Jerrell Jernigan will be one of the most overlooked values this season (1 Viewer)

[Shutout]

With this being considered a deep WR class this season, I'm sure there are going to be some "boring" 2nd, 3rd, and 4th year Wrs out there that will hit their stride this year and represent great value compared to the hot new rookies and I think Jernigan will be one of them.

It appears at the end of the season the Giants, for the first time since drafting Jernigan, actually got a chance to see what he could do in what is his clearly best natural role and he did well, even among the train-wreck of the season that was.

I'm not saying he comes in and becomes what Cruz did when he came out of nowhere but I do expect him to be a young, serviceable guy that can be had for a lot less than your typical top 30 or so draft pick.

What say youz guys?

 

[Terpman22]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

 

[Terpman22]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

I like the Engram comparison, from both a real life and fantasy perspective. Jerningan could make a decent fantasy spot starter and his value could increase with a Cruz or Randle injury.

 

[Terpman22]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning.

1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning. 1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

Yeah, if you're the guy who thinks that pro-rating what he did over a tiny sample size with Cruz hurt is a reasonable place to start projecting for Jernigan 2014 forward, then we aren't going to have much to discuss. I'll stick with what NY's WR3 has done the past few years. Good luck with Jernigan this year.

 

[JohnnyU]

I like him, but I just traded him and the 2.9 rookie pick for Patton, who I like more.

 

[Terpman22]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning. 1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

Yeah, if you're the guy who thinks that pro-rating what he did over a tiny sample size with Cruz hurt is a reasonable place to start projecting for Jernigan 2014 forward, then we aren't going to have much to discuss. I'll stick with what NY's WR3 has done the past few years. Good luck with Jernigan this year.

I only work with what data is available. I don't own him in any leagues. I just offered what I think his value could be, not just for this year, since the OP did not specify. I still would like to hear where the 3400 extra yards passing go to. It seems you just want to be snarky and do the internet eye roll though. You aren't discussing anything. You are just saying I am wrong, with nothing other than your personal opinion to back it up.

 

[Terpman22]

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I think you can just about put a fork in Eli. 3400 yards looks a lot more likely to me than 4400.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I like him, but I just traded him and the 2.9 rookie pick for Patton, who I like more.

When do you see Patton making an impact? I think they keep Crabs long-term, Boldin will be on for a year or two more, if VD stays Patton will have a hard time ever making FF impact in red & gold.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Steve Smith did ok from the slot

In the 2008 regular season, Smith became one of Manning's favorite targets, and not just on 3rd down as Smith led the Giants in receptions over Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, who both started over Smith. Smith helped the Giants win the NFC East division

 

[Bayhawks]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning.

1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

Manning has only had one season where he threw for 4400 yards; his career season in 2011. 4000 is a much more likely projection. As for rookie WRs not producing in "this system," with a new OC, it stands to reason there will be a new system. Regardless, the "plan" seems to be for Randle to jump into the WR2 role. So let's assume everyone stays healthy. Give Cruz his 1200 yards. Nicks has averaged about 8 targets/game the last few years, which would be about 130 targets. If you assume Randle will be healthy and get those targets, at his catch rate over the last two years, that would be 71 catches and around 1050 yards. Give the RBs about 50 catches for 350 yards (about what they got last year, although that was much lower than the previous few years). Give their TEs about 500 yards (they've had between 600-700 the last 2 years, but without knowing who their TE(s) will be, it wouldn't make sense to predict that much). That leaves you with 900 yards for the #3 and #4 (and any other random WRs). If you give Cruz 10 TDs, and Randle 8 (which would not be a stretch/actually might be a disappointment based on his TD/catch ratio over his first two years), that leaves you with MAYBE 12 TDs left (assuming you predict Eli for 30, a number he's only hit once). Give 1 to the RBs and 3 to the TEs (he's never thrown fewer than 4 TDs to his TEs in any full season), and that leaves you with 8 TDs.

So assuming Eli doesn't repeat his career year from 2011 & puts up his "normal" numbers (with TDs being on the high side), and you shouldn't expect more than 900 yards and 8 TDs from Jernigan (and that's assuming virtually no production from the #4 or deeper WRs).

