Jay Cutler (1 Viewer)

[pk2448]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

 

[Bad Mojo]

Ha you got me

 

[ImTheScientist]

Cutler will get more opportunities than other QBs. Yes, top 10.

 

[brett5673]

As dumb or irrelevant as this may seem, he is now dating some bimbo from Laguna Beach show, which can not be a plus. Bump him down to QB 11 now

 

[GroveDiesel]

No chance is he a top 10 QB, IMO.

I'm not sold on him at all. Everyone seems so excited about the Chicago WRs and I just don't see it. I think they have several #2s and #3s. Their O-line is terrible. And I think Martz's system is going to get Cutler killed.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I'm sure jeff george had his fans.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

These would have been even better questions last year when he was rated 5th or 6th!

Cutler will fall in many drafts. I took him at QB12 recently (and I had him last year, so perhaps I just never learn) and when you get into that range I can't see many guys after him putting up more 300 yard games and TDs.

Probably wouldn't go for him at his ADP though. 90% of lists can't resist keeping him in the top 10.

 

[gigantor]

No chance is he a top 10 QB, IMO.I'm not sold on him at all. Everyone seems so excited about the Chicago WRs and I just don't see it. I think they have several #2s and #3s. Their O-line is terrible. And I think Martz's system is going to get Cutler killed.

not sure why everyone brings up Cutler getting killed, yet Rodgers seemed to survive last year just fine? And he is also the #1 or #2 rated QB this year.Yes I know GB has better WR's and Rodgers is better etc etc. but I don't get why people seem to think Cutler will get killed but Rodgers will be just fine

 

[Kuz]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. MooreWith my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Cutler threw the 5th most passes in the NFL last season. Do we really expect that to increase? I don't, similar number are likely.

As for the Rodgers comparison. Rodgers has better pocket awareness and the ability to escape and run to avoid big hits. Cutler does not possess this quality. He's a sitting duck.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Yes I know GB has better WR's and Rodgers is better etc etc. but I don't get why people seem to think Cutler will get killed but Rodgers will be just fine

Rodgers was putting up #1 numbers even when he was getting killed though. And - for now - it appears he is taking fewer hits. Preseason is preseason, but he didn't get sacked that I recall vs. Cutler's 9 or whatever.

 

[Manster]

No chance is he a top 10 QB, IMO.I'm not sold on him at all. Everyone seems so excited about the Chicago WRs and I just don't see it. I think they have several #2s and #3s. Their O-line is terrible. And I think Martz's system is going to get Cutler killed.

not sure why everyone brings up Cutler getting killed, yet Rodgers seemed to survive last year just fine? And he is also the #1 or #2 rated QB this year.Yes I know GB has better WR's and Rodgers is better etc etc. but I don't get why people seem to think Cutler will get killed but Rodgers will be just fine

i'll start by saying i was pretty high on Cutler before last year happened.Rodgers and Cutler take a lot of hits. both have a high risk of getting hurt, imo.the BIG difference between the two is Cutler makes way too many HORRIBLE decisions. and he just doesnt seem to learn from them. the sad thing is the dude has all the talent in the world. he just doesnt seem to have it upstairs, imo.

 

[netnalp]

I took Ryan over Culter and Kolb

 

[Avery]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

 

[Kuz]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

Kitna in Detroit was much better than most expected the year he played under Martz.

 

[Avery]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

Kitna in Detroit was much better than most expected the year he played under Martz.

Yup. I'm not sure that proves the inherent genius of Martz system, only that Kitna was not a terrible QB.

 

[netnalp]

Warner and Green played well under Martz too, but alot of credit has to go to Orlando Pace.

It's not like Kitna was terrible, he had been playing well in Cincy.

 

[cobalt_27]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

Please name the spot where Martz has been where (a) the passing game was better the year prior to his arrival and (b) the passing game was better the year after he left.I'll hang up and listen.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

As for the Rodgers comparison. Rodgers has better pocket awareness and the ability to escape and run to avoid big hits. Cutler does not possess this quality. He's a sitting duck.

This whole "sitting duck" thing is theorycraft, and bad logic. More QBs get hurt on plays where they scrambled than plays where they stood in the pocket, even though there are umpteen million times more plays where the QB stays in the pocket than there are when he scrambles. Being a "sitting duck" in the pocket is the safest place for a quarterback to be.As per the original question. Cutler is a guy who has a history of top 3 production and now has an offensive coordinator who has a history of creating top 3 production. He had tons of turnovers last year, but he set a career high in TD passes despite having 60 fewer attempts than the year before. The receivers aren't a top group, but people on this board are expecting big things out of Knox.His career losing record is completely irrelevant, since it's not like he's going to get benched and you don't get points for winning football games in fantasy. Besides, his career record is actually really damned good given the defenses he's had. Look at the other QBs of teams who's defenses were in that range. Hint: They all have much worse records.

