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Jerry Porter demands trade (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
If I were the Raiders I'd just keep the guy.... Porter is still a productive WR and hopefully with Brooks or Walter, Moss and he will have a QB who could get them the damn ball.
Leile can't hold Porter's jock.
Either way, I don't see Porter's value dropping at all. If he stays on the Raiders he'll play his butt out so he can have some value, or if he's traded/released he may just end up in a better situation than Oakland with no Moss to contended with.
The guy lost 20 pounds this off season (He played WR last year at 240!) and is still strong and quick.
Buy him low.
Leile can't hold Porter's jock.
Either way, I don't see Porter's value dropping at all. If he stays on the Raiders he'll play his butt out so he can have some value, or if he's traded/released he may just end up in a better situation than Oakland with no Moss to contended with.
The guy lost 20 pounds this off season (He played WR last year at 240!) and is still strong and quick.
Buy him low.
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Quick cap primerPlayer compensation is made up of two types of compensation: salary and bonus. There are a few kinds of bonuses, including sigining, roster, workout, incentive, etc. Every dollar spent on compensation counts against the cap (there are a couple of small exceptions to this rule, but let's not worrya bout them right now). Salary (also called base pay) always counts againt the cap of the same year in which it is paid. A player's '06 salary will always count against his team's '06 cap.
A signing bonus is paid when a player signs his contract - that's why it's called a signing bonus.
From a cap perspective, a signing bonus doesn't all count against the cap in the year in which it is paid. Rather, it's prorated over the life of the deal. If you get $4 million signing bonus in 2006 for a 4-year deal, the cap charge for the bonus is $1 million per year. If you cut the player after year 1, you've only charged off (sometimes called 'amoritized') $1 million of his $4 million bonus, even though you've paid the player all $4 million. The remaining $3 million hasn't been charged to the cap, and it must be, b/c the money has been spent, and every dollar spent on player compensation must count against the cap. So what happens is that the $3 million unamoritized dollars of signing bonus are counted agasint the cap immediately.
Trading a player is the same as cutting him, from a cap perspective. Trading Porter would be something like a $6.5 million cap hit. You calculate cap hit by subtracting base salary in the current year from unamoritized bonus money.
I'm not 100% sure of the answer, but I don't think a team can suit up and play a game when they're over the cap. I think they have to cut players to get under it first. (The ones without signing bonuses.)
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The short answer is simply that NO team CAN go over the Salary Cap. Note that every contract must go through the NFL League Office before the deal can be made official ("deal" meaning trade, release, renegotiation, etc). Presumably, one of the things the league must do at this time is determine whether or not the contract would violate the NFL's Salary Cap. If the deal does violate the cap, then the NFL will reject it.There have been instances in which a team has managed to sneak a cap evading contract by the league. Upon further review, the violations were caught by the league and the respective teams were penalized. Penalties include fines and/or forfeiture of draft picks. In recent history both the Pittsburgh Steelers and San Francisco 49ers have been penalized draft picks, while the 49ers' front office personnel (Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark) were also fined.
Raiders WR Porter sits out practice Wednesday morning
David White
7/26/2006
A Raiders wide receiver with a serious attitude refused to get chatty with the media. Jerry Porter might become the next Randy Moss yet.
Porter did not want to discuss anything with reporters after sitting out practice Wednesday morning -- not his offseason spitting match with Raiders coach Art Shell, his demand to be traded, or why he had ice wrapped around his strained calf but was not limping.
If you want to read all the juicy details, check out today's NFL column by Nancy Gay of the Chronicle (children, cover your eyes). She scored the tell-all interview with Porter when training camp opened Tuesday. He wasn't limping then, either, but somehow managed to hurt himself between practices. Perhaps his wheel busted under the weight of that Million-Dollar Man belt of his.
At least Porter didn't scream at reporters. He left that to Moss, who may not be talking to the local scribes, but is willing to yell in their general direction. It's not just media types, either. Moss told a defensive coach to "Shut up!" during practice. He was joking. Well, maybe.
He hollered for a pass interference flag when Fabian Washington denied him a sideline pass, except there aren't referees around here. He even snapped at some guy wearing a smoothie shirt.
And, I thought it was just me.
http://www.sfgate.com
David White
7/26/2006
A Raiders wide receiver with a serious attitude refused to get chatty with the media. Jerry Porter might become the next Randy Moss yet.
Porter did not want to discuss anything with reporters after sitting out practice Wednesday morning -- not his offseason spitting match with Raiders coach Art Shell, his demand to be traded, or why he had ice wrapped around his strained calf but was not limping.
