JD/MBA: On to the 2nd Year (1 Viewer)

[Otis]

Otischochet.

OH COME ON

 

[Christo]

Ok, last update I promise and I'll stop bothering people:

I have been riding the waitlist at Stanford's law and MBA programs all summer, and now with admission offers of a sort, I have a choice to make:

Both degrees (JD/MBA) at Stanford, or both degrees at Yale?

I am leaning towards Stanford, even though over 4 years it is gonna cost around $50,000 more than Yale would. My thought process is that if I'm really going to try and be a GM, then the MBA is going to matter and Stanford is arguably the best (and is certainly the best comparatively given my options).

Doing one degree at each school is NOT an option. Tried that. Any input from y'all, after all the help to this point?

Have you visited both Yale and Stanford yet? You obviously can't go wrong with either option, so I would just recommend visiting both campuses and talking to some of the students and professors at both schools. Sometimes you don't know if a school is right for you until you actually visit it in person.

I haven't visited Stanford, and I'm not going to be able to - with the WL admit there's no time (also, with no students actually there I figure the value is decreased as well) because they want my decision.

I have visited Yale. I liked it. But it was also cold. Location has never been a huge factor to me, but I definitely prefer the beautiful weather to the cold.

I have met professors from the school before though.

Here's a question: Is the value of an MBA from Stanford worth $60k + interest over the course of a lifetime vs one from Yale? I think it is. I'd love some more experienced opinions though.

Oh, come on! You know there's no way in hell to determine that.

 

[Henry Ford]

JD/MBA from Yale is pretty unbeatable, especially if $50k cheaper. Wear mittens.

Dammit it that's a good point. Bang California college chicks now or supermodels later? Yale all the way britches.

Law school is 3-4 years (with MBA)

Career is 40+.

Yale.

 

[bigbottom]

JD/MBA from Yale is pretty unbeatable, especially if $50k cheaper. Wear mittens.

Dammit it that's a good point. Bang California college chicks now or supermodels later? Yale all the way britches.

Law school is 3-4 years (with MBA)Career is 40+.

Yale.

Instinctive believes that a Stanford MBA is better for his career.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Is there a better place in the world to study and network than Palo Alto?

 

[krista4]

Well, you asked for advice on the full ride at Chicago v paying for Yale from those of us who know the value of the degrees from significant experience, and almost without exception we said U of C, so...I don't really think you're looking for advice. That's OK--most people are just looking for validation when they ask these questions. Here it is: you want to go to Stanford. Go there.

 

[Instinctive]

Well, you asked for advice on the full ride at Chicago v paying for Yale from those of us who know the value of the degrees from significant experience, and almost without exception we said U of C, so...I don't really think you're looking for advice. That's OK--most people are just looking for validation when they ask these questions. Here it is: you want to go to Stanford. Go there.

I think that's a mischaracterization - had I only been getting a JD or had Booth accepted me I'd probably have chosen Chicago. There are different circumstances sometimes.

I appreciate the "know better toned" explanation, but my typical reason for something like this is to get pushback and see what I think after. Nothing is better than having a good devil's advocate help me see, deal with, and plan for issues or eventualities I didn't think of.

Also - people said Yale also. See: Otis. So it's not like that was a unanimous selection

 

[krista4]

Well, you asked for advice on the full ride at Chicago v paying for Yale from those of us who know the value of the degrees from significant experience, and almost without exception we said U of C, so...I don't really think you're looking for advice. That's OK--most people are just looking for validation when they ask these questions. Here it is: you want to go to Stanford. Go there.

I think that's a mischaracterization - had I only been getting a JD or had Booth accepted me I'd probably have chosen Chicago. There are different circumstances sometimes.

I appreciate the "know better toned" explanation, but my typical reason for something like this is to get pushback and see what I think after. Nothing is better than having a good devil's advocate help me see, deal with, and plan for issues or eventualities I didn't think of.

Also - people said Yale also. See: Otis. So it's not like that was a unanimous selection

Yes, hence the words "almost without exception". You're going to need to parse words a bit better before you get to law school.

Anyway, you're going to Stanford.

ETA: Stanford also sounds like the better choice for you, in my opinion.