 

[Avery]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

Please name the spot where Martz has been where (a) the passing game was better the year prior to his arrival and (b) the passing game was better the year after he left.I'll hang up and listen.

I'm not running a radio show here, just engaging in discussion.Outside of St. Louis, he's made stops in Washington, Detroit and San Fran. I think any of us could have improved their passing numbers.

The point of me questioning the supposed genius of the Martz system is many are still equating it with the vast success the greatest show on turf was rather that a pedestrian improvement and thus looking to grab a piece of the juggernaut of an offense they think the Bears will be be it Knox, Hester, Cutler, or Aromashodu.

I'm not sure that Martz will bring that as I think his "system" to be a huge success might require Pro Bowl level QBs, RBs, WRs, and even a LT.

 

[Kuz]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

Please name the spot where Martz has been where (a) the passing game was better the year prior to his arrival and (b) the passing game was better the year after he left.I'll hang up and listen.

I'm not going to bother to look that up. All I know is if the Bears offensive line can protect Cutler, I don't know how he can't produce in a Mike Martz pass 1st offense..

 

[DoubleG]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.

He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.

The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!

Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. Moore

With my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)

Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

I think the Chicago Homers may need to chime in. But I think if somehow Cutler will get protected by the O-Line then he will be very good. Qb's in Martz's system usually have great success. The thing that scares me is he may get killed a ton if they don't block. But I know Chester Taylor is a very good RB at pass protection. Not 100% sure on Forte. I would venture to guess though that Cutler has a better chance at landing in the top 10 this year than outside it.

I'm not so sure about this.In how many locations is Martz' and his "system" going to fail before we start to think it was Bulger, Faulk, Holt and Bruce that were the straws that stirred the drink. Not Martz.

There have been numerous statistically based articles on the effect of Martz's system on a passing game - specifically, the QB. Here is a link to just one good one. Shaun Hill even did better under Martz than without. In summary the boost to a QB is about 4 fpts per game. Now, if you do that with Cutler, that would easily put him in the top 10.

And for the poster who said something about Cutler being a sitting duck, have you ever actually watched Cutler? Cutler is extremely mobile, avoids the rush well and actually was the reason Martz has implemented designed roll-outs - because Cutler can and will throw on the move better than many of Martz's previous QBs. Warner was a sitting duck under Martz, Cutler is not. Martz is also on record stating that he has never coached a QB with the physical tools Cutler has (referring to his combination of strength, mobility and arm strength).

 

[netnalp]

Kitna got 4,000 yards both years with Martz. So Culter should produce if he can stay healthy. I Like Ryan over him because I worry about the beating Martz QBs take.

 

[moleculo]

Cutler threw the 5th most passes in the NFL last season. Do we really expect that to increase? I don't, similar number are likely.

As for the Rodgers comparison. Rodgers has better pocket awareness and the ability to escape and run to avoid big hits. Cutler does not possess this quality. He's a sitting duck.

cutler is a very mobile QB, has good pocket presence, and throws very well on the run. I'm pretty sure the above is dead wrong.

 

[moleculo]

As for the Rodgers comparison. Rodgers has better pocket awareness and the ability to escape and run to avoid big hits. Cutler does not possess this quality. He's a sitting duck.

This whole "sitting duck" thing is theorycraft, and bad logic. More QBs get hurt on plays where they scrambled than plays where they stood in the pocket, even though there are umpteen million times more plays where the QB stays in the pocket than there are when he scrambles. Being a "sitting duck" in the pocket is the safest place for a quarterback to be.As per the original question. Cutler is a guy who has a history of top 3 production and now has an offensive coordinator who has a history of creating top 3 production. He had tons of turnovers last year, but he set a career high in TD passes despite having 60 fewer attempts than the year before. The receivers aren't a top group, but people on this board are expecting big things out of Knox.His career losing record is completely irrelevant, since it's not like he's going to get benched and you don't get points for winning football games in fantasy. Besides, his career record is actually really damned good given the defenses he's had. Look at the other QBs of teams who's defenses were in that range. Hint: They all have much worse records.

cutlers top three production was a direct result of a very lopsided run/pass ratio, created by 8 RB's being hurt. He led the league in 2008 in pass attempts, 3rd in completions and yards. His gaudy numbers were more a function of opportunity than ability. Not that he doesn't have ability - he certainly does, but he also has the ability to make bad d3ecisions, which can lead the league in ints.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

No one seems to know exactly what the "Martz bump" will quantitatively be here.