If you want to read all the juicy details, check out today's NFL column by Nancy Gay of the Chronicle (children, cover your eyes). She scored the tell-all interview with Porter when training camp opened Tuesday. He wasn't limping then, either, but somehow managed to hurt himself between practices. Perhaps his wheel busted under the weight of that Million-Dollar Man belt of his.
At least Porter didn't scream at reporters. He left that to Moss, who may not be talking to the local scribes, but is willing to yell in their general direction. It's not just media types, either. Moss told a defensive coach to "Shut up!" during practice. He was joking. Well, maybe.
He hollered for a pass interference flag when Fabian Washington denied him a sideline pass, except there aren't referees around here. He even snapped at some guy wearing a smoothie shirt.
And, I thought it was just me.
http://www.sfgate.com
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Wow, Porter is freaking ripped.
I really never liked the guy for any of my teams, but if he gets his act together, the fact that he lost that weight shows his dedication. It makes him a good value with Moss getting most of the coverage.
Art Shell just said it was a non-issue (as one would expect him to say) on NFL Total Access. He said that as long as the player works hard and plays well, he does not need to like the player to have each of them do their job, yada, yada.
I really never liked the guy for any of my teams, but if he gets his act together, the fact that he lost that weight shows his dedication. It makes him a good value with Moss getting most of the coverage.
Art Shell just said it was a non-issue (as one would expect him to say) on NFL Total Access. He said that as long as the player works hard and plays well, he does not need to like the player to have each of them do their job, yada, yada.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
It shows his dedication towards losing weight and getting ripped. I'd rather see his dedication towards a desire to step on the field this season and keeping his damn mouth shut.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Lelie has one 1,000 yard season. Porter has zero.Lelie has more receiving yards over the last four seasons than Porter does.
I am not saying Lelie is necessarily better, but it is too close to say that Lelie can't hold Porter's jock.
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wannabee
Footballguy
Raiders | Porter demands to be traded Published Thu Jul 27 1:56:00 a.m. ET 2006
(KFFL) John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter has demanded a trade. The Raiders are shopping him around, but are asking for two first-round picks in return. Porter told the San Francisco Chronicle he hopes the team backs off on their demands. Porter said, "They've asked for two No. 1's for me. Why would you ask for a No. 1 for me, or ask for two No. 1s for me, when I wasn't even a No. 1?"
(KFFL) John Tomase, of the Boston Herald, reports Oakland Raiders WR Jerry Porter has demanded a trade. The Raiders are shopping him around, but are asking for two first-round picks in return. Porter told the San Francisco Chronicle he hopes the team backs off on their demands. Porter said, "They've asked for two No. 1's for me. Why would you ask for a No. 1 for me, or ask for two No. 1s for me, when I wasn't even a No. 1?"
pettifogger
Footballguy
How to make an impression on your new coach:
Suffice to say, this is not the best way to make an impression on the new boss.
Let's say the new guy in charge wants you to stick around after work. The company is in pretty bad shape and the boss needs everyone to put in some extra time, to help get the business pointed in the right direction.
Raiders coach Art Shell, who is demanding effort, commitment and discipline now that he's taking over a franchise that death-spiraled to 13-35 the past three seasons, expected 100 percent attendance at every minicamp, meeting and organized team activity this past offseason.
He also hoped star employees -- Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, for instance -- would work out religiously at the facility, to set a positive tone. To be the examples.
From the start, Porter was adamant that wasn't going to happen.
Yes, believe what you have heard. There is a huge rift between Porter, the Raiders' sometimes spectacular, often annoying and always baffling wide receiver, and Shell, the Hall of Fame tackle and coach who couldn't care less if Porter has a nice spread this month in "Dubs Magazine."
On Tuesday, Porter spelled it out succinctly. He and Shell aren't on the same page.
Porter wants to be traded.
"Yes. Absolutely. I've told them that," Porter said on the team's first day of practice at training camp in Napa. Which, coincidentally, did not include Porter during the afternoon workout because of what Shell described as a strained calf muscle.
That's right. Day 1.
What a slap in the face to Shell. To owner Al Davis -- who handed Porter a $13 million signing bonus in 2005 to re-sign with the team -- and everyone else in Silver and Black.
How did it get so bad?
Shortly after Shell was hired Feb. 13, a reprise by Davis in the hope his moribund franchise might regain some semblance of respectability, Porter was summoned into the new boss' office for a get-to-know-you meeting.
As Porter recalls it, the conclave -- with wide receivers coach Fred Biletnikoff present -- went something like this:
"They were asking me what I was going to do as far as the offseason program goes," said Porter, who apparently already was bristling at Shell's take-charge approach. "And I told them, 'I just bought a place in Florida, so I'm going to go down to Florida and work with a trainer.' "
Porter continued. "And this is Freddie B talking. He said, 'What's the matter, stud, you're not gonna stay here for the program?' And I'm saying, 'Nah, I've got to get away and charge my batteries.'