 

[Instinctive]

Well, you asked for advice on the full ride at Chicago v paying for Yale from those of us who know the value of the degrees from significant experience, and almost without exception we said U of C, so...I don't really think you're looking for advice. That's OK--most people are just looking for validation when they ask these questions. Here it is: you want to go to Stanford. Go there.

I think that's a mischaracterization - had I only been getting a JD or had Booth accepted me I'd probably have chosen Chicago. There are different circumstances sometimes.

I appreciate the "know better toned" explanation, but my typical reason for something like this is to get pushback and see what I think after. Nothing is better than having a good devil's advocate help me see, deal with, and plan for issues or eventualities I didn't think of.

Also - people said Yale also. See: Otis. So it's not like that was a unanimous selection

Yes, hence the words "almost without exception". You're going to need to parse words a bit better before you get to law school.

Anyway, you're going to Stanford.

ETA: Stanford also sounds like the better choice for you, in my opinion.

I have a feeling there's a lot I'll need to learn! (Like how to keep my wits about me to study post-midnight lol)

Probably yeah.

Why's that, may I ask?

 

[krista4]

Well, you asked for advice on the full ride at Chicago v paying for Yale from those of us who know the value of the degrees from significant experience, and almost without exception we said U of C, so...I don't really think you're looking for advice. That's OK--most people are just looking for validation when they ask these questions. Here it is: you want to go to Stanford. Go there.

I think that's a mischaracterization - had I only been getting a JD or had Booth accepted me I'd probably have chosen Chicago. There are different circumstances sometimes.

I appreciate the "know better toned" explanation, but my typical reason for something like this is to get pushback and see what I think after. Nothing is better than having a good devil's advocate help me see, deal with, and plan for issues or eventualities I didn't think of.

Also - people said Yale also. See: Otis. So it's not like that was a unanimous selection

Yes, hence the words "almost without exception". You're going to need to parse words a bit better before you get to law school.

Anyway, you're going to Stanford.

ETA: Stanford also sounds like the better choice for you, in my opinion.

I have a feeling there's a lot I'll need to learn! (Like how to keep my wits about me to study post-midnight lol)

Probably yeah.

Why's that, may I ask?

Why's what?

If you mean why Stanford is a better choice, primarily because you are not sure what you wish to do. The two Stanford programs are, as a whole and in my opinion individually, better choices. As you said, the MBA from Stanford will take you much further, and in the legal realm I'd be more likely to want a Stanford lawyer than a Yale one (though admittedly that's a closer call). Gives you the best of both worlds, in my opinion, and a better balance in favor of MBA as I think that's your preference for now (knowing that that could change).

 

[Instinctive]

Why's what?

If you mean why Stanford is a better choice, primarily because you are not sure what you wish to do. The two Stanford programs are, as a whole and in my opinion individually, better choices. As you said, the MBA from Stanford will take you much further, and in the legal realm I'd be more likely to want a Stanford lawyer than a Yale one (though admittedly that's a closer call). Gives you the best of both worlds, in my opinion, and a better balance in favor of MBA as I think that's your preference for now (knowing that that could change).

Thanks! That is in fact what I meant.

I really do appreciate the feedback. It all helps me process a lot. The FFA has been surprisingly helpful.

 

[johnnycakes]

Ok, last update I promise and I'll stop bothering people:

I have been riding the waitlist at Stanford's law and MBA programs all summer, and now with admission offers of a sort, I have a choice to make:

Both degrees (JD/MBA) at Stanford, or both degrees at Yale?

I am leaning towards Stanford, even though over 4 years it is gonna cost around $50,000 more than Yale would. My thought process is that if I'm really going to try and be a GM, then the MBA is going to matter and Stanford is arguably the best (and is certainly the best comparatively given my options).

Doing one degree at each school is NOT an option. Tried that. Any input from y'all, after all the help to this point?

Have you visited both Yale and Stanford yet? You obviously can't go wrong with either option, so I would just recommend visiting both campuses and talking to some of the students and professors at both schools. Sometimes you don't know if a school is right for you until you actually visit it in person.

I haven't visited Stanford, and I'm not going to be able to - with the WL admit there's no time (also, with no students actually there I figure the value is decreased as well) because they want my decision.

