Jay Foreman (and Colby Bockwoldt) (1 Viewer)

[Chaos Commish]

Discuss.

 

[Keg]

shame but when it went south it went south fast for him and sharper

 

[Chaos Commish]

Okay, so he was amazingly good for me two years in a row a couple years back. He's 30 now. I joined a Zealot's dynasty and there he was on my roster. I've tried to find out about his health and situation in NY, and there's no news out there. I could use his spot for a promising rookie, but for some reason I am very hesitant to drop him.

So convince there's nothing to worry about. He's done, right?

 

[Keg]

Okay, so he was amazingly good for me two years in a row a couple years back. He's 30 now. I joined a Zealot's dynasty and there he was on my roster. I've tried to find out about his health and situation in NY, and there's no news out there. I could use his spot for a promising rookie, but for some reason I am very hesitant to drop him.

So convince there's nothing to worry about. He's done, right?

i think he is a UFA...the Gmen have signed arrignton and the drafted Gerris Wilkinson who might be able to win the WLB spot...i think its safe to put the fork in Jay :(

 

[Chaos Commish]

Okay, so he was amazingly good for me two years in a row a couple years back. He's 30 now. I joined a Zealot's dynasty and there he was on my roster. I've tried to find out about his health and situation in NY, and there's no news out there. I could use his spot for a promising rookie, but for some reason I am very hesitant to drop him.

So convince there's nothing to worry about. He's done, right?

i think he is a UFA...the Gmen have signed arrignton and the drafted Gerris Wilkinson who might be able to win the WLB spot...i think its safe to put the fork in Jay :(

Thanks, I think this is probably the case. However, I have seen some of FBGs IDP experts visiting this thread and and and... what!!?? Foreman lost most of the last two years to injury. There was some thought that he wasn't all that good a player even during the two 100+ solo seasons. He was just in the right spot on a bad team to make the stats pile up.

I just did some digging and he isn't on the Giants roster anymore. He was a week ago?? I'm going to drop him.

 

[coolnerd]

Okay, so he was amazingly good for me two years in a row a couple years back.  He's 30 now.  I joined a Zealot's dynasty and there he was on my roster.  I've tried to find out about his health and situation in NY, and there's no news out there.  I could use his spot for a promising rookie, but for some reason I am very hesitant to drop him. 

So convince there's nothing to worry about.  He's done, right?

i think he is a UFA...the Gmen have signed arrignton and the drafted Gerris Wilkinson who might be able to win the WLB spot...i think its safe to put the fork in Jay :(

Thanks, I think this is probably the case. However, I have seen some of FBGs IDP experts visiting this thread and and and... what!!?? Foreman lost most of the last two years to injury. There was some thought that he wasn't all that good a player even during the two 100+ solo seasons. He was just in the right spot on a bad team to make the stats pile up.

I just did some digging and he isn't on the Giants roster anymore. He was a week ago?? I'm going to drop him.

As a Texans fan, this was very accurate. The years he put great fantasy numbers the Texans defense had around 1,000 plays ran against them (league leading if I am not mistaken). Foreman was imfamous for the 5 yards down the field tackle.

 

[trader jake]

:fork:

 

[Jene Bramel]

Okay, so he was amazingly good for me two years in a row a couple years back.  He's 30 now.  I joined a Zealot's dynasty and there he was on my roster.  I've tried to find out about his health and situation in NY, and there's no news out there.  I could use his spot for a promising rookie, but for some reason I am very hesitant to drop him. 

So convince there's nothing to worry about.  He's done, right?

i think he is a UFA...the Gmen have signed arrignton and the drafted Gerris Wilkinson who might be able to win the WLB spot...i think its safe to put the fork in Jay :(

Thanks, I think this is probably the case. However, I have seen some of FBGs IDP experts visiting this thread and and and... what!!?? Foreman lost most of the last two years to injury. There was some thought that he wasn't all that good a player even during the two 100+ solo seasons. He was just in the right spot on a bad team to make the stats pile up.

I just did some digging and he isn't on the Giants roster anymore. He was a week ago?? I'm going to drop him.

Sorry CC, I was getting pelted by wooden trains last time I visited your thread. Indeed, Foreman sucked. Much like Ronald McKinnon - the poster boy for average talent, great opportunity - the lack of a better option and being in an advantageous position on a crappy NFL team inflated his stats tremendously.

To my knowledge, he's a free agent currently. With dudes like Keith Newman getting vet deals and Tommy Polley still available, I doubt he gets much of a look. In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value.

 

[Chaos Commish]

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value.