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning.

1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

Manning has only had one season where he threw for 4400 yards; his career season in 2011. 4000 is a much more likely projection. As for rookie WRs not producing in "this system," with a new OC, it stands to reason there will be a new system. Regardless, the "plan" seems to be for Randle to jump into the WR2 role. So let's assume everyone stays healthy. Give Cruz his 1200 yards. Nicks has averaged about 8 targets/game the last few years, which would be about 130 targets. If you assume Randle will be healthy and get those targets, at his catch rate over the last two years, that would be 71 catches and around 1050 yards. Give the RBs about 50 catches for 350 yards (about what they got last year, although that was much lower than the previous few years). Give their TEs about 500 yards (they've had between 600-700 the last 2 years, but without knowing who their TE(s) will be, it wouldn't make sense to predict that much). That leaves you with 900 yards for the #3 and #4 (and any other random WRs). If you give Cruz 10 TDs, and Randle 8 (which would not be a stretch/actually might be a disappointment based on his TD/catch ratio over his first two years), that leaves you with MAYBE 12 TDs left (assuming you predict Eli for 30, a number he's only hit once). Give 1 to the RBs and 3 to the TEs (he's never thrown fewer than 4 TDs to his TEs in any full season), and that leaves you with 8 TDs.

So assuming Eli doesn't repeat his career year from 2011 & puts up his "normal" numbers (with TDs being on the high side), and you shouldn't expect more than 900 yards and 8 TDs from Jernigan (and that's assuming virtually no production from the #4 or deeper WRs).

it all depends on what they do at TE IMO, if they start a blocking TE which they very well might have to with OL and then JJ could be a decent option

 

[Shutout]

Steve Smith did ok from the slot

In the 2008 regular season, Smith became one of Manning's favorite targets, and not just on 3rd down as Smith led the Giants in receptions over Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, who both started over Smith. Smith helped the Giants win the NFC East division

Forgot about that one.. Good thought

 

[Bayhawks]

Steve Smith did ok from the slot

In the 2008 regular season, Smith became one of Manning's favorite targets, and not just on 3rd down as Smith led the Giants in receptions over Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress, who both started over Smith. Smith helped the Giants win the NFC East division

True, but 525 yards and 3 TDs is a far cry from the 1143 and 12 numbers that were tossed out earlier. Even in Smith's career 2009 year, he had 1220 and 7, and he was essentially the Giants WR1 that year, since Toomer and Burress were gone, Nicks was a rookie, Manningham was in his 2nd year, and Hixon and Moss were both hurt much of that year.

I think Jernigan has talent, and if an injury (or two) to the WR(s) ahead of him occurred, he could put up good numbers, but as long as Cruz and Randle stay healthy, he would be hard pressed to get close to 1000 yards OR double-digit TDs, much less both.

 

[Bayhawks]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

You do understand what the word "could" means, right? And Cruz/Randle are not my definition of injury-free and/or consistent. If I said Bobby Engram, would you take me off the cross?

Well, literally anything could happen, but it's generally far more productive to look at what might reasonably be expected. But carry on. Jernigan could catch 100 balls with double digit scores if Cruz and Randle both go down for the year early on, I suppose.

Ok. Since you are just basically saying "Hah! No way that could ever happen" and that's it, I will at least offer some reasoning.

1. Eli Manning throws roughly 4400 yds a year.

2. One of the guys he throws to is coming back, Victor Cruz. Who accounts for 1-1250 yards.

3. We have about 3200 yards left.

4. Remaining options are Randle, Louis Murphy, Adrien Robinson...who else?

5. Rookie WR really do not produce in this system

6. Taking his stats into account of his last 3 games, including one against the Seahawks, he averaged 6.3/79/.66, which extrapolates to 101/1264/10.5, which more or less ~ TJ Housh's best season.

I don't pull this crap outta my A. I push it out. Your turn.

