Obviously it's way too early in his career to crown him but I think he's the most talented QB they've ever had. I never liked John Elway, he was a below average QB for most of his career until Shanahan arrived. He never had any truely great individual seasons and the records he holds are because of his longevity in the league. Anyways, I don't want to turn this into a John Elway bashing thread so I won't (and it wouldn't work anyway thanks to his career's story book ending). So Bronco Homers, what do you think the chances are that by the time he's done playing he'll be considered the greatest Bronco quarterback? Guy is an superfly tnt. If it wasn't for diabetes last year I think he'd have been a pro-bowler. He's so much better than Young and Leinart it's crazy and Leinart has Boldin and Fitzgerald.
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FantasyTrader
Footballguy
This guy is oozing talent, but talk about getting ahead of ourselves. We can maybe have a realistic discussion about this in 2013.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Potentially, sure.
Potentially, Eddie Royal could be the greatest Bronco WR ever. Or Brandon Marshall - which is more likely of course.
Potentially, Tony Scheffler could be the greatest Bronco TE ever.
Potentially, Matt Prater could be the greatest Kicker ever.
Potentially, DeSean Jackson could be the greatest WR ever.
Potentially, Chris Johnson could be the greatest RB ever.
Potentially, Eric Mangini could be the greatest head coach ever.
Potentially, the Lions could win a game.
Potentially, Eddie Royal could be the greatest Bronco WR ever. Or Brandon Marshall - which is more likely of course.
Potentially, Tony Scheffler could be the greatest Bronco TE ever.
Potentially, Matt Prater could be the greatest Kicker ever.
Potentially, DeSean Jackson could be the greatest WR ever.
Potentially, Chris Johnson could be the greatest RB ever.
Potentially, Eric Mangini could be the greatest head coach ever.
Potentially, the Lions could win a game.
1970's Oakland Raiders Secondary
Footballguy
That's pretty much the end of this thread.FantasyTrader
Footballguy
I was with you to here. Now you're just talking out of your ***.
Clifton
Footballguy
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I have always thought Elways was one of the top 3 qb's to ever play
kremenull
Footballguy
Cutler is a fine QB, and appears to be a fantasy jewel, but will he ever be considered on Elway's level as a player? Doubtful. Let's be sure to separate the fantasy from the reality here as I've seen more than enough of Elway to already make this call. Elway is arguably Top 4-5 ALL-TIME as an NFL QB, better than Brett Favre, Steve Young, Aikman, and yes, even better than Peyton Manning, IMO. This guy almost single-handedly carried a number of Bronco teams to championship games that I would say really weren't all that talented, at least not on offense.Not to take anything away from what Cutler is doing, but this is a wide-open era for passers in today's game, and Elway would've shined in any era. The differentiating factor to me would be Elway's leadership and clutch play-making ability......Cutler has a long way to go in these depts. and I think he has a bit too much Brett Favre in his game (that int on the goal-line vs. S.D. was a horrible decision, one that I see Cutler making over-and-over ala Favre 'cause they both have a little too much faith in their arms and not enough discipline, at least not yet.....and Favre never got it).
by_the_sea_wannabe
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Tubalcane
Footballguy
Are you out of your freaking mind? Below average QB…you’ve got to be kidding me. John Elway changed the way the position was played. He excelled in the single greatest statistical category; winning. He may have been the greatest leader to ever grace the gridiron.
You have committed football blasphemy.
Elway didn’t have a great offensive coach like Walsh. And he wasn’t the beneficiary of having played in the West Coast offense for most of his career. He didn’t have Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, Chris Carter, or any other of those big names to throw to. Elway played most of his career in a ball control, grind it out, control the clock offense in an era where points were at a premium, and last minute fourth quarter magical comebacks were a rare occasion indeed. Elway was magic on the field. Elway has more come from behind victories than any other QB to have ever played the game. When the job had to be done, and you only had about two minutes to do it…Elway was theeeeeee man to have in the huddle.
I’m so sorry that his stat line doesn’t look fantasy football friendly to you. But that is the reality of the era in which he played. For you to call John Elway a below average QB at best MEANS YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!