I have visited Yale. I liked it. But it was also cold. Location has never been a huge factor to me, but I definitely prefer the beautiful weather to the cold.

I have met professors from the school before though.

Here's a question: Is the value of an MBA from Stanford worth $60k + interest over the course of a lifetime vs one from Yale? I think it is. I'd love some more experienced opinions though.

You sound like a girl here. Man up.

 

[The_Man]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

 

[Mr. Pickles]

See the lawyer thread for updates.

 

[Henry Ford]

Listening to a 1L talk is like watching a frog in a pot of water that's slowly heating to a boil.

 

[Instinctive]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

 

[The_Man]

See the lawyer thread for updates.

I think the lawyer thread is great. Just like an Ebola quarantine zone. So I thank Instinctive for the update - best wishes!

 

[Otis]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

 

[Instinctive]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

I'm hoping this is different since Stanford doesn't really grade. 1/3 get an H, everyone else gets a P (Honors and Pass).

There's definitely a couple people gunning...but I'm still (naively) hoping for the best haha.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

I've never gotten this

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

I'm hoping this is different since Stanford doesn't really grade. 1/3 get an H, everyone else gets a P (Honors and Pass).

There's definitely a couple people gunning...but I'm still (naively) hoping for the best haha.

Gunners are completely irrelevant to exams. All your classmates are irrelevant to exams. It's like golf. There's no defense. You just write yours and they'll write theirs. Gunners are completely harmless except to the extent that a derailed class discussion can make you want to smash in someone's skull with the 2nd Restatement.

 

[Henry Ford]

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

I've never gotten this

The eminence "Where should I go to school?" is like the Bizarro World variation of this thread.

Speaking of which, update?

I've been posting in the lawyer threads because I assumed they were the only ones who cared hahahaha.

It's a grind, but it's pretty awesome. First time I've ever been in an academic setting where everyone is truly on a higher level. It's challenging, it's hard work, but it's also interesting and rewarding and people really cut loose and party on the weekends.

Just wait till finals time. That's when first year wannabe lawyers really show what good folks they are.

I'm hoping this is different since Stanford doesn't really grade. 1/3 get an H, everyone else gets a P (Honors and Pass).

There's definitely a couple people gunning...but I'm still (naively) hoping for the best haha.

Gunners are completely irrelevant to exams. All your classmates are irrelevant to exams. It's like golf. There's no defense. You just write yours and they'll write theirs. Gunners are completely harmless except to the extent that a derailed class discussion can make you want to smash in someone's skull with the 2nd Restatement.

If you can even find a copy these days.

 

[Instinctive]

Update:

Some had mentioned first-year finals and such, and how the year went so I thought I would make a post here. Finals in the fall were a bit of a crucible. I mean, I'd taken a bunch of finals in a short time before, but nothing like this was. In the end, we all made it through, and the next quarter was a little easier, and the Spring quarter had even more of a rhythm to it. The first-year experience really does change how you think about things every single day. It's kinda cool to step back and see how much has changed in such a short time.

My goals (working in sports) have kept me sane throughout the process. I know I don't want to go to a law firm to practice, so my "grades" (Stanford Law is on an H/P system and the GSB has a grade non-disclosure policy) don't provide much stress. It's the first time I've been able to focus 100% of my coursework on learning the materials and diving down rabbit-holes purely because they interest me. In the past, I've learned a lot, but always because something would be on a test. Now, I'm able to take every part of a lesson and try to think about how it could impact my career path and focus on that, rather than on acing an exam. It's truly freeing.

I've had an awesome summer experience so far (have been working in sports, which is the dream), but now it's time to interview for next summer (man these recruiting cycles are early). Although, as great as the job has been, I am not a fan of NYC. Nothing is wrong with the city, as it has tons of pros and cons like any other, but its pros are things I value less and the cons tend to be thing I value more. I'm glad to have learned that early on rather than taking a full-time job here three years from now and then learning that about myself.

For next summer, I'm interviewing in consulting for next year (MBB), and I think some FBGs have experience in that realm. A few people in the industry are helping me prep, as are some of the supervisors I work with now who came to our office from consulting. Basically my evenings all go to case interview prep nowadays.

If anyone has any advice on this, I would love to hear it. I'm a couple weeks out from round 1 interviews with firms.