Manning has only had one season where he threw for 4400 yards; his career season in 2011. 4000 is a much more likely projection. As for rookie WRs not producing in "this system," with a new OC, it stands to reason there will be a new system. Regardless, the "plan" seems to be for Randle to jump into the WR2 role. So let's assume everyone stays healthy. Give Cruz his 1200 yards. Nicks has averaged about 8 targets/game the last few years, which would be about 130 targets. If you assume Randle will be healthy and get those targets, at his catch rate over the last two years, that would be 71 catches and around 1050 yards. Give the RBs about 50 catches for 350 yards (about what they got last year, although that was much lower than the previous few years). Give their TEs about 500 yards (they've had between 600-700 the last 2 years, but without knowing who their TE(s) will be, it wouldn't make sense to predict that much). That leaves you with 900 yards for the #3 and #4 (and any other random WRs). If you give Cruz 10 TDs, and Randle 8 (which would not be a stretch/actually might be a disappointment based on his TD/catch ratio over his first two years), that leaves you with MAYBE 12 TDs left (assuming you predict Eli for 30, a number he's only hit once). Give 1 to the RBs and 3 to the TEs (he's never thrown fewer than 4 TDs to his TEs in any full season), and that leaves you with 8 TDs.

So assuming Eli doesn't repeat his career year from 2011 & puts up his "normal" numbers (with TDs being on the high side), and you shouldn't expect more than 900 yards and 8 TDs from Jernigan (and that's assuming virtually no production from the #4 or deeper WRs).

it all depends on what they do at TE IMO, if they start a blocking TE which they very well might have to with OL and then JJ could be a decent option

It's possible, but I only projected 500 yards to (all) TEs, with 3 TDs. Eli has only had 1 full season where either number was that low, and he hasn't had a single full season where his TEs produced that little in yards AND TDs.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

 

[JohnnyU]

I like him, but I just traded him and the 2.9 rookie pick for Patton, who I like more.

When do you see Patton making an impact? I think they keep Crabs long-term, Boldin will be on for a year or two more, if VD stays Patton will have a hard time ever making FF impact in red & gold.

I think Patton has more long term value than Jernigan. I don't see a lot of long term upside with Jernigan, but he will make a fine WR #3 for the Giants. I think Patton has WR #2 upside with the 49'ers and my fantasy teams.

 

[JohnnyU]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

Isn't Jernigan a tiny guy and I don't mean thick anywhere either? Doesn't that limit most WRs some?

 

[Bayhawks]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

You could be right. Perhaps Randle will flop, and Jernigan will be the #2. IMO, however, Randle is going to get the first opportunity for that job.

 

[JohnnyU]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

You could be right. Perhaps Randle will flop, and Jernigan will be the #2. IMO, however, Randle is going to get the first opportunity for that job.

Randle will be a stud in 2014, bank on it !!

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

You could be right. Perhaps Randle will flop, and Jernigan will be the #2. IMO, however, Randle is going to get the first opportunity for that job.

Randle will be a stud in 2014, bank on it !!

I like Randle, but the train wreck on offense in NY makes it hard to project him as more than a WR2 for 2014. Lots of issues need fixed there before I can see anyone providing true studly FF production. Cruz as WR10 - WR15, Randle as WR15 - WR25, and a bunch of meh everywhere else for FF purposes. I guess if Andre Brown stays healthy and they make big improvements to the line, he might be decent too, but the Giants look like a mess on offense to me currently.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

Isn't Jernigan a tiny guy and I don't mean thick anywhere either? Doesn't that limit most WRs some?

the slot wr in NY is typically the #2 option. Its the #2 outside wr that usually suffers.

 

[Bayhawks]

Not sure i'd automatically assume Randle is the #2 option and Jernigan is the #3 option next season.

Isn't Jernigan a tiny guy and I don't mean thick anywhere either? Doesn't that limit most WRs some?

the slot wr in NY is typically the #2 option. Its the #2 outside wr that usually suffers.