"And (Biletnikoff) says, 'Well, your battery's not charged?'
"And I'm like, 'No.' "
From here, as Porter remembers it, the dialogue grew more heated.
Biletnikoff: "Your batteries aren't already charged?"
Porter: "No, they're not."
Biletnikoff: "So, what's the problem?"
Porter: "Well, for one thing, I don't like the way things are going around here."
At that point, Porter recalls, the head coach intervened.
"And then Art chimes in, 'Who the f -- do you think you are?' " Porter recalled. "And then it starts from there. Art says, 'Who ... do you think you're talking to?'
"And that was that." Porter said.
Yup. That would do it.
Later Tuesday, Shell did not dispute Porter's recollection of their meeting, but he definitely had a response.
"The culture is changing," Shell said firmly, "and everybody has been on board and trying to get involved in the process of winning football games, and getting in here, working. You can't have inmates running the asylum.
"That's not gonna be. Not under me, and 99.9 percent of the players here feel that way. They want direction. We're going to give them direction. And I'm not going to back down off of that.
"A couple of the inmates have been trying to run the doggone culture around here. They've been running the program. And that's not gonna be anymore. I'm the head coach. I'm the guy in charge."
Porter, who tends to tease with his talent, and obliterate good will with his attitude, obviously has a problem with that.
But why in the heck would you say something so inflammatory -- "I don't like the way things are going around here" -- to a new head coach? What was he thinking?
"I just didn't. I'm not going to sit here and bring those issues up because I just don't like what (the issues) were about," said Porter, when asked to be more specific about why he's so unhappy. "But nothing can be done about it. I'm not the GM. So we had our little rift.
"Ever since then, (Shell) hasn't said anything to me, I haven't said anything to him."
Obviously, this can't continue.
Senior assistant Michael Lombardi, who essentially runs the football operation, would not comment. The Raiders really are stuck. Cutting Porter would be so satisfying to a lot of folks in the organization, but his salary-cap acceleration, $6.45 million toward the 2007 total, would be a killer.
Trading him also would cost the team plenty.
And really, where are the takers? It's not as if the Raiders haven't tried to move him before.
To his credit, Porter -- who relayed his message while showing off his perfect abs and wearing a faux gold-and-diamond-encrusted boxer's title belt adorned with 10-inch dollar signs -- did appear to work his butt off since the Raiders finished 4-12 in 2005. He attended the mandatory workouts and camps, dropped 23 pounds, and still has that size, speed and chiseled body that reminds you of Terrell Owens.
Porter doesn't have the cred, or the numbers, to be the royal pain Owens can be and force the issue with a stubborn owner.
In six NFL seasons, Porter has caught 239 passes for 24 touchdowns and 3,215 yards. He has led the Raiders in receiving yards only once, in 2004, with 998 yards.
A second-round pick out of West Virginia in 2000, he has not made a Pro Bowl team.
"They've asked for two No. 1's for me (in a trade)," Porter said his agent told him. "Why ... would you ask for a No. 1 for me, or ask for two No. 1s for me, when I wasn't even a No. 1?"
Maybe Porter answered his own question. And if he's watching from the Raiders' bench in September, he'll have plenty of time to ponder how all of this might have happened.
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E-mail Nancy Gay at ngay@sfchronicle.com.
Brink of stardom
Jerry Porter's statistics:
Year G Rec Yards TD
2000 12 1 6 0
2001 15 19 220 0
2002 16 51 688 9
2003 10 28 361 1
2004 16 64 998 9
2005 16 76 942 5
Total 85 239 3,215 24
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Suffice to say, this is not the best way to make an impression on the new boss.
Let's say the new guy in charge wants you to stick around after work. The company is in pretty bad shape and the boss needs everyone to put in some extra time, to help get the business pointed in the right direction.
Raiders coach Art Shell, who is demanding effort, commitment and discipline now that he's taking over a franchise that death-spiraled to 13-35 the past three seasons, expected 100 percent attendance at every minicamp, meeting and organized team activity this past offseason.
He also hoped star employees -- Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, for instance -- would work out religiously at the facility, to set a positive tone. To be the examples.
From the start, Porter was adamant that wasn't going to happen.
Yes, believe what you have heard. There is a huge rift between Porter, the Raiders' sometimes spectacular, often annoying and always baffling wide receiver, and Shell, the Hall of Fame tackle and coach who couldn't care less if Porter has a nice spread this month in "Dubs Magazine."
On Tuesday, Porter spelled it out succinctly. He and Shell aren't on the same page.
Porter wants to be traded.