Decent link rounding up the Saints from last night

Starting lineups: Defense: S Jay Bellamy, S Roman Harper, CB Mike McKenzie, CB Fred Thomas, WLB Colby Bockwoldt, MLB Jay Foreman, SLB Scott Fujita, RDE Will Smith, LDE Charles Grant, DT Hollis Thomas, DT Brian Young.

Linebackers: Fujita was stuck and stalled by fullback Lousaka Polite at the line of scrimmage and Julius Jones scampered away. While Fujita is hardly an always-around-the-ball player, he's clearly the best linebacker in a terrible linebacking corps... Jay Foreman was caught late or behind in pass coverage multiple times, although he delivered a couple good hits in run support and showed the ability to shed blockers near the pile, but not consistently... Weakside starting linebacker Colby Bockwoldt used to be able to hang his hat on being in the right place at the right time. He was out of position or caught up in trash around the line far too often Monday night... LB Alfred Fincher played most of two quarters at middle linebacker, but notched his only two tackles on special teams. His only real impact on defense was an illegal contact penalty he drew covering a tight end down the field. This team needs a middle linebacker badly.

Is Foreman falling into bad defense fantasy gold again!?!? Check the link for more on the DLs and DBs.

 

[Beaumont]

Seems to me the Saints should make a bid for Danny Clark ...

 

[Jene Bramel]

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers.

Decent link rounding up the Saints from last night

Starting lineups: Defense: S Jay Bellamy, S Roman Harper, CB Mike McKenzie, CB Fred Thomas, WLB Colby Bockwoldt, MLB Jay Foreman, SLB Scott Fujita, RDE Will Smith, LDE Charles Grant, DT Hollis Thomas, DT Brian Young.

Linebackers: Fujita was stuck and stalled by fullback Lousaka Polite at the line of scrimmage and Julius Jones scampered away. While Fujita is hardly an always-around-the-ball player, he's clearly the best linebacker in a terrible linebacking corps... Jay Foreman was caught late or behind in pass coverage multiple times, although he delivered a couple good hits in run support and showed the ability to shed blockers near the pile, but not consistently... Weakside starting linebacker Colby Bockwoldt used to be able to hang his hat on being in the right place at the right time. He was out of position or caught up in trash around the line far too often Monday night... LB Alfred Fincher played most of two quarters at middle linebacker, but notched his only two tackles on special teams. His only real impact on defense was an illegal contact penalty he drew covering a tight end down the field. This team needs a middle linebacker badly.

Is Foreman falling into bad defense fantasy gold again!?!? Check the link for more on the DLs and DBs.

Okay, I'll amend my statement.

 

[Chaos Commish]

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

 

[Jene Bramel]

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

You were welcome in retrospect.I musta misplaced by IDP crystal ball that day. Or I was too busy with my Thomas Davis chapstick to pay attention to it. Really could've been either one.

 

[Rozelle]

Saints need to trade for Quarles ... Ruud Owner

 

[eddy13]

is foreman the new starter there over fincher...

 

[Rozelle]

is foreman the new starter there over fincher...

For now anyway. Fincher doesn't look ready yet.

 

[Jene Bramel]

From KFFL:

Saints | Team acquires Shanle

Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:50:34 -0700

The New Orleans Saints announced Wednesday, Aug. 23, that they have acquired LB Scott Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

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More replacement level ex-Cowboys to the Saint defense...Oh...and Chaos...

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers unless the said team with the worst linebackers then get another replacement level veteran linebacker who can't hold the jocks of his competition elsewhere in which case he could be right back where he started as back end roster depth at best and have zero fantasy value.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

 

[Chaos Commish]

From KFFL:

Saints | Team acquires Shanle

Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:50:34 -0700

The New Orleans Saints announced Wednesday, Aug. 23, that they have acquired LB Scott Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

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More replacement level ex-Cowboys to the Saint defense...Oh...and Chaos...

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers unless the said team with the worst linebackers then get another replacement level veteran linebacker who can't hold the jocks of his competition elsewhere in which case he could be right back where he started as back end roster depth at best and have zero fantasy value.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

Shanle is a good man in pursuit and a sure tackler. He impressed me shedding blocks in the trash last year when he had his chances. Saints LBs!!

Here's how I'm playing this. You know someone is going to have 10 solos in week one on that D. You also know he'll probably be on waivers. I'm picking him up. He'll probably lead the league in tackles before being hospitalized with chronic fatigue syndrome.