I'm not sure I agree with this, but even if it were true, they have a new offensive coordinator, so what happened in the past might not be the best predictor of what will happen in the future. Basically, we are all guessing right now. We can look at what Eli has done in the past, we can look at what McAdoo did as QB coach in GB, but we haven't seen McAdoo as an OC, we haven't seen Eli with McAdoo as his OC, we haven't seen Randle as the #3, we haven't seen Jerningan as the #3 or #2 WR.

Jerningan has talent, and I think if he was the #2 WR, he could do very well. However, everything I've read seems to indicate that Randle will be given the first shot at that role.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Hasn't Cruz typically played in the slot when the Giants use 3+ WRs?

 

[Two Deep]

Jernigan will be the Giants Randall Cobb

 

[Terpman22]

Oh ####. Here we go again.

 

[Two Deep]

Yep.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I think we can agree that hes worth a late round grab or trade throw in. Also looking like the KR/PR on the team as well

 

[bonesman]

Was afraid this thread might increase interest in JJ in my 16 team contract league (which gives a slight reward for KR/PR) but there was only one other bid and I got him for a little less than twice the minimum.

I'd be thrilled if he could deliver a Housh-like season or two. I drafted him and Julius Thomas right in a row when they came out but cut (traded JT actually) them both before they did anything on the field.

 

[Shutout]

Jernigan will be the Giants Randall Cobb

Big statement but very true in potential and this is what makes him a true guy to watch because he has that game to him and if he is utilized as such, he could have a huge impact.

There HAVE been a lot of changes in New York but at the end of the day, no coach is going to approach things by limiting Eli. The giants will continue to throw so the question is in what ways? We see what mcadoo does and that means somebody is going to have that Cobb role.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I think his value could be as high as TJ Houshmanzadeh's peak value.

So 112 -- 1143 -- 12? Uhhh... no. The Giants WR3 spot hasn't generally been a huge source of FF points -- typically more in the 40 - 5/600 range. I like Jernigan, but IMO it's pretty unlikely he moves ahead of Randle any time soon.

Hahahah, yeah that was funny. Jernigan might go 112-1143-12 over his career.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/04/giants_jerrel_jernigan_one_of_the_nfls_top_third_receivers.html

Giants' Jerrel Jernigan one of the NFL's top third receivers?

...With Hakeem Nicks off in Indianapolis and Rueben Randle sliding into his starting spot in the Giants lineup, Jernigan projects as Eli Manning's third receiver, behind Victor Cruz and Randle. And after three strong performances to close out last season (19 catches, 233 yards, 2 TDs), Pro Football Focus and Rotoworld's Mike Clay projects Jernigan as the third-best No. 3 wide receiver from a fantasy standpoint in 2014.

Clay writes:

Fantasy's No. 2 scoring wide receiver over the final three weeks of the 2013 season, Jernigan is primed for a much larger role going forward. A third-round pick in 2011, Jernigan figures to share slot duties with Victor Cruz and will push Rueben Randle for a starting gig. Question marks at tight end mean targets will be easy to find for Jernigan. Keep him on your WR4 radar.
The Giants can only hope Clay's right, although it's doubtful he'll seriously push Randle for the starting gig. From Day 1, Randle has been ahead of Jernigan on the depth chart.

Clay is high on Jernigan though. He has him ranked ahead of established players like Nicks, Mike Williams (Bills) and Danny Amendola (Patriots) as the top third receivers this season. That's quite a show of confidence for a player with three quality games under his belt.

...Jernigan, 24, never really had much opportunity in regular-season games. He was stuck in a difficult position behind two proven receivers, plus the physically-talented Randle was a high pick (second round) in 2012.

Part of the problem is that Jernigan (5-foot-8, 189 pounds) would appear best served as a slot receiver. That is where Cruz thrives and does most of his damage.

Cruz had 43 receptions out of the slot last season, according to Pro Football Focus. Only six receivers had better success out of that position. Eighteen of Cruz's 23 career touchdowns have also come from the slot.

In order for Jernigan to have the breakout season Clay suggests, he may need to do it on the outside. Jernigan did show promise in his only three career starts at the end of last year on the outside. It prompted the owner to publicly question why the Giants didn't take an earlier look at their 2011 third-round pick out of Troy.