Cutler right now couldn't even hold Elways jock strap.
You have committed football blasphemy.
Elway didn’t have a great offensive coach like Walsh. And he wasn’t the beneficiary of having played in the West Coast offense for most of his career. He didn’t have Jerry Rice, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Michael Irvin, Chris Carter, or any other of those big names to throw to. Elway played most of his career in a ball control, grind it out, control the clock offense in an era where points were at a premium, and last minute fourth quarter magical comebacks were a rare occasion indeed. Elway was magic on the field. Elway has more come from behind victories than any other QB to have ever played the game. When the job had to be done, and you only had about two minutes to do it…Elway was theeeeeee man to have in the huddle.
I’m so sorry that his stat line doesn’t look fantasy football friendly to you. But that is the reality of the era in which he played. For you to call John Elway a below average QB at best MEANS YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT!
Cutler right now couldn't even hold Elways jock strap.
buck naked
Footballguy
Now you both have taken extreme positions.Elway far exceeds Cutler, but Cutler is going to be outstanding. He is starting to show it. Elway was not outstanding when he first started, either.
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Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Was Joe Dudek the best scab to ever play for the Broncos?
BigRed
Footballguy
uhhh.....word up yo, he be buttah
faulkfan
Footballguy
I would say the best NFL QB ever. I mean he put together two good games in a row. Name me one other QB who ever did that...
thehornet
Footballguy
thehornet
Footballguy
Dont do anymore drugs.
3C's
Footballguy
See, there was this guy named Marino. And you know how the rest of the story goes.
Road Warriors
Footballguy
Dude, I was with you 'til here.Potentially, sure.
Potentially, Eddie Royal could be the greatest Bronco WR ever. Or Brandon Marshall - which is more likely of course.
Potentially, Tony Scheffler could be the greatest Bronco TE ever.
Potentially, Matt Prater could be the greatest Kicker ever.
Potentially, DeSean Jackson could be the greatest WR ever.
Potentially, Chris Johnson could be the greatest RB ever.
Potentially, Eric Mangini could be the greatest head coach ever.
Potentially, the Lions could win a game.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Get off Iron Man. He's suffered enough. Like you haven't made any mistakes in your life.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Gun, hi.
You've been jumped.
You've been jumped.
Sinrman
Footballguy
Not one that could have cost people millions of dollars....Get off Iron Man. He's suffered enough. Like you haven't made any mistakes in your life.
Manster
Footballguy
we have a winnah!!!This Threadumbest Bronco Thread Ever?yes
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JGalligan
Footballguy
holmesness
Footballguy
Wow how noble of you. Please remind me what has Shanahan done with the parade of below average QBs since Elway retired?
moleculo
Footballguy
possibly the best scab QB of all time.
replacements
Footballguy
I really hate to defend Elway ,but this thread is years early. All I'll say is regardless of where you think Elways talent level was. I hink he was very talented. He played football with as much heart,determination, and a won't quite, won't lose attitude as any football player I have seen. As a browns fan I hated the guy and the broncos. But to deny just how great a football player, not just qb,but a truly great football player he was, is an insult.
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Look at everyone getting crazy over a guy who's posted once in his fishing thread.
Sheesh
Sheesh
Diamond One
Footballguy
I agree. Actually, he needs to win two of 'em...
I like Cutler & his potential, but it's a way too early in his career to slap the "greatest ever" tag on him.
Beerguzzler
Footballguy
To the OP, did you ever see Elway actually play? Cutler can't hold his jock. He's had 1 good game against oakland and actually gave away the 2nd vs San Diego only to be rescued by the refs. 2 games does not a hall of famer make.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Everyone seems to be anointing Cutler as the next Messiah.
Dude is horrrrible against KC, one of the worst teams on the planet.
Let's slow it down gentlemen.
Dude is horrrrible against KC, one of the worst teams on the planet.
Let's slow it down gentlemen.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
Are you seriously comparing a QB that has had a few good games to the hall of fame QB?
answer- No
answer- No
Not to mention Elway carried at least 3 teams to the SB, probably 4. No one did more with less then John Elway. Cutler is a nice young QB. When he gets to 5 SBs come bump this thread.
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