Cutler was already at 3700/27. Darn good. What is Martz going to add, 400 yards? Maybe a couple TDs?

The problem last year with Cutler as a fantasy starter is that he had EIGHT friggin' games with 1 or zero TDs. And he sprinkled that fecal sundae with 19 picks in those eight games.

Is Martz going to fix that?

(Kinda second guessing myself on drafting him again now. Um, Stafford still available?)

 

[DoubleG]

No one seems to know exactly what the "Martz bump" will quantitatively be here.

Cutler was already at 3700/27. Darn good. What is Martz going to add, 400 yards? Maybe a couple TDs?

The problem last year with Cutler as a fantasy starter is that he had EIGHT friggin' games with 1 or zero TDs. And he sprinkled that fecal sundae with 19 picks in those eight games.

Is Martz going to fix that?

(Kinda second guessing myself on drafting him again now. Um, Stafford still available?)

You didn't even read the article I posted in post 22 above, did you?

 

[nyg617]

i think he can be top 10 without a doubt...possibly even better if you play in a league that you loose on 1 pt for an int or no negative points for int's he is as good as gold with martz. im gonna say 4200 yds ,29 tds, 20 ints

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

No one seems to know exactly what the "Martz bump" will quantitatively be here.

Cutler was already at 3700/27. Darn good. What is Martz going to add, 400 yards? Maybe a couple TDs?

The problem last year with Cutler as a fantasy starter is that he had EIGHT friggin' games with 1 or zero TDs. And he sprinkled that fecal sundae with 19 picks in those eight games.

Is Martz going to fix that?

(Kinda second guessing myself on drafting him again now. Um, Stafford still available?)

You didn't even read the article I posted in post 22 above, did you?

No I didn't. It's interesting reading but I don't think Cutler will average +4 FP per game this year. That would put him at 350+.Do you think the stinky preseason is not indicative of what we'll see at least sometimes this year? Half (!) the time last year?

I think the chance for Top 10 #s is there or I wouldn't have drafted him, but I'm sure not counting on him as a weekly starter.

 

[The_Wolfman]

As a Bears fan I'm legitimately worried about Jay Cutler getting killed out there this year. The offensive line seems below average at every position, Martz's system will have him going back into 5 and 7 step drops and the receivers seem confused about where they're supposed to be on many passing plays. Cutler has been sacked something like 9 times this pre-season and he is already developing happy feet in the pocket. His two INTs in the last pre-season game were caused by his own poor throws.

I read somewhere that QBs in Martz's system have played 16 games only 4 times out of 10 seasons Martz was the HC or OC. Cutler is a tough guy, but this has the makings to be an really bad season in Chicago. Hopefully I'm wrong, but the team has looked lethargic and out of sync all pre-season. I'm not touching this guy in any fantasy drafts. I expect a lot of sacks and a lot of turnovers out of him.

 

[Catbird]

I think we should expect the pre-season of a completely new system to be its worst showing ever as they get used to it at game speed for the first time. And the first few real games probably won't be much better. But as the year grinds along, the system will gel - at least more and more as they get reaction down on instinct instead of playing by conscious thought.

People condemning Martz confuse the questions of winning and producing big numbers. The Martz system hasn't produced great success in wins (outside STL), which discredits him. But that doesn't equate to not putting up big numbers. Even if the wins aren't going up, the passing numbers are. Why doesn't that always mean more wins? One reason is that the extra passing makes offensive possessions take less time off the clock and gives both teams more chances to score. They might still lose, but the offensive (particularly passing) production goes up.

One vital feature of the systen is that it depends more on anticipating where a WR will be and throwing earlier to the spot than in any other system. This is harder to do, particularlyin the early stages of getting it down. Thus this pre-season. But when the QB and WRs get it down ... its an advantage. They pass and produce better.

I don't think the system will probably function at its peak this whole season, which might be too bad if the staff and Martz get canned at the end for a losing record. But if they have year 2, watch out. Cutler will likely be top 5 and produce at that level thereafter for as long as they use it. And I would expect that, as with Warner, Cutler will forever be a better passer even after Martz moves on than he was before, because of the earlier anticipation he will have learned to rely on within this system.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I mean I would take Cutler's #s from last year again this year as QB10+ no problem (with, dog willing, fewer turnovers) but he just has no blasted consistency in his scoring, and I don't see Martz adding that.

