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Jeopardy Baby, Ooooh-ooh-oooooh (1 Viewer)

While I had it spoiled for me here, it was hard to avoid spoilers as the day went on.  By late afternoon, I started seeing stuff like "Did James win or lose on Jeopardy today? Click to find out", where the result was not even cleverly disguised because there's only one answer that would result on there even being an article on that.

My wife had it spoiled for her too.  We ended up watching in stony silence because neither of us wanted to hint to the other that we knew the result, although we both knew it.

 
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They were definitely going to make James earn that Ken Jennings record.  Emma was the Jeopardy Manchurian candidate they brought out of cold storage.  A Hulk buster.  She has to go on a run of her own right?  The released her in the wild...she can't be contained.

But Boettcher, who has been watching “Jeopardy!” for a long time and tracking her scores at home in a notebook for five years, already had a strategy to go for higher-value clues and find the “Daily Doubles.” Holzhauer got the “Daily Double” in the first round right, and Boettcher nailed the two “Daily Doubles” in the second round.

She led Holzhauer by $3,200 going into “Final Jeopardy” and she was “delighted” to see the final clue was about William Shakespeare’s era. Boettcher knew it was her category — she was an English major at Princeton University and her undergraduate thesis was on Shakespeare’s plays.
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this thread be -  tl;dr

so, i dunno if this had been broached already .... is "Potent Potables" still a category in rotation?

TIA 

:shrug:

 
Hugh Jass said:
:goodposting: Yeah, he really got robbed from his shining nerd moment of being a returning champ.  He memorized the entire Trivial Pursuit 1st Edition as a child!  He missed one answer.

Poor *******.
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He’s a huge poster on the r/Opera forum, & he’ll be referencing his “I coulda been a contender” schtick for at least 14 years.

 
Five episodes are taped each day, with two days of taping every other week.

James appeared on 33 episodes, which means he was only on set 7 actual days for tapings.

So do contestants on winning streaks have to foot the bill to travel to California every other week for the tapings if they travel home between the tapings?

Also, an interesting tidbit: spoilers would have hit the internet Monday before the episode aired that night no matter what, as the first Jeopardy broadcast of the day debuted in Montgomery, Ala., where the local CBS affiliate airs the show at 9:30 a.m. Central Time. 

 
Walking Boot said:
Apparently last night's episode of him losing was the highest rated episode in the last 10 years. People tuned in knowing what would happen. 
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Yep. I’d never have watched if the vague spoiler wasn’t posted.

And it’s pretty insulting how the new winner’s nearly flawless play is being described as lucky by some.

 
Wingnut said:
Five episodes are taped each day, with two days of taping every other week.

James appeared on 33 episodes, which means he was only on set 7 actual days for tapings.

So do contestants on winning streaks have to foot the bill to travel to California every other week for the tapings if they travel home between the tapings?

Also, an interesting tidbit: spoilers would have hit the internet Monday before the episode aired that night no matter what, as the first Jeopardy broadcast of the day debuted in Montgomery, Ala., where the local CBS affiliate airs the show at 9:30 a.m. Central Time. 
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Exhibit # 323 on why Alabama is ### backwards.  

 
Wingnut said:
Five episodes are taped each day, with two days of taping every other week.

James appeared on 33 episodes, which means he was only on set 7 actual days for tapings.

So do contestants on winning streaks have to foot the bill to travel to California every other week for the tapings if they travel home between the tapings?

Also, an interesting tidbit: spoilers would have hit the internet Monday before the episode aired that night no matter what, as the first Jeopardy broadcast of the day debuted in Montgomery, Ala., where the local CBS affiliate airs the show at 9:30 a.m. Central Time. 
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Contestants pay to go to CA the first time.  After that, the show pays.

The show's producers say they know who leaked the pirated footage and will be prosecuting.  The various air times of the show have never been an issue before.  