"I'm not sure why it took us three years to find out that Jerrel Jernigan can play," owner John Mara said in his post-season press conference. "We finally put him in the game and he starts making plays."

Randle also brings optimism. ESPN's Matt Williamson made a list of "Future No. 1 pass-catchers." Randle didn't make the Top 13, but was among the "others to consider."

The Giants believe Randle can thrive as a starter. They allowed Nicks to leave uncontested, and only added Mario Manningham and his questionable knee in free agency.

"Rueben we have great expectations, high expectations for," coach Tom Coughlin said at the NFL Meetings. "You can see the plays he can make. He's made some great plays ... We have a lot of belief and stock and that his development will continue."

The same can probably be said for Jernigan. Some are counting on it in what they believe will be his breakout season.

 

[Bayhawks]

Jernigan will be the Giants Randall Cobb

Big statement but very true in potential and this is what makes him a true guy to watch because he has that game to him and if he is utilized as such, he could have a huge impact.

There HAVE been a lot of changes in New York but at the end of the day, no coach is going to approach things by limiting Eli. The giants will continue to throw so the question is in what ways? We see what mcadoo does and that means somebody is going to have that Cobb role.

What do you mean "we see what mcadoo does?" He wasn't the OC in GB, he wasn't WR coach, so how does this even make sense?

What's more, "somebody is going to have that Cobb role?" What role? Cobb is a unique talent, and there was no "Cobb role" until Cobb arrived in GB. It's not like the offensive system in which McAdoo was a position coach heavily featured multiple players in this specific role. Prior to Cobb arriving in GB, the 3rd WR was usually just a guy, with no more than 600-700 yards & 6-7 TDs (usually less).

If Jernigan doesn't claim the #2 job, there's nothing about McAdoo arriving to indicate that he will offer significant FF value as a 3rd WR on his NFL team.

 

[bonesman]

Dang, the drafting of OBJ kind of curbs the enthusiasm here

 

[lod01]

It was all crazy speculation. The guy has been around for a while and done nothing and the inaccurate Gomer Manning is still the QB. He can be cut in all formats.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Jernigan was never going to play anywhere but slot. Seems like Beckham effects Randle more.

 

[2323]

Beckham was drafted because they are not sold on Randle

 

[Louche]

He can be cut in all formats.

This is such a dumb thing to say.

 

[lod01]

He can be cut in all formats.

This is such a dumb thing to say.

Go ahead and keep him then.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

He can be cut in all formats.

This is such a dumb thing to say.

The "all formats" part is kind of silly, but in many, it's going to be hard to hold the likely longterm WR4 in a non-elite passing offense with the need to make room for incoming rookies. Jernigan was somewhat borderline even before NY spent a high 1st on a talented WR. Now, even if he can move past Randle, his likely long term upside is WR3 with an aging / declining Eli. Meh.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Beckham was drafted because they are not sold on Randle

i don't think their sold on anybody anymore

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Jernigan was never going to play anywhere but slot. Seems like Beckham effects Randle more.

Not necessarily, because Cruz moves into the slot in 3WR sets.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Jernigan was never going to play anywhere but slot. Seems like Beckham effects Randle more.

Not necessarily, because Cruz moves into the slot in 3WR sets.

with no TE i see a lot of 4 wr sets

 

[Louche]

He can be cut in all formats.

This is such a dumb thing to say.

Go ahead and keep him then.

If you're at a point where you have to make cuts, you're going to cut the lowest ranked player(s) on your team. In some instances that will be Jernigan, in other instances it will not be. But when you write that a player can be cut in all formats you are basically saying that he holds no potential value and he is safe to cut. I would rather have Jernigan than an empty roster spot. Would you?

The phrase is a typical rotoworld blurb phrase that they use on a fringe TE on the roster bubble when a team signs a new receiving TE. But they will usually write "x player can be cut in most formats." There is a pretty big difference between all and most formats. Please keep in mind that there are plenty of people that play in deep leagues on this forum. Some formats are 32 team IDP leagues with 60 man rosters. In those formats you would have to be pretty dumb to cut Jernigan based on them letting Hicks go and drafting OBJ. What did you expect? That they would just let Nicks go and not bring somebody else in?