He only had 19 TDs going into Week 16 last year. Bustola. If you could and did start him in your playoffs to win my hat is off to you.

 

[Ghost Rider]

I am avoiding pretty much the entire Bears offense in all drafts this year. I was very high on Cutler when he was in Denver, and even when he first went to Chicago, but he regressed a lot last year, and I have a feeling that regression is gonna continue in a Mike Martz offense. He might put up big yardage numbers, but as an NFL QB, I question if he will make any progress. He is gonna get the crap knocked out of him. At this point, I am not sure he will ever reach the potential he showed for most of the 2008 season.

 

[cvnpoka]

Warner and Green played well under Martz too, but alot of credit has to go to Orlando Pace.It's not like Kitna was terrible, he had been playing well in Cincy.

kitna did not play well in cincy. his td/int comparison was 12/22, 16/16, 26/15. so he had one single yr on cutlers level.

 

[cvnpoka]

There have been numerous statistically based articles on the effect of Martz's system on a passing game - specifically, the QB. Here is a link to just one good one. Shaun Hill even did better under Martz than without.

In summary the boost to a QB is about 4 fpts per game. Now, if you do that with Cutler, that would easily put him in the top 10.

And for the poster who said something about Cutler being a sitting duck, have you ever actually watched Cutler? Cutler is extremely mobile, avoids the rush well and actually was the reason Martz has implemented designed roll-outs - because Cutler can and will throw on the move better than many of Martz's previous QBs. Warner was a sitting duck under Martz, Cutler is not. Martz is also on record stating that he has never coached a QB with the physical tools Cutler has (referring to his combination of strength, mobility and arm strength).

pretty awesome post imo. cutler is indeed very mobile. not quite on rodgers level, but proly 2nd (or 3rd to romo) itl. shanny loved the cutlahhh rollout. also, from a fantasy perspective, cutler will get about 200 rushing yards and that is huge in comparison to statues like rivers, schaub, palmer, and favre.

and further, i just want to lol at the guy who denigrated his pocket presence. compare his denver sack rate with ortons pls.

 

[cvnpoka]

I am avoiding pretty much the entire Bears offense in all drafts this year. I was very high on Cutler when he was in Denver, and even when he first went to Chicago, but he regressed a lot last year, and I have a feeling that regression is gonna continue in a Mike Martz offense. He might put up big yardage numbers, but as an NFL QB, I question if he will make any progress. He is gonna get the crap knocked out of him. At this point, I am not sure he will ever reach the potential he showed for most of the 2008 season.

i am grabbing bears in pretty much every draft. the only yr martz wr/qb did not produce fantasywise was with the niners and i suspect that was due to singletary's meddling and lack of talent (osullivan and shaun hill to morgan, washed up bruce etc rly?) tbc, its no sure thing but i am very willing to gamble on a 1/3 shot of 90+ catches.compare to the laughingstock lions: cutler is tons better than kitna, and they have 3 legit wr. its arguable that prime roy is the best of the lot, but its not really aguable that knox, arom, hester>>>furrey, mcdonald etc. and they ahve a talented te who will get like 60 targets. ppl write off vernons contributions with martz but he was targettd 49 times and had 31 catches. that is not enough to make him fantasy relevant but its def enough to help the offense, and that should be factored into cutlers projection.

 

[netnalp]

It will be interesting to see how the Martz system does when the snow comes. After their bye week, 6 of the next 9 games are in the cold at open stadiums. With Detroit and St. Louis, Martz had domes. The season with the 49ers his QBs combined put up 3,724 yds 21/19 td/int, their only cold weather game was Buffalo in November, 31 degrees, so there probably wasn't snow.

Looking at the numbers of Martz QBs, it looks like Cutler should get around 4,000 yds, most Martz QBs get near that.

For TDs/INTs:

Warner 42/15

Warner/Green 37/23

Warner 36/22

Warner/Bulger/Martin 24/27

Bulger/Warner 23/23

Bulger/Chandler 23/22

Bulger/Martin/Fitzpatrick 23/24

Kitna 21/22

Kitna/O'Sullivan 19/22

Hill/O'Sullivan 21/19

Scary part is only 4 out of 10 seasons, (the 49ers may have been due to benching not injury) has a Martz QB played all 16 games, even though I don't have #s for how well QBs last in other systems, the Martz system seems to have a high rate of injury.