 
Capella said:
Ironically my wife wasn’t spoiled at all. But we paused it on the dvr to put the kid to bed and her mom texted her “wow can’t believe he lost” 10 minutes before we saw it. :lmao:  Guess it was just bound to happen. 
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I've made the mistake of clicking in here 3-4 times during his run and saw the amount James won because East Coast viewers already saw the episode.  

If you don't like being spoiled, don't consider moving to the West Coast.

 
Terminalxylem said:
Yep. I’d never have watched if the vague spoiler wasn’t posted.

And it’s pretty insulting how the new winner’s nearly flawless play is being described as lucky by some.
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Um have you ever watched sports?  People will slander dynasties like the Warriors and Patriots at any cost.

 
Captain Cranks said:
I'm sad to see James go.  He's been extremely entertaining and ultimately i found him to be quite likable.  
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Same here, man. Almost feels like there's nothing to look forward to after work now.

I certainly won't be watching until Emma is out of the picture. James brought excitement to my life 7PM every day for the the past 6 weeks.

It's kind of like hooking up with a girl way out of your league. You know it's not going to last forever and when it's over, it's hard to go back to chasing a plain Jane.

Gotta sulk for awhile...

 
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Raptors409 said:
Same here, man. Almost feels like there's nothing to look forward to after work now.

I certainly won't be watching until Emma is out of the picture. James brought excitement to my life 7PM every day for the the past 6 weeks.

It's kind of like hooking up with a girl way out of your league. You know it's not going to last forever and when it's over, it's hard to go back to chasing a plain Jane.

Gotta sulk for awhile...
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I was genuinely sad last night.  I don't really feel like watching Jeopardy tonight.  

 
Walking Boot said:
She had no idea who he was or what his strategy was, correct? None of his episodes had aired before hers taped. And since it was a Monday episode, none of that day's contestants would have had a chance to see what he was doing prior.

Likely the first clue she had about him was that he was introduced as the 30-day champion with 2-mil in the bank, and that he jumped around to start and fished the DD early. 
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Based on Alex's question to her, it sounded like she knew James was going to be quite the challenge and likely had some idea how he was getting it done.   It's unlikely that she's using the exact same strategy without some influence by James' play. 

 
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Walking Boot said:
She had no idea who he was or what his strategy was, correct? None of his episodes had aired before hers taped. And since it was a Monday episode, none of that day's contestants would have had a chance to see what he was doing prior.

Likely the first clue she had about him was that he was introduced as the 30-day champion with 2-mil in the bank, and that he jumped around to start and fished the DD early. 
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I think alex mentioned that she had a chance to watch him. 

 
PinkydaPimp said:
Looking like she is gonna run with James’ strategy.  She seemed pissed when Alex pointed that out. :lmao:
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Yeah, definitely gave an eye roll when Alex made the comment of using James strategy.  Also seemed annoyed and a little flustered when Alex asked if she was intimidated going against him.

 
Walking Boot said:
She had no idea who he was or what his strategy was, correct? None of his episodes had aired before hers taped. And since it was a Monday episode, none of that day's contestants would have had a chance to see what he was doing prior.

Likely the first clue she had about him was that he was introduced as the 30-day champion with 2-mil in the bank, and that he jumped around to start and fished the DD early. 
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The shows usually tape about six weeks in advance.  (Trebek's illness changed the taping schedule somewhat.)  With the Teachers' Tournament airing in the middle, she definitely had a chance to watch him play before she went to compete.  She got to see at least ten episodes beforehand.