"Yes. Absolutely. I've told them that," Porter said on the team's first day of practice at training camp in Napa. Which, coincidentally, did not include Porter during the afternoon workout because of what Shell described as a strained calf muscle.
That's right. Day 1.
What a slap in the face to Shell. To owner Al Davis -- who handed Porter a $13 million signing bonus in 2005 to re-sign with the team -- and everyone else in Silver and Black.
How did it get so bad?
Shortly after Shell was hired Feb. 13, a reprise by Davis in the hope his moribund franchise might regain some semblance of respectability, Porter was summoned into the new boss' office for a get-to-know-you meeting.
As Porter recalls it, the conclave -- with wide receivers coach Fred Biletnikoff present -- went something like this:
"They were asking me what I was going to do as far as the offseason program goes," said Porter, who apparently already was bristling at Shell's take-charge approach. "And I told them, 'I just bought a place in Florida, so I'm going to go down to Florida and work with a trainer.' "
Porter continued. "And this is Freddie B talking. He said, 'What's the matter, stud, you're not gonna stay here for the program?' And I'm saying, 'Nah, I've got to get away and charge my batteries.'
"And (Biletnikoff) says, 'Well, your battery's not charged?'
"And I'm like, 'No.' "
From here, as Porter remembers it, the dialogue grew more heated.
Biletnikoff: "Your batteries aren't already charged?"
Porter: "No, they're not."
Biletnikoff: "So, what's the problem?"
Porter: "Well, for one thing, I don't like the way things are going around here."
At that point, Porter recalls, the head coach intervened.
"And then Art chimes in, 'Who the f -- do you think you are?' " Porter recalled. "And then it starts from there. Art says, 'Who ... do you think you're talking to?'
"And that was that." Porter said.
Yup. That would do it.
Later Tuesday, Shell did not dispute Porter's recollection of their meeting, but he definitely had a response.
"The culture is changing," Shell said firmly, "and everybody has been on board and trying to get involved in the process of winning football games, and getting in here, working. You can't have inmates running the asylum.
"That's not gonna be. Not under me, and 99.9 percent of the players here feel that way. They want direction. We're going to give them direction. And I'm not going to back down off of that.
"A couple of the inmates have been trying to run the doggone culture around here. They've been running the program. And that's not gonna be anymore. I'm the head coach. I'm the guy in charge."
Porter, who tends to tease with his talent, and obliterate good will with his attitude, obviously has a problem with that.
But why in the heck would you say something so inflammatory -- "I don't like the way things are going around here" -- to a new head coach? What was he thinking?
"I just didn't. I'm not going to sit here and bring those issues up because I just don't like what (the issues) were about," said Porter, when asked to be more specific about why he's so unhappy. "But nothing can be done about it. I'm not the GM. So we had our little rift.
"Ever since then, (Shell) hasn't said anything to me, I haven't said anything to him."
Obviously, this can't continue.
Senior assistant Michael Lombardi, who essentially runs the football operation, would not comment. The Raiders really are stuck. Cutting Porter would be so satisfying to a lot of folks in the organization, but his salary-cap acceleration, $6.45 million toward the 2007 total, would be a killer.
Trading him also would cost the team plenty.
And really, where are the takers? It's not as if the Raiders haven't tried to move him before.
To his credit, Porter -- who relayed his message while showing off his perfect abs and wearing a faux gold-and-diamond-encrusted boxer's title belt adorned with 10-inch dollar signs -- did appear to work his butt off since the Raiders finished 4-12 in 2005. He attended the mandatory workouts and camps, dropped 23 pounds, and still has that size, speed and chiseled body that reminds you of Terrell Owens.
Porter doesn't have the cred, or the numbers, to be the royal pain Owens can be and force the issue with a stubborn owner.
In six NFL seasons, Porter has caught 239 passes for 24 touchdowns and 3,215 yards. He has led the Raiders in receiving yards only once, in 2004, with 998 yards.
A second-round pick out of West Virginia in 2000, he has not made a Pro Bowl team.
"They've asked for two No. 1's for me (in a trade)," Porter said his agent told him. "Why ... would you ask for a No. 1 for me, or ask for two No. 1s for me, when I wasn't even a No. 1?"
Maybe Porter answered his own question. And if he's watching from the Raiders' bench in September, he'll have plenty of time to ponder how all of this might have happened.
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E-mail Nancy Gay at ngay@sfchronicle.com.
Brink of stardom
Jerry Porter's statistics:
Year G Rec Yards TD
2000 12 1 6 0
2001 15 19 220 0
2002 16 51 688 9
2003 10 28 361 1
2004 16 64 998 9
2005 16 76 942 5
Total 85 239 3,215 24
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URL: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file...SPG6RK5L0N1.DTL