Only Warner (and Warner/Green) had great TD seasons. And for all the other QBs Ints were about equal to TDs.

Cutler isn't as good as Warner, and he's either better or equal to Bulger. Based on the above, it seems most likely Bears QBs will pass for about 4,000 yds, 26/26 tds/ints (estimate based on Culter being a little better than Bulger, but possibly more games in snow).

And the Bears are likely to use 2 QBs during the season to get those numbers.

Too risky for me, I'm glad I passed on him.

Bears WRs and RBs should do great. Olsen, who knows if Martz will actually use him.

 

[AngryPatriot]

He has the tool set to be a top QB but "it" is missing there. He reminds me of Leinert in the body language, leadership sense, not very inspiring and seems to lose it pretty quick. Over 25 ints? Thats just bad although his receivers weren't very good. I wouldn't want to go into the year with Cutler #1 but he could surprise. Important year for the guy and the Bears wr's.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Cutler threw the 5th most passes in the NFL last season. Do we really expect that to increase? I don't, similar number are likely.

As for the Rodgers comparison. Rodgers has better pocket awareness and the ability to escape and run to avoid big hits. Cutler does not possess this quality. He's a sitting duck.

.... you should watch more games. Cutler is very good at roll outs and running when needed. He just picked up a first down on 3rd and long in the 3rd pre season game.

 

[redBourne]

There have been numerous statistically based articles on the effect of Martz's system on a passing game - specifically, the QB. Here is a link to just one good one. Shaun Hill even did better under Martz than without.

In summary the boost to a QB is about 4 fpts per game. Now, if you do that with Cutler, that would easily put him in the top 10.

And for the poster who said something about Cutler being a sitting duck, have you ever actually watched Cutler? Cutler is extremely mobile, avoids the rush well and actually was the reason Martz has implemented designed roll-outs - because Cutler can and will throw on the move better than many of Martz's previous QBs. Warner was a sitting duck under Martz, Cutler is not. Martz is also on record stating that he has never coached a QB with the physical tools Cutler has (referring to his combination of strength, mobility and arm strength).

You had me until the last line. Martz has always said player x is the most <insert awesome ability of choice> he's ever seen. He said that with Vernon and hardly used him. He's said that with Olson and it's laughable. He can say that with Cutler too and I don't put any value to it. He even said Alex Smith is "very impressive", then proceeded to name O'Sullivan the starting QB.

 

[Wu-banger]

A guy like Cutler , and where he has been getting drafted , could be the key to winning Championships this year , similar to Warner in Arizona a couple years ago , especially in leagues without interception deductions.

He is not going early enough in drafts were he is not going to break your draft if he flames out...high reward , little risk IMO.......

We know he has the physical talent and now he is going to get more oppurtunies than ever..

I benifited from Warner , Kitna and even Shaun Hill in the past ... very willing to take the chance on Cutler.

Other players in similar situations are Kolb and Stafford I think.

 

[cubd8]

Why is Jay rated as the #8 QB by the FBG experts and other projection sites. He has a 2nd year Left Tackle that has not been able to block an average Defensive end much less the the quality of ends he will face this season as the bears face the NFC and AFC east this year as well as the vikings, Packers and Lions 2X.He has an unproven set of WR's. A new system with Mike Martz and throws a ton of picks.. He sports a losing carrer record.The Bears look totally confused with the new Martz system but Martz praises Cutler for his arm and his intlligence as a QB!?!Yet, with that said; Based on the experts, I was offered and am considering a trade giving my 1st round 7th pick rookie draft to get him. My QBs are Gerrard, Campbell and M. MooreWith my pick i was looking to get Bradford or or TE A. Hernandez (Patriots)Is Cutler a real top 10 QB? I don't see it. Maybe being from Chicago fan I am just to negative on him.

If he stays healthy, he will probably throw for 4,000 yards in the Martz offense. Obviously, the INT's are a real concern. Even if the offense performs well, he's still probably going to toss at least 15-17 INT, and if things go bad, he'll probably be back into the 20's.As for the offensive line, it's a major concern - probably the biggest area of concern on the team. Chris Williams has been bad in the games, but I still am less worried about him than other postions on that line. That may not be saying much for Williams though.This is a timing offense - Cutler throws to a spot, and the WR's have to make good cuts to the ball. So far, they've had issues, and we could see this continue into the season.Ranking Cutler 8 does seem high to start the season.

