot" or a "wacko" etc. Most with that perspective are the least informed.

Fair enough. My own particular frustration related to this topic are people screaming "the sky is falling" and actually defending people who willfully elect to put their children, other people's children, and other individuals around their community/country/planet at greater risk...citing hearsay, opinion, and rumor as truth.An average of 390 children in the United States die in swimming pools each year. Compared to how many deaths each year in children given vaccinations? Yet how come folks like Jenny McCarthy or various religious folks aren't on TV and in the newspaper, begging parents to consider the risks before letting their children get into that pool? Where's the talk of how swimming pools were never part of God's plan for his creation (how they are unnatural...and the deaths are a "punishment" for not obeying God's rules/teachings)?

See my point? You have a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying in a bathtub. The odds of dying from a vaccination are significantly less than this. Yet bathtubs are allowed to run rampant in millions upon millions of homes in this country! Why, I've even got one in my own home...and my daughters both bathe AND shower in it. Thank God Child Protective Services doesn't know I have a bathtub though...or they'd probably take my kids away.

Vaccinations come with risk. But so does food, water, air, walking down the street, riding a bike, walking down the stairs, turning on the stove, going for a swim, being out in the sun, ____________. Many of which carry a greater risk to injury/death than being vaccinated. Yet the people with the agendas and/or who are misinformed...haven't done their homework, are the people/government NOT singling out vaccinations as a grave threat to the health of our nation's children?!

We live in a country where people support a government spending billions, and violating their right to privacy, to protect them from the risk of being killed in a terrorist act, the odds of which are a fraction of all the risks you stated combined.

Irrational fear is a powerful thing.

 

[Christo]

Court ruling: parents don't have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to schoolIn New York City, parents do not have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to school if another student has a vaccine-preventable illness.

That's according to a Brooklyn Federal District Court judge, who ruled earlier this month that a parent's constitutional right to freely exercise their religion does not always make their children exempt from vaccination requirements.

New York City schools require all students to get a series of basic vaccinations in order to attend classes. But in New York State — along with several other states — laws say that parents can opt out of these requirements for religious reasons.

When three families in New York City recently tried to do so, their children were barred from attending school, leading them to file suit against the city. Citing a 1905 Supreme Court case — in which the court ruled that Massachusetts was permitted to fine a man $5 for refusing a smallpox vaccine — Judge William ####z ruled that the court had "strongly suggested that religious objectors are not constitutionally exempt from vaccinations."

Of course, the plaintiffs plan to appeal the ruling, and this is just one of several similar suits filed across the country in recent years. Given that 48 states allow religious exemptions for vaccine requirements, the ruling will certainly be tested at higher levels before it becomes a real policy.

All this comes as increasing numbers of parents around the country are refusing vaccines, leading tooutbreaks of a number of diseases that could have easily been prevented. Earlier this spring, during a measles outbreak in New York, the unvaccinated sibling of a home-schooled child who'd been infected was barred from attending public school. That sibling ultimately contracted the disease, and keeping him home prevented it from spreading further.

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5837968/court-ruling-parents-dont-have-the-right-to-send-their-unvaccinated?

 

[Christo]

Language filter axed K u n t z

 

[rockaction]

Court ruling: parents don't have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to schoolIn New York City, parents do not have the right to send their unvaccinated kids to school if another student has a vaccine-preventable illness.

That's according to a Brooklyn Federal District Court judge, who ruled earlier this month that a parent's constitutional right to freely exercise their religion does not always make their children exempt from vaccination requirements.

New York City schools require all students to get a series of basic vaccinations in order to attend classes. But in New York State — along with several other states — laws say that parents can opt out of these requirements for religious reasons.

When three families in New York City recently tried to do so, their children were barred from attending school, leading them to file suit against the city. Citing a 1905 Supreme Court case — in which the court ruled that Massachusetts was permitted to fine a man $5 for refusing a smallpox vaccine — Judge William ####z ruled that the court had "strongly suggested that religious objectors are not constitutionally exempt from vaccinations."

Of course, the plaintiffs plan to appeal the ruling, and this is just one of several similar suits filed across the country in recent years. Given that 48 states allow religious exemptions for vaccine requirements, the ruling will certainly be tested at higher levels before it becomes a real policy.

All this comes as increasing numbers of parents around the country are refusing vaccines, leading tooutbreaks of a number of diseases that could have easily been prevented. Earlier this spring, during a measles outbreak in New York, the unvaccinated sibling of a home-schooled child who'd been infected was barred from attending public school. That sibling ultimately contracted the disease, and keeping him home prevented it from spreading further.

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/24/5837968/court-ruling-parents-dont-have-the-right-to-send-their-unvaccinated?

Somehow my facebook feed had an Ezra Klein article praising the decision, which got me a little sick (I'm sure I'll build up antibodies). I'm surprised this is still being fought in the courts. I thought it was largely settled, though the religious exception is a powerful one -- ahem -- I guess. Not quite a full stop, or something like that.