Am I chasing Jernigan in leagues? No (but maybe I should if people are writing him completely off). I'd happily give a 5th rounder for him. The Giants are expected to play a ton of three wide receiver sets and both Coughlin and Reese have gone out and spoken highly of Jernigan this offseason, so I think it is pretty fair to say that they like him and that they are curious what he will show in 2014. One would expect that Randle plays X, Cruz will split time between Z and Y, and Jernigan is primarily a Y but spends some time outside as well. OBJ was an X in college but projects as a Z or Y in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see how they use him and how quicklyl he adapts to the pros. Manningham is a situational deep threat, Parker plays the slot but is a longshot to make the roster, Holliday will only do returns, and the remaining receivers are likely just camp bodies. Jernigan will get playing time. What he does with that playing time will determine how much playing time he gets. I'm not counting on him for anything, but he is still only 24 years old and he showed some flashes at the end of last season so I can't see that he "can be cut in all formats". I think it speaks more to the formats you play rather than the potential value in Jernigan as a stash player on the end of a 45, 53 or 60 man roster.

 

[Shutout]

He can be cut in all formats.

This is such a dumb thing to say.

Go ahead and keep him then.

If you're at a point where you have to make cuts, you're going to cut the lowest ranked player(s) on your team. In some instances that will be Jernigan, in other instances it will not be. But when you write that a player can be cut in all formats you are basically saying that he holds no potential value and he is safe to cut. I would rather have Jernigan than an empty roster spot. Would you?

The phrase is a typical rotoworld blurb phrase that they use on a fringe TE on the roster bubble when a team signs a new receiving TE. But they will usually write "x player can be cut in most formats." There is a pretty big difference between all and most formats. Please keep in mind that there are plenty of people that play in deep leagues on this forum. Some formats are 32 team IDP leagues with 60 man rosters. In those formats you would have to be pretty dumb to cut Jernigan based on them letting Hicks go and drafting OBJ. What did you expect? That they would just let Nicks go and not bring somebody else in?

Am I chasing Jernigan in leagues? No (but maybe I should if people are writing him completely off). I'd happily give a 5th rounder for him. The Giants are expected to play a ton of three wide receiver sets and both Coughlin and Reese have gone out and spoken highly of Jernigan this offseason, so I think it is pretty fair to say that they like him and that they are curious what he will show in 2014. One would expect that Randle plays X, Cruz will split time between Z and Y, and Jernigan is primarily a Y but spends some time outside as well. OBJ was an X in college but projects as a Z or Y in the NFL, so it will be interesting to see how they use him and how quicklyl he adapts to the pros. Manningham is a situational deep threat, Parker plays the slot but is a longshot to make the roster, Holliday will only do returns, and the remaining receivers are likely just camp bodies. Jernigan will get playing time. What he does with that playing time will determine how much playing time he gets. I'm not counting on him for anything, but he is still only 24 years old and he showed some flashes at the end of last season so I can't see that he "can be cut in all formats". I think it speaks more to the formats you play rather than the potential value in Jernigan as a stash player on the end of a 45, 53 or 60 man roster.

Nice reasoning in the post and the assigning of the players to their positions.

One thing I would add is you also have to look at the new offensive philosophy they brought in as well as the division. That division can put up some serious points right now so I tend to agree with your thought about them using a lot of multiple WR sets just out of necessity. It is pretty easy to envision a couple of games this year in the division that end up 38-35 or something.

 

[Zdravko]

I really like Jerrell and have him on half my teams...but he has no trade value right now, not even a rookie pick in the 35-40 range.

He clearly showed he can play last season, which is not something that can be said to the same degree for his competition, Cruz aside. So if Cruz gets moved permanently to the outside and Randle / Odell battle out the second outside spot, that would leave the slot for Jernigan and make him fantasy-relevant.

If not and Cruz stays in the slot, then you have to choose whether to burn a roster spot, waiting on him to become FA after this year.