 

[Desert_Power]

I think after the top 6 QBs, he has the highest upside. He has both the talent and opportunity to put up huge numbers, and he has done it before. Combine that with the addition of Martz and a second year with the players in Chicago. Sure there are reasons to think it won't all come together for him this year, but he has a lot of potential to outperform his ADP. Particularly if your league doesn't take off for interceptions.

 

[gethugefast1]

A guy like Cutler , and where he has been getting drafted , could be the key to winning Championships this year , similar to Warner in Arizona a couple years ago , especially in leagues without interception deductions.He is not going early enough in drafts were he is not going to break your draft if he flames out...high reward , little risk IMO.......We know he has the physical talent and now he is going to get more oppurtunies than ever..I benifited from Warner , Kitna and even Shaun Hill in the past ... very willing to take the chance on Cutler.Other players in similar situations are Kolb and Stafford I think.

Exactly Desert_Power.My League does NOT deduct for interceptions or fumbles. (SEE SIGNATURE)While 8 of the other owners drafted their QBs in the 1st 3 rounds (9 owner in the 5th), I grabbed Cutler in the 8th, allowing value at RB & WR in earlier 7 rounds.Round Pick Player Position 1. (1) Adrian Peterson RB 2. (20) Randy Moss WR 3. (21) DeAngelo Williams RB 4. (40) Jahvid Best RB 5. (41) Arian Foster RB 6. (60) Steve Smith WR 7. (61) Joseph Addai RB 8. (80) Jay Cutler QB 9. (81) Pierre Garcon WR 10. (100) Clinton Portis RB 11. (101) Santana Moss WR 12. (120) Tashard Choice RB 13. (121) Miami DEF 14. (140) Nick Folk K

 

[shnikies]

I just want to get my 2 cents in. Whoever said Cutler doesn't have the athleticism to escape has never watched Cutler play. One of his best attributes is his athleticism and ability on a roll out, throwing across the field while doing this his problem. Please stop using preseason or any other way of saying preseason. Martz hasn't opened the playbook. These exhibition games have basically been route running exercises with defenses and small crowds. I don't think it's a good thing he hasn't used his playbook because they're going to come out of the gate rusty. Also, the sooner they realize Hester has zero value at the receiver position the better. Cutler will put up stats regardless of how good the Bears are. Cutler will be a top 10 fantasy QB even though the Bears will finish around 5-11.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Ranking Cutler 8 does seem high to start the season.

The only reason some people think it is high is because of Cutler's poor performance in the third preseason game. Before that, there was hardly any mention of his ranking.

 

[Jayrod]

A guy like Cutler , and where he has been getting drafted , could be the key to winning Championships this year , similar to Warner in Arizona a couple years ago , especially in leagues without interception deductions.

He is not going early enough in drafts were he is not going to break your draft if he flames out...high reward , little risk IMO.......

We know he has the physical talent and now he is going to get more oppurtunies than ever..

I benifited from Warner , Kitna and even Shaun Hill in the past ... very willing to take the chance on Cutler.

Other players in similar situations are Kolb and Stafford I think.

My dynasty QB's are Cutler, Kolb & Stafford.

I couldn't afford to trade one because I have no idea which one (if any) will be a quality starting QB.

 

[Tau837]

I think we should expect the pre-season of a completely new system to be its worst showing ever as they get used to it at game speed for the first time. And the first few real games probably won't be much better. But as the year grinds along, the system will gel - at least more and more as they get reaction down on instinct instead of playing by conscious thought.

If this is true, we would see evidence of this happening with the 1999 Rams, 2006 Lions, and 2008 49ers, right? Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any such evidence with those teams.

 

[shnikies]

I think we should expect the pre-season of a completely new system to be its worst showing ever as they get used to it at game speed for the first time. And the first few real games probably won't be much better. But as the year grinds along, the system will gel - at least more and more as they get reaction down on instinct instead of playing by conscious thought.

If this is true, we would see evidence of this happening with the 1999 Rams, 2006 Lions, and 2008 49ers, right? Maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see any such evidence with those teams.

Where do you find stats for first team only offensive stats during the preseason?

 

[Lord Fantasy]

As a former Cutler owner playing in a head-to-head league that penalizes for interceptions I won't draft him until he gets his head on straight. Love the talent and the gunslingin' good games but the pouty meltdown turnover games just kill me. Statistically he may finish in the top 10 this year, but I don't want to count on him in my championship.

That said, in a total points or all-play league I could see the argument for him because the physical skills and the scheme are both there. (I think we also might see some growth from his WR corps.)