 

[StuntRock]

From KFFL:

Saints | Team acquires Shanle

Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:50:34 -0700

The New Orleans Saints announced Wednesday, Aug. 23, that they have acquired LB Scott Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

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More replacement level ex-Cowboys to the Saint defense...Oh...and Chaos...

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers unless the said team with the worst linebackers then get another replacement level veteran linebacker who can't hold the jocks of his competition elsewhere in which case he could be right back where he started as back end roster depth at best and have zero fantasy value.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

Shanle is a good man in pursuit and a sure tackler. He impressed me shedding blocks in the trash last year when he had his chances. Saints LBs!!

Here's how I'm playing this. You know someone is going to have 10 solos in week one on that D. You also know he'll probably be on waivers. I'm picking him up. He'll probably lead the league in tackles before being hospitalized with chronic fatigue syndrome.

Jay Foreman and all the rest of the Saints LBs should help increase the value of Saints safeties then!!!

 

[Marino13]

The Saints offered a 4th round pick for Donnie Edwards, but SD wanted a 2nd... I think they wanted a 2nd, so they would compromise on a 3rd, but apparently the Saints didn't want to give it... since Donnie is getting up there in age.

 

[Biabreakable]

From KFFL:

Saints | Team acquires Shanle

Wed, 23 Aug 2006 08:50:34 -0700

The New Orleans Saints announced Wednesday, Aug. 23, that they have acquired LB Scott Shanle from the Dallas Cowboys in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick in the 2007 NFL Draft.

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More replacement level ex-Cowboys to the Saint defense...Oh...and Chaos...

In any event, he's back end NFL roster depth at best and has zero fantasy value unless he's signed by the team with the worst linebackers in all of football that felt it was a fine idea to address its need at the position with a bunch of replacement level free agents rather than pursue Will Witherspoon or Abdul Hodge in which case he could fall into a situation where he might produce LB3 numbers unless the said team with the worst linebackers then get another replacement level veteran linebacker who can't hold the jocks of his competition elsewhere in which case he could be right back where he started as back end roster depth at best and have zero fantasy value.

Oh sure. Now you tell me.

Shanle is a good man in pursuit and a sure tackler. He impressed me shedding blocks in the trash last year when he had his chances. Saints LBs!!

Here's how I'm playing this. You know someone is going to have 10 solos in week one on that D. You also know he'll probably be on waivers. I'm picking him up. He'll probably lead the league in tackles before being hospitalized with chronic fatigue syndrome.

Jay Foreman and all the rest of the Saints LBs should help increase the value of Saints safeties then!!!

Bingo.Saints Lbers have been having a rough time over the past several years always getting hammered by huge offensive linemen. I will be looking for the guy this year too but I also don't expect him to last.

For now I am liking Fujita because he is the only one I know of playing 3 downs.

 

[Sofa King Money]

Fincher lights it up tonight...

What's the story now?

 

[Bob_Magaw]

this may have been mentioned upthread, but the other thing that could complicate getting even a third rounder is i think the team parting with pick (NO hypothetically) would want to be able to sign incoming player to an extension... but do you really want to sign a player approaching mid-thirties to multi-year extension... & if not, than you are just renting a player for a year, & a third pretty expensive for that.

 

[ffchamp1]

Fincher lights it up tonight... What's the story now?

with Foreman in there now getting tackles, it appears that Fincher must have been the starter tonight.Anybody watching it?

 

[Chaos Commish]

Fincher lights it up tonight... What's the story now?

with Foreman in there now getting tackles, it appears that Fincher must have been the starter tonight.Anybody watching it?

Fincher got the start tonight and was good from a keep the offense on the field so he can make more tackles perspective.

 

[Jestefarean]

Fincher lights it up tonight... What's the story now?

with Foreman in there now getting tackles, it appears that Fincher must have been the starter tonight.Anybody watching it?

Fincher got the start tonight and was good from a keep the offense on the field so he can make more tackles perspective.

 

[Rozelle]

Fincher lights it up tonight... What's the story now?

Fincher looked much better. I thought he played well, not all his tackles were downfied. He missed a couple of tackles close to the los, slowed RB enough for someone else to make tackle. He showed nice range, and quickness, key and diagnosed better, pretty good sifting through traffic, and looked fairly smooth dropping in coverage (from what you can see on tv).

 

[Jene Bramel]

Foreman and Bockwoldt cut by the Saints last night. MT and Sidewinder have been speculating that the Saints would acquire Donnie Edwards by the deadline today. That's looking more and more likely.

 

[Spartans346]

If Edwards does not go to the Saints. I have both Polley and Fincher on my squad..........and you know what that means............

That my defense sucks!