 
Nipsey said:
He absolutely wagered the right amount. Gave himself the best chance to win. No brainer to make sure 3rd place couldn't catch him. Only wager she's going to make was just enough to beat him if he doubled up.
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I agree, and I agree that the theory supports the claim. I can’t help but think, though, that the basic tenets of game theory or probability are not necessarily followed and so in this imperfect environment, a different bet could easily be defended. Here is what I mean: first, we don’t know that the other players are going to wager perfectly rationally. For instance, the leader is “supposed” to bet enough to lock up the win. But based on the category and the player, he or she might wager more conservatively. For instance, if Emma knew very little about Poland and that was the category, she could very well bet sub-optimally, maybe even $0. Also, James knows that his probability of getting FJ correct is over 95%. Put those two secondary considerations together, and I think James would have had a good case to bet enough to catch Emma. It was only a couple thousand more than he wagered and he could have confidence that it’s extremely unlikely that he misses the question while the 3rd place finisher gets it correct, on the order of 1% or so.

 
pecorino said:
I agree, and I agree that the theory supports the claim. I can’t help but think, though, that the basic tenets of game theory or probability are not necessarily followed and so in this imperfect environment, a different bet could easily be defended. Here is what I mean: first, we don’t know that the other players are going to wager perfectly rationally. For instance, the leader is “supposed” to bet enough to lock up the win. But based on the category and the player, he or she might wager more conservatively. For instance, if Emma knew very little about Poland and that was the category, she could very well bet sub-optimally, maybe even $0. Also, James knows that his probability of getting FJ correct is over 95%. Put those two secondary considerations together, and I think James would have had a good case to bet enough to catch Emma. It was only a couple thousand more than he wagered and he could have confidence that it’s extremely unlikely that he misses the question while the 3rd place finisher gets it correct, on the order of 1% or so.
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Well thought out but, c'mon, he knew who he was up against. The chances of her wagering less than his double up amount was <.1%. And the chances of James making a wager that didn't give him the best chance to win were nil.

They both get it right: he loses.

They both get it wrong: he wins.

He's right, she's wrong: he wins.

Not only did he make the correct wager, he did it to the dollar.

 
Nipsey said:
The chances of her wagering less than his double up amount was <.1%.
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I don’t think that’s correct. That would be 1 in 1000. Contrstants, especially challengers, don’t always have the cajones to wager upwards of 20K even though they should. Even the minuscule chance that he gets it right, she gets it wrong, and she still wins (say she bet $0), would be crushing. If I had James’ brain, his penchant to gamble and his 2.5M in the bank already, I’d consider a sub-optimal bet, especially with the confidence that I’m not missing that question while the others get it right.

 
pecorino said:
I don’t think that’s correct. That would be 1 in 1000. Contrstants, especially challengers, don’t always have the cajones to wager upwards of 20K even though they should. Even the minuscule chance that he gets it right, she gets it wrong, and she still wins (say she bet $0), would be crushing. If I had James’ brain, his penchant to gamble and his 2.5M in the bank already, I’d consider a sub-optimal bet, especially with the confidence that I’m not missing that question while the others get it right.
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Agree to disagree.

 
Nipsey said:
Agree to disagree.
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I’m not saying his bet was wrong. Your analysis was spot-on. I’m saying the fallibility of other players’ decision making means that maybe he should have made an ‘incorrect’ bet. I’m not disagreeing with your original point.

 
pecorino said:
I’m not saying his bet was wrong. Your analysis was spot-on. I’m saying the fallibility of other players’ decision making means that maybe he should have made an ‘incorrect’ bet. I’m not disagreeing with your original point.
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I hear what you're saying I just don't agree. I stand by that it's less than 1 in 1000 she bets less than his double up amount (and probably the one time she bets less than his double up amount it's because she made a mistake with the math). These people have watched Jeopardy their whole lives. She wasn't going to make a bad decision there and neither was he.

People were on twitter saying they believed he tried to throw the game because he bet so little. Just the opposite. For a second, imagine if he did bet it all and nobody got the answer right. His bet would have been seen as the dumbest bet in show history, and by one of the show's greatest ever contestants. Wasn't going to happen. Now if she bet less than his double up amount and they both got it right, then those Einsteins on twitter would have had a case about the game being thrown but she would never have done that. The odds of both players wagering those amounts (or very close to those amounts) were 99.99%.

 
What Nipsey said.  They wagered very predictably.

Emma had already demonstrated that she was playing the same way that James was.  It made his choice even easier.

 
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